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** Isabelle's line about neurotypicals forcing their views on others can sting quite a bit for neurodivergent people who have gone through being pushed aside.
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* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[spoiler: still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]
* For the autistic players, Isabelle's remarks about neurotypicals thinking they know best, or her discussion about the mask, may cut deep.

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* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[spoiler: still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]
* For the autistic players, Isabelle's remarks about neurotypicals thinking they know best, or her discussion about the mask, may cut deep.
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** YMMV, but what's worse is that [[spoiler:all of River's efforts to make Johnny remember the very first time they met, it became [[ShootTheShaggyDog completely pointless]] when all the memories were remade to help Johnny's desire to go to the moon. To those that wish that Johnny at least remembered his true memories felt like a KickTheDog moment in her part.]]
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* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[spoiler: still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]

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* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[spoiler: still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]]]
* For the autistic players, Isabelle's remarks about neurotypicals thinking they know best, or her discussion about the mask, may cut deep.
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* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]

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* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[still [[spoiler: still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]
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-->'''Johnny''': I don't care.

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-->'''Johnny''': I don't care.care.
* It's easy to forget this given the backwards linear path of the game, but the house was finished being built [[spoiler: only after River died.]] Despite that, Johnny [[still keeps all the clocks silent, because the ticking bothered River.]]
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** Or he's just [[spoiler: addicted to pills and is going through withdrawals.]]

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** Or he's just [[spoiler: addicted to pills and is going through withdrawals.]]]] Very easily that's just as bad if not worse.
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* And there's a major one before the player even ''sees'' River, when Johnny is sitting at their half-finished house on the bluffs and having a dramatic conversation with Izzy. When she criticizes his decision to lie to River for her own health, his retort is heartbreaking.

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* And there's a major one before the player even ''sees'' River, when Johnny is sitting at their half-finished house on the bluffs and having a dramatic conversation with Izzy. When she criticizes his decision to lie to River for her own health, his retort is heartbreaking.heartbreaking.
-->'''Johnny''': Do you think this is all about her? What about me, Isabelle? After all these years, am I not allowed to be selfish even once? ...I don't want to be alone, Isabelle. I'm not going to let her die.
-->'''Izzy''': That's arrogant.
-->'''Johnny''': I don't care.
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** Particularly when you realise she didn't actually want him to [[spoiler: throw the hackey-sack away. She was trying to use it, along with the concept of "a far distance" (as the moon is far away) to try and trigger his memories. He didn't understand her action and she lost a memento of their first meeting as a result.]]
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-->[[spoiler: '''River:''' But what if one of us moves or gets lost?]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' Then we'll meet on the moon!]]

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-->[[spoiler: '''River:''' But what '''River''': What if one of us moves or gets you forget... Or get lost?]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' '''Johnny''': Then we'll meet we can always regroup [[WhamLine on the moon!]]moon]], silly!]]
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-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' Then we'll meet on the moon!]]

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-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' Then we'll meet on the moon!]]moon!]]
* And there's a major one before the player even ''sees'' River, when Johnny is sitting at their half-finished house on the bluffs and having a dramatic conversation with Izzy. When she criticizes his decision to lie to River for her own health, his retort is heartbreaking.

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** Or he's just [[spoiler: addicted to pills and is going through withdrawals.]]



* The hacky-sack. It was given to River by Johnny [[spoiler: when they first met, but Johnny no longer remembers the event. When he reveals to River the reason he approached her during "their first meeting", she asks him to throw away the hacky-sack. It was probably around then that she realized that he had forgotten about their REAL first meeting.]] It makes everything afterwards so much bitterer in hindsight.

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* The hacky-sack.hackey-sack. It was given to River by Johnny [[spoiler: when they first met, but Johnny no longer remembers the event. When he reveals to River the reason he approached her during "their first meeting", she asks him to throw away the hacky-sack.hackey-sack. It was probably around then that she realized that he had forgotten about their REAL first meeting.]] It makes everything afterwards so much bitterer more bitter in hindsight.
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* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to [[spoiler:get the most out of life before he dies...]]

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* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous ridiculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to [[spoiler:get the most out of life before he dies...]]
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* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to get the most out of life before he dies...

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* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to get [[spoiler:get the most out of life before he dies...]]
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** He DID remember his promise! [[spoiler: He still remembered to go to the moon. He just forgot why.]]



-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' Then we'll meet on the moon!]]

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-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' Then we'll meet on the moon!]]
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** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise, along with her. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed. On top of that, this adds a huge dose of FridgeBrilliance to what she said at the movies - that she believed that they were watching it together without being physically near each other, just as she'd probably done the next year at the carnival]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...

