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# '''@/{{Adept}}:: OneSteveLimit

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Updated wick check results. A wick I checked got cut from the work page for misuse of the parent example. It is still listed in the wick check for archival purposes.


* 13/50 were works that has a character protecting/wanting to protect the environment. (26%)

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* 13/50 12/50 were works that has a character protecting/wanting to protect the environment. (26%)(24%)



* 3/50 had other cases of misuse. (6%)

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* 3/50 4/50 had other cases of misuse. (6%)(8%)

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# '''@/{{Mrph1}}:''' ComicBookRun (can be launched without me, but please ping me as well) '''(on hold until the wick check is completed)'''


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LoserSonOfLoserDad is about unfair perception, before the son even does anything he is compared to his father. To many examples are of the son actually taking after his father which belongs under InTheBlood. According to the [[Sandbox/LoserSonOfLoserDadWickCheck wick check]] 56% are unfairly perceived as losers, 30% are actually losers, 8% are ZCE.

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LoserSonOfLoserDad is about unfair perception, before the son even does anything he is being unfairly compared to his father. father, before even does anything.

To many examples are of the son actually taking after his father father, which belongs under InTheBlood. tropes like ItRunsInTheFamily, InTheBlood, TurnsOutLikeHisFather, and LikeFatherLikeSon. Even the quote is about Bart commenting about his father and grandfather being losers, then realizing he will become one too.

According to the [[Sandbox/LoserSonOfLoserDadWickCheck wick check]] check]], 56% are unfairly perceived as losers, 30% 34% are actually losers, 8% 10% are ZCE.
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[[folder:Kewpie Doll Surprise]]

'''OP by''': @/{{animuacid}}\\
'''Category''': Not thriving

KewpieDollSurprise, a trope from 2007 or before, is in a poor state: less than 900 inbounds, 7 on-page examples and 23 wicks, which puts it just under the limit of "Starving". The definition is "an anime girl flapping their arms in a "Y" pose when excited or shocked", which overlaps with HumanHummingbird, a trope about flailing the limbs fast when excited or shocked. The name doesn't help, as not everyone knows what a Kewpie doll is.

I've [[Sandbox/KewpieDollWickCheck checked the 23 wicks]], and classified them like this:
* 5 were correct use.
* 7 were zero-context examples.
* 11 were unclassifiable, such as indices.
!!Possible solutions
* Cut
* Merge with HumanHummingbird

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# '''@/{{animuacid}}''': KewpieDollSurprise(can be launched without me, but please ping me)

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# '''@/Azorius24''': CommonHollywoodSexTraits (Can be launched without me, please ping and use OP)



# '''@/Azorius24:''' CommonHollywoodSexTraits (Can be launched without me, please ping and use OP)


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# '''@/Azorius24:''' CommonHollywoodSexTraits (Can be launched without me, please ping and use OP)



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[[folder:Common Hollywood Sex Traits]]
!!The Problem: Not Tropeworthy

CommonHollywoodSexTraits is... an odd one. The core idea of the trope appears to be "sex isn't always sexy" and concerns unrealistic portrayals or attitudes towards sex in media. The trope page, however, is probably best described as "a list of ways sex acts are misrepresented in the media", as noted on the IdealizedSex page. Said list goes into quite a lot of detail about specific sex acts and includes what could be described as porn tropes, giving rise to a possible violation of Administrivia/NoLewdnessNoPrudishness. Indeed, I became aware of this page after it was raised on a [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17144084930.48020900&page=1#16 Content Violations thread]], with no action being taken because Administrivia/TheContentPolicy only applies to work pages.

In any case, with only 26 wicks, I feel this might be Administrivia/NotATrope: it's formatted almost more like a UsefulNote, and the examples in the [[Sandbox/HollywoodSexTraitsWickCheck wick check]] that aren't indexes are examples of "sex is portrayed realistically/unrealistically", which typically fall under IdealizedSex. As such, I think there are grounds for converting it to an "Artistic Licence: Sex" SuperTrope, or just redirecting to IdealizedSex which seems to cover its core content already -- there doesn't need to be a list of all of the ways it can manifest.

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!!Potential solutions:
* Cut and redirect to IdealizedSex.
* Convert to index or SuperTrope along the lines of "Artistic Licence: Sex". Tropes could include AnatomicallyImpossibleSex, IkeaErotica, AManIsAlwaysEager, etc.
* Convert to UsefulNotes. (''Probably'' not)

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# '''@/{{Mrph1}}:''' ComicBookRun (can be launched without me, but please ping me as well)

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# '''@/ElRise:''' KatanasAreJustBetter (Can launch without me with credit and my OP, please ping)



[[folder:Katanas Are Just Better]]
(By @/ElRise)\\
'''Category: Misuse'''\\\
Another weapon trope to deal with.

