History Sandbox / ManufacturingWickChecks

'''Category: Not Tropeworthy'''

ManufacturingVictims is supposed to be a trope about when a therapist keeps a patient stuck in their problems or even makes them worse, but several of the examples are shoehorned (typically by involving non-therapists).

Finally, it's unfortunate that both the trope name and the description give undue weight to a non-notable author's criticism of therapy. Especially considering the dubiousness of naming an [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease NRLEP trope]] after a non-fiction book with an agenda.

'''Category: Not Thriving'''

Finally, it's unfortunate that both the trope name and the description give undue weight to a non-notable author's criticism of therapy.

The trope name likely also contributes to the low amount of use because it doesn't make it clear that the trope about unhelpful therapy, which makes it harder to find if you're looking for something like that. It also leads to dubious examples that aren't about therapy (or something very similar like self-help groups). In particular, some people confuse it for PoisonAndCureGambit -- after all, you are "manufacturing" victims if you caused their problem in the first place.

ManufacturingVictims is supposed to be about when a therapist keeps a patient stuck in their problems, or even makes them worse.

The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, the wicks only reveal about 11 distinct fictional examples (most of the rest are index listings or mentions in other trope descriptions). Even most of the trope description is about how the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader trope like "an unethical healthcare practitioner exploits the patient for their own gain" or "the 'help' from an unethical or badly misguided healthcare practitioner is useless or only makes it worse".

I suspect that the trope name has something to do with the underuse because it doesn't make it clear it's about therapy (and several of the examples that do exist lack this aspect or fail to make it clear). It's also unfortunate that it sounds like PoisonAndCureGambit (you are "manufacturing" victims if you caused the problem in the first place, and that it (along with the trope description as a whole) gives undue weight to a non-notable author's criticism of therapy.

Proposed solution: Cut the page and yard the broader, potentially tropeworthy ideas. Post the salvageable examples somewhere for use for those potential pages.

Proposed solution: Send it back to the TLP for a rename and a rework into something broader. Or just cut and yard.

[[folder:Someone distrubutes a drug to exploit addicts (6/31, 19%)]]

# Theatre/TheWildDuck: The profession of Relling, to the disgust of Gregers. He claims that Molvik is "daemonic", but openly admits that this is a meaningless label intended to keep Molvik from collapsing under the weight of his own self-loathing (if his alcoholism doesn't kill him first). Hjalmar believes in an "invention" he shall create, but he never actually works on it, instead spending long hours lying on the sofa supposedly thinking about it. '''A dubious attempt at therapy for sure, but no mention of the therapist making him worse (he seems to be a hopeless case) or keeping him addicted'''

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[[folder: Miscellaneous questionable use (8/31)]]

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Proposed solution: Send it back to the TLP for a rename and a rework into something broader.

The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, the wicks only reveal about 11 distinct fictional examples (most of the rest are index listings or mentions in other trope descriptions). Even most of the trope description is about how the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader "unethical therapist exploiting the patient for their own gain" (or even "unethical healthcare practitioner exploiting the patient for their own gain") trope. (Should that trope require malicious intent, or also include practitioners who are on some level well-intentioned?)

Possible solution: Send it back to the TLP for a rename and a rework into something broader

The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, the wicks only reveal about 11 distinct fictional examples (most of the rest are index listings or mentions in other trope descriptions). Even most of the trope description is about how the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader "unethical therapist exploiting the patient for their own gain" (or even "unethical healthcare practitioner exploiting the patient for their own gain") trope.

I suspect that the trope name has something to do with the underuse because it doesn't make it clear it's about therapy (and several of the examples that do exist lack this aspect or fail to make it clear). It's also unfortunate that it can lead to misuse when PoisonAndCureGambit fits better (you are "manufacturing" victims if you caused the problem in the first place, and that it (along with the trope description as a whole) gives undue weight to one non-notable author's criticism of therapy.

[[folder: Miscellaneous use (8/31)]]

# Characters.BioShock1: By using ADAM in his treatments, Steinman unwittingly ensured that any of his patients that weren't already addicted had a pretty good chance of becoming addicted after leaving the surgery. And given that excessive use of ADAM tends to result in disfiguration, quite a few of his patients would have returned for further treatments. '''Doesn't seem to be about therapy'''

I suspect that the trope name has something to do with the underuse because it doesn't make it clear it's about therapy (indeed, several examples lack a therapeutic aspect). It's also unfortunate that it can lead to misuse when PoisonAndCureGambit fits better (you are "manufacturing" victims if you caused the problem in the first place, and that it (along with the trope description as a whole) gives undue weight to one non-notable author's criticism of therapy.

