History TearJerker / FromFakeDreams

--> ''[[AintTooProudToBeg Save them Saber]]. Please save my children. [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed]], [[AllForNothing where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction]]. [[TraumaCongaLine Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.]]''\\

--> ''[[AintTooProudToBeg Save them Saber]]. [[AdultFear Please save my children]]. [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed]], [[AllForNothing where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction]]. [[TraumaCongaLine Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.]]''\\

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath this version of Shirou went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all]] [[IllKillYou of his rage and frustration]] [[LikeFatherLikeSon on the man]] [[AllForNothing who led him]] [[HistoryRepeats astray]] [[GenerationXerox in the first place.]]

* Chapter 61: Archer tells Kiritsugu that the notes he had on the former giving a version of Shirou his arm only makes sense if he was being pushed by the Counter Force. This means that every time Archer is summoned, the Counter Force is already guiding his actions, meaning that there was never any chance of him ever getting out of his pact with Alaya.

--> Archer sighed. "My goal of killing my younger self in this War to get out of the Throne was based on the idea that I could move with autonomy while summoned as a Servant. But… if my actions were proven to be influenced by the Counterforce even then…"//
Then there was a chance that his actions had been subtly influenced ''every time'' he was summoned during the Fifth Grail war to begin with.//
His faint hope of freedom was based on the false assumption of having a window of free will.//

* Chapter 60 lays off the mother of TearJerker moments on the Emiya family and everyone associated. Irisviel has been forced to manifest as a failsafe in the Holy Grail War's system, and she has more of her personality surfacing thanks to how well things have been managed until now. On the plus side it means she is more affable, on the minus side it means Irisviel is genuinely a TragicMonster in the making. To say old wounds have been torn open again is an understatement.

** [[NotSoDifferent Luvia is in a similar position]]. Sakura, Illya and Bazett aren't in as bad a spot, [[TheMagocracy but Luvia and Rin are magi to the core.]]

* Early on in Chapter 5, [[ChronicHeroSyndrome Shirou gets himself in trouble]] when he protects [[BrokenBird Sakura]] [[KidsAreCruel from a bunch of bullies]]. [[RealityEnsues He gets beaten up even when using Reinforcement]], and Kiritsugu scares the other children off using his [[KillingIntent Magus Killer]] [[ColdEquation persona]]. Then, [[DisappointedInYou he calmly gives Shirou a harsh speech on the latter's foolishness]], [[TragicHero warning him of what will happen if he follow his father's path.]]

* Chapter 55: Something has to be said for how tense the mood is after the Holy Grail War, with everyone assuming Shirou is acting all mysterious, and again going to unleash hell on the city, and therefore being unable to trust him at all, even though they all know he has gone through Hell for them. It doesn't help that he has VERY valid reasons to hide what is going on ([[spoiler:namely, a transaction between Dead Apostles in town, which would, if known, risk causing far more harm than if the deal just goes through without a hitch]]), and that he can only say "You'll understand when it's done" to placate them, which comes off as callous.

* Chapter 58 ends on one. [[spoiler:Ain't it sad, Issei?]]
* Chapter 60 lays off the mother of TearJerker moments on the Emiya family and everyone associated. [[spoiler:Irisviel has been forced to manifest as a failsafe in the Holy Grail War's system, and she has more of her personality surfacing thanks to how well things have been managed until now. On the plus side it means she is more affable, on the minus side it means Irisviel is genuinely a TragicMonster in the making. To say old wounds have been torn open again is an understatement.]]

* Chapter 58 ends on one. [[spoiler:Ain't it sad, Issei?]]

** Princess!Caster's speech to Shirou, stating once again why she hates him and why she thinks he's a ticking bomb that will cause nothing but harm to Luvia.

** [[SpannerInTheWorks Seeing as how fucked up the Holy War has become]], [[ObstructiveBureaucrat the Association will likely go after Shirou for petty reasons.]] [[GuiltByAssociation Shirou has many accomplices, and the Association will go after them as well.]]

* Chapter 43: Ilya's maids die because of Caster's dragon fang warriors.

* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and Kiritsugu reunite, and the narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for Kiritsugu.

