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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some -- maybe most -- likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then were abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.

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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights {{Blood Knight}}s but some -- maybe most -- likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then were abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.
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** Kids triggering his episodes could well have a lot to do with an earlier event also: the little boy from ''Iron Man 2'', whom Vanko's drone nearly blew away because he'd been ''wearing an Iron Man mask''. How many more kids have been wearing those, since the Chitauri invasion? How many times has he dreamed about ''not'' diving to save one quickly enough?
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* Maya talking to Pepper in the hotel room, and she tells the story of a man who built rockets for the Nazis. At that point, it's just a sad story, but by the end of the film it's absolutely heart-breaking, because the last three sentences describe Maya so well.

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* Maya talking to Pepper in the hotel room, and she tells the story of a man who built rockets for the Nazis. At that point, it's just a sad story, but by the end of the film it's absolutely heart-breaking, because the last three sentences describe Maya so well. And come to think of it, she might be describing Aldrich Killian as well.



* It takes a while to register due to how funny the reveal is, but [[spoiler:Trevor is a guy who was entirely manipulated by Killian through his addictions, and never had any idea he was participating in real events. And then he ends up going to jail for it, though at least he also has a sizable fanbase. And on a meta level, he's telling this to Robert Downey Jr., a man who knows full well how an addiction can control your life.]]

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* It takes a while to register due to how funny the reveal is, but [[spoiler:Trevor is a guy who Slattery was entirely manipulated by Killian through his addictions, and never had any idea he was participating in real events. And then he ends up going to jail for it, though at least he also has a sizable fanbase. And on a meta level, he's telling this to Robert Downey Jr., a man who knows full well how an addiction can control your life.]]
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** Which only happened because Tony was ''already'' on that dark path, which would lead to his being an UnwittingPawn in creating advanced weapons that would be used to kill American soldiers. He was only set back on the right path, ironically, by being betrayed by his business partner and family friend, Obadiah Stane.
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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some -- maybe most -- likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.

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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some -- maybe most -- likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then were abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis Extremis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.
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*** Tony's PTSD, end of story. RobertDowneyJr takes Tony's [[IronWoobie Iron Woobieness]] UpToEleven.

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*** Tony's PTSD, end of story. RobertDowneyJr Creator/RobertDowneyJr takes Tony's [[IronWoobie Iron Woobieness]] UpToEleven.
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* It takes a while to register due to how funny the reveal is, but [[spoiler:Trevor is a guy who was entirely manipulated by Killian through his addictions, and never had any idea he was participating in real events. And then he ends up going to jail for it, though at least he also has a sizable fanbase.]]

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* It takes a while to register due to how funny the reveal is, but [[spoiler:Trevor is a guy who was entirely manipulated by Killian through his addictions, and never had any idea he was participating in real events. And then he ends up going to jail for it, though at least he also has a sizable fanbase. And on a meta level, he's telling this to Robert Downey Jr., a man who knows full well how an addiction can control your life.]]
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-->'''Maya''': Fun fact: before he built rockets for the Nazis, the idealistic Werner von Braun dreamed of space travel. He star-gazed. Do you know what he said when the first V2 hit London? 'The rocket performed perfectly, it just landed on the wrong planet.' See we all begin wide-eyed, pure science. And then the ego steps in, the obsession. And you look up, you're a long way from shore.

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-->'''Maya''': Fun fact: before he built rockets for the Nazis, the idealistic Werner von Braun dreamed of space travel. He star-gazed. Do you know what he said when the first V2 hit London? 'The rocket performed perfectly, it just landed on the wrong planet.' See we all begin wide-eyed, pure science. And then the ego steps in, the obsession. And you look up, you're a long way from shore.shore.
* It takes a while to register due to how funny the reveal is, but [[spoiler:Trevor is a guy who was entirely manipulated by Killian through his addictions, and never had any idea he was participating in real events. And then he ends up going to jail for it, though at least he also has a sizable fanbase.]]
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* The "bombing" site in Tennessee, loaded with memorials and flowers. When Tony tells that soldier's mother that her son didn't kill himself (and five other soldiers) that day, even if he can't tell her what really happened, it's really hard in a totally banal, real-world way.

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* The "bombing" site in Tennessee, loaded with memorials and flowers. When Tony tells that soldier's mother that her son didn't kill himself (and five other soldiers) people) that day, even if he can't tell her what really happened, it's really hard in a totally banal, real-world way.



-->'''Maya''': Fun fact; before he built rockets for the Nazis, the idealistic Werner von Braun dreamed of space travel, he star gazed. Do you know what he said when the first V2 hit London? ‘The rocket performed perfectly, it just landed on the wrong planet.’ See we all begin wide-eyed, pure science. And then the ego steps in, the obsession. And you look up, you’re a long way from shore.

