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23rd Jul '17 3:57:36 PM nombretomado
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If WW2 has not broken out, expect many more flying-boats. Before the war brought an explosion of airfield-building all over the world, water-landing was widely used, especially for large aircraft too heavy to land on grass. The famous Pan-Am Clippers or the Empire Flying Boats flown by B.O.A.C. were perhaps the most famous.

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If WW2 [=WW2=] has not broken out, expect many more flying-boats. Before the war brought an explosion of airfield-building all over the world, water-landing was widely used, especially for large aircraft too heavy to land on grass. The famous Pan-Am Clippers or the Empire Flying Boats flown by B.O.A.C. were perhaps the most famous.
13th Jun '17 10:15:05 PM nombretomado
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AnachronismStew tends to creep down in stories written by modern people and set in the 1930s - and [[YeGoodeOldeDays raise a good bit of ridiculousness]] since there are ''still'' people who were alive back then and can quickly point out the ValuesDissonance. Generally, the RuleOfCool draws people who are untrained in history to point out the cool features of the era, the RoaringTwenties, the wild parties sprinkled with bootleg booze, shiny and chromed classic cars with bonnets long enough to keep the front wheels in Paris and the back wheels in Berlin, the newly-found sexual freedom under the Hollywoodian glamour. Two things have to be remembered, for they are the staples of the age, the foundation for both WorldWarTwo and the UsefulNotes/ColdWar:

* First, the social upheavals that generated the Great Depression: the industrialized world of the Diesel Age (which, save China or Southeast Asia, matches the modern industrialized world) struggled to raise itself from the pit of WorldWarOne and [[SesquipedalianLoquaciousness technological inadequacy]] ...with strikes, worker's movements, street battles, a milder form of terrorism, revolutions and so on. Nobody could claim he or she was totally safe, the barrel of a [[CoolGuns Tommy Gun or a Broomhandle Mauser]] always glinted beyond the corner. There is a reason for the dark, cynical attitude in Creator/GeorgeOrwell's characters, this being he had actually been, you know, ''an eyewitness'' to all these.
* Second, in the modern globalized world we tend to forget most of the [[ValuesDissonance ValuesDissonances]], as there is a modern set of things most people able to read a newspaper and use a computer have to share in business and everyday life. 70 years ago, the differences between countries, or provinces and regions inside the same country, were immense. Large American and European cities might have walked a tightrope between CityNoir and the modern ArtDeco business quarters, but rural areas were far away. Things we take for granted today, like electricity, owning a car or having a general store nearby, stood out so much on remote farms or rural towns they were reasons for public celebration. Just as we expect, at least in a "civilized" country, to have some rights and laws set in stone and only trampled upon by a few villains. This is a new invention, a product of the post-WorldWarTwo era and (in the Communist Bloc) disregarded entirely until recently. Lynchings, for example, had been commonplace ''and no lawman batted an eyelash in front of them''. Rural people were far more religious, even Taliban-like, in the recent past. Things which are thought to be unspeakable today, like mass imprisonment and murder for absurd reasons, could have raised applause from the common population. To put it in perspective, a heroine who looks too much like Music/LadyGaga and speaks like Music/BritneySpears [[CrapsackWorld might have found her life shortened to a much un-ripe age in the late 1930s]].

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AnachronismStew tends to creep down in stories written by modern people and set in the 1930s - and [[YeGoodeOldeDays raise a good bit of ridiculousness]] since there are ''still'' people who were alive back then and can quickly point out the ValuesDissonance. Generally, the RuleOfCool draws people who are untrained in history to point out the cool features of the era, the RoaringTwenties, the wild parties sprinkled with bootleg booze, shiny and chromed classic cars with bonnets long enough to keep the front wheels in Paris and the back wheels in Berlin, the newly-found sexual freedom under the Hollywoodian glamour. Two things have to be remembered, for they are the staples of the age, the foundation for both WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the UsefulNotes/ColdWar:

* First, the social upheavals that generated the Great Depression: the industrialized world of the Diesel Age (which, save China or Southeast Asia, matches the modern industrialized world) struggled to raise itself from the pit of WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and [[SesquipedalianLoquaciousness technological inadequacy]] ...with strikes, worker's movements, street battles, a milder form of terrorism, revolutions and so on. Nobody could claim he or she was totally safe, the barrel of a [[CoolGuns Tommy Gun or a Broomhandle Mauser]] always glinted beyond the corner. There is a reason for the dark, cynical attitude in Creator/GeorgeOrwell's characters, this being he had actually been, you know, ''an eyewitness'' to all these.
* Second, in the modern globalized world we tend to forget most of the [[ValuesDissonance ValuesDissonances]], as there is a modern set of things most people able to read a newspaper and use a computer have to share in business and everyday life. 70 years ago, the differences between countries, or provinces and regions inside the same country, were immense. Large American and European cities might have walked a tightrope between CityNoir and the modern ArtDeco business quarters, but rural areas were far away. Things we take for granted today, like electricity, owning a car or having a general store nearby, stood out so much on remote farms or rural towns they were reasons for public celebration. Just as we expect, at least in a "civilized" country, to have some rights and laws set in stone and only trampled upon by a few villains. This is a new invention, a product of the post-WorldWarTwo post-UsefulNotes/WorldWarII era and (in the Communist Bloc) disregarded entirely until recently. Lynchings, for example, had been commonplace ''and no lawman batted an eyelash in front of them''. Rural people were far more religious, even Taliban-like, in the recent past. Things which are thought to be unspeakable today, like mass imprisonment and murder for absurd reasons, could have raised applause from the common population. To put it in perspective, a heroine who looks too much like Music/LadyGaga and speaks like Music/BritneySpears [[CrapsackWorld might have found her life shortened to a much un-ripe age in the late 1930s]].
13th Jun '17 5:10:22 AM Piterpicher
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What strikes most during TheNewTens is the [[http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/328/a/8/a_typical_group_of_postal_messengers__1911__by_theroaring20s-d5m0pbm.jpg roughneck]], [[http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/165/6/7/east_side_peddler__new_york__circa_1915__by_theroaring20s-d68ypyi.jpg proletarian]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Ernest_Hadley_and_Bumby_Hemingway.jpg design]] [[http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/131/9/7/the_roaring_twenties__2_girls__by_theroaring20s-d4ze0kx.png of most clothing]] prior to [[TheFifties the 1950s]] in the developed world. Most people had blue collar jobs back then, which would expose them to grit and dirt, they had to take the public transport to work, walk the streets in rough weather, so the clothing choice was justified. Tough fabrics, leather overcoats or trenchcoats for protection, knitwear for warmth, hats and caps not only as the fashion demanded, but also as protective headgears. Also they had to don old, worn-out clothes while doing DirtyJobs with machinery (which was more oily, sticky and stinky compared to its modern counterparts), to protect their better and more expensive clothing. The [[SharpDressedMan elegant pinstriped suit for males]] was mostly an upper class or NouveauRiche class thing, poorer people would have donned such clothing for ceremonial occasions like weddings or funerals mostly.\\

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What strikes most during TheNewTens is the [[http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/328/a/8/a_typical_group_of_postal_messengers__1911__by_theroaring20s-d5m0pbm.jpg roughneck]], [[http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/165/6/7/east_side_peddler__new_york__circa_1915__by_theroaring20s-d68ypyi.jpg proletarian]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Ernest_Hadley_and_Bumby_Hemingway.jpg design]] [[http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/131/9/7/the_roaring_twenties__2_girls__by_theroaring20s-d4ze0kx.png of most clothing]] prior to [[TheFifties the 1950s]] in the developed world. Most people had blue collar jobs back then, which would expose them to grit and dirt, they had to take the public transport to work, walk the streets in rough weather, so the clothing choice was justified. Tough fabrics, leather overcoats or trenchcoats for protection, knitwear for warmth, hats and caps not only as the fashion demanded, but also as protective headgears. Also they had to don old, worn-out clothes while doing DirtyJobs dirty jobs with machinery (which was more oily, sticky and stinky compared to its modern counterparts), to protect their better and more expensive clothing. The [[SharpDressedMan elegant pinstriped suit for males]] was mostly an upper class or NouveauRiche class thing, poorer people would have donned such clothing for ceremonial occasions like weddings or funerals mostly.\\
23rd Sep '16 10:34:50 PM nombretomado
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* Second, in the modern globalized world we tend to forget most of the [[ValuesDissonance ValuesDissonances]], as there is a modern set of things most people able to read a newspaper and use a computer have to share in business and everyday life. 70 years ago, the differences between countries, or provinces and regions inside the same country, were immense. Large American and European cities might have walked a tightrope between CityNoir and the modern ArtDeco business quarters, but rural areas were far away. Things we take for granted today, like electricity, owning a car or having a general store nearby, stood out so much on remote farms or rural towns they were reasons for public celebration. Just as we expect, at least in a "civilized" country, to have some rights and laws set in stone and only trampled upon by a few villains. This is a new invention, a product of the post-WorldWarTwo era and (in the Communist Bloc) disregarded entirely until recently. Lynchings, for example, had been commonplace ''and no lawman batted an eyelash in front of them''. Rural people were far more religious, even Taliban-like, in the recent past. Things which are thought to be unspeakable today, like mass imprisonment and murder for absurd reasons, could have raised applause from the common population. To put it in perspective, a heroine who looks too much like Music/LadyGaga and speaks like BritneySpears [[CrapsackWorld might have found her life shortened to a much un-ripe age in the late 1930s]].