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath this version of Shirou went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all]] [[IllKillYou of his rage and frustration on the man]] [[AllForNothing who led him]] [[HistoryRepeats astray]] [[GenerationXerox in the first place.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath this version of Shirou went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to]] [[Patricide switch targets since he can afford to vent all]] [[IllKillYou of his rage and frustration on the man]] [[AllForNothing who led him]] [[HistoryRepeats astray]] [[GenerationXerox in the first place.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath this version of Shirou went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all]] [[IllKillYou of his rage and frustration on the man]] [[AllForNothing who led him astray in the first place.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath this version of Shirou went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all of his rage and frustration on the man]] [[AllForNothing who led him astray in the first place.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath this version of Shirou went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all of his rage and frustration on the man who led him astray in the first place.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath Archer went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all of his rage and frustration on the man who led him astray in the first place.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath Archer went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all of his rage and frustration on the man who led him astray.]]

* Chapter 42: [[InvoluntaryBattleToTheDeath As Archer and Assassin are busy trying to kill each other]], [[NotSoStoic Heroic Spirit EMIYA breaks his composure]]. [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning While Kiritsugu managed to make it to the Throne of Heroes as a true Heroic Spirit]], [[FateWorseThanDeath Archer went down the path of a Counter Guardian]]. Assassin deflects, stating that [[ColdEquation they are both 'cleaners']] and that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the difference is that only 'fools' pretend otherwise.]] [[CallingTheOldManOut Archer becomes quite furious]], point out that he inherited a [[TitleDrop fake dream]], [[TragicDream a fake dream that his father already fulfilled]]. [[IHatePastMe Archer notes that he was going to try and kill his past self again]], [[BrokenPedestal but now he genuinely want to switch targets since he can afford to vent all of his rage and frustration.]]

** [[NotSoDifferent Luvia is in a similar position]]. Sakura, Illya, Bazett aren't in as bad a spot, [[TheMagocracy but Luvia and Rin are magi to the core.]]

** [[SpannerInTheWorks Seeing as how fucked up the Holy War has become]], [[ObstructiveBurecrat the Association will likely go after Shirou for petty reasons.]] Shirou has many accomplices, and the Association will go after them as well.
** Rin is the Second Owner of Fuyuki, so if the Association find out about her support, [[FateWorseThanDeath she would lose her legacy, her money, her research, her home and her property]]. The only reason that this did not happen in canon is because [[ItAmusedMe Zelretch intervened]], and [[ProperlyParanoid Shirou does not want to bet on the eccentric Magi's assistance this time around.]]
** [[NotSoDifferent Luvia is in a similar position]]. Sakura, Illya, Bazett aren't in as bad a spot, but Luvia and Rin are magi to the core.
** And in the worst case scenario, the Association would use Shirou as a scapegoat because he knew about the corrupted Grail, Zouken, Kirei and Gilgamesh. They would blame him for allowing things to spiral out of control and [[TheNeedsOfTheMany for not killing Sakura for the risk she posed to society]], along with not informing Rin of Archer's true identity and using his future self to take out Kirei and Gilgamesh more quickly. He'd be called ineffective for not killing Luvia and her sister despite knowing the risks that Witch!Caster posed. He'd be called a traitor for not telling of the above concerns to Barthomelloi earlier. [[TheyWouldCutYouUp Not to mention Shirou's Reality Marble and his Apostle affliction...]]

* Early on in Chapter 5, [[ChronicHeroSyndrome Shirou gets himself in trouble]] when he protects [[BrokenBird Sakura]] [[KidsAreCruel from a bunch of bullies]]. [[RealityEnsues He gets beaten up even when using Reinforcement]], and Kiritsugu scares the other children off using his [[KillingIntent Magus Killer persona]]. Then, [[DisappointedInYou he calmly gives Shirou a harsh speech on the latter's foolishness]], [[TragicHero warning him of what will happen if he follow his father's path.]]

* During the early parts of the Holy Grail War, [[TheHero Shirou]] and [[TheGoodKing Saber]] have a sobering conversation about their ideals and what they are both fighting for. Saber wishes to use the Holy Grail to undo her past as King Arthur, [[BrutalHonesty but Shirou makes a blunt observation]]. Just as Kiritsugu put his faith in Shirou, the people of Britain put their faith in Saber, and Saber's wish would be spitting in the faces of all the knights [[TrueCompanions who chose to fight by her side and became legends alongside their king]]. Shirou also states that while he still has a severe guilt complex, he would never try to change the past so that Kiritsugu would save someone else in hopes that they would do what he could not. Saber ends up leaving in a huff on her motorcycle.