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** With the British having their hands full, Argentina sees an opportunity to grab the Falklands again. A single Polaris ICBM from HMS ''Revenge'' wipes out the Argentine fleet at Puerto Belgrano (and the adjacent city) before they can jump off. Other South American governments protest the action, and [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown Chile helps themselves to some now-undefended Argentine territory]].

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** With the British having their hands full, Argentina sees an opportunity to grab the Falklands again. A single Polaris ICBM SLBM from HMS ''Revenge'' wipes out the Argentine fleet at Puerto Belgrano (and the adjacent city) before they can jump off. Other South American governments protest the action, and [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown Chile helps themselves to some now-undefended Argentine territory]].
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* UnfortunateNames: the [[Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom AH.com thread mentions]] a Soviet general by the name of "Yuri Jurkov." 'Nuff said.
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''Red Dawn +20'' originally started as a thread on an Alternate History message board that ran ''[[LongRunner 335 pages]]'' before relocating to [[http://www.tboverse.us/HPCAFORUM/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=31 this members only message board dedicated to organizing the available information and subject matter]]. (TheWikiRule [[http://reddawnwwiii.wikia.com/wiki/Red_dawn_alt_hist_wwIII_Wiki is also enforced]].) After some considerable [[RetCon RetConning]] to separate some wheat from the chaff, a coherent, believable timeline for WorldWarIII emerged. A bloody conflict lasting from September 3, 1985, to October 14, 1989.

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''Red Dawn +20'' originally started as a thread on an Alternate History message board that ran ''[[LongRunner 335 pages]]'' before relocating to [[http://www.tboverse.us/HPCAFORUM/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=31 this members only message board dedicated to organizing the available information and subject matter]]. (TheWikiRule [[http://reddawnwwiii.wikia.com/wiki/Red_dawn_alt_hist_wwIII_Wiki is also enforced]].) After some considerable [[RetCon RetConning]] Retconning]] to separate some wheat from the chaff, a coherent, believable timeline for WorldWarIII emerged. A bloody conflict lasting from September 3, 1985, to October 14, 1989.
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** Marvel and DC Comics are both victims of the nuclear strike on New York. However, Creator/StanLee survives by virtue of having been in Los Angeles on a business trip. He promptly sets up a new publishing concern with some local publishers and is soon turning out new editions of ''Franchise/CaptainAmerica'', ''Franchise/IronMan'', and ''Franchise/TheAvengers''. These comics are not only distributed to the US military for morale purposes, but are also dropped by the Air Force on the occupied states, where they are incredibly popular, despite the KGB making their possession punishable by death.

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** Marvel and DC Comics are both victims of the nuclear strike on New York. However, Creator/StanLee survives by virtue of having been in Los Angeles on a business trip. He promptly sets up a new publishing concern with some local publishers and is soon turning out new editions of ''Franchise/CaptainAmerica'', ''Franchise/IronMan'', ''ComicBook/IronMan'', and ''Franchise/TheAvengers''. These comics are not only distributed to the US military for morale purposes, but are also dropped by the Air Force on the occupied states, where they are incredibly popular, despite the KGB making their possession punishable by death.
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* CurbStompBattle: Several. The Soviet drive through Alaska, the initial attempt to halt the Combloc advance in Texas, and the first major American counteroffensive are all disasters. On the other hand, an attempted invasion of southern Arizona by the Mexicans on Day 1 gets routed in a matter of hours, US and allied combined naval and air forces rip apart an attempted Soviet amphibious landing at New Orleans (a USMC pilot says that [[BlackComedy the sharks ate well that day]]), and another attempted landing at Seattle is utterly slaughtered by the US Navy.

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* CurbStompBattle: Several. The Soviet drive through Alaska, the initial attempt to halt the Combloc advance in Texas, and the first major American counteroffensive are all disasters. On the other hand, an attempted invasion of southern Arizona by the Mexicans on Day 1 gets routed in a matter of hours, US and allied combined naval and air forces rip apart an attempted Soviet amphibious landing at New Orleans (a USMC pilot aviator says that [[BlackComedy the sharks ate well that day]]), and another attempted landing at Seattle is utterly slaughtered by the US Navy.



* StuffBlowingUp: A U.S. Navy pilot, rolling in for a [[StandardHollywoodStrafingProcedure strafing run]] on a Soviet destroyer, suddenly finds himself having to dodge flying destroyer ''bits'' as an incoming [[{{BFG}} battleship-caliber salvo]] blasts the ship to pieces in his face.