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* Second, in the modern globalized world we tend to forget most of the [[ValuesDissonance ValuesDissonances]], as there is a modern set of things most people able to read a newspaper and use a computer have to share in business and everyday life. 70 years ago, the differences between countries, or provinces and regions inside the same country, were immense. Large American and European cities might have walked a tightrope between CityNoir and the modern ArtDeco business quarters, but rural areas were far away. Things we take for granted today, like electricity, owning a car or having a general store nearby, stood out so much on remote farms or rural towns they were reasons for public celebration. Just as we expect, at least in a "civilized" country, to have some rights and laws set in stone and only trampled upon by a few villains. This is a new invention, a product of the post-WorldWarTwo era and (in the Communist Bloc) disregarded entirely until recently. Lynchings, for example, had been commonplace ''and no lawman batted an eyelash in front of them''. Rural people were far more religious, even Taliban-like, in the recent past. Things which are thought to be unspeakable today, like mass imprisonment and murder for absurd reasons, could have raised applause from the common population. To put it in perspective, a heroine who looks too much like Music/LadyGaga and speaks like BritneySpears Music/BritneySpears [[CrapsackWorld might have found her life shortened to a much un-ripe age in the late 1930s]].
23rd Sep '16 4:16:56 AM Morgenthaler
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The horrifying scale and depressing futility of [[WorldWarI the Great War]] led many to [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent believe that warfare had become obsolete]] -- surely no one in their right mind would want to start a war when technology made easy conquest impossible (and they may be right, see ''Divergence'' below). To reflect this, choose non-military-types for {{Action Hero}}es, too individualistic and too busy exploring, solving mysteries or whatever to join military units. Or go for a ScienceHero, a character type that is still fresh in this era. The villains on the other hand are likely to be [[EvilIsNotPacifist in uniform]] and eager to find a way to make war exciting (and effective) again, possibly using [[MillionMookMarch bigger battalions]] or WeaponOfMassDestruction. They can be foiled though, being FascistButInefficient.

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The horrifying scale and depressing futility of [[WorldWarI [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI the Great War]] led many to [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent believe that warfare had become obsolete]] -- surely no one in their right mind would want to start a war when technology made easy conquest impossible (and they may be right, see ''Divergence'' below). To reflect this, choose non-military-types for {{Action Hero}}es, too individualistic and too busy exploring, solving mysteries or whatever to join military units. Or go for a ScienceHero, a character type that is still fresh in this era. The villains on the other hand are likely to be [[EvilIsNotPacifist in uniform]] and eager to find a way to make war exciting (and effective) again, possibly using [[MillionMookMarch bigger battalions]] or WeaponOfMassDestruction. They can be foiled though, being FascistButInefficient.



The next big point of divergence involves WorldWarII breaking out. It doesn't have to: a story can have the Soviets' or Axis powers' belligerence defused or contained. In a Diesel Deco-flavored story, the dictatorships aren't calling the shots; maybe the League of Nations has been successful? The world is open and peaceful, and human and industrial resources are available to raise science and engineering to new heights. Conflict is likely to be vs nature (exploration) or vs some kind of Science villain, maybe someone who wants to set history back on the global conflict track. In a Diesel Noir-flavored story, the [[CommieNazis different dictators]] are still in power, but competing in some other arena. A Communism/Naziism UsefulNotes/ColdWar, maybe? This is a more dystopian variant, with democracy in retreat all over the world. Conflict is likely to be vs society, or vs various spies and agents.

Or maybe WorldWarII ''did'' break out. Even without the disrupting effects of TheGreatDepression, it is likely to occur due to a number of reasons, including Soviet visions of a world-wide revolution, German revanchism, or Japanese expansionism. In that case divergence can simply be a technological difference (Diesel Weird War). The period had oodles of war-related inventions, a lot of which never saw practical use. They can in your story, though! Some of the inventions that ''were'' put to use can very easily be TurnedUpToEleven; a impenetrable Franco-Belgian-Dutch system of fortresses from the Alps to the Frisian Sea, Soviet [[TankGoodness Land Dreadnoughts]], RAF {{Airborne Aircraft Carrier}}s, StupidJetpackHitler, nuclear arms in every arsenal (with some kind of [[AppliedPhlebotinum phlebotinic countermeasures]] to avoid having the fun end too quickly).

