History ShipToShipCombat / AxisPowersHetalia

20th Mar '16 7:29:05 PM Eievie
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* The most prominent example is the struggle between America/England fans and anti-fans. America/England is easily the most popular ship in fandom, but its massive popularity has caused many fans to attack it as "[[ItsPopularNowItSucks too popular]]" and "taking attention away from the much more interesting ships" (which sometimes means "gets more attention than MY ship", considering that Russia/America and France/England fans tend to be the loudest about this) It's reached the point where some America/England fans don't even post their fanfic/artwork at the main Hetalia community on LJ and many fans avoid the community as a whole because they feel ''that'' uneasy about the general attitude there.
** In regards to Russia/America, France/England and America/England, it isn't uncommon to see one of [[DieForOurShip the characters portrayed as a 'villain' of sorts]] to give the shipper's OTP that 'push'. Examples include turning the 'potential threat' into a rapist or DomesticAbuser, [[RonTheDeathEater bloodying up the character]] or taking negative stereotypes and using them to their advantage.

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* The most prominent example is the struggle between America/England fans and anti-fans. America/England is easily the most popular ship in fandom, but its massive popularity has caused many fans to attack it as "[[ItsPopularNowItSucks too popular]]" [[ItsPopularNowItSucks "too popular"]] and "taking attention away from the much more interesting ships" (which sometimes means "gets more attention than MY ''my'' ship", considering that Russia/America and France/England fans tend to be the loudest about this) It's reached the point where some America/England fans don't even post their fanfic/artwork at the main Hetalia community on LJ and many fans avoid the community as a whole because they feel ''that'' uneasy about the general attitude there.
** In regards to Russia/America, France/England and America/England, it isn't uncommon to see one of [[DieForOurShip the characters portrayed as a 'villain' "villain" of sorts]] to give the shipper's OTP that 'push'. "push". Examples include turning the 'potential threat' "potential threat" into a rapist or DomesticAbuser, [[RonTheDeathEater bloodying up the character]] or taking negative stereotypes and using them to their advantage.



* And there's the ongoing feud between rabid Austria/Hungary and Prussia/Hungary fans. Apparently, you either think that Austria and Hungary's love [[HappilyMarried is so ultra]] [[SickeninglySweethearts sacred]] that they should not even be allowed to ''think'' of looking at other potential partners lest rabid fangirl dreams will be ruined and True Love will not survive ([[InsaneTrollLogic eeeeeh?]]), or you think that Austria [[DomesticAbuser is a snobbish, boring, abusive, rapist asshole]] whom Hungary got "StrangledByTheRedString" with via [[ArrangedMarriage the Austro-Hungarian Imperial Compromise]] and MUST dump like a hot potato so she can "reaffirm her feminist stance" by throwing herself into the arms of the [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys "more fun, manly, passionate and entertaining"]] Prussia ([[InsaneTrollLogic wut?]]).

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* And there's the ongoing feud between rabid Austria/Hungary and Prussia/Hungary fans. Apparently, you either think that Austria and Hungary's love [[HappilyMarried is so ultra]] [[SickeninglySweethearts sacred]] that they should not even be allowed to ''think'' of looking at other potential partners lest rabid fangirl dreams will be ruined and True Love will not survive ([[InsaneTrollLogic eeeeeh?]]), or you think that Austria [[DomesticAbuser is a snobbish, boring, abusive, rapist asshole]] whom Hungary got "StrangledByTheRedString" with via [[ArrangedMarriage the Austro-Hungarian Imperial Compromise]] and MUST ''must'' dump like a hot potato so she can "reaffirm her feminist stance" by throwing herself into the arms of the [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys "more fun, manly, passionate and entertaining"]] Prussia ([[InsaneTrollLogic wut?]]).



** There's also the potential of a ''third'' faction in this war: [[CherylBlossom the Hungary/Romania shippers]]. Up until now they seem to be [[TrueNeutral content with staying in their their currently-small-but-constantly-growing corner]], shipping the Eastern-european Hungary with the [[BlackMagic spell-casting]] [[OurVampiresAreDifferent possible-vampire]] Romania in a FoeYay-tastic way, but should they decide to pick bones with Aus/Hun and/or Pru/Hun supporters...

