History TearJerker / FireEmblemAwakening

14th Feb '18 1:28:25 PM KoolKoopaGirl
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** Then again, neither Cordelia or the Avatar ever mention Chrom at any point in their supports, instead focusing on her SurvivorGuilt. It is, however, possible that Cordelia has developed a low self-esteem since the biggest crush she's ever had ended up going unrequited, so she may have thought that nobody could ever ''possibly'' love her romantically. With this in mind, her trying to pass it off as a joke sounds more like she simply doesn't believe this new person she's fallen in love with actually loves her back. She could simply be nervous and hesitant at first because she's terrified of pursuing a relationship with someone, because she genuinely can't picture herself being happy in love. If one reads it this way, the fact that she ecstatically accepts the Avatar's proposal means she managed to overcome that fear and took the chance at happiness, making it a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.

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** Then again, neither Cordelia or the Avatar ever mention Chrom at any point in their supports, instead focusing on her SurvivorGuilt. It is, however, possible that Cordelia has developed a low self-esteem since the biggest crush she's ever had ended up going unrequited, so she may have thought that nobody could ever ''possibly'' love her romantically. With this in mind, her trying to pass it off as a joke sounds more like she simply doesn't believe this new person she's fallen in love with actually loves her back. She could simply be nervous and hesitant at first because she's terrified of pursuing a relationship with someone, because she genuinely can't picture herself being happy in love. If one reads it this way, the fact that she ecstatically accepts the Avatar's proposal means she managed to overcome that fear and took the chance at happiness, making it a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
* Henry and Ricken's B-Support, which reveals a few things about the Plegian commanders that will probably make you feel bad for killing them.
31st Dec '17 11:18:27 PM animenutcase
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*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler:Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them. [[spoiler:Owain]] is more subdued and optimistic than the other two, but he does mention spending days swearing ''at'' the gods. Meanwhile, [[spoiler:Yarne]] thinks he ought to be struck down where he stands for [[spoiler:leaving Inigo and Owain]], even if it was at their request.

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*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler:Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them. [[spoiler:Owain]] is more subdued and optimistic than the other two, but he does mention spending days swearing ''at'' the gods. [[spoiler:Nah]], who has a number of supports bringing up Naga says that she's never been able to have faith prior to speaking with her father despite the fact that he was a priest. Meanwhile, [[spoiler:Yarne]] thinks he ought to be struck down where he stands for [[spoiler:leaving Inigo and Owain]], even if it was at their request.
31st Dec '17 11:16:03 PM animenutcase
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*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler:Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them.

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*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler:Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them. [[spoiler:Owain]] is more subdued and optimistic than the other two, but he does mention spending days swearing ''at'' the gods. Meanwhile, [[spoiler:Yarne]] thinks he ought to be struck down where he stands for [[spoiler:leaving Inigo and Owain]], even if it was at their request.
31st Dec '17 11:08:59 PM animenutcase
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** If Virion is [[spoiler:Gerome]]'s father, he senses no affection from the [[spoiler:Gerome]] from there and questions if the Virion of that world mistreated his child. [[spoiler:Gerome]]'s response is "In the worst way". For a split second, Virion gets a dose of AdultFear that he may have been an [[AbusiveParents abusive father]], but then [[spoiler:Gerome]] clarifies.
-->Alternate [[spoiler:Gerome]]: That dastard was everything to me. If he wasn't teaching me the ways of war, he was drilling me on courtly behavior. He made me who I am, and I loved him. ...[[spoiler:And then he died.]] He hurt me in the worst way imaginable!
11th Dec '17 1:47:08 PM Luigifan
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** [[spoiler:Laurent]]'s death quote from ''The Future Past 3'' is utterly heartwrenching, because it really drives home the fact that these poor kids have known ''nothing'' but death and despair since the day they were born. [[spoiler:And worse: If the children die, then they died ''never'' having known what it was like to live without fear]]. Furthermore, if you have [[spoiler:Miriel]] stand next to him, it activates a conversation between them where [[spoiler:Laurent]] gets excited because he thinks that [[spoiler:Miriel]] is the same one from his time, because [[spoiler:her body was never found]]. You can tell that [[spoiler:Miriel]] has a hard time bringing herself to convince him of the truth.

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** [[spoiler:Laurent]]'s death quote from ''The Future Past 3'' is utterly heartwrenching, because it really drives home the fact that these poor kids have known ''nothing'' but death and despair since the day they were born. [[spoiler:And worse: If the children die, then they died ''never'' having known what it was like to live without fear]]. fear.]] Furthermore, if you have [[spoiler:Miriel]] stand next to him, it activates a conversation between them where [[spoiler:Laurent]] gets excited because he thinks that [[spoiler:Miriel]] is the same one from his time, because [[spoiler:her body was never found]]. You can tell that [[spoiler:Miriel]] has a hard time bringing herself to convince him of the truth.



--->'''[[spoiler:Yarne]]:''' [[spoiler:''I don't care if I die out... But please...not the others...'']]

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--->'''[[spoiler:Yarne]]:''' [[spoiler:''I don't care if I die out... But please... not the others...'']]



** One of the subtler, but absolutely one of the most heartwrenching things from the maps, comes in the form of the boss characters first two Future Past maps. Who are they? [[spoiler: The two versions of Morgan, your character's normally eccentric, dorky, and lovable child.]] And they have absolutely no qualms about attacking the kids, who might even be [[spoiler: their siblings or ''parents'' depending on who was married.]] Think about it - Consider how both of them are otherwise. They've been broken ''this'' much, enough for them to ruthlessly serve and slaughter under Grima.
*** Continuing on, you don't have to take them down. You can get them to retreat by [[spoiler: just positioning your Avatar next to them, and regardless of which one it is, they'll show regret and retreat. The Morgan of your Avatar's gender only shows sadness before warping away, which is sad on its own, but the one you can recruit gets a full conversation. They try as hard as they can to tear down every point or gesture your tactician makes towards them, being as dismissive and cold as possible and reaffirming their faith in Grima, until your character hands them a book - One of their favorite strategy books. Morgan tries to intimidate them by bringing up the possibility of it being used against them, but the Avatar just says they know they won't, because they remind them of "Someone very special to [them].", and then leaves and tells them they're glad they got to talk. Then we get this from Morgan:]]
---> '''[[spoiler:Morgan]]:''' ''.....I already have this book. You gave it to me long ago. The notes and dog-ears are all exactly the same. ...I can't do it. I can't keep fighting. Up until now, my faith was unshakable. I was ready to kill my own friends... But I cannot strike down [[spoiler: the kind and gentle mother/father I once knew...]] Forgive me, Master Grima. I must withdraw... I remain your servant and am ready to accept any punishment you see fit.''
*** To put it into perspective - [[spoiler: These poor kids]] are so broken from their normal selves and loyal that they're willing to cut down even those close to them. They do ''everything'' because they still see Grima as [[spoiler: the parent they loved so dearly]], and yet despite how hard they try to give the cold shoulder, they just ''can't'' bring themselves to hurt the reminder of that. Seeing either of the [[spoiler: Morgans]] so utterly ruthless and different from their usual selves is tragic in itself, but seeing that remnant of them still in there is just heartbreaking.
*** After slaying [[spoiler:Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'', [[spoiler:the Avatar's last words are to apologize to Morgan for putting them through so much pain and finally expressing gratitude that s/he is [[DyingAsYourself finally free from Grima]].]]
** Heck, the Future Past version of Avatar in general, from sending Chrom and party back to their world with little control they have left in fear that s/he might end up killing Chrom again to pleading with the Future Past version children to end their misery while they still can.
*** There is one blink-and-miss moment, as [[spoiler:Lucina strikes Grima down with the Exalted Falchion, where [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration the latter's map sprite turns green]]. Knowing that green units are addressed as NPC ''allies'' in-game, this means that the Avatar was able to regain control of their own body, and for the sole purpose of [[HeroicSacrifice voluntarily giving up their life to help the children end their despair and finally be at peace]].]]