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** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise, along with her. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed. On top of that, this adds a huge dose of FridgeBrilliance to what she said at the movies - that she believed that they were watching it together without being physically near each other, [[HarsherInHindsight just as she'd probably done the next year at the carnival]].carnival]]]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...
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* When Johnny is discussing what he likes about River, his only attraction to her is how she is strange and different from everyone else. And all he knows is that he WANTS to be different, but he can't put why he feels so exactly into words. [[spoiler: At this point he has lost his memories of his twin brother Joey, but his mother still calls him by that name and he most likely subconsciously wanted to stand out and not be seen as a replacement.]] Perhaps even worse is how different this "first meeting" of his with River is from their real first meeting.

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* When Johnny is discussing what he likes about River, his only attraction to her is how she is strange and different from everyone else. And all he knows is that he WANTS to be different, but he can't put why he feels so exactly into words. [[spoiler: At this point he has lost his memories of his twin brother Joey, but his mother still calls him by that name and he most likely subconsciously wanted to stand out and not be seen as a replacement.]] Perhaps even worse is how different this "first meeting" of his with River is from their real first meeting.meeting.
* TheReveal, when you discover Johnny and River's [[spoiler: true first meeting]], is so beautiful, tragic, bittersweet, adorable and magical, it would probably be the first point you start crying if you had been holding back tears before this.
-->[[spoiler: '''River:''' But what if one of us moves or gets lost?]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Johnny:''' Then we'll meet on the moon!]]
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* The hacky-sack. It was given to River by Johnny [[spoiler: when they first met, but Johnny no longer remembers the event. When he reveals to River the reason he approached her during "their first meeting", she asks him to throw away the hacky-sack. It was probably around then that she realized that he had forgotten about their REAL first meeting.]] It makes everything afterwards so much bitterer in hindsight.

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* The hacky-sack. It was given to River by Johnny [[spoiler: when they first met, but Johnny no longer remembers the event. When he reveals to River the reason he approached her during "their first meeting", she asks him to throw away the hacky-sack. It was probably around then that she realized that he had forgotten about their REAL first meeting.]] It makes everything afterwards so much bitterer in hindsight.hindsight.
*When Johnny is discussing what he likes about River, his only attraction to her is how she is strange and different from everyone else. And all he knows is that he WANTS to be different, but he can't put why he feels so exactly into words. [[spoiler: At this point he has lost his memories of his twin brother Joey, but his mother still calls him by that name and he most likely subconsciously wanted to stand out and not be seen as a replacement.]] Perhaps even worse is how different this "first meeting" of his with River is from their real first meeting.
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* Why does River care so much for Anya, [[spoiler: a lighthouse of all things, so much that she is willing to die instead of letting it be alone. Because when they first met, River called all the stars lighthouses that could never reach out to anyone and were always alone, but that one day she wanted to befriend one of them. The implication being that she herself no longer wanted to be alone either.]] And then you can demolish boxes of tissues when you realize exactly why she asked what she did.

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* Why does River care so much for Anya, [[spoiler: a lighthouse of all things, so much that she is willing to die instead of letting it be alone. Because when they first met, River called all the stars lighthouses that could never reach out to anyone and were always alone, but that one day she wanted to befriend one of them. The implication being that she herself no longer wanted to be alone either.]] And then you can demolish boxes of tissues when you realize exactly why she asked what she did.did.
* The hacky-sack. It was given to River by Johnny [[spoiler: when they first met, but Johnny no longer remembers the event. When he reveals to River the reason he approached her during "their first meeting", she asks him to throw away the hacky-sack. It was probably around then that she realized that he had forgotten about their REAL first meeting.]] It makes everything afterwards so much bitterer in hindsight.
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* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to get the most out of life before he dies...

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* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to get the most out of life before he dies...dies...
*Why does River care so much for Anya, [[spoiler: a lighthouse of all things, so much that she is willing to die instead of letting it be alone. Because when they first met, River called all the stars lighthouses that could never reach out to anyone and were always alone, but that one day she wanted to befriend one of them. The implication being that she herself no longer wanted to be alone either.]] And then you can demolish boxes of tissues when you realize exactly why she asked what she did.
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** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise, along with her. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed. On top of that, this adds a huge dose of FridgeBrilliance to what she said at the movies - that she believed that they were watching it together without being physically near each other]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...

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** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise, along with her. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed. On top of that, this adds a huge dose of FridgeBrilliance to what she said at the movies - that she believed that they were watching it together without being physically near each other]].other, just as she'd probably done the next year at the carnival]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...
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** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...

