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* During the early parts of the Holy Grail War, [[TheHero Shirou]] and [[TheGoodKing Saber]] have a sobering conversation about their ideals and what they are both fighting for. Saber wishes to use the Holy Grail to undo her past as King Arthur, [[BrutalHonesty but Shirou makes a blunt observation]]. Just as Kiritsugu put his faith in Shirou, the people of Britain put their faith in Saber, and Saber's wish would be spitting in the faces of all the knights who chose to fight by her side. Shirou also states that while he still has a severe guilt complex, he would never try to change the past so that Kiritsugu would save someone else in hopes that they would do what he could not. Saber ends up leaving in a huff on her motorcycle.


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* During the early parts of the Holy Grail War, [[TheHero Shirou]] and [[TheGoodKing Saber]] have a sobering conversation about their ideals and what they are both fighting for. Saber wishes to use the Holy Grail to undo her past as King Arthur, [[BrutalHonesty but Shirou makes a blunt observation]]. Just as Kiritsugu put his faith in Shirou, the people of Britain put their faith in Saber, and Saber's wish would be spitting in the faces of all the knights [[TrueCompanions who chose to fight by her side.side and became legends alongside their king]]. Shirou also states that while he still has a severe guilt complex, he would never try to change the past so that Kiritsugu would save someone else in hopes that they would do what he could not. Saber ends up leaving in a huff on her motorcycle.

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* During the early parts of the Holy Grail War, [[TheHero Shirou]] and [[TheGoodKing Saber]] have a sobering conversation about their ideals and what they are both fighting for. Saber wishes to use the Holy Grail to undo her past as King Arthur, [[BrutalHonesty but Shirou makes a blunt observation]]. Just as Kiritsugu put his faith in Shirou, the people of Britain put their faith in Saber, and Saber's wish would be spitting in the faces of all the knights who chose to fight by her side. Shirou also states that while he still has a severe guilt complex, he would never try to change the past so that Kiritsugu would save someone else in hopes that they would do what he could not. [[Tearjerker Saber ends up leaving in a huff on her motorcycle.]]


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* During the early parts of the Holy Grail War, [[TheHero Shirou]] and [[TheGoodKing Saber]] have a sobering conversation about their ideals and what they are both fighting for. Saber wishes to use the Holy Grail to undo her past as King Arthur, [[BrutalHonesty but Shirou makes a blunt observation]]. Just as Kiritsugu put his faith in Shirou, the people of Britain put their faith in Saber, and Saber's wish would be spitting in the faces of all the knights who chose to fight by her side. Shirou also states that while he still has a severe guilt complex, he would never try to change the past so that Kiritsugu would save someone else in hopes that they would do what he could not. [[Tearjerker Saber ends up leaving in a huff on her motorcycle.]]

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*During the early parts of the Holy Grail War, [[TheHero Shirou]] and [[TheGoodKing Saber]] have a sobering conversation about their ideals and what they are both fighting for. Saber wishes to use the Holy Grail to undo her past as King Arthur, [[BrutalHonesty but Shirou makes a blunt observation]]. Just as Kiritsugu put his faith in Shirou, the people of Britain put their faith in Saber, and Saber's wish would be spitting in the faces of all the knights who chose to fight by her side. Shirou also states that while he still has a severe guilt complex, he would never try to change the past so that Kiritsugu would save someone else in hopes that they would do what he could not. [[Tearjerker Saber ends up leaving in a huff on her motorcycle.]]

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--> ''Save them Saber. Please save my children. I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.''\\
''Please.''\\
''Please give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.''

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--> ''Save ''[[AintTooProudToBeg Save them Saber. Saber]]. [[AdultFear Please save my children. children]]. [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, failed]], [[AllForNothing where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. destruction]]. [[TraumaCongaLine Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.]]''\\
''[[SincerityMode Please]].
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''Please.''\\
''Please
''[[PrayerIsALastResort Please give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.time]].''
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* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, even more so than in canon.

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* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, [[UpToEleven even more so than in canon.canon]].



** Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!

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** Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low "[[ManchurianAgent low magecraft resistance/gullibility" resistance/gullibility]]" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!
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** Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!