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** One of the subtler, but absolutely one of the most heartwrenching things from the maps, comes in the form of the boss characters of the first two Future Past maps. Who are they? [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The two versions of Morgan, your character's normally eccentric, dorky, and lovable child.]] And they have absolutely no qualms about attacking the kids, who might even be [[spoiler: their [[spoiler:their siblings or ''parents'' depending on who was married.]] married]]. Think about it - Consider — consider how both of them are otherwise. They've been broken ''this'' much, enough for them to ruthlessly serve and slaughter under Grima.
*** Continuing on, you don't have to take them down. You can get them to retreat by [[spoiler: just [[spoiler:just positioning your Avatar next to them, and regardless of which one it is, they'll show regret and retreat. The Morgan of your Avatar's gender only shows sadness before warping away, which is sad on its own, but the one you can recruit gets a full conversation. They try as hard as they can to tear down every point or gesture your tactician makes towards them, being as dismissive and cold as possible and reaffirming their faith in Grima, until your character hands them a book - One — one of their favorite strategy books. Morgan tries to intimidate them by bringing up the possibility of it being used against them, but the Avatar just says they know they won't, because they remind them of "Someone very special to [them].", and then leaves and tells them they're glad they got to talk. Then we get this from Morgan:]]
---> '''[[spoiler:Morgan]]:''' ''.....I already have this book. You gave it to me long ago. The notes and dog-ears are all exactly the same. ...I can't do it. I can't keep fighting. Up until now, my faith was unshakable. I was ready to kill my own friends... But I cannot strike down [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the kind and gentle mother/father I once knew...]] Forgive me, Master Grima. I must withdraw... I remain your servant and am ready to accept any punishment you see fit.''
*** To put it into perspective - [[spoiler: These — [[spoiler:these poor kids]] are so broken from their normal selves and loyal that they're willing to cut down even those close to them. They do ''everything'' because they still see Grima as [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the parent they loved so dearly]], and yet despite how hard they try to give the cold shoulder, they just ''can't'' bring themselves to hurt the reminder of that. Seeing either of the [[spoiler: Morgans]] [[spoiler:Morgans]] act so utterly ruthless and different from their usual selves is tragic in itself, but seeing that remnant of them still in there is just heartbreaking.
*** After slaying [[spoiler:Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'', [[spoiler:the Avatar's last words are to apologize to Morgan for putting them through so much pain and finally expressing gratitude that s/he is [[DyingAsYourself finally free from Grima]].]]
Grima]]]].
** Heck, the Future Past version of Avatar in general, from sending Chrom and party back to their world with what little control they have left in fear that s/he might end up killing Chrom again to pleading with the Future Past version children to end their misery while they still can.
*** There is one blink-and-miss blink-and-miss-it moment, as [[spoiler:Lucina strikes Grima down with the Exalted Falchion, where [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration the latter's map sprite turns green]]. Knowing that green units are addressed as NPC ''allies'' in-game, this means that the Avatar was able to regain control of their own body, and for the sole purpose of [[HeroicSacrifice voluntarily giving up their life to help the children end their despair and finally be at peace]].]]peace]]]].



--->'''Lucina:''' [[spoiler:You needn't tell me how much I hate you... I...LOATHE you... But... If you were really Grima, why would you seek your own demise... And why does your voice now seem so...so painfully familiar? You're a human, aren't you--a person, like us? Grima is using you to--]]
--->'''[[spoiler:Grima/Avatar]]:''' [[spoiler:...[[ThatManIsDead I am Grima]]! There is nothing human about me!]]

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--->'''Lucina:''' [[spoiler:You needn't tell me how much I hate you... I...LOATHE you... But... If you were really Grima, why would you seek your own demise... And why does your voice now seem so... so painfully familiar? You're a human, aren't you--a you — a person, like us? Grima is using you to--]]
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--->'''[[spoiler:Grima/Avatar]]:''' [[spoiler:...[[ThatManIsDead I am Grima]]! Grima!]] There is nothing human about me!]]



*** The full script for it can be found [[http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/The_Future_Past_3/Script#At_Least_Lucina_Survives here]]. Beware of huge spoilers and massive heartbreak. One can only assume that the writers were very determined to make the player use up an entire box of Kleenex. This dialogue becomes even worse if [[spoiler: the Avatar is the father of Gerome, Laurent, or Severa, since it means Grima has now forced the Avatar to kill their own child]].

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*** The full script for it can be found [[http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/The_Future_Past_3/Script#At_Least_Lucina_Survives here]]. Beware of huge spoilers and massive heartbreak. One can only assume that the writers were very determined to make the player use up an entire box of Kleenex. This dialogue becomes even worse if [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Avatar is the father of Gerome, Laurent, or Severa, since it means Grima has now forced the Avatar to kill their own child]].



