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*** Bad End #38. Right after the CrowningMomentOfAwesome for Shirou that is [[spoiler:defeating Saber Alter single-handedly]] by going past his limits, the consequences of doing so hit and [[he's reduced to a vegetable that will never recover and is effectively dead]]. At this point narration switches to Saber, who contemplates his strength and what will come of his sacrifice.

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*** Bad End #38. Right after the CrowningMomentOfAwesome for Shirou that is [[spoiler:defeating Saber Alter single-handedly]] by going past his limits, the consequences of doing so hit and [[he's [[spoiler:he's reduced to a vegetable that will never recover and is effectively dead]]. At this point narration switches to Saber, who contemplates his strength and what will come of his sacrifice.
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*** Bad End #38. Right after the CrowningMomentOfAwesome for Shirou that is [[spoiler:defeating Saber Alter single-handedly]] by going past his limits, the consequences of doing so hit and [[he's reduced to a vegetable that will never recover and is effectively dead]]. At this point narration switches to Saber, who contemplates his strength and what will come of his sacrifice.
---> '''Saber (thinking):''' [[spoiler:The one whose limits held her back, and the one who went past his limits. The result is the one laying beside her. [...] Tohsaka Rin and Matou Sakura. No matter which one survived, the one who would bless them is no longer in this world.]]
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*** Archer is basically a walking TearJerker himself.
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* Anime episode 18 makes it appear that Rin has ''[[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to kill]]'' Sakura to prevent Caster using her to summon the Grail. She's left holding Sakura in her arms as the credits roll, and Sakura looks up at Rin and seems to be thanking her....
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I\'m pretty sure this is Natter, but to answer your question: perhaps from a purely clinical perspective it isn\'t unforgivable to defend yourself against someone trying to kill you, but the fact remains: she wasn\'t in control of hersdel;f


**** I'm not sure how killing Saber was "unforgiveable" when she was trying to kill ''him''. And, I don't see how it wasn't "worth it", either.
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*** And then the Last Episode goes out of its way to [[YouBastard tell you how much you lost]].
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** The Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that [[spoiler:you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] so soon after her CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears our of [[YouBastard you]].

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** *** The Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that [[spoiler:you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] so soon after her CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears our of [[YouBastard you]].
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** The Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that [[spoiler:you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] so soon after her CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears our of [[YouBastard you]].
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* FateZero (at least the animated adaption. Can't remember if it happened in the novel): Kariya Matou's farewell to Sakuya, after having just been infested by [[CompleteMonster Zouken's]] insects in an effort to prevent Sakuya from having to take part in the [[FateStayNight Fifth War]]. "It seems I've already lost a bit to the bugs inside me. I guess I'm not as strong as you..."
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* FateZero (at least the animated adaption. Can't remember if it happened in the novel): Kariya Matou's farewell to Sakuya, after having just been infested by [[CompleteMonster Zouken's]] insects in an effort to prevent Sakuya from having to take part in the [[FateStayNight Fifth War]]. "It seems I've already lost a bit to the bugs inside me. I guess I'm not as strong as you..."
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**** I'm not sure how killing Saber was "unforgiveable" when she was trying to kill ''him''. And, I don't see how it wasn't "worth it", either.

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*** What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you''
*** And dear god, nothing could prepare This Troper for what came next.

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*** *** And dear god, nothing could prepare This Troper for what came next. What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you''
*** And dear god, nothing could prepare This Troper for what came next.
you.'' Within it, Shirou reflects on the fact that he's just committed an unforgivable act that cannot be justified in any capacity, how he feels so bad about [[spoiler:killing Saber]] that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without [[spoiler:Sakura]] in it is incomprehensible to him.
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--->"Using my own hands, I killed someone who protected me until the very end ------

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--->"Using my own hands, hands, I killed someone who protected me until the very end ----------
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*** And dear god, nothing could prepare This Troper for what came next.
--->"Using my own hands, I killed someone who protected me until the very end ------
--->Neither regret nor a confession will bring forgiveness ..."
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*** [[spoiler:Shirou]] is ([[RoadCone possibly]]) '''[[HeroicSacrifice killed off]]''' in the finale: the TearJerker ending then sticks to and expands on this, showing the epilogue through [[spoiler:Sakura's]] eyes, as [[spoiler:she]] ages and watches everything change around [[spoiler:her]], remaining alone until the end... '''Needlessly and maliciously cruel.'''