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-->'''Maya''': Fun fact; fact: before he built rockets for the Nazis, the idealistic Werner von Braun dreamed of space travel, he star gazed. travel. He star-gazed. Do you know what he said when the first V2 hit London? ‘The 'The rocket performed perfectly, it just landed on the wrong planet.' See we all begin wide-eyed, pure science. And then the ego steps in, the obsession. And you look up, you’re you're a long way from shore.
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** What makes this especially hard is that they are shown to have an innocent, almost childlike, artificial intelligence, to see them suffering is in such a brutal manner heartbreaking.
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* Yinsen's brief appearance, considering what his eventual fate will be.

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* Yinsen's brief appearance, considering what his eventual fate [[DeathByOriginStory eventual]] [[HeroicSacrifice fate]] will be.
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* Tony signing his fan's drawing: "[[spoiler: HELP ME, ERIN!!]]"

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* Tony signing his fan's drawing: "[[spoiler: ERIN HELP ME, ERIN!!]]"ME!!]]"
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* The realisation that, if Tony hadn't been such a jerk back then, the entire plot could have been avoided. Imagine what he, Killian and Maya could have done together if he hadn't left Maya with an incomplete formula, if he'd met Killian on the roof that night. All that potential is gone because of one night that put two people on another, darker, path.

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* The realisation that, if Tony hadn't been such a jerk back then, the entire plot could have been avoided. Imagine what he, Killian and Maya could have done together if he hadn't left Maya with an incomplete formula, if he'd met Killian on the roof that night. All that potential is gone because of one night that put two people on another, darker, path.path.
* Maya talking to Pepper in the hotel room, and she tells the story of a man who built rockets for the Nazis. At that point, it's just a sad story, but by the end of the film it's absolutely heart-breaking, because the last three sentences describe Maya so well.
-->'''Maya''': Fun fact; before he built rockets for the Nazis, the idealistic Werner von Braun dreamed of space travel, he star gazed. Do you know what he said when the first V2 hit London? ‘The rocket performed perfectly, it just landed on the wrong planet.’ See we all begin wide-eyed, pure science. And then the ego steps in, the obsession. And you look up, you’re a long way from shore.

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** Also his reaction to [[spoiler: seeing the hologram of Pepper being tortured with the Extremis virus]]. Never has Tony seemed so helpless. He's nearly crying, and has to look away.

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** Also his And it gets worse when you think about how this is what Tony has been afraid of ''the entire film''. From [[spoiler: yelling at Pepper that he couldn't protect her outside the mansion, to building ''forty-two suits'' that are calibrated to protect her as well as him]] he's tried everything to keep her safe and ''still failed''. [[spoiler: Thank goodness it was a DisneyDeath.]]
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reaction to [[spoiler: seeing the hologram of Pepper being tortured with the Extremis virus]]. Never has Tony seemed so helpless. He's nearly crying, and has to look away.


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* Seeing Tony suffering from PTSD is just heart-wrenching overall. The insufferably confident JerkWithAHeartOfGold is breaking down and it's just...it's painful to watch.
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* The lack of a stinger for a new movie, No forshadowing, No reveals, It's a small thing, but it reminds you, the Avengers was the Climax of the MarvelCinematicUniverse and now we're seeing it wrap up loose ends. Farewell, You will be missed.
** Doubtful, considering that there's an Avengers 2 in the mix...
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** Doubtful, considering that there's an Avengers 2 in the mix...

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** Doubtful, considering that there's an Avengers 2 in the mix...mix...
* Tony's narration at the end, as Maya and Killian are shown how they were at the beginning: full of hope and wanting to help people.
-->'''Tony:''' You start with something pure. Something exciting. Then come the mistakes. The compromises.
* The realisation that, if Tony hadn't been such a jerk back then, the entire plot could have been avoided. Imagine what he, Killian and Maya could have done together if he hadn't left Maya with an incomplete formula, if he'd met Killian on the roof that night. All that potential is gone because of one night that put two people on another, darker, path.
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* The lack of a stinger for a new movie, No forshadowing, No reveals, It's a small thing, but it reminds you, the Avengers was the Climax of the MarvelCinematicUniverse and now we're seeing it wrap up loose ends. Farewell, You will be missed.

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* The lack of a stinger for a new movie, No forshadowing, No reveals, It's a small thing, but it reminds you, the Avengers was the Climax of the MarvelCinematicUniverse and now we're seeing it wrap up loose ends. Farewell, You will be missed.missed.
** Doubtful, considering that there's an Avengers 2 in the mix...
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* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming, it's still a little sad.