** If [[spoiler: Vaike]] is [[spoiler: Nah]]'s father, she'll question to his face if she's truly the daughter of their parents. [[SurroundedByIdiots Not in the lieu you would normally expet from her]], but because she feels unworthy of being their daughter because she completely gave up hope of rescue or getting the gemstones to Ylisse, when her parents never gave up.
** If Libra is [[spoiler: Noire]]'s father, he approaches the [[spoiler: Noire]] from that place and tells her to praise Naga for this chance to meet. It turns out this [[spoiler: Noire]] is [[TookALevelInCynic deeply broken and embittered about the Gods]] and replies [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF06TFF1piw with a heartbreaking speech about it]].
-->Alternate![[spoiler: Noire]]: "It's always gods, gods, Gods with you! Why? The Gods don't care about you! You devoted your life to them, [[spoiler: and they let you die]]! Give thanks? [[RageAgainstTheHeavens I curse them every day]]! If they're so benevolent, why would they [[spoiler: let this world get so bad]]? And why would they [[spoiler: [[DisappearedDad take you away]] from us]]? You don't know what it was for [[spoiler: [[TroubledAbuser Mo]][[AbusiveParents ther]] and I]] having to fend for ourselves! And you have no idea what it was like for me when [[spoiler: your precious gods [[MissingMom took her away]]]] too!"
*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler: Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them.
* Chapter 10 is basically pure, condensed TearJerker in chapter form. As of [[WhamEpisode the previous chapter]], [[spoiler:your rescue mission was in vain, Emmeryn pulled a HeroicSuicide anyway, her [[TheLancer Lancer]] Phila is dead too, and Chrom is having a HeroicBSOD.]] Not only are you immediately greeted with a BattleInTheRain, but [[BGMOverride instead of the usual preparations theme]], you get [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxLcjA1BG_8 this.]] And then you begin the actual battle and [[SadBattleMusic are hit with]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIlEZjz_j8M THIS.]] As if it couldn't get any worse, ''none of the enemies actually want to fight you'', and [[AntiVillain the boss is one of the most sympathetic in the series.]] Ouch.

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** If [[spoiler: Vaike]] [[spoiler:Vaike]] is [[spoiler: Nah]]'s [[spoiler:Nah]]'s father, she'll question to his face if she's truly the daughter of their parents. [[SurroundedByIdiots Not in the lieu you would normally expet from her]], but because she feels unworthy of being their daughter because she completely gave up hope of rescue or getting the gemstones to Ylisse, when her parents never gave up.
** If Libra is [[spoiler: Noire]]'s [[spoiler:Noire]]'s father, he approaches the [[spoiler: Noire]] [[spoiler:Noire]] from that place and tells her to praise Naga for this chance to meet. It turns out this [[spoiler: Noire]] [[spoiler:Noire]] is [[TookALevelInCynic deeply broken and embittered about the Gods]] and replies [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF06TFF1piw with a heartbreaking speech about it]].
-->Alternate![[spoiler: Noire]]: -->Alternate![[spoiler:Noire]]: "It's always gods, gods, Gods with you! Why? The Gods don't care about you! You devoted your life to them, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and they let you die]]! Give thanks? [[RageAgainstTheHeavens I curse them every day]]! If they're so benevolent, why would they [[spoiler: let [[spoiler:let this world get so bad]]? And why would they [[spoiler: [[DisappearedDad [[spoiler:[[DisappearedDad take you away]] from us]]? You don't know what it was for [[spoiler: [[TroubledAbuser [[spoiler:[[TroubledAbuser Mo]][[AbusiveParents ther]] and I]] having to fend for ourselves! And you have no idea what it was like for me when [[spoiler: your [[spoiler:your precious gods [[MissingMom took her away]]]] too!"
*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler: Brady]]'s [[spoiler:Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them.
* Chapter 10 is basically pure, condensed TearJerker in chapter form. As of [[WhamEpisode the previous chapter]], [[spoiler:your rescue mission was in vain, Emmeryn pulled a HeroicSuicide anyway, her [[TheLancer Lancer]] Phila is dead too, and Chrom is having a HeroicBSOD.]] HeroicBSOD]]. Not only are you immediately greeted with a BattleInTheRain, but [[BGMOverride instead of the usual preparations theme]], you get [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxLcjA1BG_8 this.]] And then you begin the actual battle and [[SadBattleMusic are hit with]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIlEZjz_j8M THIS.]] As if it couldn't get any worse, ''none of the enemies actually want to fight you'', and [[AntiVillain the boss is one of the most sympathetic in the series.]] Ouch.



** [[spoiler: It is also possible for the player to fail to save her in this Paralogue, and have her killed by the Grimleal. After the mission's conclusion, Chrom is naturally devastated at having to watch his sister be killed ''again''. This time, for real. It's as if the game itself is saying "Hey, player! How could you let that happen?! Are you ''that'' much of a terrible person?!"]].

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** [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It is also possible for the player to fail to save her in this Paralogue, and have her killed by the Grimleal. After the mission's conclusion, Chrom is naturally devastated at having to watch his sister be killed ''again''. This time, for real. It's as if the game itself is saying "Hey, player! How could you let that happen?! Are you ''that'' much of a terrible person?!"]].person?!".]]



* Many of the children's dialogue with their parents verges into this, given that [[spoiler:they're all from a BadFuture where ''the parents are all dead''.]] Some of the individual children have pretty depressing backstories too.
** [[spoiler:Lucina]] is hit the hardest by this. She just wants to spend time with her father, because [[spoiler:in her time, he died before she got a chance to know him.]]

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* Many of the children's dialogue with their parents verges into this, given that [[spoiler:they're all from a BadFuture where ''the parents are all dead''.]] dead'']]. Some of the individual children have pretty depressing backstories too.
** [[spoiler:Lucina]] is hit the hardest by this. She just wants to spend time with her father, because [[spoiler:in her time, he died before she got a chance to know him.]]him]].



*** Yeah, with Lon'qu as his dad, he had kept on following him, and when asked why, it was because in the future he's from, [[spoiler:Lon'qu left one day to fight...and didn't come back]].
*** Also sort of applies to anyone as his father. In at least the one with Ricken, Ricken realizes that the reason Yarne doesn't quite believe him when he says he'll never cheat on Panne is because the last conversation his future self ever had with the child Yarne was a promise to come back...and he obviously never did. Thus, Yarne associates him with a broken promise, and in their A support, Ricken promises to never leave him again.

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*** Yeah, with Lon'qu as his dad, he had kept on following him, and when asked why, it was because in the future he's from, [[spoiler:Lon'qu left one day to fight... and didn't come back]].
*** Also sort of applies to anyone as his father. In at least the one with Ricken, Ricken realizes that the reason Yarne doesn't quite believe him when he says he'll never cheat on Panne is because the last conversation his future self ever had with the child Yarne was a promise to come back... and he obviously never did. Thus, Yarne associates him with a broken promise, and in their A support, Ricken promises to never leave him again.



-->"In the future, you used me as a guinea pig. You subjected me to all kinds of nasty curses on a day-to-day basis! [[spoiler:But when it mattered, you used your magic [[HeroicSacrifice to sacrifice yourself]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath and...save me]].]] [[PleaseDontLeaveMe But try to leave me again, and I’ll hex you back a hundredfold!" ]]

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-->"In the future, you used me as a guinea pig. You subjected me to all kinds of nasty curses on a day-to-day basis! [[spoiler:But when it mattered, you used your magic [[HeroicSacrifice to sacrifice yourself]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath and... save me]].]] [[PleaseDontLeaveMe But try to leave me again, and I’ll hex you back a hundredfold!" ]]hundredfold!"]]



** Severa completely dissociates herself from most people because she's afraid of getting her emotions betrayed after watching her father and "perfect" mother promise to come back...and never fulfill it. Because of the association with the latter, she also takes failure really, really hard.