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** There's also the potential of a ''third'' faction in this war: [[CherylBlossom the Hungary/Romania shippers]]. Up until now they seem to be [[TrueNeutral content with staying in their their currently-small-but-constantly-growing corner]], shipping the Eastern-european Hungary with the [[BlackMagic spell-casting]] [[OurVampiresAreDifferent possible-vampire]] Romania in a FoeYay-tastic way, but should they decide to pick bones with Aus/Hun and/or Pru/Hun supporters...supporters…



* Spain/Romano has also been under fire lately, as they're often accused of pushing their couple into other shippers' faces due to some Himaruya notes, or hating on America/England shippers for their pairing's popularity and accusing England of being a pedophile. Of course this isn't always the case and the latter accusation was actually exaggerated and used in propaganda by some anti-fans to discredit the pairing -- but the VocalMinority of jealous Spamano fans didn't help the pairing's case with their own pushiness and make the generalized accusations all too closer to reality to ruin it for everyone else.
** Spain/Romano vs. Romano/Belgium has started to become this trope, due to a few fans on both sides having tendencies to tear down the rival pairing and invalidate it as "incestuous and sick". Anti-Shipping Goggles also play heavily into the debates of who Romano ''really'' likes. To some, a third option doesn't even exist [[SarcasmMode because there's just no possibility]] [[NoBisexuals of him being bisexual]] -- not to mention, it adds more fuel to the HetIsEw camp's unfair "Belgium and the other Hetalia girls are only stupid and anti-feminist {{Relationship Sue}}s!" accusations. Throwing in [[FoeYay Spain/Netherlands]] may or may not softened this, as it offers a chance to get Spain away from Romano without recurring to DieForOurShip.

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* Spain/Romano has also been under fire lately, as they're often accused of pushing their couple into other shippers' faces due to some Himaruya notes, or hating on America/England shippers for their pairing's popularity and accusing England of being a pedophile. Of course this isn't always the case and the latter accusation was actually exaggerated and used in propaganda by some anti-fans to discredit the pairing -- but pairing--but the VocalMinority of jealous Spamano fans didn't help the pairing's case with their own pushiness and make the generalized accusations all too closer to reality to ruin it for everyone else.
** Spain/Romano vs. Romano/Belgium has started to become this trope, due to a few fans on both sides having tendencies to tear down the rival pairing and invalidate it as "incestuous and sick". Anti-Shipping Goggles also play heavily into the debates of who Romano ''really'' likes. To some, a third option doesn't even exist [[SarcasmMode because there's just no possibility]] [[NoBisexuals of him being bisexual]] -- not bisexual]]--not to mention, it adds more fuel to the HetIsEw camp's unfair "Belgium and the other Hetalia girls are only stupid and anti-feminist {{Relationship Sue}}s!" accusations. Throwing in [[FoeYay Spain/Netherlands]] may or may not softened this, as it offers a chance to get Spain away from Romano without recurring to DieForOurShip.



* The biggest victim of these ship wars, ATM? Seychelles, the local NubileSavage and PluckyGirl. She was a minor character with a mere cameo in the comics... then she became an AscendedExtra in [[HighSchoolAU Gakuen Hetalia]] (both the original script and the PSP game), and then the poor girl started getting shit from ''everyone'' coming from ''everywhere''. The HetIsEw camp called her a RelationshipSue, the "fandom feminists" accused her of being "offensive" and "submissive to males", and the USUK and FRUK rabidshippers accused her of standing in between their beaus because she had some degree of ShipTease with both England and France. Nevermind that France is after AnythingThatMoves, that Gakuen Hetalia isn't that centered in romance but more in ThePowerOfFriendship, that Seychelles [[PluckyGirl isn't exactly shown]] as submissive or an ExtremeDoormat to either France or England, and that in the PSP game itself [[spoiler: Sey actually ''helps'' America to regain England's attention and affections after a fight, which can easily be interpreted as her PlayingCyrano for them.]]