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** Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!4!
* Chapter 55: Something has to be said for how tense the mood is after the Holy Grail War, with everyone assuming Shirou is acting all mysterious, and again going to unleash hell on the city, and therefore being unable to trust him at all, even though they all know he has gone through Hell for them. It doesn't help that he has VERY valid reasons to hide what is going on ([[spoiler:namely, a transaction between Dead Apostles in town, which would, if known, risk causing far more harm than if the deal just goes through without a hitch]]), and that he can only say "You'll understand when it's done" to placate them, which comes off as callous.
** Princess!Caster's speech to Shirou, stating once again why she hates him and why she thinks he's a ticking bomb that will cause nothing but harm to Luvia.
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** [[spoiler:Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the ripples this difference made.]]
* Chapter 23, where the letter Kiritsugu left behind for [[spoiler:Saber]] was revealed, you can clearly see the grief and desperation that has gripped the man, to the point where he was actually putting his faith in a ''Heroic Spirit'', an entity which he had despised for the better portion of his life due to them (from his point of view) being no better than common murderers.
--> ''Save them [[spoiler:Saber]]. Please save my children. I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.''\\

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** [[spoiler:Comes Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the ripples this difference made.]]
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* Chapter 23, where the letter Kiritsugu left behind for [[spoiler:Saber]] Saber was revealed, you can clearly see the grief and desperation that has gripped the man, to the point where he was actually putting his faith in a ''Heroic Spirit'', an entity which he had despised for the better portion of his life due to them (from his point of view) being no better than common murderers.
--> ''Save them [[spoiler:Saber]].Saber. Please save my children. I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.''\\



* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down after Luvia and [[spoiler:Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler:[[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler:[[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler:[[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].

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* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down after Luvia and [[spoiler:Princess!Medea]] Princess!Medea help her realize that [[spoiler:[[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] [[BrokenHero Archer's]] attitude, different [[spoiler:[[FieldOfBlades [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], Marble]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler:[[FateWorseThanDeath [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].Guardian]].



* Chapter 44 has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler:of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[{{Understatement}} it well]].

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* Chapter 44 has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler:of of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] War]]. He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[{{Understatement}} it well]].



* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when [[spoiler:Taiga and Kiritsugu reunite]], and the narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because [[spoiler:Taiga's role]] won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].
** [[spoiler:Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!]]

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* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when [[spoiler:Taiga Taiga and Kiritsugu reunite]], reunite, and the narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because [[spoiler:Taiga's role]] Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].
Kiritsugu.
** [[spoiler:Even Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!]]4!
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** [[spoiler: Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the ripples this difference made.]]
* Chapter 23, where the letter Kiritsugu left behind for [[spoiler: Saber]] was revealed, you can clearly see the grief and desperation that has gripped the man, to the point where he was actually putting his faith in a ''Heroic Spirit'', an entity which he had despised for the better portion of his life due to them (from his point of view) being no better than common murderers.

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** [[spoiler: Comes [[spoiler:Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the ripples this difference made.]]
* Chapter 23, where the letter Kiritsugu left behind for [[spoiler: Saber]] [[spoiler:Saber]] was revealed, you can clearly see the grief and desperation that has gripped the man, to the point where he was actually putting his faith in a ''Heroic Spirit'', an entity which he had despised for the better portion of his life due to them (from his point of view) being no better than common murderers.



** [[spoiler: Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!]]

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--> ''Save them [[spoiler: Saber]]. Please save my children. I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.''
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-->''Please.''
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-->''Please give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.''

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--> ''Save them [[spoiler: Saber]].[[spoiler:Saber]]. Please save my children. I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.''
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-->''Please.''
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-->''Please
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''Please.''\\
''Please
give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.''



* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down after Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].

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* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down after Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] [[spoiler:Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero [[spoiler:[[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades [[spoiler:[[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath [[spoiler:[[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].



** This also means Archer's VERY EXISTENCE causes untold anguish to Shirou, sending him in a borderline UnstoppableRage in chapter 46, where Rin has to blackmail him with his kitchen to stop him from trying to kill Archer. "He will deny me" all right.

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** This also means Archer's VERY EXISTENCE causes untold anguish to Shirou, sending him in a borderline UnstoppableRage in chapter Chapter 46, where Rin has to blackmail him with his kitchen to stop him from trying to kill Archer. "He will deny me" all right.



* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, and the narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].

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* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga [[spoiler:Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, Kiritsugu reunite]], and the narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role [[spoiler:Taiga's role]] won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].
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* Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[{{Understatement}} it well]].

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* Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] 44 has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[spoiler:of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[{{Understatement}} it well]].



* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, and narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].

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* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, and the narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].
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* Chapter 5, where Kiritsugu, just before dying, gives Shirou his last lesson and sets his life goals.
** [[spoiler: Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the difference.]]

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* Chapter 5, where Kiritsugu, just before dying, gives Shirou his last lesson and sets his life goals.
goals. All the more powerful since this moment replaces the canon moment where Kiritsugu passes down his ideal to Shirou.
** [[spoiler: Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the difference.ripples this difference made.]]
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* Chapter 5, where Kiritsugu, just before dying, gives Shirou his last lesson and sets his life goals.
** [[spoiler: Comes back with a vengeance 40 chapters down the road when Shirou sees Archer and realizes the difference.]]



* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, and narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].

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* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, and narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].[[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].
** [[spoiler: Even worse when you realize that Taiga's "low magecraft resistance/gullibility" has been hinted at as early as Chapter 4!]]
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* Chapter 49 has a moment with Illya and Assassin that is both this and Heartwarming. The reason why it is tear-jerking is because of all the pent up feelings on both sides, and the fact that most likely Assassin expects to disappear, given that his role is over. It is also extremely gut-wrenching to hear Illya acknowledge she is not up to the task of caring for Shirou alone.

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* Chapter 49 has a moment with Illya and Assassin that is both this and Heartwarming. The reason why it is tear-jerking is because of all the pent up feelings on both sides, and the fact that most likely Assassin expects to disappear, given that his role is over. It is also extremely gut-wrenching to hear Illya acknowledge she is not up to the task of caring for Shirou alone.alone.
* Chapter 51 has a sobering moment when Taiga and [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]] reunite, and narration reveals just how far his planning for the War went. It goes in this territory because Taiga's role won't be known to Shirou for a while, and because it's yet one other sacrifice for the World, showing that some habits die hard for [[spoiler:Kiritsugu]].
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* Chapter 49 has a moment with Illya and Assassin that is both this and Heartwarming. The reason why it is tear-jerking is because of all the pent up feelings on both sides, and the fact that most likely Assassin expects to disappear, given that his role is over. It is also extremely gut-wrenching to hear Illya acknowledge she is not up to the task of caring about Shirou alone.

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* Chapter 49 has a moment with Illya and Assassin that is both this and Heartwarming. The reason why it is tear-jerking is because of all the pent up feelings on both sides, and the fact that most likely Assassin expects to disappear, given that his role is over. It is also extremely gut-wrenching to hear Illya acknowledge she is not up to the task of caring about for Shirou alone.

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* Chapter 48 has Witch!Caster finally getting her just desserts. Still, given how pathetically she gets owned, and with all the crap she has been forced to go through in life and after, one can't help but feel a very little bit sorry for her. She loses absolutely everything, and then as she was about to cause everything to blow up as a last ditch attempt, she gets shot in the back by Assassin, ultimately coming off as a wretched being who was until the end played by everyone, and who had to be put down for the greater good. On a meta level this cements how ruthless Shirou can be, and how far he has diverged from his Canon self, who would have strived to save everyone.

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* Chapter 48 has Witch!Caster finally getting her just desserts. Still, given how pathetically she gets owned, and with all the crap she has been forced to go through in life and after, one can't help but feel a very little bit sorry for her. She loses absolutely everything, and then as she was about to cause everything to blow up as a last ditch attempt, she gets shot in the back by Assassin, ultimately coming off as a wretched being who was until the end played by everyone, and who had to be put down for the greater good. On a meta level this cements how ruthless Shirou can be, and how far he has diverged from his Canon self, who would have strived striven to save everyone.everyone.
* Chapter 49 has a moment with Illya and Assassin that is both this and Heartwarming. The reason why it is tear-jerking is because of all the pent up feelings on both sides, and the fact that most likely Assassin expects to disappear, given that his role is over. It is also extremely gut-wrenching to hear Illya acknowledge she is not up to the task of caring about Shirou alone.
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* Chapter 47 has Illya interacting with Archer, and the revelation of just how worn down the countless summons and Grail Wars have left him. She ''begs'' him to hold on to what few memories he has left when the War is over, to not lose more of himself to the haze of constant killing and death, and he can't even promise that much anymore.

