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** The kicker? There have been subtle hints during the show that Bruce's parents adored him and would've wanted him to be happy.

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** The kicker? There have been subtle hints during the show that Bruce's parents adored him and would've wanted him to be happy.happy, but he just can't see that.
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** A further twist of the knife: right before the bombs go off, Andrea tells Batman “Goodbye, my love” right in front of the Joker. Now, Joker knows Batman and Andrea were lovers at some point but obviously can’t be together now that Andrea is a murderer. And why is she a murderer? Because the Joker killed her father and set her on a path of obsessive revenge. The Joker ruined Batman’s best change at happiness and normalcy before they even knew each other. And what does he do seconds after he hears this revelation? He laughs hysterically.

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** A further twist of the knife: right before the bombs go off, Andrea tells Batman “Goodbye, my love” right in front of the Joker. Now, Joker knows Batman and Andrea were lovers at some point but obviously can’t be together now that Andrea is a murderer. And why is she a murderer? Because the Joker killed her father and set her on a path of obsessive revenge. The Joker ruined Batman’s best change chance at happiness and normalcy before they even knew each other. And what does he do seconds after he hears this revelation? He laughs hysterically.
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-->'''Alfred:''' I don't think she wanted to be saved, sir. Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against.]] You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.

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-->'''Alfred:''' I don't think she wanted to be saved, sir. Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against.]] You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.
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** The simple fact that Bruce has to ''apologize'' to his parents for no longer being in pain just makes it sad.

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** The simple fact that Bruce thinks he has to ''apologize'' to his parents for no longer being in pain just makes it sad.
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-->'''Joker:''' What are you doing?! Let me go or we'll both die!\\

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-->'''Joker:''' What are you doing?! You’re crazy! I’m your only chance to get out of here! Let me go or we'll both die!\\
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** A further twist of the knife: right before the bombs go off, Andrea tells Batman “Goodbye, my love” right in front of the Joker. Now, Joker knows Batman and Andrea were lovers at some point but obviously can’t be together now that Andrea is a murderer. And why is she a murderer? Because the Joker killed her father and set her on a path of obsessive revenge. The Joker ruined Batman’s best change at happiness and normalcy before they even knew each other. And what does he do seconds after he hears this revelation? He laughs hysterically.
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** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.

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** Though tie-in comics (and a DeletedScene) ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.

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* When Batman visits Andrea's penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him, but his mission and her revenge will never let them be together.
* After Andrea saves Bruce from being caught by the police, she explained what happened the night she left, and the two intend to make their relationship work again. After Andrea left the mansion, [[HopeSpot Bruce wonders if they can still have a future together]]. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be, when Bruce eventually discovers that Andrea is the Phantasm.



* The last two lines, which sum things up for both Batman and Andrea. "Do you wanna be alone?" "I am."
** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have taken Andrea back despite what she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls Andrea a murderer and Andrea doesn't care what he thinks of her.
* Bruce's despair at the end and Alfred's speech:
-->'''Alfred:''' I don't think she wanted to be saved, sir. Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against.]] You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.
* "I Never Even Told You" by Creator/TiaCarrere. Its lyrics in context with the film are heartbreaking.
-->I never even told you\\
I thought you knew



* When Batman visits Andrea's penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him, but his mission and her revenge will never let them be together.



* The kicker to all this? Batman wins ''nothing'' when all is said and done. The murder spree is over, but only because, well, the entire hit list is gone. Bruce gets his LostLenore back, only to lose her again, even more tragically. The Joker is (presumed) gone, with all the baggage ''that'' comes with. As far as we see, Batman doesn't even gather enough evidence to clear himself from the police. [[YankTheDogsChain Bruce's chain got yanked hard in this one.]]
** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.



* After Andrea saves Bruce from being caught by the police, she explained what happened the night she left, and the two intend to make their relationship work again. After Andrea left the mansion, [[HopeSpot Bruce wonders if they can still have a future together]]. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be, when Bruce eventually discovers that Andrea is the Phantasm.