It is also possible to diverge later, in the aftermath or final stages of WorldWarII. In our history, conflict continued with UsefulNotes/ColdWar, post-colonial unrest, and the perpetual crisis in Palestine. In a Diesel Dystopia story, liberty is a thing of the past as governments feel the need for total control to avoid being overrun by greater or lesser powers. Even worse, in a Diesel Desolation story, the war has finished off civilization completely. Even later divergence lands you in AtomPunk territory.

Conversely, you could diverge ''earlier'' where it's WorldWarI that didn't happen and the romanticism of TheEdwardianEra wasn't killed off in the horrors of trench warfare. While on the surface this sort of setting seems very un-Punky, all the old, creaking and unstable Imperial regimes are still holding on, continuously one step away from imploding in revolution or dissolution as their populations struggle between the affluence of the growing global economy and the repression of traditionalist monarchies. Intrigue, espionage and social underdogs have lots of room to play in this setting, as do globe-hopping adventurer types since the Great War and TheGreatDepression didn't scuttle all those [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld grand airship schemes]] people dreamed about. Care must be taken to distinguish from SteamPunk, as while the technology has left steam behind, the old attitudes linger on, creating thematic overlap.

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The next big point of divergence involves WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII breaking out. It doesn't have to: a story can have the Soviets' or Axis powers' belligerence defused or contained. In a Diesel Deco-flavored story, the dictatorships aren't calling the shots; maybe the League of Nations has been successful? The world is open and peaceful, and human and industrial resources are available to raise science and engineering to new heights. Conflict is likely to be vs nature (exploration) or vs some kind of Science villain, maybe someone who wants to set history back on the global conflict track. In a Diesel Noir-flavored story, the [[CommieNazis different dictators]] are still in power, but competing in some other arena. A Communism/Naziism UsefulNotes/ColdWar, maybe? This is a more dystopian variant, with democracy in retreat all over the world. Conflict is likely to be vs society, or vs various spies and agents.

Or maybe WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII ''did'' break out. Even without the disrupting effects of TheGreatDepression, it is likely to occur due to a number of reasons, including Soviet visions of a world-wide revolution, German revanchism, or Japanese expansionism. In that case divergence can simply be a technological difference (Diesel Weird War). The period had oodles of war-related inventions, a lot of which never saw practical use. They can in your story, though! Some of the inventions that ''were'' put to use can very easily be TurnedUpToEleven; a impenetrable Franco-Belgian-Dutch system of fortresses from the Alps to the Frisian Sea, Soviet [[TankGoodness Land Dreadnoughts]], RAF {{Airborne Aircraft Carrier}}s, StupidJetpackHitler, nuclear arms in every arsenal (with some kind of [[AppliedPhlebotinum phlebotinic countermeasures]] to avoid having the fun end too quickly).

It is also possible to diverge later, in the aftermath or final stages of WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. In our history, conflict continued with UsefulNotes/ColdWar, post-colonial unrest, and the perpetual crisis in Palestine. In a Diesel Dystopia story, liberty is a thing of the past as governments feel the need for total control to avoid being overrun by greater or lesser powers. Even worse, in a Diesel Desolation story, the war has finished off civilization completely. Even later divergence lands you in AtomPunk territory.

Conversely, you could diverge ''earlier'' where it's WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI that didn't happen and the romanticism of TheEdwardianEra wasn't killed off in the horrors of trench warfare. While on the surface this sort of setting seems very un-Punky, all the old, creaking and unstable Imperial regimes are still holding on, continuously one step away from imploding in revolution or dissolution as their populations struggle between the affluence of the growing global economy and the repression of traditionalist monarchies. Intrigue, espionage and social underdogs have lots of room to play in this setting, as do globe-hopping adventurer types since the Great War and TheGreatDepression didn't scuttle all those [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld grand airship schemes]] people dreamed about. Care must be taken to distinguish from SteamPunk, as while the technology has left steam behind, the old attitudes linger on, creating thematic overlap.



* High-speed aircraft, most famously the Supermarine planes[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_S.6B]], were the prototypes for WorldWarII heavy fighters and medium bombers.