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* Chapter 47 has Illya interacting with Archer, and the revelation of just how worn down the countless summons and Grail Wars have left him. She ''begs'' him to hold on to what few memories he has left when the War is over, to not lose more of himself to the haze of constant killing and death, and he can't even promise that much anymore.anymore.
* Chapter 48 has Witch!Caster finally getting her just desserts. Still, given how pathetically she gets owned, and with all the crap she has been forced to go through in life and after, one can't help but feel a very little bit sorry for her. She loses absolutely everything, and then as she was about to cause everything to blow up as a last ditch attempt, she gets shot in the back by Assassin, ultimately coming off as a wretched being who was until the end played by everyone, and who had to be put down for the greater good. On a meta level this cements how ruthless Shirou can be, and how far he has diverged from his Canon self, who would have strived to save everyone.
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* Chapter 46, when Shirou hands over to Luvia a complete file about himself and every single thing that could get him imprisoned/killed/worse. Princess!Caster comments he is genuine and that his heart is in the right place, but he goes about it in such a clumsy way, that it comes across as very sad. Luvia herself is quite moved by how selfless an idiot Shirou is. It's even more tragic when you realize Shirou had been toying with the idea of disappearing for a few months, and he seems to just brush it off as part of his plan.

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* Chapter 46, when Shirou hands over to Luvia a complete file about himself and every single thing that could get him imprisoned/killed/worse. Princess!Caster comments he is genuine and that his heart is in the right place, but he goes about it in such a clumsy way, that it comes across as very sad. Luvia herself is quite moved by how selfless an idiot Shirou is. It's even more tragic when you realize Shirou had been toying with the idea of disappearing for a few months, and he seems to just brush it off as part of his plan.plan.
* Chapter 47 has Illya interacting with Archer, and the revelation of just how worn down the countless summons and Grail Wars have left him. She ''begs'' him to hold on to what few memories he has left when the War is over, to not lose more of himself to the haze of constant killing and death, and he can't even promise that much anymore.

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* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, even moreso than in canon.

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* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, even moreso more so than in canon.



** Kiritsugu's scared mannerisms in regards to his son once he saw the Archer route. That left poor Shirou with some emotional trauma that came back with a vengeance when he saw JUST what Kiritsugu wanted him to avoid.
** This also means Archer's VERY EXISTENCE causes untold anguish to Shirou, sending him in a borderline UnstoppableRage in chapter 46, where Rin has to blackmail him with his kitchen to stop him from trying to kill Archer. "He will deny me" all right.

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** Kiritsugu's scared mannerisms in regards to his son once he saw the Archer route. That left poor Shirou with some emotional trauma that came back with a vengeance when he saw JUST what Kiritsugu wanted him to avoid.
avoid, when he met Archer.
** This also means Archer's VERY EXISTENCE causes untold anguish to Shirou, sending him in a borderline UnstoppableRage in chapter 46, where Rin has to blackmail him with his kitchen to stop him from trying to kill Archer. "He will deny me" all right.right.
* Chapter 46, when Shirou hands over to Luvia a complete file about himself and every single thing that could get him imprisoned/killed/worse. Princess!Caster comments he is genuine and that his heart is in the right place, but he goes about it in such a clumsy way, that it comes across as very sad. Luvia herself is quite moved by how selfless an idiot Shirou is. It's even more tragic when you realize Shirou had been toying with the idea of disappearing for a few months, and he seems to just brush it off as part of his plan.
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* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, even moreso than in canon.

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* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, even moreso than in canon.canon.
** Taiga (who may have more of an active role in canon) also actually had one when reminiscing about Kiritsugu with Shirou.
** Kiritsugu's scared mannerisms in regards to his son once he saw the Archer route. That left poor Shirou with some emotional trauma that came back with a vengeance when he saw JUST what Kiritsugu wanted him to avoid.
** This also means Archer's VERY EXISTENCE causes untold anguish to Shirou, sending him in a borderline UnstoppableRage in chapter 46, where Rin has to blackmail him with his kitchen to stop him from trying to kill Archer. "He will deny me" all right.
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* Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[{{Understatement}} it well]].