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* After Bruce's despair at the end and Alfred's speech:
-->'''Alfred:''' I don't think she wanted to be saved, sir. Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against.]] You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. But
Andrea saves fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.
* The last two lines, which sum things up for both Batman and Andrea. "Do you wanna be alone?" "I am."
** What makes it worse is that, in the end,
Bruce from being caught by the police, she explained what happened the night she left, and the two intend to make their relationship work again. After ''would'' have taken Andrea left back despite what she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the mansion, [[HopeSpot tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce wonders if they can still have a future together]]. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be, when Bruce eventually discovers that calls Andrea a murderer and Andrea doesn't care what he thinks of her.
* The kicker to all this? Batman wins ''nothing'' when all
is said and done. The murder spree is over, but only because, well, the Phantasm.entire hit list is gone. Bruce gets his LostLenore back, only to lose her again, even more tragically. The Joker is (presumed) gone, with all the baggage ''that'' comes with. As far as we see, Batman doesn't even gather enough evidence to clear himself from the police. [[YankTheDogsChain Bruce's chain got yanked hard in this one.]]
** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.


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* "I Never Even Told You" by Creator/TiaCarrere. Its lyrics in context with the film are heartbreaking.
-->I never even told you\\
I thought you knew
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* When Batman visits Andrea’s penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him, but his mission and her revenge will never let them be together.

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* When Batman visits Andrea’s Andrea's penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him, but his mission and her revenge will never let them be together.



* Andrea’s quest for vengeance is so all-consuming, she consciously decides to abandon Bruce as the fair explodes around him so she can whisk the Joker away to whatever fate she has planned for him. It’s only by pure luck that Batman ends up in a drainage pipe that takes him far enough away from the explosions that he doesn’t burn or drown to death.

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* Andrea’s Andrea's quest for vengeance is so all-consuming, she consciously decides to abandon Bruce as the fair explodes around him so she can whisk the Joker away to whatever fate she has planned for him. It’s It's only by pure luck that Batman ends up in a drainage pipe that takes him far enough away from the explosions that he doesn’t doesn't burn or drown to death.



* [[HopeSpot After Andrea saves Bruce from being caught by the police, she explained what happened the night she left, and the two intend to make their relationship work again. After Andrea left the mansion, Bruce wonders if they can still have a future together. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be, when Bruce discovers that Andrea is the Phantasm.]]

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* [[HopeSpot After Andrea saves Bruce from being caught by the police, she explained what happened the night she left, and the two intend to make their relationship work again. After Andrea left the mansion, [[HopeSpot Bruce wonders if they can still have a future together. together]]. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be, when Bruce eventually discovers that Andrea is the Phantasm.]]
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* [[HopeSpot After Andrea saves Bruce from being caught by the police, she explained what happened the night she left, and the two intend to make their relationship work again. After Andrea left the mansion, Bruce wonders if they can still have a future together. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be, when Bruce discovers that Andrea is the Phantasm.]]
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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling anything, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "[[ShaggyDogStory What would vengeance solve?]]"

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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling anything, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity [[ShaggyDogStory allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "[[ShaggyDogStory What "What would vengeance solve?]]"solve?"
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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling anything, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "What would vengeance solve?"

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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling anything, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "What "[[ShaggyDogStory What would vengeance solve?"solve?]]"
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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling any fear or remorse. He simply accepts death with a smile, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "What would vengeance solve?"

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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling any fear or remorse. He simply accepts death with a smile, anything, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "What would vengeance solve?"
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** What's even worse is that in the tie-in comics, Andrea wants to make the Joker beg for his life before she kills him, only to realize that the Joker is incapable of feeling any fear or remorse. He simply accepts death with a smile, denying Andrea the satisfaction and making her realize that the hitman who murdered her father is already dead. This pause of realization, an explosion blasts the two apart, [[JokerImmunity allowing the Joker to escape once again]], and leaving Andrea with Batman's haunting words echoing in her head "What would vengeance solve?"
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** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have taken Andrea back despite what she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls Andrea a murderer and Andrea doesn't care what he thinks.