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** Severa completely dissociates herself from most people because she's afraid of getting her emotions betrayed after watching her father and "perfect" mother promise to come back... and never fulfill it. Because of the association with the latter, she also takes failure really, really hard.



** Owain's supports with his father reveal that [[spoiler:his father was killed protecting him in a battle.]] This applies [[spoiler: even when the Avatar is his father]].

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** Owain's supports with his father reveal that [[spoiler:his father was killed protecting him in a battle.]] battle]]. This applies [[spoiler: even [[spoiler:even when the Avatar is his father]].



*** In the case of a female Morgan with and older sibling[[spoiler:, her older sibling will admit how it hurts that they're pretty much a complete stranger to their younger sister [[PromotionToParent when they raised her in place of their late parents.]] In the support, both of them become conflicted over retrieving her lost memories as well: Morgan believes it may be impossible and not worth it when the strain from the attempts to regain her her memory horrify her older sibling, while the sibling worries the memory loss was caused by something extremely traumatizing for her.]]

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*** In the case of a female Morgan with and an older sibling[[spoiler:, her older sibling will admit how it hurts that they're pretty much a complete stranger to their younger sister [[PromotionToParent when they raised her in place of their late parents.]] parents]]. In the support, both of them become conflicted over retrieving her lost memories as well: Morgan believes it may be impossible and not worth it when the strain from the attempts to regain her her memory horrify her older sibling, while the sibling worries the memory loss was caused by something extremely traumatizing for her.]]



** Laurent's father struggles to relate with his son and ends up learning that [[spoiler:Laurent got separated from the others and ended up three years farther in the past. He was all alone for ''five years''. He even says there were times when he felt like he'd end up dying alone.]] And stepping on an event tile reveals that [[spoiler:his mother Miriel's body was never recovered]].

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** Laurent's father struggles to relate with his son and ends up learning that [[spoiler:Laurent got separated from the others and ended up three years farther in the past. He was all alone for ''five years''. He even says there were times when he felt like he'd end up dying alone.]] alone]]. And stepping on an event tile reveals that [[spoiler:his mother Miriel's body was never recovered]].



* InUniverse example: Panne's backstory reduces Ricken to tears and he fully acknowledges that her life would have been so much better if not for what humans did to her people. She's moved by the fact that he's the first human to ever shed tears over what happened to her.
* Say'ri and Yen'fay, [[spoiler:two siblings that never understood each other until one or the other dies. In the main storyline, Yen'fay joined Walhart's army to protect Say'ri and died for it, bonus points if [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Say'ri herself was the attacker]]. In the BadFuture, it was Yen'fay who survived, Say'ri was killed, and his self-esteem is shot because of his failure to protect her.]] [[SurvivorGuilt Yeah.]]

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* InUniverse example: Panne's backstory reduces Ricken to tears tears, and he fully acknowledges that her life would have been so much better if not for what humans did to her people. She's moved by the fact that he's the first human to ever shed tears over what happened to her.
* Say'ri and Yen'fay, [[spoiler:two siblings that never understood each other until one or the other dies. In the main storyline, Yen'fay joined Walhart's army to protect Say'ri and died for it, it: bonus points if [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Say'ri herself was the attacker]]. In the BadFuture, it was Yen'fay who survived, Say'ri was killed, and his self-esteem is shot because of his failure to protect her.]] [[SurvivorGuilt Yeah.]]



* After Chapter 21, [[spoiler:Lucina]] confronts the Avatar and reveals that [[spoiler:[[EtTuBrute he/she was the one who murdered Chrom in the Bad Future timeline]]]]. Even if it's not the Avatar's own free will, there's still possibility that he/she is [[spoiler:Validar's]] mind controlled ManchurianAgent. In order to prevent Chrom's death from happening in this timeline, she has to kill you before you kill Chrom. You are even given the option to accept [[spoiler:Lucina's]] judgement or not.
** If you [[FaceDeathWithDignity accept her judgment]] and are married to [[spoiler:Lucina]], you'll also remind her that your life had always been hers and you would gladly give your life for Chrom and especially for her. All you ask in return is that she'll find someone else who will take care of her so she won't ever be alone. [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy All you want for her is to be happy]]. Immediately afterwards, [[spoiler:Lucina]] has a [[WhatHaveIBecome "My Gods, What Am I Doing?"]] moment of what was she about to do and exclaims that [[HeartwarmingMoments she can't do it because she loves you too much]]. She then quickly apologizes and asks for your forgiveness.

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* After Chapter 21, [[spoiler:Lucina]] confronts the Avatar and reveals that [[spoiler:[[EtTuBrute he/she was the one who murdered Chrom in the Bad Future timeline]]]]. Even if it's not the Avatar's own free will, there's still possibility that he/she is [[spoiler:Validar's]] mind controlled mind-controlled ManchurianAgent. In order to prevent Chrom's death from happening in this timeline, she has to kill you before you kill Chrom. You are even given the option to accept [[spoiler:Lucina's]] judgement or not.
** If you [[FaceDeathWithDignity accept her judgment]] and are married to [[spoiler:Lucina]], you'll also remind her that your life had always been hers and you would gladly give your life for Chrom and especially for her. All you ask in return is that she'll find someone else who will take care of her so she won't ever be alone. [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy All you want for her is to be happy]]. happy.]] Immediately afterwards, [[spoiler:Lucina]] has a [[WhatHaveIBecome "My Gods, What Am I Doing?"]] moment of what was she about to do and exclaims that [[HeartwarmingMoments she can't do it because she loves you too much]]. She then quickly apologizes and asks for your forgiveness.



** The conversation with the Male Avatar and Lucina, if they're married, goes similar to the above. He starts talking about how he hopes they'll still be "sneaking off" when they're [[GrowOldWithMe old and gray]], and she sadly says it's likely impossible, as she'll have to return to her own timeline--and even if she can't, she just doesn't see how she can stay with him, since he's Chrom's tactician and she can't stay with Chrom. Unlike the example above, though, the conversation then takes a turn for the [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]], as the Male Avatar promises her that he'll always stay by her side and find a way to make things work out--and she believes him.
* Chrom and Lucina's A Support conversation, which is the first (or second) time she [[spoiler:ever gets to have her father comfort her.]]

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** The conversation with the Male Avatar and Lucina, if they're married, goes similar to the above. He starts talking about how he hopes they'll still be "sneaking off" when they're [[GrowOldWithMe old and gray]], and she sadly says it's likely impossible, as she'll have to return to her own timeline--and timeline -- and even if she can't, she just doesn't see how she can stay with him, since he's Chrom's tactician and she can't stay with Chrom. Unlike the example above, though, the conversation then takes a turn for the [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]], as the Male Avatar promises her that he'll always stay by her side and find a way to make things work out--and out -- and she believes him.
* Chrom and Lucina's A Support conversation, which is the first (or second) time she [[spoiler:ever gets to have her father comfort her.]]her]].