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* StuffBlowingUp: A U.S. Navy pilot, aviator, rolling in for a [[StandardHollywoodStrafingProcedure strafing run]] on a Soviet destroyer, suddenly finds himself having to dodge flying destroyer ''bits'' as an incoming [[{{BFG}} battleship-caliber salvo]] blasts the ship to pieces in his face.
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* CurbStompBattle: Several. The Soviet drive through Alaska, the initial attempt to halt the Combloc advance in Texas, and the first major American counteroffensive are all disasters. On the other hand, an attempted invasion of southern Arizona by the Mexicans on Day 1 gets routed in a matter of hours, US and allied combined naval and air forces rip apart an attempted Soviet amphibious landing at New Orleans (a USMC pilot says that the sharks ate well that day), and another attempted landing at Seattle is utterly slaughtered by the US Navy.

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* CurbStompBattle: Several. The Soviet drive through Alaska, the initial attempt to halt the Combloc advance in Texas, and the first major American counteroffensive are all disasters. On the other hand, an attempted invasion of southern Arizona by the Mexicans on Day 1 gets routed in a matter of hours, US and allied combined naval and air forces rip apart an attempted Soviet amphibious landing at New Orleans (a USMC pilot says that [[BlackComedy the sharks ate well that day), day]]), and another attempted landing at Seattle is utterly slaughtered by the US Navy.



* PunnyName: After the invasion, Congress passes a Selective Service law that uses student loan data to find EVERYBODY of military age (including the ones who didn't--or, in the case of women, didn't have to--register for Selective Service. It's known as the [[CurbStompBattle Curb-Stomp Act]].

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* PunnyName: After the invasion, Congress passes a Selective Service law that uses student loan data to find EVERYBODY of military age (including the ones who didn't--or, in the case of women, didn't have to--register for Selective Service.Service). It's known as the [[CurbStompBattle Curb-Stomp Act]].
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** With the British having their hands full, Argentina sees an opportunity to grab the Falklands again. A single Polaris ICBM from HMS ''Revenge'' wipes out the Argentine fleet at Puerto Belgrano (and the adjacent city) before they can jump off. Other South American governments protest the action, and [[KickTheDog Chile helps themselves to some now-undefended Argentine territory]].

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** With the British having their hands full, Argentina sees an opportunity to grab the Falklands again. A single Polaris ICBM from HMS ''Revenge'' wipes out the Argentine fleet at Puerto Belgrano (and the adjacent city) before they can jump off. Other South American governments protest the action, and [[KickTheDog [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown Chile helps themselves to some now-undefended Argentine territory]].

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** As of 2009, Russia and other ex-Soviet states are cooperating with the US and Canadian governments to identify and repatriate the remains of Red Army casualties in North America.



* NukeEm: Speaking of the above, Washington D.C., New York, Omaha, Kansas City, and various nuclear silos in the Dakotas and Wyoming are wiped out. Most of China goes up in smoke as well, though duds spare Hong Kong, Macao, Fuzhou, and presumably a handful of other cities and military bases. The Chinese, likewise, manage to hinder Soviet air defenses by successfully firing a handful of nukes at Russia itself before they're destroyed, creating holes in its air defense shield, which the pilots of Operation EASTERN EXPRESS exploit over the next few years.

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* NukeEm: Speaking of the above, Washington D.C., New York, Omaha, Kansas City, and various nuclear silos in the Dakotas and Wyoming are wiped out.
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Most of China goes up in smoke as well, though duds spare Hong Kong, Macao, Fuzhou, and presumably a handful of other cities and military bases. The Chinese, likewise, manage to hinder Soviet air defenses by successfully firing a handful of nukes at Russia itself before they're destroyed, creating holes in its air defense shield, which the pilots of Operation EASTERN EXPRESS exploit over the next few years.years.
** With the British having their hands full, Argentina sees an opportunity to grab the Falklands again. A single Polaris ICBM from HMS ''Revenge'' wipes out the Argentine fleet at Puerto Belgrano (and the adjacent city) before they can jump off. Other South American governments protest the action, and [[KickTheDog Chile helps themselves to some now-undefended Argentine territory]].
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* DueToTheDead, in addition to many memorials to US servicemen and guerillas, several towns in west Texas fly the South Korean flag alongside the Stars & Stripes in honor of the ROK Expeditionary Force that fought in Operation Border Fury. The State of Texas also maintains a cemetery for South Korean soldiers who died helping to liberate the occupied states.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: InUniverse. A few bizarre and confusing moments during the war are mentioned. One poster, tells of a Vietnamese army marching band that surrenders by approaching his unit unarmed and playing "The Stars and Stripes Forever," adding, [[LampshadeHanging "Yeah, my War got weird at times."]]