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** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have taken Andrea back despite what she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls Andrea a murderer and Andrea doesn't care what he thinks.thinks of her.
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** The simple fact that Bruce has to ''apologize'' to his parents for no longer being in pain just makes it sad.
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** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have taken Andrea back despite what she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls Andrea a murderer and Andrea doesn't seem to care anymore.

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** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have taken Andrea back despite what she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls Andrea a murderer and Andrea doesn't seem to care anymore.what he thinks.
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'''Andrea:''' If anyone knows the answer to that, Bruce, it's you.\\

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'''Andrea:''' [[ArmorPiercingResponse If anyone knows the answer to that, Bruce, Bruce... it's you.\\]]\\

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'''As a Moments subpage, all spoilers are unmarked [[Administrivia/SpoilersOff as per policy.]] Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.'''
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* Alfred's shocked and despairing "My God!" when he first sees Bruce in full costume [[spoiler:after Andrea leaves him]].
** Even worse is the moment right before. [[spoiler:Bruce looks at the cowl, the last piece to put on, and stares at it. It's his one last chance to back away from his vow and start over. He put it on and never looked back.]]
* The shock and horror in Andrea's voice [[spoiler:when she sees pre-transformation Joker leaving her house and realizing that he just killed her father. Not to mention the bloodcurdling scream she lets out when she sees the body.]]
* The last two lines, which sum things up for both Batman and [[spoiler:Andrea]]. "Do you wanna be alone?" "I am."
** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have [[spoiler:taken Andrea back]] despite what [[spoiler:she's]] done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls [[spoiler:Andrea]] a murderer and [[spoiler: Andrea]] doesn't seem to care anymore.

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* Alfred's shocked and despairing "My God!" when he first sees Bruce in full costume [[spoiler:after after Andrea leaves him]].
him.
** Even worse is the moment right before. [[spoiler:Bruce Bruce looks at the cowl, the last piece to put on, and stares at it. It's his one last chance to back away from his vow and start over. He put it on and never looked back.]]
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* The shock and horror in Andrea's voice [[spoiler:when when she sees pre-transformation Joker leaving her house and realizing that he just killed her father. Not to mention the bloodcurdling scream she lets out when she sees the body.]]
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* The last two lines, which sum things up for both Batman and [[spoiler:Andrea]].Andrea. "Do you wanna be alone?" "I am."
** What makes it worse is that, in the end, Bruce ''would'' have [[spoiler:taken taken Andrea back]] back despite what [[spoiler:she's]] she's done. Yet, when they meet again in the tie-in comics, it might have been too late. Bruce calls [[spoiler:Andrea]] Andrea a murderer and [[spoiler: Andrea]] Andrea doesn't seem to care anymore.



-->'''Alfred:''' [[spoiler:I don't think she wanted to be saved, sir.]] Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against.]] You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. [[spoiler:But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.]]

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-->'''Alfred:''' [[spoiler:I I don't think she wanted to be saved, sir.]] sir. Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against.]] You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. [[spoiler:But But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.]]



* Realizing that Andrea may quite possibly be the only person who could understand Bruce completely and totally yet, unlike Bruce, [[spoiler:lost herself to her desire to punish criminals long ago, something that Bruce regularly fights against within himself every time he puts on the cowl.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Andrea:''']] They took everything from me, Bruce. My dad. My life. You. I'm not saying it's right or even sane but it's all I have left. [[ThenLetMeBeEvil So either help me or get out of the way.]]\\

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* Realizing that Andrea may quite possibly be the only person who could understand Bruce completely and totally yet, unlike Bruce, [[spoiler:lost lost herself to her desire to punish criminals long ago, something that Bruce regularly fights against within himself every time he puts on the cowl.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Andrea:''']]
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-->'''Andrea:'''
They took everything from me, Bruce. My dad. My life. You. I'm not saying it's right or even sane but it's all I have left. [[ThenLetMeBeEvil So either help me or get out of the way.]]\\



[[spoiler:'''Andrea:''']] Look what they did to us! What we could've had! They had to pay!\\
'''Batman:''' But [[spoiler: Andi]]... what will vengeance solve?\\
[[spoiler:'''Andrea:''']] If anyone knows the answer to that, Bruce, it's you.\\
'''Batman:''' ''[silent pause]'' Leave, [[spoiler: Andi,]] now. ''[[AintTooProudToBeg Please.]]''
* When Batman visits Andrea’s penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him [[spoiler: but his mission and her revenge]] will never let them be together.