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* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming, it's still a little sad.sad.
* The lack of a stinger for a new movie, No forshadowing, No reveals, It's a small thing, but it reminds you, the Avengers was the Climax of the MarvelCinematicUniverse and now we're seeing it wrap up loose ends. Farewell, You will be missed.
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* The reason [[spoiler: Vice President Rodriguez became a traitor: He was working with Killian so that he could have his missing daughter's leg regenerated via Extremis.]]
* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.

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* The reason [[spoiler: Vice President Rodriguez became a traitor: He was working with Killian so that he could have his missing daughter's missing leg regenerated via Extremis.]]
* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some -- maybe most -- likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.
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*** Tony's PTSD, end of story. RobertDowneyJr takes Tony's [[IronWoobie Iron Woobieness]] UpToEleven.

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* The reason [[spoiler: the Vice President became a traitor]]

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* The reason [[spoiler: the Vice President Rodriguez became a traitor]]traitor: He was working with Killian so that he could have his missing daughter's leg regenerated via Extremis.]]



* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming, it's little sad. After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that is really cold.
::Well they are just machines controlled by JARVIS. Really expensive machines, but machines nontheless

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* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming, it's still a little sad. After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that is really cold.
::Well they are just machines controlled by JARVIS. Really expensive machines, but machines nontheless
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* The reason [[spoiler: the Vice President became a traitor]]



* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming, it's little sad. After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that is really cold.

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* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming, it's little sad. After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that is really cold.cold.
::Well they are just machines controlled by JARVIS. Really expensive machines, but machines nontheless

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* [[spoiler: Killian shooting Maya right in front of Tony, just when she'd decided to pull a HighHeelFaceTurn.]]



* Tony Signing his fan's drawing: "[[spoiler: HELP ME, ERIN!!]]"

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--> '''JARVIS''': ''[voice slowing down]'' I think I need to sleep for a while, sir...



--> '''JARVIS''': ''[voice slowing down]'' I think I need to sleep for a while, sir...



* The flashback in the beginning where we first meet Maya and Aldrich. They both seem so hopeful. Maya dreaming of creating a universal cure for humanity, Aldirch is an adoring fan of Tony's who wants to create a think tank to take science to new levels. [[spoiler: Cut to over a decade later Maya has compromised her ethics in her obsession to perfecting Extremis and seems broken. And Aldrich is driven to acquire power and strength and is willing to do anything and everything to erase the sad little man waiting on top of a rooftop on New Years Eve.]]

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* The flashback in the beginning where we first meet Maya and Aldrich. They both seem so hopeful. Maya dreaming dreams of creating a universal cure for humanity, Aldirch is an adoring fan of Tony's who wants to create a think tank to take science to new levels. [[spoiler: Cut to over a decade later Maya has compromised her ethics in her obsession to perfecting Extremis and seems broken. And Aldrich is driven to acquire power and strength and is willing to do anything and everything to erase the sad little man waiting on top of a rooftop on New Years Eve.]]



** And the bit before that, with Tony's visible nightmare. This is no CatapultNightmare, oh no. This is ''pain.''

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** And the The bit before that, that with Tony's visible nightmare. This is no CatapultNightmare, oh no. This is ''pain.''



* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them, basically in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.

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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them, basically them. They were in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.



** The fact that so many of Tony's PTSD attacks are triggered in the presence of children, period, is a tearjerker. He's obviously still having a really hard time with everything he's gone through, but all these kids see (with the exception of maybe Harley) is a brave adventure hero with cool robot suits. Adjusting to having a young fanbase (for a foul-mouthed, cheeky playboy like Tony) would be hard enough even without the enormity of what happened in New York. The innocent question about how he escaped the wormhole sets him off, and it must be unbearably hard on Tony to be confronted with the memory of what he's been through that way. It's very easy to imagine something similar happening to any other person with PTSD who's now being hailed as a hero, subjected to clueless questions and adulation for their part in something they haven't even fully processed yet.
* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was ment to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming. I couldn't help but find the whole scene a little sad (maybe not crying waterfalls sad, but sad). After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that? Dude, that seems just a little cold to me.

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** The fact that so many of Tony's PTSD attacks are triggered in the presence of children, period, is a tearjerker. He's obviously still having a really hard time with everything he's gone through, but all these kids see (with the exception of maybe Harley) is a brave adventure hero with cool robot suits. Adjusting to having a young fanbase (for a foul-mouthed, cheeky playboy like Tony) would be hard enough even without the enormity of what happened in New York. The innocent question about how he escaped the wormhole sets him off, and it must be unbearably hard on Tony to be confronted with the memory of what he's been through that way. It's very easy to imagine something similar happening to any other person with PTSD who's now being hailed as a hero, subjected to clueless questions and adulation for their part in something they haven't even fully processed yet.
* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was ment meant to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming. I couldn't help but find the whole scene a heartwarming, it's little sad (maybe not crying waterfalls sad, but sad). sad. After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that? Dude, that seems just a little cold to me.is really cold.