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** One of the posters speaks highly of a fighter pilot named [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 Kara Thrace]]; there's also a RAF exchange pilot named Kara Shaw, Athena flies a RF-4C Phantom II, and a Colonel Tigh is mentioned.

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** One of the posters speaks highly of a USAF fighter pilot named [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 1st Lt. Kara Thrace]]; Sackhoff, callsign "Starbuck,"]] who habitually "drove her F-4 like she stole it" and was known for pulling high-G maneuvers in combat that nearly tore her Phantom's wings off; there's also a RAF exchange pilot named Kara Shaw, Athena flies a RF-4C Phantom II, and a Colonel Tigh is mentioned.
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*** Taken UpToEleven by a private pilot with a restored WWI-vintage Sopwith Camel biplane fighter. The Air Force appreciates his tenacity, but don’t let him anywhere near the front line, so he flies air support for Army units hunting ''Spetznaz'' in Kentucky and southern Ohio instead. Amazingly, he and his plane survive the war.
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* ThrowItIn: The film never once hints at New York City getting nuked. Someone on the thread did, and as a result, it's wiped out in this timeline.

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* BoardingParty: During the Battle of the Baltic Exits, HMS ''Yarmouth'' (the "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Crazy Y]]") managed to board and capture a crippled ''Krivak'' class frigate, towing her prize into Rosyth Harbor two days later.



* BoardingParty: During the Battle of the Baltic Exits, HMS ''Yarmouth'' (the "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Crazy Y]]") managed to board and capture a crippled ''Krivak'' class frigate, towing her prize into Rosyth Harbor two days later.
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* OneSteveLimit: Averted and lampshaded with warships. USS ''Chicago'' (CG-11), built in WWII as a ''Baltimore''-class heavy cruiser and rebuilt in the late 50s as an ''Albany''-class guided missile cruiser, [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece is pulled out of mothballs and reactivated]], with nobody bothering to give her a new name. This is said to occasionally cause confusion when she operates alongside the submarine USS ''Chicago'' (SSN-721).

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* AmazonBrigade: A very famous and successful US Army attack helicopter battalion nicknamed the Cobra Chicks has all-female flight crews flying AH-1 Cobra gunships. Multiple all-female B-52 crews are also mentioned.

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* AmazonBrigade: A very famous and successful US Army attack helicopter battalion nicknamed the Cobra Chicks has all-female flight crews flying AH-1 Cobra gunships. Multiple all-female B-52 crews are also mentioned. Many of them politely refuse modeling offers from ''Playboy'' after the war.



** An Army veteran fondly describes the reactivated Vietnam-era F-105 Thunderchief as “big, loud, and very accurate with the ordnance.”
* CurbStompBattle: Several. The Soviet drive through Alaska, the initial attempt to halt the Combloc advance in Texas, and the first major American counteroffensive are all disasters. On the other hand, an attempted invasion of southern Arizona by the Mexicans on Day 1 gets routed in a matter of hours, US and allied combined naval and air forces rip apart an attempted Soviet amphibious landing at New Orleans (a USMC pilot says that the sharks ate well that day), and another attempted landing at Seattle is utterly slaughtered by the US Navy.



* FullFrontalAssault: A female USAF MP chases down and captures a Cuban soldier who took her encampment by surprise while she's wearing combat boots... and ''only'' combat boots. She ''really'' didn’t appreciate having her weekend interrupted!

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* FullFrontalAssault: A female USAF MP enjoying a weekend pass with some squadronmates chases down and captures a Cuban soldier who took her encampment by surprise while she's wearing combat boots... and ''only'' combat boots. She ''really'' didn’t appreciate having her weekend interrupted!



* GroinAttack: When a Libyan colonel with a pelvic wound captured by a Marine unit refuses to talk, his interrogators point to their Jewish battalion surgeon, who supposedly has already taken the liberty of castrating other Arab [=POWs=]. He becomes ''very'' cooperative. The surgeon (who didn’t actually cut anyone’s balls off) thinks it’s hilarious.



** Fidel Castro is tried in absentia and convicted of war crimes, but [[LoopholeAbuse stays in Cuba and hides behind the ceasefire agreement]]. He still tries to hold American [=POWs=] hostage in violation of the peace treaty, prompting a blockade by the US Navy (Castro loses), and shelters high-profile American collaborators. Almost every poster refers at some point to having a lot of unfinished business with Cuba in general and Fidel and Raoul in particular.