KatanasAreJustBetter is when the katana is portrayed as superior to other weapons. Like other weapon tropes, it quickly devolved into "a katana is used / present". A [[Sandbox.KatanasBetterCheck wick check]] is conducted to gauge the severity of misuse and sinkholes. Here are the results:
* Correct: 2/60 ('''3.33%''')
* Misuse: 28/60 ('''46.67%''')
* ZCE: 9/60 ('''15%''')
* Sinkhole: 21/60 ('''35%''')

Solutions (open to other options):
* Rename + put a note in the trope description saying "character has katana" is incorrect.
* New trope (GratuitousKatana?)
* Cut / Disambig + Yard
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# '''@/{{JHD0919}}''': SheIsAllGrownUp (Can launch without me, but please credit & ping me.)



[[folder:She Is All Grown Up]]
'''[[https://web.archive.org/web/20060512062152/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SheIsAllGrownUp Courtesy link to the oldest version of the page on the Internet Archive]]'''

SheIsAllGrownUp is when a character acknowledges a friend of theirs (usually a Childhood Friend) has grown up to look nice. Unfortunately, the requirement of there being an In-Universe Acknowledgement is often ignored, leading to many examples simply describing a character that has grown up. I conducted a [[Sandbox/WickCheckIsAllGrownUp wick check]] to see how much misuse there was, and here are the results:

* 14/60 were correct
* '''26/60 were misuse'''
* 11/60 were gushing
* 6/60 were ZCE
* 3/60 were other/misc

I recommend the trope is renamed to make it clearer that the acknowledgement is required.
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'''[[https://web.archive.org/web/20060512062152/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SheIsAllGrownUp Courtesy link to the oldest version of the page on the Internet Archive]]'''

SheIsAllGrownUp is when a character acknowledges a friend of theirs (usually a Childhood Friend) has grown up to look nice. Unfortunately, the requirement of there being an In-Universe Acknowledgement is often ignored, leading to many examples simply describing a character that has grown up. I conducted a [[Sandbox/WickCheckIsAllGrownUp wick check]] to see how much misuse there was, and here are the results:

* 14/60 were correct
* '''26/60 were misuse'''
* 11/60 were gushing
* 6/60 were ZCE
* 3/60 were other/misc

I recommend the trope is renamed to make it clearer that the acknowledgement is required.
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# '''@/{{Malady}}:''' MartialArtsHeadband (Can launch without me, but ping me.)



[[folder:MartialArtsHeadband]]
About 1/4 of all currently checked examples are zero context, about 1/5 are just that someone wears one, and about 1/10 are each "invoking BadassesWearBandanas" and "Martial Arts / Japan / Ninja".

Sandbox/MartialArtsHeadbandWickCheck - Checked 100+ of almost 500 wicks.
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# '''@/MissConduct''': UnequalPairing (can be launched without me with credit, ping appreciated.)



(working on completely redoing the wick check (Sandbox/OvershadowedByControversyWickCheck))

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(working on completely redoing (Completely redid the wick check (Sandbox/OvershadowedByControversyWickCheck))
recently (Sandbox/OvershadowedByControversyWickCheck). Working on rewriting the OP.)


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!!By: Miss Conduct


OP in progress. Sandbox/UnequalPairingWickCheck.
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# '''Love Bird''': AceOfSpades (can launch without me)

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# '''Love Bird''': '''@/LoveBird''': AceOfSpades (can launch without me)



# '''Love Bird''': OutGivingBirthBackInTwoMinutes (can launch without me)

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By: @//MissConduct\\

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# '''@/{{Malady}}:''' MartialArtsHeadband (wick check incomplete. Can launch without me, but ping me.)

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* '''27/60 were misuse'''

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* '''27/60 '''26/60 were misuse'''



* 5/60 were ZCE

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* 5/60 6/60 were ZCE
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AbortedDeclarationOfLove is supposed to be about when a character has a last chance to confess their love for a character, but doesn't go through with it do to the fact that the character confessed to will not be able act on the confession.

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AbortedDeclarationOfLove is supposed to be about when a character has a last chance to confess their love for a character, but doesn't go through with it do it, due to the fact that the character confessed to will not be able act on to return the confession.
confessor's feelings. Reason can include the confessor is about to die, the confessed to person being in a relationship with another person, or the two will be separated with no indication that they will ever reunite.



This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 72% Aborted Declaration with no indication of not getting another chance, 14% zero context examples, 10% "speak now or forever hold your peace" examples, and 4% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.

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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 72% 68% Aborted Declaration with no indication of not getting another chance, 14% zero context examples, 10% "speak now or forever hold your peace" examples, and 4% 6% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.InterruptedDeclarationOfLove, and 2% other example.
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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 14% zero context examples, 10% "speak now or forever hold your peace" examples, and 4% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.

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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 72% Aborted Declaration with no indication of not getting another chance, 14% zero context examples, 10% "speak now or forever hold your peace" examples, and 4% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.

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[[folder:Animeland]]
{{Animeland}} is when a media's representation of Japan is based entirely on stock Japanese media tropes, with {{ninja}}, {{samurai}}, {{Kaiju}}, {{Magical Girl}}s, {{Humongous Mecha}}s and NaughtyTentacles being commonplace.