*** Which is [[{{jossed}} actually answered]] in The Future Past 2 if he is married to Tharja. When he speaks to Noire, she thinks he is a trick because he isn't afraid of her, to which he responds. "Why would I be afraid of my own daughter?" Makes sense, as romantic and familiar love are in ''very'' different levels, and believing that Lon'qu would be afraid of a girl he fathered brings up some... bad ideas about not understanding this.
*** Also answered in the case that he fathers Nah. The difference being that Nah lost her parents at a young age and only recognizes him through pictures. What puts this into tearjerker territory is him saying how surprised he is to feel happy around his daughter instead of feeling afraid. Yes, he doesn't seem to mind having a daughter, but that doesn't mean the worry that his issues would interfering with being a father didn't ever cross his mind.

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*** Which is [[{{jossed}} [[{{Jossed}} actually answered]] in The Future Past 2 if he is married to Tharja. When he speaks to Noire, she thinks he is a trick because he isn't afraid of her, to which he responds. "Why would I be afraid of my own daughter?" Makes sense, as romantic and familiar love are in ''very'' different levels, and believing that Lon'qu would be afraid of a girl he fathered brings up some... bad ideas about not understanding this.
*** Also answered in the case that he fathers Nah. The difference being that Nah lost her parents at a young age and only recognizes him through pictures. What puts this into tearjerker territory is him saying how surprised he is to feel happy around his daughter instead of feeling afraid. Yes, he doesn't seem to mind having a daughter, but that doesn't mean the worry that his issues would interfering interfere with being a father didn't ever cross his mind.



* The whole idea of the Einherjar is pretty depressing when you think about it. They're spirits of past FE characters summoned through cards... that don't even seem to be aware that they aren't real. They fight battles against each other in the Outrealm without knowing ''why'', and believe they are actually fighting for a just cause when it's all really just an illusion. Frederick sums it up nicely if you have him talk to Celica.

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* The whole idea of the Einherjar is pretty depressing when you think about it. They're spirits of past FE ''FE'' characters summoned through cards... that don't even seem to be aware that they aren't real. They fight battles against each other in the Outrealm without knowing ''why'', and believe they are actually fighting for a just cause when it's all really just an illusion. Frederick sums it up nicely if you have him talk to Celica.



** Somewhat subverted in that ''Rogues and Redeemers 3'', Elincia explicitly states that it felt like she has fought the Shepherds before (which she clearly has), possibly hinting that some of the Einherjar retain memories to some degree.
** Bonus points go to Lyn, who in her DLC recruitment conversation, suspects that the Avatar is the tactician from Blazing Sword. Picking the right dialog choices can convince her, and she's so happy to be reunited with them... Then she joins your army, and never speaks another word or shows any emotion or personality.

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** Somewhat subverted in that in ''Rogues and Redeemers 3'', Elincia explicitly states that it felt like she has fought the Shepherds before (which she clearly has), possibly hinting that some of the Einherjar retain memories to some degree.
** Bonus points go to Lyn, who in her DLC recruitment conversation, suspects that the Avatar is the tactician from Blazing Sword.''Blazing Sword''. Picking the right dialog choices can convince her, and she's so happy to be reunited with them... Then she joins your army, and never speaks another word or shows any emotion or personality.



* Speaking of Hot Spring Scramble and [[spoiler:Emmeryn]], she can talk to both Chrom and Lissa on the same map. During these conversations, Lissa mentions how sad she and Chrom were after [[spoiler:Emmeryn's HeroicSacrifice]] and how she herself [[spoiler: had wished to be dead just to be with her sister]]. She also mentions that when [[spoiler:Emmeryn was found alive after all]], Chrom of all people [[spoiler:cried tears of happiness and prayed to Naga, thanking her]].

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* Speaking of Hot Spring Scramble and [[spoiler:Emmeryn]], she can talk to both Chrom and Lissa on the same map. During these conversations, Lissa mentions how sad she and Chrom were after [[spoiler:Emmeryn's HeroicSacrifice]] and how she herself [[spoiler: had [[spoiler:had wished to be dead just to be with her sister]]. She also mentions that when [[spoiler:Emmeryn was found alive after all]], Chrom of all people [[spoiler:cried tears of happiness and prayed to Naga, thanking her]].



-->''"Oh, I'm so happy! I've always wanted a husband! Think of all the centuries--uh, [[WeAreAsMayflies years]] we'll have!"''

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-->''"Oh, I'm so happy! I've always wanted a husband! Think of all the centuries--uh, centuries -- uh, [[WeAreAsMayflies years]] we'll have!"''



* Gregor and Tharja's A support, where Gregor [[spoiler: asks Tharja to help him contact the spirit of his dead brother. It turns out Gregor took the name of the brother he'd failed to protect from bandits, and the reason her curses didn't work on him was that the dead Gregor still had unfinished business. Gregor ''cries'' while begging his brother's forgiveness for being unable to save him, and afterwards Tharja is ''too tired'' to steal his soul like she'd said she would]]. Also counts as MoodWhiplash since their C and B supports were played for comedy, with her annoyed by his constant attempts at conversation.

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* Gregor and Tharja's A support, where Gregor [[spoiler: asks [[spoiler:asks Tharja to help him contact the spirit of his dead brother. It turns out Gregor took the name of the brother he'd failed to protect from bandits, and the reason her curses didn't work on him was that the dead Gregor still had unfinished business. Gregor ''cries'' while begging his brother's forgiveness for being unable to save him, and afterwards Tharja is ''too tired'' to steal his soul like she'd said she would]]. Also counts as MoodWhiplash since their C and B supports were played for comedy, with her annoyed by his constant attempts at conversation.



* The [[spoiler:Sacrifice]] ending, while awesome [[spoiler: and the Avatar does get better, at that point everyone thought that the Avatar '''is''' KilledOffForReal]].
** That same ending is even more tearjerking if the Avatar is married to Chrom. [[spoiler:''Chrom is watching his very own wife literally die before his eyes.'' It's even worse if you take in to account that Chrom (and Lucina) must have been absolutely heartbroken (especially after the promises they made to stay together), and mourning for Grima-knows-how-long before finding the Avatar again in the final cutscene.]] And even if s/he isn't married to Chrom, it's still [[spoiler: the second time he's had to watch somebody important to him [[NotAfraidToDie knowingly and willingly]] go to their death - even if it ''is'' [[WhatIsOneMansLifeInComparison for the greater good]] - without being able to do anything to stop it.]]

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* The [[spoiler:Sacrifice]] ending, while awesome [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and the Avatar does get better, at that point everyone thought that the Avatar '''is''' KilledOffForReal]].
** That same ending is even more tearjerking if the Avatar is married to Chrom. [[spoiler:''Chrom is watching his very own wife literally die before his eyes.'' It's even worse if you take in to account that Chrom (and Lucina) must have been absolutely heartbroken (especially after the promises they made to stay together), and mourning for Grima-knows-how-long before finding the Avatar again in the final cutscene.]] And even if s/he isn't married to Chrom, it's still [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the second time he's had to watch somebody important to him [[NotAfraidToDie knowingly and willingly]] go to their death - even if it ''is'' [[WhatIsOneMansLifeInComparison for the greater good]] - without being able to do anything to stop it.]]it]].