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While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was ment to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming. I couldn't help but find the whole scene a little sad (maybe not crying waterfalls sad, but sad). After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that? Dude, that seems just a little cold to me.

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* While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was ment to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming. I couldn't help but find the whole scene a little sad (maybe not crying waterfalls sad, but sad). After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that? Dude, that seems just a little cold to me.
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** The fact that so many of Tony's PTSD attacks are triggered in the presence of children, period, is a tearjerker. He's obviously still having a really hard time with everything he's gone through, but all these kids see (with the exception of maybe Harley) is a brave adventure hero with cool robot suits. Adjusting to having a young fanbase (for a foul-mouthed, cheeky playboy like Tony) would be hard enough even without the enormity of what happened in New York. The innocent question about how he escaped the wormhole sets him off, and it must be unbearably hard on Tony to be confronted with the memory of what he's been through that way. It's very easy to imagine something similar happening to any other person with PTSD who's now being hailed as a hero, subjected to clueless questions and adulation for their part in something they haven't even fully processed yet.

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** The fact that so many of Tony's PTSD attacks are triggered in the presence of children, period, is a tearjerker. He's obviously still having a really hard time with everything he's gone through, but all these kids see (with the exception of maybe Harley) is a brave adventure hero with cool robot suits. Adjusting to having a young fanbase (for a foul-mouthed, cheeky playboy like Tony) would be hard enough even without the enormity of what happened in New York. The innocent question about how he escaped the wormhole sets him off, and it must be unbearably hard on Tony to be confronted with the memory of what he's been through that way. It's very easy to imagine something similar happening to any other person with PTSD who's now being hailed as a hero, subjected to clueless questions and adulation for their part in something they haven't even fully processed yet.yet.
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While Tony's destroying all his armors he'd summoned to fight [[spoiler:Killian]] and his men was ment to be a Christmas gift to Pepper, and therefore something heartwarming. I couldn't help but find the whole scene a little sad (maybe not crying waterfalls sad, but sad). After all the good those suits did, and to just blow them up like that? Dude, that seems just a little cold to me.
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* Tony Signing his fan's drawing: "[[spoiler: HELP ME, ERIN!!]]"

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* Tony Signing his fan's drawing: "[[spoiler: HELP ME, ERIN!!]]"ERIN!!]]"
** The fact that so many of Tony's PTSD attacks are triggered in the presence of children, period, is a tearjerker. He's obviously still having a really hard time with everything he's gone through, but all these kids see (with the exception of maybe Harley) is a brave adventure hero with cool robot suits. Adjusting to having a young fanbase (for a foul-mouthed, cheeky playboy like Tony) would be hard enough even without the enormity of what happened in New York. The innocent question about how he escaped the wormhole sets him off, and it must be unbearably hard on Tony to be confronted with the memory of what he's been through that way. It's very easy to imagine something similar happening to any other person with PTSD who's now being hailed as a hero, subjected to clueless questions and adulation for their part in something they haven't even fully processed yet.
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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them, basically in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.

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* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them, basically in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.dealers.
*Tony Signing his fan's drawing: "[[spoiler: HELP ME, ERIN!!]]"
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** Also his reaction to [[spoiler: seeing the hologram of Pepper being tortured with the Extremis virus]]. Never has Tony seemed so helpless. He's almost crying!

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** Also his reaction to [[spoiler: seeing the hologram of Pepper being tortured with the Extremis virus]]. Never has Tony seemed so helpless. He's almost crying!nearly crying, and has to look away.
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* The "bombing" site in Tennessee, loaded with memorials and flowers. When Tony tells that soldier's mother that her son didn't kill himself (and five other soldiers) that day, even if he can't tell her what really happened, it's really hard in a totally banal, real-world way.

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* The "bombing" site in Tennessee, loaded with memorials and flowers. When Tony tells that soldier's mother that her son didn't kill himself (and five other soldiers) that day, even if he can't tell her what really happened, it's really hard in a totally banal, real-world way.way.
* A fridge one but the bulk of [[spoiler: Killian's]] army are made up of disabled veterans. Some might have been BloodKnights but some likely were once good men and women that fought for their country and then abandoned when traumatized or disabled. Extremitis gave them a second chance but turned them into dangerous addicts with only [[spoiler:Killian]] willing to help them, basically in the hands of aggressive drug dealers.

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