I arrived on the page some days ago by doing random clicking, and I immediately noticed two things: Not only there aren't many on-page examples (the folder with most examples is the one for WesternAnimation with ''5''), but like one third of them are [=ZCE=]. After a few hours of sleep I went on to do [[Sandbox/AnimelandWickCheck a wick check]], and even that was kinda hard to do since it doesn't have even 100 wicks in total. But after a few days I managed to check 50 wicks as per usual and the result is:

* 18 wicks (36%) are valid examples: they all either present a vision of Japan based on pop culture stereotypes or discuss such representations.
* 2 wicks (4%) feel like misuses to me: one has a character assuming that all Japanese peoples know Franchise/{{Godzilla}} as if he was a real creature, the other mentions a ShowWithinTheShow that is an over the top parody of shonen anime.
* 28 wicks (56%) are Administrivia/{{Zero Context Example}}s: most of them are just "Japan or Japan-like place is represented like this", others have even less context, two are just the name of the trope and nothing else, three pothole the trope under mentions of Japan or Tokyo...
* 2 wicks (4%) are a bit iffy and don't know if are valid or not: one mentions a character watching anime to do research on Japan, while the other just potholes the name of the trope in the middle of one example and, while lacking context if taken by itself, many other tropes on the same page describe the same scene with more context.

In any case, the trope is clearly not thriving and there are a lot of [=ZCE=]. What can we do to fix it?
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# '''@/{{Malady}}:''' MartialArtsHeadband (wick check incomplete. Can launch without me, but ping me.) '''(on hold until the wick check is complete)'''

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# '''@/{{Malady}}:''' MartialArtsHeadband (wick check incomplete. Can launch without me, but ping me.) '''(on hold until the wick check is complete)''')



Chairs of martial artists that wear a specific headband style? If it's "Someone wears a headband to psyche themselves up", that'd work?

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Chairs About 1/4 of martial artists all currently checked examples are zero context, about 1/5 are just that wear a specific headband style? If it's "Someone someone wears a headband to psyche themselves up", that'd work?

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one, and about 1/10 are each "invoking BadassesWearBandanas" and "Martial Arts / Japan / Ninja".

Sandbox/MartialArtsHeadbandWickCheck - Checked 100+ of almost 500 wicks.
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# '''@/{{JHD0919}}''': SuperTitle64Advance (OP to be drafted later) '''(On hold pending [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17132857490A44444400&page=1#comment-1 Trope Talk discussion]] regarding whether I interpreted Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs correctly)'''
# '''@/{{JHD0919}}''': CleavageWindow (Wick check incomplete. OP to be drafted later) '''(On hold pending [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17132857490A44444400&page=1#comment-1 Trope Talk discussion]] regarding whether I interpreted Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs correctly)'''

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# '''@/{{JHD0919}}''': SheIsAllGrownUp (Wick check incomplete. OP to be drafted later)

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[[folder:She Is All Grown Up]]
'''[[https://web.archive.org/web/20060512062152/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SheIsAllGrownUp Courtesy link to the oldest version of the page on the Internet Archive]]'''

SheIsAllGrownUp is when a character acknowledges a friend of theirs (usually a Childhood Friend) has grown up to look nice. Unfortunately, the requirement of there being an In-Universe Acknowledgement is often ignored, leading to many examples simply describing a character that has grown up. I conducted a [[Sandbox/WickCheckIsAllGrownUp wick check]] to see how much misuse there was, and here are the results:

* 14/60 were correct
* '''27/60 were misuse'''
* 11/60 were gushing
* 5/60 were ZCE
* 3/60 were other/misc

I recommend the trope is renamed to make it clearer that the acknowledgement is required.
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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 14% zero context examples, 10% "speak now or forever hold your peace" examples, and 2% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.

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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 14% zero context examples, 10% "speak now or forever hold your peace" examples, and 2% 4% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.
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Unfortunately a good deal of the wicks of the character abort their declaration with no indication that they will get no other chance, more often then not it is a mere speedbump on the road to the declaration of love.

Most examples fit under the trope FalseStart, however that trope also includes instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove and MomentKiller. CanNotSpitItOut is similar but is a character trope, and can be about other things a character can not spit out other then love.

This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 14% zero context, 10% of the "speak now or forever hold your peace" variety and 2% InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.

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Unfortunately a good deal of the wicks of the character abort their declaration with no indication that they will get no other chance, more often then not it is a mere speedbump on the road to the declaration of love.

Most examples fit
love. This falls under the the trope FalseStart, however that trope also includes instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove and MomentKiller. MomentKiller.

CanNotSpitItOut is similar but is about a character trope, can not open up about their feelings rather then a specific instance of them being unable to open up, and it can be about other things a character can not spit out other then love.

This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 14% zero context, context examples, 10% of the "speak now or forever hold your peace" variety examples, and 2% instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.
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Most examples fit under the trope FalseStart, however that trope also includes instances of InterruptedDeclarationOfLove and MomentKiller. CanNotSpitItOut is similar but is a character trope, and can be about other things a character can not spit out other then love.
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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 5% of the "speak now or forever hold your peace" variety and 5% are zero context.

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This [[Sandbox/AbortedDeclarationOfLoveWickCheck Wick Check]] has 5% 14% zero context, 10% of the "speak now or forever hold your peace" variety and 5% are zero context.2% InterruptedDeclarationOfLove.

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