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* The biggest victim of these ship wars, ATM? Seychelles, the local NubileSavage and PluckyGirl. She was a minor character with a mere cameo in the comics... comics… then she became an AscendedExtra in [[HighSchoolAU Gakuen Hetalia]] (both the original script and the PSP game), and then the poor girl started getting shit from ''everyone'' coming from ''everywhere''. The HetIsEw camp called her a RelationshipSue, the "fandom feminists" accused her of being "offensive" and "submissive to males", and the USUK and FRUK rabidshippers accused her of standing in between their beaus because she had some degree of ShipTease with both England and France. Nevermind that France is after AnythingThatMoves, that Gakuen Hetalia isn't that centered in romance but more in ThePowerOfFriendship, that Seychelles [[PluckyGirl isn't exactly shown]] as submissive or an ExtremeDoormat to either France or England, and that in the PSP game itself [[spoiler: Sey actually ''helps'' America to regain England's attention and affections after a fight, which can easily be interpreted as her PlayingCyrano for them.]]



And this used to be such a ''nice'' fandom...

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And this used to be such a ''nice'' fandom...fandom…
29th Jan '14 7:16:11 AM Orihime
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** Japan/Taiwan seems to have a pretty bad reputation in the West, however. As it's the most popular pairing for Taiwan in J-Fandom and pretty much the only het choice for Japan that is mildly aknowledged, many W-fans side-eye it hard and extrapolate their issues with Taiwan's characterization in many artworks ''to their real opinion on Taiwan the character'', accusing her of being a RelationshipSue and being harsh to everyone who ships it, saying that the Japan/Taiwan shippers are "creeps who ignore the issues of the Japanese colonization to imagine themselves as Taiwan" among other things.

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** Japan/Taiwan seems to have a pretty bad reputation in the West, however.West. As it's the most popular pairing for Taiwan in J-Fandom and pretty much the only het choice for Japan that is mildly aknowledged, many W-fans side-eye it hard and extrapolate their issues with Taiwan's characterization in many artworks ''to their real opinion on Taiwan the character'', accusing her of being a RelationshipSue and being harsh to everyone who ships it, saying that the Japan/Taiwan shippers are "creeps who ignore the issues of the Japanese colonization to imagine themselves as Taiwan" among other things.



** Spain/Romano vs. Romano/Belgium has started to become this trope, due to a few fans on both sides having tendencies to tear down the rival pairing and invalidate it as "incestuous and sick". Anti-Shipping Goggles also play heavily into the debates of who Romano ''really'' likes. To some, a third option doesn't even exist [[SarcasmMode because there's just no possibility]] [[NoBisexuals of him being bisexual]] -- not to mention, it adds more fuel to the HetIsEw camp's unfair "Belgium and the other Hetalia girls are only stupid and anti-feminist {{Relationship Sue}}s!" accusations. Throw in [[FoeYay Spain/Netherlands]] may or may not softened this.
** Spain/Romano vs. Spain/Belgium is another bit of a feud similar to the above. The Spamano diehards claim that Belgium is "in the way" of their pairing, claim that she's nothing but a Mary Sue, and direct immature hate at anyone shipping her with Spain. The diehard [=SpaBel=] fans claim that Belgium is more important in Spain's life than Romano, that he "canonically" would like her more since his alternate universe counterpart liked her, and that Spamano is promoting incest.

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** Spain/Romano vs. Romano/Belgium has started to become this trope, due to a few fans on both sides having tendencies to tear down the rival pairing and invalidate it as "incestuous and sick". Anti-Shipping Goggles also play heavily into the debates of who Romano ''really'' likes. To some, a third option doesn't even exist [[SarcasmMode because there's just no possibility]] [[NoBisexuals of him being bisexual]] -- not to mention, it adds more fuel to the HetIsEw camp's unfair "Belgium and the other Hetalia girls are only stupid and anti-feminist {{Relationship Sue}}s!" accusations. Throw Throwing in [[FoeYay Spain/Netherlands]] may or may not softened this.
this, as it offers a chance to get Spain away from Romano without recurring to DieForOurShip.
** Spain/Romano vs. Spain/Belgium is another bit of a feud similar to the above. The Spamano diehards claim that Belgium is "in the way" of their pairing, claim that she's nothing but a Mary Sue, MarySue, and direct immature hate at anyone shipping her with Spain. The diehard [=SpaBel=] fans claim that Belgium is more important in Spain's life than Romano, that he "canonically" would like her more since his alternate universe counterpart liked her, and that Spamano is promoting incest.



