History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / Film

4th Apr '17 11:00:31 AM DustSnitch
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* The message of ''Film/{{Whiplash}}'' can be seen as an ideal being deconstructed despondently: those who aspire to greatness should push themselves beyond their limits to reap the rewards that come with such achievements. The cynicism shines in the form of the characters that strive for greatness being assholes at best and psychopathic at worst. Andrew, and to a lesser extent the other students, sacrifice their self-respect, sanity, and social kinship to become better artists from an instructor who sees even his ace students as beneath him. By the end of the film, the audience is left to conclude whether or not Andrew’s achievements were worth the sacrifice.
20th Mar '17 9:27:25 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* ''Film/TheHunt'' is critical of human behaviour and prejudice, particularly when it comes to assumptions and gossip. A little girl named Klara rapidly develops an [[{{Main/PrecociousCrush}} unhealthy obsession]] with her kindergarten teacher, Lucas. After she kisses him on the lips during school playtime, he is quick to rebuff her infatuation. [[{{Main/NotGoodWithRejection}} In a childish rage]], she unwittingly implies to the head teacher that he has sexually abused her. This lie begins to [[{{Main/SnowballLie}} mutate and grow]], and Lucas is hunted down by his community. Even though it's proven he's not a pedophile, and Klara openly admits to making it up, he is still voraciously hated by his peers.

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* ''Film/TheHunt'' is critical of human behaviour and prejudice, particularly when it comes to assumptions and gossip. A little girl named Klara rapidly develops an [[{{Main/PrecociousCrush}} unhealthy obsession]] with her kindergarten teacher, Lucas. After she kisses him on the lips during school playtime, he is quick to rebuff her infatuation. [[{{Main/NotGoodWithRejection}} In a childish rage]], she unwittingly implies to the head teacher that he has sexually abused her. This lie begins to [[{{Main/SnowballLie}} mutate and grow]], and Lucas is hunted down ostracized by his community. Even though it's proven he's not a pedophile, and Klara eventually openly admits to making it up, he is still voraciously hated by some of his peers.
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14th Mar '17 5:39:14 PM nombretomado
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* ''MoulinRouge'' flits from side to side during its running-time, but the ending jumps into the space between the two extremes. Nearly all of the main characters lose absolutely everything (and the Duke relatively gets away with it), but they keep their ideals intact and win the moral argument.

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* ''MoulinRouge'' ''Film/MoulinRouge'' flits from side to side during its running-time, but the ending jumps into the space between the two extremes. Nearly all of the main characters lose absolutely everything (and the Duke relatively gets away with it), but they keep their ideals intact and win the moral argument.
30th Jan '17 12:17:38 PM Divra
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* ''{{Film/Fame}}'' is stuck firmly on the cynical end, when it comes to the realities of the entertainment industry. If you follow your star, live the dream and stay true to yourself... you will be kicked in the head by the people who put in the work, paid their dues and honed their skills. Back the wrong project and you will fail. Antagonize the wrong people and you will fail. And even if you do everything right... chances are good you'll still never make it. "Seven harsh lessons and a cooked lunch" are this films tagline for a reason.

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* ''{{Film/Fame}}'' is stuck firmly on the cynical end, when it comes to the realities of the entertainment industry. If you follow your star, live the dream and stay true to yourself... you will be kicked in the head by the people who put in the work, paid their dues and honed their skills. Back the wrong project and you will fail. Antagonize the wrong people and you will fail. And even if you do everything right... chances are good you'll still never make it. "Seven harsh lessons and a cooked lunch" are is this films tagline for a reason.
30th Jan '17 12:16:39 PM Divra
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* ''{{Film/Fame}}'' is stuck firmly on the cynical end, when it comes to the realities of the entertainment industry. If you follow your star, live the dream and stay true to yourself... you will be kicked in the head by the people who put in the work, paid their dues and honed their skills. Back the wrong project and you will fail. Antagonize the wrong people and you will fail. And even if you do everything right... chances are good you'll still never make it. "Seven harsh lessons and a cooked lunch" are this films tagline for a reason.
25th Jan '17 12:44:34 PM jedidarrick
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** ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' could be said to have even bigger dystopian cynical moments. And that's also forgetting Allie Fox, his most cynical hero, in ''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''. ''Film/Gallipoli'' is also cynical with WarIsHell as it's main theme.

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** ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' could be said to have even bigger dystopian cynical moments. And that's also forgetting Allie Fox, his most cynical hero, in ''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''. ''Film/Gallipoli'' ''[[Film/Gallipoli]]'' is also cynical with WarIsHell as it's main theme.
25th Jan '17 12:43:07 PM jedidarrick
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** Actually, ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' could be said to have even bigger dystopian cynical moments. And that's also forgetting Allie Fox, his most cynical hero, in ''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''.

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** Actually, ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' could be said to have even bigger dystopian cynical moments. And that's also forgetting Allie Fox, his most cynical hero, in ''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''. ''Film/Gallipoli'' is also cynical with WarIsHell as it's main theme.
8th Jan '17 1:24:47 PM nombretomado
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* The Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, as a whole, tends strongly to the idealistic side, which provides an interesting contrast to Creator/MarkMillar's very cynical [[TheUltimates Ultimates]] comic book run, which a lot of the movie continuity takes elements from. However, there are still some [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet moments]], if the endings for both ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' are any proof.

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* The Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, as a whole, tends strongly to the idealistic side, which provides an interesting contrast to Creator/MarkMillar's very cynical [[TheUltimates [[ComicBook/TheUltimates Ultimates]] comic book run, which a lot of the movie continuity takes elements from. However, there are still some [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet moments]], if the endings for both ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' are any proof.
22nd Dec '16 11:42:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/RamboIV'' (2008) has its foot firmly planted in the cynical side. The pacifistic missionaries attempting to peacefully change civil-war torn Burma are naive and misguided, whilst the gritty, war-hardened mercenaries are the only ones who can defeat the evil forces leading that regime. It's showing its '80s action-movie pedigree. The common theme in most of those films was that diplomacy was useless against America's enemies, and that [[StrawmanPolitical lawyers and judges existed solely to let drug dealers and sociopathic murderers back on the streets]]. In both cases, one or two {{Badass}}es unconstrained by rules were all you needed to defeat Third World dictators or clear the streets of crime.

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* ''Film/RamboIV'' (2008) has its foot firmly planted in the cynical side. The pacifistic missionaries attempting to peacefully change civil-war torn Burma are naive and misguided, whilst the gritty, war-hardened mercenaries are the only ones who can defeat the evil forces leading that regime. It's showing its '80s action-movie pedigree. The common theme in most of those films was that diplomacy was useless against America's enemies, and that [[StrawmanPolitical lawyers and judges existed solely to let drug dealers and sociopathic murderers back on the streets]]. In both cases, one or two {{Badass}}es badasses unconstrained by rules were all you needed to defeat Third World dictators or clear the streets of crime.
1st Dec '16 2:55:47 PM fgenzo159
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** Actually, ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' could be said to have even bigger dystopian cynical moments. And that's also forgetting Allie Fox, his most cynical hero, in ''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''

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** Actually, ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' could be said to have even bigger dystopian cynical moments. And that's also forgetting Allie Fox, his most cynical hero, in ''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''''Film/TheMosquitoCoast''.
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