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[[spoiler:'''Andrea:''']] '''Andrea:''' Look what they did to us! What we could've had! They had to pay!\\
'''Batman:''' But [[spoiler: Andi]]...Andi... what will vengeance solve?\\
[[spoiler:'''Andrea:''']] '''Andrea:''' If anyone knows the answer to that, Bruce, it's you.\\
'''Batman:''' ''[silent pause]'' Leave, [[spoiler: Andi,]] Andi, now. ''[[AintTooProudToBeg Please.]]''
* When Batman visits Andrea’s penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him [[spoiler: him, but his mission and her revenge]] revenge will never let them be together.
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* The final shot is Batman on his usual perch, but his head bowed in sorrow. Perhaps for the first time, he feels like being Bats is more like a jail sentence than a crusade.
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* When Batman visits Andrea’s penthouse in the cowl, they have a tense conversation about her dad and his connections to the murdered gangsters. Andrea insults Bruce and tells him to leave. As soon as he leaves, she drops her drink and collapses on the bed, sobbing uncontrollably. She still loves him [[spoiler: but his mission and her revenge]] will never let them be together.
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* Andrea’s quest for vengeance is so all-consuming, she consciously decides to abandon Bruce as the fair explodes around him so she can whisk the Joker away to whatever fate she has planned for him. It’s only by pure luck that Batman ends up in a drainage pipe that takes him far enough away from the explosions that he doesn’t burn or drown to death.
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** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared, especially when Arthur Reeves' criminal past was exposed. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.

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** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared, especially when Arthur Reeves' criminal past was exposed.cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.
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** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.

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** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared.cleared, especially when Arthur Reeves' criminal past was exposed. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.
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* "I Never Even Told You" by Creator/TiaCarrere. [[SuspiciouslyAproposMusic Its lyrics in context with the film are heartbreaking.]]

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* "I Never Even Told You" by Creator/TiaCarrere. [[SuspiciouslyAproposMusic Its lyrics in context with the film are heartbreaking.]]
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** Though tie-in comics ''does'' reveal that his name was cleared. But it likely didn't make him feel any better.
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* "I Never Even Told You" by Tia Carrere. [[SuspiciouslyAproposMusic Its lyrics in context with the film are heartbreaking.]]

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* "I Never Even Told You" by Tia Carrere.Creator/TiaCarrere. [[SuspiciouslyAproposMusic Its lyrics in context with the film are heartbreaking.]]
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* The kicker to all this? Batman wins jack all when all is said and done. The murder spree is over, but only because, well, the entire hit list is gone. Bruce gets his LostLenore back, only to lose her again, even more tragically. The Joker is (presumed) gone, with all the baggage ''that'' comes with. As far as we see, Batman doesn't even gather enough evidence to clear himself from the police. [[YankTheDogsChain Bruce's chain got yanked hard in this one.]]

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* The kicker to all this? Batman wins jack all ''nothing'' when all is said and done. The murder spree is over, but only because, well, the entire hit list is gone. Bruce gets his LostLenore back, only to lose her again, even more tragically. The Joker is (presumed) gone, with all the baggage ''that'' comes with. As far as we see, Batman doesn't even gather enough evidence to clear himself from the police. [[YankTheDogsChain Bruce's chain got yanked hard in this one.]]
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* The kicker to all this? Batman wins jack all when all is said and done. The murder spree is over, but only because, well, the entire hit list is gone. Bruce gets his LostLenore back, only to lose her again, even more tragically. The Joker is (presumed) gone, with all the baggage ''that'' comes with. As far as we see, Batman doesn't even gather enough evidence to clear himself from the police. [[YankTheDogsChain Bruce's chain got yanked hard in this one.]]

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