History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / Film

12th Oct '17 8:11:34 PM MackWylde
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* Films by JohnHughes are usually very cynical about something but are still feel-good or heartfelt movies with a warm emotional sentiment somewhere.
6th Oct '17 9:14:32 AM DecafGrub47393
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** Then came [[Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater the sequel]], [[spoiler: in which there is utterly no hope.]]

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** Then came [[Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater the sequel]], [[spoiler: in which there is utterly no hope.]]
21st Sep '17 7:10:36 PM MackWylde
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* CharlieKaufman 's work is usually cynical in tone, but surprisingly still optimistic at its core.
* Films by StevenSpielberg are usually full of optimism and wonder, even those that portray the harsh realities.
* RichardLinklater films differentiate on the scale, but several end on a believable HopeSpot.
17th Sep '17 2:04:34 PM Gemser
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* ''Film/TheWorldOfKanako'': On the far end of the cynic side. In this movie the world is exclusively populated by complete assholes and scumbags who all have '''only''' the very worst things in mind and the few good people out there are either mercilessly corrupted, betrayed, bullied, manipulated or forced into isolation and there is no way to break out of this cycle. What protagonist and ex-cop Akikazu does can't be morally justified in any way but still is consequent, as the world this movie takes place in destroys anybody and crushes every dream. The only bright things in this film are the bright lights and colors, the fast editing, the many flash cuts and one constantly smiling character, that give it an artificial and hard to grasp atmosphere.
13th Sep '17 7:07:12 AM AFP
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** Despite its overall idealist tone, the film generally considered to be the best in the series is ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', possibly the darkest. The same applies to ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', which was considered to be the best of the prequel trilogy.

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** Despite its overall idealist tone, the film generally considered to be the best in the series is ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', possibly the darkest. The same applies to ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', which was considered to be the best of the prequel trilogy. And despite everything, both films end on hopeful notes.
25th Aug '17 4:39:50 AM Silverblade2
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* Even more surprisingly ''Film/{{Batman}}'' also fits on the idealistic side, although not quite to the point of ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', but for Batman's actions, he becomes publicly loved and gets the girl, and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker is dead. Although he had to take the cynical route of killing people to get there. It is mostly cynical, but it too is a case of EarnYourHappyEnding

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* Even more surprisingly ''Film/{{Batman}}'' also fits on the idealistic side, although not quite to the point of ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', but for Batman's actions, he becomes publicly loved and gets the girl, and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is dead. Although he had to take the cynical route of killing people to get there. It is mostly cynical, but it too is a case of EarnYourHappyEnding
4th Apr '17 11:00:31 AM DustSnitch
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* The message of ''Film/{{Whiplash}}'' can be seen as an ideal being deconstructed despondently: those who aspire to greatness should push themselves beyond their limits to reap the rewards that come with such achievements. The cynicism shines in the form of the characters that strive for greatness being assholes at best and psychopathic at worst. Andrew, and to a lesser extent the other students, sacrifice their self-respect, sanity, and social kinship to become better artists from an instructor who sees even his ace students as beneath him. By the end of the film, the audience is left to conclude whether or not Andrew’s achievements were worth the sacrifice.
20th Mar '17 9:27:25 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* ''Film/TheHunt'' is critical of human behaviour and prejudice, particularly when it comes to assumptions and gossip. A little girl named Klara rapidly develops an [[{{Main/PrecociousCrush}} unhealthy obsession]] with her kindergarten teacher, Lucas. After she kisses him on the lips during school playtime, he is quick to rebuff her infatuation. [[{{Main/NotGoodWithRejection}} In a childish rage]], she unwittingly implies to the head teacher that he has sexually abused her. This lie begins to [[{{Main/SnowballLie}} mutate and grow]], and Lucas is hunted down by his community. Even though it's proven he's not a pedophile, and Klara openly admits to making it up, he is still voraciously hated by his peers.

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* ''Film/TheHunt'' is critical of human behaviour and prejudice, particularly when it comes to assumptions and gossip. A little girl named Klara rapidly develops an [[{{Main/PrecociousCrush}} unhealthy obsession]] with her kindergarten teacher, Lucas. After she kisses him on the lips during school playtime, he is quick to rebuff her infatuation. [[{{Main/NotGoodWithRejection}} In a childish rage]], she unwittingly implies to the head teacher that he has sexually abused her. This lie begins to [[{{Main/SnowballLie}} mutate and grow]], and Lucas is hunted down ostracized by his community. Even though it's proven he's not a pedophile, and Klara eventually openly admits to making it up, he is still voraciously hated by some of his peers.
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14th Mar '17 5:39:14 PM nombretomado
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* ''MoulinRouge'' flits from side to side during its running-time, but the ending jumps into the space between the two extremes. Nearly all of the main characters lose absolutely everything (and the Duke relatively gets away with it), but they keep their ideals intact and win the moral argument.

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* ''MoulinRouge'' ''Film/MoulinRouge'' flits from side to side during its running-time, but the ending jumps into the space between the two extremes. Nearly all of the main characters lose absolutely everything (and the Duke relatively gets away with it), but they keep their ideals intact and win the moral argument.
30th Jan '17 12:17:38 PM Divra
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* ''{{Film/Fame}}'' is stuck firmly on the cynical end, when it comes to the realities of the entertainment industry. If you follow your star, live the dream and stay true to yourself... you will be kicked in the head by the people who put in the work, paid their dues and honed their skills. Back the wrong project and you will fail. Antagonize the wrong people and you will fail. And even if you do everything right... chances are good you'll still never make it. "Seven harsh lessons and a cooked lunch" are this films tagline for a reason.

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* ''{{Film/Fame}}'' is stuck firmly on the cynical end, when it comes to the realities of the entertainment industry. If you follow your star, live the dream and stay true to yourself... you will be kicked in the head by the people who put in the work, paid their dues and honed their skills. Back the wrong project and you will fail. Antagonize the wrong people and you will fail. And even if you do everything right... chances are good you'll still never make it. "Seven harsh lessons and a cooked lunch" are is this films tagline for a reason.
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