History SadisticChoice / LiveActionTV

3rd Oct '16 6:47:54 AM nighttrainfm
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* In ''Series/TheFlash2014'', [[Creator/WentworthMiller Leonard Snart]] (AKA Captain Cold) figures out "the Streak"'s (Barry's nickname before "the Flash" catches on) weakness - he cares what happens to innocent people. So he chooses to escape by train. Barry catches up to him only discover that Snart has planned for this. Snart uses the [[FreezeRay cold gun]] to derail the train and jumps out, forcing Barry to choose whether to save the passengers or chase the bad guy. Naturally, he chooses to save the innocents, and manages to do it as the train cars are tumbling. As it turns out, Snart does not escape and nearly kills Barry afterwards. In a later episode, [[Series/{{Arrow}} Oliver]] berates Barry for rushing into the situation without exploring alternative options. In the second half of the season, Snart returns and kidnaps Cisco, one of the Flash's teammates. After forcing the engineer to re-build some very dangerous weaponry, Snart gives him the choice between giving up the Flash's identity, or watching his brother die. [[spoiler: Cisco gives up Barry's name, and for the rest of the episode feels intense guilt, says he isn't worthy of working at STAR, and even implies that he believes that his teammates think it was "the wrong choice."]]

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[[Creator/WentworthMiller Leonard Snart]] (AKA Captain Cold) figures out "the Streak"'s (Barry's nickname before "the Flash" catches on) weakness - he cares what happens to innocent people. So he chooses to escape by train. Barry catches up to him only discover that Snart has planned for this. Snart uses the [[FreezeRay cold gun]] to derail the train and jumps out, forcing Barry to choose whether to save the passengers or chase the bad guy. Naturally, he chooses to save the innocents, and manages to do it as the train cars are tumbling. As it turns out, Snart does not escape and nearly kills Barry afterwards. In a later episode, [[Series/{{Arrow}} Oliver]] berates Barry for rushing into the situation without exploring alternative options.
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In the second half of the season, Snart returns and kidnaps Cisco, one of the Flash's teammates. After forcing the engineer to re-build some very dangerous weaponry, Snart gives him the choice between giving up the Flash's identity, or watching his brother die. [[spoiler: Cisco gives up Barry's name, and for the rest of the episode feels intense guilt, says he isn't worthy of working at STAR, and even implies that he believes that his teammates think it was "the wrong choice."]]" In reality, they all understand that it was an impossible situation and there's no grudge-holding whatsoever.]]
12th Sep '16 10:06:25 AM ultimomant
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* ''Series/LoisAndClark'': In one episode, a mysterious couple kidnaps [[TheScrappy Jimmy]] and Clark's adoptive parents. They then tie Jimmy to a bomb in an undisclosed location, while doing the same with Clark's parents in another location. The bombs are set to go off at the same time. They give Superman a choice of saving his friend or his parents, as he only has enough time to find and disarm one bomb. Sipes decides to TakeAThirdOption and uses a beam splitter to fry both bombs with his [[EyeBeam laser vision]] from the sky. The kidnappers are not happy, as [[spoiler:they are actually [[HumanAliens Kryptonians]] sent to test Kal-El's qualifications for leadership of their LostColony. Their goal was to force him to make a tough choice, as a leader is likely to face many such choices. And there's not always going to be a third option to take. This later end sup biting Clark (and the world) in the ass, when the Kryptonians finally show up with Zod at the helm. Had Clark made the tough choice, he would have probably been the one in charge]].

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* ''Series/LoisAndClark'': In one episode, a mysterious couple kidnaps [[TheScrappy Jimmy]] and Clark's adoptive parents. They then tie Jimmy to a bomb in an undisclosed location, while doing the same with Clark's parents in another location. The bombs are set to go off at the same time. They give Superman a choice of saving his friend or his parents, as he only has enough time to find and disarm one bomb. Sipes decides to TakeAThirdOption and uses a beam splitter to fry both bombs with his [[EyeBeam laser vision]] from the sky. The kidnappers are not happy, as [[spoiler:they are actually [[HumanAliens Kryptonians]] sent to test Kal-El's qualifications for leadership of their LostColony. Their goal was to force him to make a tough choice, as a leader is likely to face many such choices. And there's not always going to be a third option to take. This later end sup ends up biting Clark (and the world) in the ass, when the Kryptonians finally show up with Zod at the helm. Had Clark made the tough choice, he would have probably been the one in charge]].
10th Aug '16 10:14:18 AM Ohio9
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*** In the episode "Children of Time", Ben Sisko discovers a planet inhabited by descendants of his crew as a result of the Reliant being thrown back in time 200 years by a temporal event and crash landing there. Now that he knows what causes the event, he has the opportunity to avoid it and prevent his crew from being marooned on an unoccupied planet 200 years in the past. However, avoiding the accident would cause the current inhabitants of the planet to be erased from existence, since they only exist as a result of the crash. Thus he is faced with the choice of whom to protect. Himself and his 48 crewmen on the Reliant, or the 8,000 people who would be lost if the accident is avoided.
30th Jul '16 10:26:00 PM JackG
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** In "Baby Blue", John Reese approached crime boss Elias for help in finding a kidnapped baby, citing EvenEvilHasStandards. Elias helps him find the baby, then holds them both hostage in a freezer truck until John is forced to give up the location of a Mafia boss being held in protective custody. Afterwards Elias claims he WouldNotHurtAChild, but he knows that John couldn't afford to take that chance.