*** Similarily to example above, [[spoiler:sacrificing yourself]] is basically forcing [[spoiler:Cordelia]] to watch ''once again'' as [[spoiler:her comrade gives his/her life to let her live safely]]. This goes double if you married her to Avatar - [[spoiler:you helped her overcome her SurvivorGuilt, and now you too abandon her]]...
*** In fact, seeing [[spoiler:you sacrifice yourself]] has to be painful for an alarming number of characters, doubly so if they're your spouse. Lissa? [[spoiler:See Chrom's secton]]. Panne? [[spoiler:Has dealt with losing her entire species. If you marry her, you vow to be her new family, and now you're leaving her, too.]] Gregor? [[spoiler:Felt so guilty over his brother's death that he discarded his own name.]] Nowi? [[spoiler:Has been alone for a millenium, and is now losing you well before she hoped for.]] Ditto for Tiki, who has the additional pain of [[spoiler:already having lost all of her old companions]]. Libra? [[spoiler:Abandoned by his parents and the SoleSurvivor of his group of fellow monks]]. Say'ri? [[spoiler:Still dealing with the loss of her brother and learning of his sacrifice.]] Henry? [[spoiler:Had his surrogate parent killed when she tried to visit him and is all sorts of unstable.]] Literally any of the child characters? [[spoiler:Have lived through a BadFuture where their parents all died. Whether they're your child or your spouse, you're putting them through the trauma of losing their loved one again.]] And how about those [[spoiler:Spot Pass characters]]? [[spoiler:You give Gangrel and Aversa hope that they can change. With Yen'fay, you give him something to live for besides acting as a living weapon atoning for the death of his sister.]]
*** In a HarsherInHindsight way, Lucina, not too long ago, [[spoiler: wanted to kill the Avatar in order to prevent Chrom's death and her bad future. She relents because she was convinced that everyone's bonds would win out in the end of it all. Come to this moment and the Avatar sacrifices themself in order to permanently kill Grima. So in the end, the Avatar still died to save Chrom, their friends and family, and the world. It's even worse if you accepted Lucina's judgement because in a way, the Avatar has already confirmed that they will lay their life for the people that they love, regardless if Lucina has a relationship with them or not. If the Avatar was her mother, then Lucina traveled back in time to save her father, but then sees her mother die before her. And the Avatar was her husband, then Lucina fell in love with a man who she pointed her sword at to save his best friend and her father, only to have him die for both of them later.]] Lucina just doesn't get a break no matter what timeline she's in.
*** Consider Cordelia, Lissa, and Olivia whose children from the future disappear to show up in Fire Emblem: Fates what seems like only recently after Awakening's ending. [[spoiler: If they're married to the Avatar it's possible, nay probable that their children left before he was found, leaving them, for a time, completely alone but for a daughter they know little about and that can't remember them.]]
*** And then that brings up that [[spoiler: the only parent Morgan can remember is gone and they're left alone and alienated with a family they know next to nothing about.]]

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*** Similarily to example above, [[spoiler:sacrificing yourself]] is basically forcing [[spoiler:Cordelia]] to watch ''once again'' as [[spoiler:her comrade gives his/her life to let her live safely]]. This goes double if you married her to Avatar - [[spoiler:you helped her overcome her SurvivorGuilt, and now you too abandon her]]...
*** In fact, seeing [[spoiler:you sacrifice yourself]] has to be painful for an alarming number of characters, doubly so if they're your spouse. Lissa? [[spoiler:See Chrom's secton]]. section.]] Panne? [[spoiler:Has dealt with losing her entire species. If you marry her, you vow to be her new family, and now you're leaving her, too.]] Gregor? [[spoiler:Felt so guilty over his brother's death that he discarded his own name.]] Nowi? [[spoiler:Has been alone for a millenium, and is now losing you well before she hoped for.]] Ditto for Tiki, who has the additional pain of [[spoiler:already having lost all of her old companions]]. Libra? [[spoiler:Abandoned by his parents and the SoleSurvivor of his group of fellow monks]]. monks.]] Say'ri? [[spoiler:Still dealing with the loss of her brother and learning of his sacrifice.]] Henry? [[spoiler:Had his surrogate parent killed when she tried to visit him and is all sorts of unstable.]] Literally any of the child characters? [[spoiler:Have lived through a BadFuture where their parents all died. Whether they're your child or your spouse, you're putting them through the trauma of losing their loved one again.]] And how about those [[spoiler:Spot Pass characters]]? [[spoiler:You give Gangrel and Aversa hope that they can change. With Yen'fay, you give him something to live for besides acting as a living weapon atoning for the death of his sister.]]
*** In a HarsherInHindsight way, Lucina, not too long ago, [[spoiler: wanted [[spoiler:wanted to kill the Avatar in order to prevent Chrom's death and her bad future. She relents because she was convinced that everyone's bonds would win out in the end of it all. Come to this moment and the Avatar sacrifices themself in order to permanently kill Grima. So in the end, the Avatar still died to save Chrom, their friends and family, and the world. It's even worse if you accepted Lucina's judgement because in a way, the Avatar has already confirmed that they will lay down their life for the people that they love, regardless if Lucina has a relationship with them or not. If the Avatar was her mother, then Lucina traveled back in time to save her father, but then sees her mother die before her. And if the Avatar was her husband, then Lucina fell in love with a man who she pointed her sword at to save his best friend and her father, only to have him die for both of them later.]] Lucina just doesn't get a break no matter what timeline she's in.
*** Consider Cordelia, Lissa, and Olivia Olivia, whose children from the future disappear to show up in Fire Emblem: Fates what seems like only recently after Awakening's ending. [[spoiler: If [[spoiler:If they're married to the Avatar Avatar, it's possible, nay nay, probable that their children left before he was found, leaving them, for a time, completely alone but for a daughter they know little about and that can't remember them.]]
*** And then that brings up that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the only parent Morgan can remember is gone and they're left alone and alienated with a family they know next to nothing about.]]about]].



* In chapter 10, after Tharja joins [[spoiler: and Emmeryn dies]], have her kill someone and she'll say, "You deserved worse." Just a kill quote, but very fitting.

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* In chapter 10, after Tharja joins [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and Emmeryn dies]], have her kill someone and she'll say, "You deserved worse." Just a kill quote, but very fitting.



* [[spoiler: Emmeryn's]] ending is pretty melancholy. [[spoiler:She never regains her memories, and goes to live in Regna Ferox as a normal woman. Consider that she became Exalt at the age of nine, in control of a country full of people who hated her and threw things at her as she tried to make things right... it's nice that she finally gets a break, but it's still sad.]]