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*** [[spoiler:Shirou]] is ([[RoadCone possibly]]) (possibly) '''[[HeroicSacrifice killed off]]''' in the finale: the TearJerker ending then sticks to and expands on this, showing the epilogue through [[spoiler:Sakura's]] eyes, as [[spoiler:she]] ages and watches everything change around [[spoiler:her]], remaining alone until the end... '''Needlessly and maliciously cruel.'''
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* Archer's HeroicSacrifice in the anime (and by extension, ''Fate''), staying behind with the intent to defeat Berserker (or at least take out some lives) while his Master, Shirou, and Saber flee. Even as he takes that beating, not once does he think to strike at Ilya (for ''very'' good reason, as it turns out ...), and when he finally fades away upon completely draining his mana ... God. Rin's reaction is already heartbreaking as she vows to not forgive Shirou and Saber if they get killed by Berserker; worse when the credits play and instead of the usual song we get "Hikari" as the ending theme. In the last moments, we get to see Archer's red cape disintegrating into light [[spoiler: to reveal the only thing left of him - the gemstone Rin used to save his life, back when he was still still Shirou Emiya and first got caught up in the war ...]]
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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she's]] helpless is just ''mean''. [[spoiler:Yet failure to do so would result in the '''[[HighOctaneNightmareFuel worst]]''' BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a personal lesson on what she suffered the past 11 years.]]

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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she's]] helpless is just ''mean''. [[spoiler:Yet failure to do so would result in triggers the '''[[HighOctaneNightmareFuel worst]]''' BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a personal lesson 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past 11 eleven years.]]
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***** The manga redition of this scene is arguably ''worse'': [[spoiler: rather than Caster protecting Kuzuki, it's the other way around as Kuzuki takes Archer's arrow and collapses, to Caster's shock and horror. As Caster starts crying, we get a whole look at Kuzuki's backstory before he dies, and we cut back to him telling her to keep fighting for her wish - Caster insists that her wish was to live a second life with Soichiro by her side, and breaks down completely when he breaths his last. When Archer cuts the sobbing Caster down, it feels more like ShootTheDog than KarmicDeath.]]
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****Rin (narrating): The boy who stated that he just doesn't want to see anyone cry... could only see crying humans forever. Tears.
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*** To add in, the UBW movie ending with Archer's final words to Rin with his 'Old Look' & smile back + Rin's promise to both Archer & Shirou + the ending theme song, ''[[CrowningMusicOfAwesome ~Voice ~Tadori Tsuku Basho~]]'' by Tainaka Sachi has this troper shedding ManlyTears even long after the movie ended. Well done, Tainaka-san & Nasu-san. Damnit.
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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she's]] helpless is just ''mean''.

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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she's]] helpless is just ''mean''. [[spoiler:Yet failure to do so would result in the '''[[HighOctaneNightmareFuel worst]]''' BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a personal lesson on what she suffered the past 11 years.]]
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*** The only ending (and a truly [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet]] one) for the Fate route is "Continuation of the Dream." [[spoiler: Having won the battle, Saber asks Shirou to let her fulfill her duty one final time, and he uses the last Command Spell to order Saber to destroy the Holy Grail.]] The last scene you see is the final moments of [[spoiler:Saber, ending her life as King Arthur. She speaks to Bedivire, talking about how she had a "pleasent dream" and when she finally passes away, just to drive the knife in, the last words are "Do you see it, King Arthur? The Continuation of the Dream?"]] Cue profound crying.