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* Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[{{Understatement}} it well]].well]].
* Chapter 45 finally drives home the difference between Shirou and Archer: if Archer inherited Kiritsugu's ideals, FFD!Shirou inherited his ''regrets''. This means Archer and Shirou are so different on a fundamental level, they will never be able to understand or accept each other, even moreso than in canon.
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* Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWoeseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[Understatement it well]].

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* Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWoeseThanDeath [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[Understatement [[{{Understatement}} it well]].
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* Chapter 43: Ilya's maids die because of Caster's dragon fang warriors.

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* Chapter 43: Ilya's maids die because of Caster's dragon fang warriors.warriors.
*Chapter [[spoiler: 44]] has Shirou finally discover the identity [[spoiler: of [[IHatePastMe Archer]], and worse still the resonance between their souls causes Shirou to relive all of Archer's [[DyingAlone life]], existence as a [[FateWoeseThanDeath Counter Guardian]] and [[KickTheDog summonings]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong the]] [[NightmareFuel Grail]] [[FridgeHorror War]].]] He [[HeroicBSOD does]] [[ItsAllMyFault not]] [[MySkullRunnethOver take]] [[Understatement it well]].
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** The chapters afterward are not any better almost breaking her time and again.

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** The chapters afterward are not any better almost breaking her time and again.again.
* Chapter 43: Ilya's maids die because of Caster's dragon fang warriors.
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** What makes it worse, is that because she's unaware that this Shirou is not her timeline's Shirou, it makes her believe that all her efforts to curb Shirou's distortion were for naught.

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** What makes it worse, is that because she's unaware that this Shirou is not her timeline's Shirou, it makes her believe that all her efforts to curb Shirou's distortion were for naught.naught.
** The chapters afterward are not any better almost breaking her time and again.
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** What makes it worse, is that because she's unaware that this Shirou is not her timeline's Shirou, it makes her believe that all her efforts to get curb Shirou's distortion were for naught.

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** What makes it worse, is that because she's unaware that this Shirou is not her timeline's Shirou, it makes her believe that all her efforts to get curb Shirou's distortion were for naught.
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* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down after Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].

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* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down after Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].Guardian]]]].
** What makes it worse, is that because she's unaware that this Shirou is not her timeline's Shirou, it makes her believe that all her efforts to get curb Shirou's distortion were for naught.
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* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down as Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].

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* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down as after Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].
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* The 'blink and you'll miss it' mention about some of [[FallenHero Archer]]'s previous summons as a Counter Guardian. He's had to kill [[TragicMonster Sakura]] ''multiple times''.

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* The 'blink and you'll miss it' mention about some of [[FallenHero Archer]]'s previous summons as a Counter Guardian. He's had to kill [[TragicMonster Sakura]] ''multiple times''.times''.
* Chapter 34 has Rin pretty much start to break down as Luvia and [[spoiler: Princess!Medea]] help her realize that [[spoiler: [[BrokenHero Archer's]]]] attitude, different [[spoiler: [[FieldOfBlades Reality Marble]]]], and lack of a recorded Legend all point to him being a [[spoiler: [[FateWorseThanDeath Counter Guardian]]]].
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-->''Please give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.''

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-->''Please give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.''''
* The 'blink and you'll miss it' mention about some of [[FallenHero Archer]]'s previous summons as a Counter Guardian. He's had to kill [[TragicMonster Sakura]] ''multiple times''.
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* Chapter 23, where the letter Kiritsugu left behind for [[spoiler: Saber]] was revealed, you can clearly see the grief and desperation that has gripped the man, to the point where he was actually putting his faith in a ''Heroic Spirit'', an entity which he had despised for the better portion of his life due to them (from his point of view) being no better than common murderers.
--> ''Save them [[spoiler: Saber]]. Please save my children. I have bet everything on you and Shirou to make things right where I have failed, where I have gambled everything on a lie and gained nothing but destruction. Every other attempt I have had at trying to make someone close to me happy and live has ended only in death, violence, and sending them on the path of ruin.''
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-->''Please.''
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-->''Please give me a reason to believe that there is worth in heroes one last time.''

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