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** In "Baby Blue", John Reese approached approaches crime boss Elias for help in finding a kidnapped baby, citing EvenEvilHasStandards. Elias helps him find the baby, then holds them both hostage in a freezer truck until John is forced to give up the location of a Mafia boss being held in protective custody. Afterwards Elias claims he WouldNotHurtAChild, but he knows that John couldn't afford to take that chance.
30th Jul '16 10:25:05 PM JackG
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* ''Series/PersonOfInterest'': In "The Crossing", Shaw only has time to save [[spoiler:Lionel Fusco]] or [[spoiler:his son]] from being killed by HR. She chooses the latter. [[spoiler:Fusco tells her that was the right choice, and then manages to save himself]].

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* ''Series/PersonOfInterest'': ''Series/PersonOfInterest''.
** In "Baby Blue", John Reese approached crime boss Elias for help in finding a kidnapped baby, citing EvenEvilHasStandards. Elias helps him find the baby, then holds them both hostage in a freezer truck until John is forced to give up the location of a Mafia boss being held in protective custody. Afterwards Elias claims he WouldNotHurtAChild, but he knows that John couldn't afford to take that chance.
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In "The Crossing", Shaw only has time to save [[spoiler:Lionel Fusco]] Lionel Fusco or [[spoiler:his son]] his son from being killed by HR. She chooses the latter. [[spoiler:Fusco tells her that was the right choice, and then manages to save himself]].
8th Jul '16 12:56:48 PM enigmaticagentalice
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** In the Season 3 episode 'Join Or Die', [[spoiler:Kane is forced to accept the chip that he knows will take away his emotions and free will, essentially making him a slave to A.L.I.E. Ironically, given the title of the episode, he IS actually willing to die rather than take the chip, but when Jaha holds a gun to Abby's head and threatens to kill her in front of him, he relents. Made worse by the fact that he is in extreme pain from being literally crucified while presented with this choice. It's not a good episode for him.]]
*** In fact, variations on this specific Sadistic Choice ([[spoiler:slavery to A.L.I.E. or the death or someone you love]]) are repeated several times throughout the latter half of season three. [[spoiler:It seems to be implied that physically *forcing* someone to ingest the chip doesn't work, so the recruiting method of choice for A.L.I.E. is to have an already controlled person threaten to harm themselves unless someone who cares about them takes the chip. Thus Abby takes the chip to save Raven, Kane takes the chip to save Abby, and so on. She tries this on Clarke too, by having Abby almost hang herself, but Clarke takes a third option.]]
24th Jun '16 10:01:10 AM Sapphirea2
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** In "The Girl Who Died", the Doctor has to choose between [[spoiler: saving Ashildr's life in a way that will make her an ageless, functional immortal]] or [[spoiler: leaving a family bereft and failing to live up to his chosen name and mission]]. Remembering the events of "The Fires of Pompeii", in which [[spoiler: he did manage to save one innocent family from the city]], he chooses the former. Tragically, his choice will set the stage for [[spoiler: her betraying him to the Time Lords centuries later, via a trap that accidentally kills his beloved companion Clara]] later in the season. Suffice it to say, the Doctor doesn't take this well '''[[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds at all]]'''.