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*** The only ending (and a truly [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet]] one) for the Fate route is "Continuation of the Dream." [[spoiler: Having won the battle, Saber asks Shirou to let her fulfill her duty one final time, and he uses the last Command Spell to order Saber to destroy the Holy Grail.]] The last scene you see is the final moments of [[spoiler:Saber, ending her life as King Arthur. She speaks to Bedivire, talking about how she had a "pleasent "pleasant dream" and when she finally passes away, just to drive the knife in, the last words are "Do you see it, King Arthur? The Continuation of the Dream?"]] Cue profound crying.
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** ''Unlimited Blade Works''route:

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** ''Unlimited Blade Works''route: Works'' route:
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*** The ''Fate'' route had already established Ilya as a [[EnfanteTerrible homicidal, sociopathic]] {{loli}} and her Servant Berserker as a NighInvulnerable embodiment of madness and destruction... And then we come across Berserker desperately pressing forward into Gilgamesh's endless hail of swords in an attempt to shield his master. After a flashback revealing their bond in Ilya's backstory, [[spoiler:a now blinded, frightened, and dying Ilya slowly crawls across the floor]], calling out for her Servant for comfort; to fulfill his master's wish, [[spoiler:Berserker defies [[MagicAIsMagicA reality]] and forces his body to physically remain through sheer willpower, when even his mind ought to have disappeared. Upon feeling the touch of (dead) Berserker's stone foot, Ilya is reassured that he will protect her and loses consciousness hoping that he will pet her head when she wakes up. A moment later, Berserker's body begins to crumble to dust, and Gilgamesh rips out Ilya's heart]].

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*** The ''Fate'' route had already established Ilya as a [[EnfanteTerrible homicidal, sociopathic]] {{loli}} CreepyChild and her Servant Berserker as a NighInvulnerable embodiment of madness and destruction... And then we come across Berserker desperately pressing forward into Gilgamesh's endless hail of swords in an attempt to shield his master. After a flashback revealing their bond in Ilya's backstory, [[spoiler:a now blinded, frightened, and dying Ilya slowly crawls across the floor]], calling out for her Servant for comfort; to fulfill his master's wish, [[spoiler:Berserker defies [[MagicAIsMagicA reality]] and forces his body to physically remain through sheer willpower, when even his mind ought to have disappeared. Upon feeling the touch of (dead) Berserker's stone foot, Ilya is reassured that he will protect her and loses consciousness hoping that he will pet her head when she wakes up. A moment later, Berserker's body begins to crumble to dust, and Gilgamesh rips out Ilya's heart]].
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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she]]'s helpless is just ''mean''.

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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she]]'s [[spoiler:she's]] helpless is just ''mean''.
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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while she's helpless is just ''mean''.

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*** [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while she's [[spoiler:she]]'s helpless is just ''mean''.
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*** Addenum to the above: [[spoiler: He exchanged his freedom for power to save the people right then, right there. He thought he could continue doing what he always have been doing, but with more power. However, role of the Guardian is to clean up the mess after it's already too far gone, usually by eliminating whatever threat that caused the mess in the first place.. He felt that he ended up saving noone in the end, despite everything.]]
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*** The anime adaptation of that scene isn't much better, either, since now you have very sad music playing in the background. Damn you ''Sola'', damn you!

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*** The anime adaptation of that scene isn't much better, either, since now you have very sad music playing in the background. Damn you ''Sola'', ''La Sola'', damn you!



**** [[spoiler: "You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?…Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother."]] Fuck it, I bawled like a baby.

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**** [[spoiler: "You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?…Yeah.right?…[[MeaningfulEcho Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother.brother]]."]] Fuck it, I bawled like a baby.
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**** [[spoiler: "You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?…Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother."]] Fuck it, I bawled like a baby.

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