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* [[spoiler: Emmeryn's]] [[spoiler:Emmeryn's]] ending is pretty melancholy. [[spoiler:She never regains her memories, and goes to live in Regna Ferox as a normal woman. Consider that she became Exalt at the age of nine, in control of a country full of people who hated her and threw things at her as she tried to make things right... it's nice that she finally gets a break, but it's still sad.]]



* The Infinite Regalia DLC map. Put the first generation characters on the front lines, and they'll make comments about how the Deadlords seem to have been great warriors that they regret having to fight. But put the children first, and their comments take on an even more depressing and horrifying implications that [[spoiler: the Deadlords are alternate versions of their parents, turned into Risen enemies. While Kjelle will comment she has little will to fight, and Gerome says that Minerva's reaction reminds him of when his parents died, you also get Lucina noticing the brand of Naga on one of the Deadlords, or Yarne sensing a taguel among them. Then there's Tiki's battle quote, which stops ''just'' short of outright saying it:]]
--> [[spoiler:Tiki: "I... know you. That grisly guise you wear is not enough to blind me. You died to protect something. Will you now destroy it? Then know I will stop you—to honor your last wish and defend the children."]]

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* The Infinite Regalia DLC map. Put the first generation characters on the front lines, and they'll make comments about how the Deadlords seem to have been great warriors that they regret having to fight. But put the children first, and their comments take on an even more depressing and horrifying implications that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Deadlords are alternate versions of their parents, turned into Risen enemies. While Kjelle will comment she has little will to fight, and Gerome says that Minerva's reaction reminds him of when his parents died, you also get Lucina noticing the brand of Naga on one of the Deadlords, or Yarne sensing a taguel among them. Then there's Tiki's battle quote, which stops ''just'' short of outright saying it:]]
--> [[spoiler:Tiki: "I... know you. That grisly guise you wear is not enough to blind me. You died to protect something. Will you now destroy it? Then know I will stop you—to you — to honor your last wish and defend the children."]]



** Kellam's ending is quite depressing. If married, the ending slide is wife's solo ending but with 'her husband's name is lost to history' tacked on the end. The worst combo is with Tharja, because her solo ending states that she went back to Plegia and obsessed over the Avatar for the rest of her life. So Kellam would play second-fiddle to the Avatar in his own marriage! His solo ending is worse though, because he leaves the Shepherds to travel, and his friends don't even notice he's gone for ''years''.
* In Tharja and Nowi's supports, Nowi asks Tharja if she can find her parents using dark magic. Tharja eventually replies that they are in an unidentified land, far, far away. [[spoiler: When in fact, Nowi's parents have been dead for centuries.]]
* In his solo ending, it's implied that Henry [[spoiler: kills himself]].

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** Kellam's ending is quite depressing. If married, the ending slide is his wife's solo ending but with 'her husband's name is lost to history' tacked on the end. The worst combo is with Tharja, because her solo ending states that she went back to Plegia and obsessed over the Avatar for the rest of her life. So Kellam would play second-fiddle to the Avatar in his own marriage! His solo ending is worse worse, though, because he leaves the Shepherds to travel, and his friends don't even notice he's gone for ''years''.
* In Tharja and Nowi's supports, Nowi asks Tharja if she can find her parents using dark magic. Tharja eventually replies that they are in an unidentified land, far, far away. [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When in fact, Nowi's parents have been dead for centuries.]]
* In his solo ending, it's implied that Henry [[spoiler: kills [[spoiler:kills himself]].



--> ''[[YouCantGoHomeAgain "Which way...is home...”]]''

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--> ''[[YouCantGoHomeAgain "Which way...is home...”]]''"]]''



* In the end credits, if you're playing in Classic Mode and managed to lose any units (that are [[MenAreTheExpendableGender male]] anyway), then the game will try to make you feel bad as instead of displaying their endings, their portrait will be greyed out and in red text will simply read "'''Died: *insert name of location here*'''". This can be a pretty hefty PlayerPunch if you've grown attached to that character and even worse if you're playing in Lunatic mode and couldn't do anything to save them or lost a lot of characters. All you'll see is a long list of greyed out portraits. If you ever needed a good motivation to [[SaveScumming save scum]] in Classic mode, this would be it.

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* In the end credits, if you're playing in Classic Mode and managed to lose any units (that are [[MenAreTheExpendableGender male]] anyway), then the game will try to make you feel bad as instead of displaying their endings, their portrait will be greyed out and in red text will simply read "'''Died: *insert name of location here*'''". This can be a pretty hefty PlayerPunch if you've grown attached to that character character, and even worse if you're playing in Lunatic mode and couldn't do anything to save them or lost a lot of characters. All you'll see is a long list of greyed out portraits. If you ever needed a good motivation to [[SaveScumming save scum]] in Classic mode, this would be it.
17th Nov '17 9:00:10 PM OrangenChan
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* Lost Bloodlines 3 in particular is surprisingly tragic, as just as the two armies, previously warring, have begun to understand each other and team up, [[ShootTheDog you have to kill them both for their own good.]] In parts 1 and 2, you were trying to stop an ongoing war, so it made sense what you were doing. But this time, ''you'' are the only aggressors. It's a pure ShootTheDog situation. [[WhatTheHellPlayer And most of the opponents chastise you for causing more bloodshed, which is now entirely ''your'' fault.]] If you've played any of the earlier games and become attached to the legacy characters, it's even worse. Be sure to expect this scenario in Smash Brethren 3 and Rogues & Redeemers 3.

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* Lost Bloodlines 3 in particular is surprisingly tragic, as just as the two armies, previously warring, have begun to understand each other and team up, [[ShootTheDog you have to kill them both for their own good.]] In parts 1 and 2, you were trying to stop an ongoing war, so it made sense what you were doing. But this time, ''you'' are the only aggressors. It's a pure ShootTheDog situation. [[WhatTheHellPlayer And most of the opponents chastise you for causing more bloodshed, which is now entirely ''your'' YOUR fault.]] If you've played any of the earlier games and become attached to the legacy characters, it's even worse. Be sure to expect this scenario in Smash Brethren 3 and Rogues & Redeemers 3.


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*** And either way, the fact that the Shepherds hardly ever notice him becomes a FunnyAneurysmMoment after you learn that ''his own family'' ignored him on purpose.
27th Jun '17 1:35:32 AM Gravityman
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*** The full script for it can be found [[http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/The_Future_Past_3/Script#At_Least_Lucina_Survives here]]. Beware of huge spoilers and massive heartbreak. One can only assume that the writers were very determined to make the player use up an entire box of Kleenex.

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*** The full script for it can be found [[http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/The_Future_Past_3/Script#At_Least_Lucina_Survives here]]. Beware of huge spoilers and massive heartbreak. One can only assume that the writers were very determined to make the player use up an entire box of Kleenex. This dialogue becomes even worse if [[spoiler: the Avatar is the father of Gerome, Laurent, or Severa, since it means Grima has now forced the Avatar to kill their own child]].