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** In "The Girl Who Died", the Doctor has to choose chooses between [[spoiler: saving Ashildr's life in a way that will may make her an ageless, ageless functional immortal]] or [[spoiler: leaving a family bereft and failing to live up to his chosen name and mission]]. Remembering the events of "The Fires of Pompeii", in which [[spoiler: he did manage to save one innocent family from the city]], he chooses the former. Tragically, his choice will set sets the stage for [[spoiler: her betraying him to the Time Lords centuries later, later via a trap that accidentally kills his beloved companion Clara]] later in the season. Suffice it to say, the Doctor doesn't take this well '''[[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds at all]]'''.
24th Jun '16 7:08:58 AM ChronoLegion
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*** In the episode "I, Borg", the Enterprise crew captures a Borg drone. Picard soon learns there is a way to eliminate the Borg by planting a virus in the drone that will spread to the rest of the collective once the drone returns. Thus he is faced with the choice of manipulating a sentient life form in order to commit genocide against an entire race, or passing up the best opportunity to eliminate the most significant existential threat the federation has ever faced.

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*** In the episode "I, Borg", the Enterprise crew captures a Borg drone. Picard soon learns there is a way to eliminate the Borg by planting a virus in the drone that will spread to the rest of the collective once the drone returns. Thus he is faced with the choice of manipulating a sentient life form in order to commit genocide against an entire race, or passing up the best opportunity to eliminate the most significant existential threat the federation has ever faced. In a later episode, he is chastised for this by Admiral Nechayev, who then gives him a direct order to go ahead with the plan if such an opportunity presents itself again.
24th Jun '16 7:03:38 AM ChronoLegion
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* ''Series/LoisAndClark'': In one episode, a mysterious couple kidnaps [[TheScrappy Jimmy]] and Clark's adoptive parents. They then tie Jimmy to a bomb in an undisclosed location, while doing the same with Clark's parents in another location. The bombs are set to go off at the same time. They give Superman a choice of saving his friend or his parents, as he only has enough time to find and disarm one bomb. Sipes decides to TakeAThirdOption and uses a beam splitter to fry both bombs with his [[EyeBeam laser vision]] from the sky. The kidnappers are not happy, as [[spoiler:they are actually [[HumanAliens Kryptonians]] sent to test Kal-El's qualifications for leadership of their LostColony. Their goal was to force him to make a tough choice, as a leader is likely to face many such choices. And there's not always going to be a third option to take]].

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* ''Series/LoisAndClark'': In one episode, a mysterious couple kidnaps [[TheScrappy Jimmy]] and Clark's adoptive parents. They then tie Jimmy to a bomb in an undisclosed location, while doing the same with Clark's parents in another location. The bombs are set to go off at the same time. They give Superman a choice of saving his friend or his parents, as he only has enough time to find and disarm one bomb. Sipes decides to TakeAThirdOption and uses a beam splitter to fry both bombs with his [[EyeBeam laser vision]] from the sky. The kidnappers are not happy, as [[spoiler:they are actually [[HumanAliens Kryptonians]] sent to test Kal-El's qualifications for leadership of their LostColony. Their goal was to force him to make a tough choice, as a leader is likely to face many such choices. And there's not always going to be a third option to take]].take. This later end sup biting Clark (and the world) in the ass, when the Kryptonians finally show up with Zod at the helm. Had Clark made the tough choice, he would have probably been the one in charge]].
24th Jun '16 7:02:37 AM ChronoLegion
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* ''Series/LoisAndClark'': In one episode, a mysterious couple kidnaps [[TheScrappy Jimmy]] and Clark's adoptive parents. They then tie Jimmy to a bomb in an undisclosed location, while doing the same with Clark's parents in another location. The bombs are set to go off at the same time. They give Superman a choice of saving his friend or his parents, as he only has enough time to find and disarm one bomb. Sipes decides to TakeAThirdOption and uses a beam splitter to fry both bombs with his [[EyeBeam laser vision]] from the sky. The kidnappers are not happy, as [[spoiler:they are actually [[HumanAliens Kryptonians]] sent to test Kal-El's qualifications for leadership of their LostColony. Their goal was to force him to make a tough choice]].

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* ''Series/LoisAndClark'': In one episode, a mysterious couple kidnaps [[TheScrappy Jimmy]] and Clark's adoptive parents. They then tie Jimmy to a bomb in an undisclosed location, while doing the same with Clark's parents in another location. The bombs are set to go off at the same time. They give Superman a choice of saving his friend or his parents, as he only has enough time to find and disarm one bomb. Sipes decides to TakeAThirdOption and uses a beam splitter to fry both bombs with his [[EyeBeam laser vision]] from the sky. The kidnappers are not happy, as [[spoiler:they are actually [[HumanAliens Kryptonians]] sent to test Kal-El's qualifications for leadership of their LostColony. Their goal was to force him to make a tough choice]].choice, as a leader is likely to face many such choices. And there's not always going to be a third option to take]].
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