* Prussia/Canada gets FanDumb from both sides, thanks to garnering both rabid fans who tout it as indisputably canon and interpret ''everything'' remotely related to either character as ironclad proof that Himaruya is shipping the two together and rabid haters who attack it as an insultingly baseless pairing that only shallow fangirls who don't give a whit about history or canon would think is remotely plausible. The first camp ''is'' definitely annoying considering that they've done things like declare that Prussia's character song was obviously a love song to Canada on absolutely no evidence or applying DieForOurShip treatment to [[BigFun Cuba]] and LovableSexManiac for no other reason than feeling "threatened" by their bonds with Canada, [[NotSoDifferent but so is the second camp]] who often acts as if the mere popularity of Prussia/Canada is an affront to the entire fandom in spite of it being far from the only Hetalia pairing that gets little support in canon or history.

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* Prussia/Canada gets FanDumb from both sides, thanks to garnering both rabid fans who tout it as indisputably canon and interpret ''everything'' remotely related to either character as ironclad proof that Himaruya is shipping the two together and '''and''' rabid haters who attack it as an insultingly baseless pairing that only shallow fangirls who don't give a whit about history or canon would think is remotely plausible. The first camp ''is'' definitely annoying considering that they've done things like declare that Prussia's character song was obviously a love song to Canada on absolutely no evidence or applying DieForOurShip treatment to [[BigFun Cuba]] and LovableSexManiac [[LovableSexManiac France]] for no other reason than feeling "threatened" by their bonds with Canada, [[NotSoDifferent but so is the second camp]] who often acts as if the mere popularity of Prussia/Canada is an affront to the entire fandom in spite of it being far from the only Hetalia pairing that gets little support in canon or history.
25th Jan '14 9:25:02 PM KaylaMoira
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And this used to be such a ''nice'' fandom... :( But don't worry. We're working on it.

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And this used to be such a ''nice'' fandom... :( But don't worry. We're working on it.
26th Nov '13 8:18:58 PM LongLiveHumour
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** Suggestions that America/England might be canon have fueled someone to spread rumours about the pairing being actually canon. Eventually, many fans of the pairing used it to claim some sort of superiority over Russia/America and France/England shippers. Needless to say, this sort of caused mass indignation on {{Tumblr}} and similar media, and some fans who disliked the pairing actually ''dropped out of the fandom'' out of hate towards it.

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** Suggestions that America/England might be canon have fueled someone to spread rumours about the pairing being actually canon. Eventually, many fans of the pairing used it to claim some sort of superiority over Russia/America and France/England shippers. Needless to say, this sort of caused mass indignation on {{Tumblr}} Website/{{Tumblr}} and similar media, and some fans who disliked the pairing actually ''dropped out of the fandom'' out of hate towards it.
20th Oct '13 3:15:06 PM KaylaMoira
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And this used to be such a ''nice'' fandom... :(

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And this used to be such a ''nice'' fandom... :(:( But don't worry. We're working on it.
23rd Apr '13 11:44:23 AM Pentagonsama
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* The most prominent example is the struggle between America/England fans and anti-fans. America/England is easily the most popular ship in fandom, but its massive popularity has caused many fans to attack it as "[[ItsPopularNowItSucks too popular]]" and "taking attention away from the much more interesting ships" (which usually means "gets more attention than MY ship", considering that Russia/America and France/England fans tend to be the loudest about this) It's reached the point where some America/England fans don't even post their fanfic/artwork at the main Hetalia community on LJ and many fans avoid the community as a whole because they feel ''that'' uneasy about the general attitude there.

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* The most prominent example is the struggle between America/England fans and anti-fans. America/England is easily the most popular ship in fandom, but its massive popularity has caused many fans to attack it as "[[ItsPopularNowItSucks too popular]]" and "taking attention away from the much more interesting ships" (which usually sometimes means "gets more attention than MY ship", considering that Russia/America and France/England fans tend to be the loudest about this) It's reached the point where some America/England fans don't even post their fanfic/artwork at the main Hetalia community on LJ and many fans avoid the community as a whole because they feel ''that'' uneasy about the general attitude there.