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** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise. promise, along with her. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed]].suppressed. On top of that, this adds a huge dose of FridgeBrilliance to what she said at the movies - that she believed that they were watching it together without being physically near each other]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...

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* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him in those final moments of his life. Maybe. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy and doing what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.

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* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils fulfills his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him in those final moments of his life. Maybe. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy and doing what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.pieces.
** The reason why is fairly clear - [[spoiler: River was never aware of WHY Johnny forgot his promise. Her condition was the reason she never asked outright, but she was never aware of what had happened to his brother, because by the time they reunited, he'd had that memory suppressed]]. All that grief because of one tragic event...
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* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him in those final moments of his life. Maybe. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy and doing what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.

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* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him in those final moments of his life. Maybe. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy and doing what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.pieces.
* The implication during TheStinger that [[spoiler: Neil might be dying.]] It becomes even MORE depressing when you [[FridgeHorror realize]] why he acts immature, mean, jerkish, and does stupid riculous things. (like riding a horse backwards) He's trying to get the most out of life before he dies...
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** [[spoiler: Alternate!River reaches out her hand to Alternate!Johnny, and Johnny turns around and takes her hand.]] Everything you've been doing for the past 5 hours comes to this point. And you just break down at that moment. [[spoiler: And then the montage of Johnny's new memories rolls, of his wedding to Dream!River, building their house, growing old together, this time with Joey along with them.]] At this point you are consumed by grief and joy and hope and despair and guilt and so much relief that you just want to find the people you love and hold them tight.

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** [[spoiler: Alternate!River reaches out her hand to Alternate!Johnny, and Johnny turns around and takes her hand.]] Everything you've been doing for the past 5 hours comes to this point. And you just break down at that moment. [[spoiler: And then the montage of Johnny's new memories rolls, of his wedding to Dream!River, Alternate!River, building their house, growing old together, this time with Joey along with them.]] At this point you are consumed by grief and joy and hope and despair and guilt and so much relief that you just want to find the people you love and hold them tight.
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** [[spoiler: Dream!River reaches out her hand to Dream!Johnny, and Johnny turns around and takes her hand.]] Everything you've been doing for the past 5 hours comes to this point. And you just break down. [[spoiler: And then the montage of Johnny's new memories rolls, of his wedding to Dream!River, building their house, growing old together, this time with Joey along with them.]] At this point you are consumed by grief and joy and hope and despair and guilt and so much relief that you just want to find the people you love and hold them tight.

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** [[spoiler: Dream!River Alternate!River reaches out her hand to Dream!Johnny, Alternate!Johnny, and Johnny turns around and takes her hand.]] Everything you've been doing for the past 5 hours comes to this point. And you just break down.down at that moment. [[spoiler: And then the montage of Johnny's new memories rolls, of his wedding to Dream!River, building their house, growing old together, this time with Joey along with them.]] At this point you are consumed by grief and joy and hope and despair and guilt and so much relief that you just want to find the people you love and hold them tight.
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* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him. Maybe. In those final moments of his life. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy thinking he did what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.

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* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him.him in those final moments of his life. Maybe. In those final moments of his life. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy thinking he did and doing what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.
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* The whole game is one long one, but the ending scene takes the cake. Other than the scene where Everything's Alright plays.

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* The whole game is one long one, but the ending scene takes the cake. Other than the scene where Everything's Alright plays.plays.
** [[spoiler: Dream!River reaches out her hand to Dream!Johnny, and Johnny turns around and takes her hand.]] Everything you've been doing for the past 5 hours comes to this point. And you just break down. [[spoiler: And then the montage of Johnny's new memories rolls, of his wedding to Dream!River, building their house, growing old together, this time with Joey along with them.]] At this point you are consumed by grief and joy and hope and despair and guilt and so much relief that you just want to find the people you love and hold them tight.
* When you realize that River made those paper rabbits [[spoiler: to remind Johnny that they are supposed to meet on the moon if they ever get separated. Only Johnny can't remember that memory because of the beta blockers. But River doesn't tell him of their very first meeting. Why? Who knows. Maybe because she didn't want to remind Johnny of his tragic past. Maybe her Asperger's prevented her from fully communicating with him.]] All we know is that she diligently and quietly folded those rabbits, trusting him to understand what she meant. And then she died. [[spoiler: But Johnny finally fulfils his promise before he died. Maybe. In a way. It was artificially implanted, but it was still real to him. Maybe. In those final moments of his life. The only comfort you can take away is that he died happy thinking he did what he promised, only he didn't really do it.]] When you realize all this it just breaks your heart into pieces.

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* The whole game is one long one, but the ending scene takes the cake.
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* The whole game is one long one, but the ending scene takes the cake.
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