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*** This is also true if he's [[spoiler: Brady]]'s father. It's kind of shocking to see somebody that became a priest himself lose faith to the point of cursing the gods for abandoning them.
5th Jun '17 3:46:33 PM Thespian101
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* The Avatar's S-Support with Cordelia. It's hard to read it in any other way other than Cordelia is just ''settling'' for him because she knows Chrom won't love her back. That is, like Cordelia is willingly entering a, from her end, loveless marriage. She tries to pass the love confession off as a joke ("...Ah, I get it! Trying to get me back? Ha ha. Good one, Avatar!"), and on being given a ring ("Oh, heavens. It's... It's a ring.") even desperately seems to be trying to get out of it ("Why, Avatar... (line break) The thing is...") before she just accepts.

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* The Avatar's S-Support with Cordelia. It's hard to read it in any other way other than Cordelia is just ''settling'' for him because she knows Chrom won't love her back. That is, like Cordelia is willingly entering a, from her end, loveless marriage. She tries to pass the love confession off as a joke ("...Ah, I get it! Trying to get me back? Ha ha. Good one, Avatar!"), and on being given a ring ("Oh, heavens. It's... It's a ring.") even desperately seems to be trying to get out of it ("Why, Avatar... (line break) The thing is...") before she just accepts.accepts.
** Then again, neither Cordelia or the Avatar ever mention Chrom at any point in their supports, instead focusing on her SurvivorGuilt. It is, however, possible that Cordelia has developed a low self-esteem since the biggest crush she's ever had ended up going unrequited, so she may have thought that nobody could ever ''possibly'' love her romantically. With this in mind, her trying to pass it off as a joke sounds more like she simply doesn't believe this new person she's fallen in love with actually loves her back. She could simply be nervous and hesitant at first because she's terrified of pursuing a relationship with someone, because she genuinely can't picture herself being happy in love. If one reads it this way, the fact that she ecstatically accepts the Avatar's proposal means she managed to overcome that fear and took the chance at happiness, making it a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
2nd Apr '17 7:19:57 PM DoctorFlygon
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** One of the subtler, but still incredibly poignant ones, comes in the form of the boss characters first two Future Past maps. Who are they? [[spoiler: The two versions of Morgan, your character's normally eccentric, dorky, and lovable child.]] And they have absolutely no qualms about attacking the kids, who might even be [[spoiler: their siblings or ''parents'' depending on who was married.]] Think about it - Consider how both of them are otherwise. They've been broken ''this'' much, enough for them to ruthlessly serve and slaughter under Grima.

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** One of the subtler, but still incredibly poignant ones, absolutely one of the most heartwrenching things from the maps, comes in the form of the boss characters first two Future Past maps. Who are they? [[spoiler: The two versions of Morgan, your character's normally eccentric, dorky, and lovable child.]] And they have absolutely no qualms about attacking the kids, who might even be [[spoiler: their siblings or ''parents'' depending on who was married.]] Think about it - Consider how both of them are otherwise. They've been broken ''this'' much, enough for them to ruthlessly serve and slaughter under Grima.



*** To put it into perspective - [[spoiler: This kid]] is so broken and loyal that they're willing to cut down even those close to them. They do ''everything'' because they still see Grima as [[spoiler: the parent they loved so dearly]], and yet despite how hard they try to give the cold shoulder, they just ''can't'' bring themselves to hurt the reminder of the parent they loved. Seeing either of the [[spoiler: Morgans]] so utterly ruthless and different from their usual selves is tragic in itself, but seeing that remnant of them still in there is just heartbreaking.

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*** To put it into perspective - [[spoiler: This kid]] is These poor kids]] are so broken from their normal selves and loyal that they're willing to cut down even those close to them. They do ''everything'' because they still see Grima as [[spoiler: the parent they loved so dearly]], and yet despite how hard they try to give the cold shoulder, they just ''can't'' bring themselves to hurt the reminder of the parent they loved.that. Seeing either of the [[spoiler: Morgans]] so utterly ruthless and different from their usual selves is tragic in itself, but seeing that remnant of them still in there is just heartbreaking.
2nd Apr '17 7:17:46 PM DoctorFlygon
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** After slaying [[spoiler:Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'', [[spoiler:the Avatar's last words are to apologize to Morgan for putting them through so much pain and finally expressing gratitude that s/he is [[DyingAsYourself finally free from Grima]].]]

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** One of the subtler, but still incredibly poignant ones, comes in the form of the boss characters first two Future Past maps. Who are they? [[spoiler: The two versions of Morgan, your character's normally eccentric, dorky, and lovable child.]] And they have absolutely no qualms about attacking the kids, who might even be [[spoiler: their siblings or ''parents'' depending on who was married.]] Think about it - Consider how both of them are otherwise. They've been broken ''this'' much, enough for them to ruthlessly serve and slaughter under Grima.
*** Continuing on, you don't have to take them down. You can get them to retreat by [[spoiler: just positioning your Avatar next to them, and regardless of which one it is, they'll show regret and retreat. The Morgan of your Avatar's gender only shows sadness before warping away, which is sad on its own, but the one you can recruit gets a full conversation. They try as hard as they can to tear down every point or gesture your tactician makes towards them, being as dismissive and cold as possible and reaffirming their faith in Grima, until your character hands them a book - One of their favorite strategy books. Morgan tries to intimidate them by bringing up the possibility of it being used against them, but the Avatar just says they know they won't, because they remind them of "Someone very special to [them].", and then leaves and tells them they're glad they got to talk. Then we get this from Morgan:]]
---> '''[[spoiler:Morgan]]:''' ''.....I already have this book. You gave it to me long ago. The notes and dog-ears are all exactly the same. ...I can't do it. I can't keep fighting. Up until now, my faith was unshakable. I was ready to kill my own friends... But I cannot strike down [[spoiler: the kind and gentle mother/father I once knew...]] Forgive me, Master Grima. I must withdraw... I remain your servant and am ready to accept any punishment you see fit.''
*** To put it into perspective - [[spoiler: This kid]] is so broken and loyal that they're willing to cut down even those close to them. They do ''everything'' because they still see Grima as [[spoiler: the parent they loved so dearly]], and yet despite how hard they try to give the cold shoulder, they just ''can't'' bring themselves to hurt the reminder of the parent they loved. Seeing either of the [[spoiler: Morgans]] so utterly ruthless and different from their usual selves is tragic in itself, but seeing that remnant of them still in there is just heartbreaking.
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After slaying [[spoiler:Grima]] in ''The Future Past 3'', [[spoiler:the Avatar's last words are to apologize to Morgan for putting them through so much pain and finally expressing gratitude that s/he is [[DyingAsYourself finally free from Grima]].]]
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