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* High-speed aircraft, most famously the Supermarine planes[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_S.6B]], were the prototypes for WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII heavy fighters and medium bombers.
21st Apr '16 11:03:56 PM spartandjango
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* ''Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow'' is pretty much a love-letter to this genre and TwoFistedTales.
12th Mar '16 3:46:56 PM Atomic_Bear
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It is also possible to diverge later, in the aftermath or final stages of WorldWarII. In our history, conflict continued with UsefulNotes/ColdWar, post-colonial unrest, and the perpetual crisis in Palestine. In a Diesel Dystopia story, liberty is a thing of the past as governments feel the need for total control to avoid being overrun by greater or lesser powers. Even worse, in a Diesel Desolation story, the war has finished off civilization completely.

Even later divergence lands you in AtomPunk territory.

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It is also possible to diverge later, in the aftermath or final stages of WorldWarII. In our history, conflict continued with UsefulNotes/ColdWar, post-colonial unrest, and the perpetual crisis in Palestine. In a Diesel Dystopia story, liberty is a thing of the past as governments feel the need for total control to avoid being overrun by greater or lesser powers. Even worse, in a Diesel Desolation story, the war has finished off civilization completely.

completely. Even later divergence lands you in AtomPunk territory.
territory.

Conversely, you could diverge ''earlier'' where it's WorldWarI that didn't happen and the romanticism of TheEdwardianEra wasn't killed off in the horrors of trench warfare. While on the surface this sort of setting seems very un-Punky, all the old, creaking and unstable Imperial regimes are still holding on, continuously one step away from imploding in revolution or dissolution as their populations struggle between the affluence of the growing global economy and the repression of traditionalist monarchies. Intrigue, espionage and social underdogs have lots of room to play in this setting, as do globe-hopping adventurer types since the Great War and TheGreatDepression didn't scuttle all those [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld grand airship schemes]] people dreamed about. Care must be taken to distinguish from SteamPunk, as while the technology has left steam behind, the old attitudes linger on, creating thematic overlap.
7th Sep '15 6:45:18 PM nombretomado
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[[UsefulNotes/{{Airships}} Airships]] flourished briefly during the Diesel Era as [=ICEs=] brought down the power-to-weight ratio. Within a decade or so, the problems with airships (flammability of hydrogen, poor design and materials) made the airliner a much better choice. Remember, the {{Hindenburg}} exploding was merely the final and most public airship mishap after a series of military airships lost in crashes and fires showed that the concept was often too fragile, and slow, for the rigors of regular air travel. In your story, airship technology might have improved quickly, using Helium or Hydrogen contained inside inert gases, and more aerodynamic, structurally sound shapes. With the proper justifications, airships are quite feasible as a slower but much cheaper and more efficient alternative- as certain [[http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.com/2011/06/skunk-works-air-ships.html?m=1 hybrid airships]] are becoming today. Or you might decide to leave airships to the steampunks.

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[[UsefulNotes/{{Airships}} Airships]] flourished briefly during the Diesel Era as [=ICEs=] brought down the power-to-weight ratio. Within a decade or so, the problems with airships (flammability of hydrogen, poor design and materials) made the airliner a much better choice. Remember, the {{Hindenburg}} UsefulNotes/TheHindenburg exploding was merely the final and most public airship mishap after a series of military airships lost in crashes and fires showed that the concept was often too fragile, and slow, for the rigors of regular air travel. In your story, airship technology might have improved quickly, using Helium or Hydrogen contained inside inert gases, and more aerodynamic, structurally sound shapes. With the proper justifications, airships are quite feasible as a slower but much cheaper and more efficient alternative- as certain [[http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.com/2011/06/skunk-works-air-ships.html?m=1 hybrid airships]] are becoming today. Or you might decide to leave airships to the steampunks.
6th Aug '15 4:41:54 AM cWager
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* Terry Gilliam's ''Brazil'' depicts several elements from dieselpunk from a very bleak, black comedy perspective. Understandably, considering it was inspired by ''1984''.

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* Terry Gilliam's ''Brazil'' Film/{{Brazil}} depicts several elements from dieselpunk from a very bleak, black comedy perspective. Understandably, considering it was inspired by ''1984''.[[NineteenEightyFour 1984]].
6th Aug '15 4:19:59 AM cWager
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* If you want to have a USSR-equivalent, ''TheTwelveChairs'' and ''Literature/TheLittleGoldenCalf'' are a must-read.

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* If you want to have Terry Gilliam's ''Brazil'' depicts several elements from dieselpunk from a USSR-equivalent, ''TheTwelveChairs'' and ''Literature/TheLittleGoldenCalf'' are a must-read.very bleak, black comedy perspective. Understandably, considering it was inspired by ''1984''.
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