The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, the wicks only reveal about 11 distinct fictional examples (most of the rest are index listings or mentions in other trope descriptions). Even most of the trope description is about how the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader "unethical therapist exploiting the patient for their own gain" (or even "unethical healthcare practitioner (doctor, therapist, nurse, etc.) exploiting the patient for their own gain") trope.

The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, only about 13 of the wicks involve fictional examples (most of the rest are index listings or mentions in other trope descriptions). Even most of the trope description is about how the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader "unethical therapist exploiting the patient for their own gain" (or even "unethical healthcare practitioner (doctor, therapist, nurse, etc.) exploiting the patient for their own gain") trope.

The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, only about 13 of the wicks revolve around the trope being used in fiction (most of the rest are index listings or mentions in other trope descriptions). Even most of the trope description is about the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader "unethical therapist exploiting the patient for their own gain" (or even "unethical 'caregiver' (doctor, therapist, nurse, etc.) exploiting the patient for their own gain") trope.

I suspect that the trope name has something to do with the underuse because it doesn't make it clear it's about therapy. It's also unfortunate that it can lead to misuse when PoisonAndCureGambit fits better (you are "manufacturing" victims if you caused the problem in the first place, and that it (along with the trope description as a whole) gives undue weight to one obscure, non-notable author's criticism of therapy.

Possible solution: Rename it, rework it into something broader and send it back to the TLP

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# LawAndOrderSVU/TropesGToP: The show has played this card a few times.
** There's a few episodes that deal with "repressed memory" therapists and the problems they cause, since "repressed memories" are usually false.
** The cast does it too, though. There are numerous incidents where a "victim" doesn't think she was victimized, and she is portrayed as being in denial. Which is possible, although in some cases it seems more like they legitimately weren't traumatized by whatever "should" have traumatized them.
*** On one occasion, the victim couldn't remember the rape since she'd been drugged (the squad only knows because the rapist recorded it) and makes the argument to Liv that she is ''trying'' to make her feel victimized while Liv maintains that the woman has to deal with the trauma, even if she can't remember.
--> Victim (having not claimed to have been assaulted up to this point): "How did I get these bruises on my legs?"
--> Benson: "That's where your rapist prised your thighs apart prior to raping you".

[[folder:Company makes a drug to exploit addicts (4/29)]]

# Sandbox.MagnificentBastardAnimatedFilms: ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'': [[DeepCoverAgent Audrey and Mike]] are two cops who have tried to infiltrate New Path, '''[[ManufacturingVictims a rehab company which is secretly flooding the drug Market Substance D]]'''. To this end they end up getting Bob Arctor hooked on Substance D by having Audrey pose as Hank, his boss, and Donna as his supplier. With Donna supplying him the drugs and Hank ordering him to spy on himself, they end up [[DrivenToMadness driving him further into addiction]] such that he'll be forced to go to a New Path rehab. While there, Mike, as an orderly, has him transferred to a farm. They later debate the moral and practical aspects of the plan with Mike thinking it'll be worth it for future generations and [[BatmanGambit hoping that Arctor has enough function to take back some evidence of the production]]. His hope turns out to be well founded; Arctor takes a flower which is one of Substance D ingredients, planning to give it to his friends when he sees them on Thanksgiving.

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# BrandNamesAreBetter: Music/{{Eminem}}'s ''Relapse'' has been noted by critics as containing an entire pharmacopeia of branded drugs, many of which will have listeners running to Google. This was because Em, a word geek, [[AuthorVocabularyCalendar fell in love with the different brand names for medication]] during his stay in rehab, liking how they used unusual and catchy combinations of vowel sounds that made them fun to rhyme things with. It also helps emphasise the fact that, [[ConceptAlbum in the story]], Slim isn't addicted to the scary illegal drugs that normally show up in rap music (although there's a couple of mentions of weed and ecstasy), but to the apparently [[GRatedDrug mundane]] drugs prescribed by doctors in a health system based on ManufacturingVictims. '''Features doctors in general, not just therapists.'''

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The trope has 29 wicks -- not quite starving, but pretty low for a trope created back in 2010. Worse, only about 13 of the wicks revolve around how the trope is used in fiction (most of the rest are ). Even most of the trope description is about the trope applies in ''real life'', not fiction. This suggests that the pattern of "therapist just keeps the patient dependent on therapy" is potentially Administrivia/TooRareToTrope and better off folded into a broader "unethical therapist exploiting the patient for their own gain" (or even "unethical 'caregiver' (doctor, therapist, nurse, etc.) exploiting the patient for their own gain") trope.