** There are even some ''explicitly'' anti-America/England fanfics out there that are essentially [[WriterOnBoard rants placed in the characters' mouths]] about how America/England deserves to be hated/bashed for ''daring'' to be too popular (read: more popular than the author's preferred pairings). Truly, America/England is ''the'' BaseBreaker ship of APH fandom.

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** There are even some ''explicitly'' anti-America/England fanfics out there that are essentially [[WriterOnBoard rants placed in the characters' mouths]] about how America/England deserves to be hated/bashed for ''daring'' to be too popular (read: more popular than the author's preferred pairings).popular. Truly, America/England is ''the'' BaseBreaker ship of APH fandom.


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** Suggestions that America/England might be canon have fueled someone to spread rumours about the pairing being actually canon. Eventually, many fans of the pairing used it to claim some sort of superiority over Russia/America and France/England shippers. Needless to say, this sort of caused mass indignation on {{Tumblr}} and similar media, and some fans who disliked the pairing actually ''dropped out of the fandom'' out of hate towards it.
18th Apr '13 7:39:11 AM mistermissy
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* The most prominent example is the struggle between America/England fans and anti-fans. America/England is easily the most popular ship in fandom, but its massive popularity has caused many fans to attack it as "[[ItsPopularNowItSucks too popular]]" and "taking attention away from the much more interesting ships" (which usually means "gets more attention than MY ship", considering that Russia/America and France/England fans tend to be the loudest about this) and the APH {{Hatedom}} and {{Fan Hater}}s to make it their main target. It's reached the point where some America/England fans don't even post their fanfic/artwork at the main Hetalia community on LJ and many fans avoid the community as a whole because they feel ''that'' uneasy about the general attitude there.

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* The most prominent example is the struggle between America/England fans and anti-fans. America/England is easily the most popular ship in fandom, but its massive popularity has caused many fans to attack it as "[[ItsPopularNowItSucks too popular]]" and "taking attention away from the much more interesting ships" (which usually means "gets more attention than MY ship", considering that Russia/America and France/England fans tend to be the loudest about this) and the APH {{Hatedom}} and {{Fan Hater}}s to make it their main target. It's reached the point where some America/England fans don't even post their fanfic/artwork at the main Hetalia community on LJ and many fans avoid the community as a whole because they feel ''that'' uneasy about the general attitude there.
20th Feb '13 4:09:07 PM Revenelle
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** Prussia/Romano has become a recent rival for Spain/Romano, with certain fans from the Prumano camp perpetuating claims that Spain's a pedophile and too idiotic to truly love Romano and that Prussia would be a kinder and more supportive lover. Those against Prumano believe that Prussia and Romano would be too dysfunctional for each other, based off of Romano's dislike of Germanic nations (although Spamano isn't exactly a dysfunction-free pairing in itself).

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** Prussia/Romano has become a recent rival for Spain/Romano, with certain fans from the Prumano camp perpetuating claims that Spain's a pedophile and too idiotic to truly love Romano and that Prussia would be a kinder and more supportive lover. Those against Prumano believe that Prussia and Romano would be too dysfunctional for each other, based off of Romano's dislike dislike-to-absolute LOATHING of Germanic nations (although Spamano isn't exactly a dysfunction-free pairing in itself).
20th Feb '13 4:08:29 PM Revenelle
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** Prussia/Romano has become a recent rival for Spain/Romano, with certain fans from the Prumano camp perpetuating claims that Spain's a pedophile and too idiotic to truly love Romano and that Prussia would be a kinder and more supportive lover. Those against Prumano believe that Prussia and Romano would be too dysfunctional for each other, based off of Romano's dislike of Germanic nations (although Spamano isn't exactly a dysfunction-free pairing in itself).
25th Jan '13 2:40:08 PM Revenelle
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** Sometimes Russia/Lithuania can go head to head with America/Lithuania, over which partner would be the healthier or more historically important for Liet. And sometimes Russia/Lithuania winds up bashed because it's felt Lithuania is "getting in the way" of Russia/America.
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