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** Fidel Castro is tried in absentia and convicted of war crimes, but [[LoopholeAbuse stays in Cuba and hides behind the ceasefire agreement]]. He still tries to hold American [=POWs=] hostage in violation of the ceasefire (no official peace treaty, treaty is signed), prompting a blockade by the US Navy (Castro loses), and shelters high-profile American collaborators. Almost every poster refers at some point to having a lot of unfinished business with Cuba in general and Fidel and Raoul in particular.


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** A Navy surgeon witnesses two American warships destroying a Soviet freighter packed with munitions on July 4th, 1987. "Best 4th of July show ever!"

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** Marvel and DC Comics are both victims of the nuclear strike on New York. However, Creator/StanLee survives by virtue of having been in Los Angeles on a business trip. He promptly sets up a new publishing concern with some local publishers and is soon turning out new editions of ''Franchise/CaptainAmerica'', ''Franchise/IronMan'', and ''Franchise/TheAvengers''. These comics are not only distributed to the US military for morale purposes, but are also dropped by the Air Force on the occupied states, where they are incredibly popular, despite the KGB making their possession punishable by death.



* LesCollaborateurs: The ALA (American Liberation Army) is a military/security force raised in the occupied states. It's membership ranges from people who are forcibly conscripted, reluctantly join for free food, criminals looking for a reduced sentence and a lot of power, and of course, true-believers. While the conscripts are generally pitied, the rest are regarded as beneath contempt. One USAF veteran says that he still thinks it "would be worth ruining a perfectly-good million-dollar J-79 engine just to toss one of those scumbags down the intake."

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* LesCollaborateurs: The ALA (American Liberation Army) is a military/security force raised in the occupied states. It's membership ranges from people who are forcibly conscripted, reluctantly join for free food, criminals looking for a reduced sentence and a lot of power, and of course, true-believers. While the conscripts are generally pitied, the rest are regarded as beneath contempt. One USAF veteran says that he still thinks it "would be worth ruining a perfectly-good million-dollar J-79 engine just to [[TurbineBlender toss one of those scumbags down the intake.intake]]."


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*** A comic book adaptation is also mentioned, and a former tank gunner mentions his loader having been a devoted fan.
-->''I used to ask him, "Why the hell do you read that, Frank? You '''live''' the fuckin' thing every day!"''
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** ''By Dawn’s Early Light'' gets one in the form of a B-52 copilot named Moreau, who is said to bear an uncanny resemblance to Creator/RebeccaDeMornay.
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* AmazonBrigade: A very famous and successful US Army attack helicopter battalion nicknamed the Cobra Chicks has all-female flight crews flying AH-1 Cobra gunships. Multiple all-female B-52 crews are also mentioned.
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** Creator/HeathLedger plays Franchise/CaptainAmerica in a movie directed by Creator/StevenSpielberg that shifts the title character into WWIII.

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** Creator/HeathLedger plays Franchise/CaptainAmerica in a movie directed by Creator/StevenSpielberg that shifts the title character into WWIII. ''Film/SavingPrivateRyan'' is set during the Battle of Houston.
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** Creator/HeathLedger plays Franchise/CaptainAmerica in a movie directed by Creator/StevenSpielberg that shifts the title character into WWIII.
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* BadassNative: In addition to American Indians serving in regular roles, the US Army establishes several "Indian Scout" units that serve in long-range reconnaissance, airbase security, and counterintelligence/counterinsurgency roles. The Apache Scouts quickly become the most feared, as they submit communist scalps as proof of their body count, collect body parts as trophies, and have close air support on speed-dial in the unlikely event that they actually get cornered. The Army also runs a campaign to convince the invaders’ grunts that the Indians are cannibals (which the Apache find funny as hell).
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** A Cuban officer nicknamed [[RedBaron the Grim Reaper]] and heavily implied to be Bella’s aide from the movie (“Seems he was a combat officer early in the war, but somehow his face and an RPG backblast got acquainted”) is tried for war crimes and not only shows no remorse, but actually ''brags'' about torturing prisoners (and raping the female ones). There is discussion as to whether he was always such a nasty bastard or if his injury made him that way.

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** An enthusiast in Missouri donates his entire collection of restored American, British, and German WWII/Korean War armored vehicles to the Army. The sight of a crew of "black [=GIs=] riding an ex-SS Panther leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan" turns quite a few heads. After the war, his collection is short a couple of destroyed vehicles, but the Army compensates him with a fleet of captured Soviet armor.

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** An enthusiast in Missouri donates his entire collection of restored American, British, and German WWII/Korean War armored vehicles to the Army. The sight of a crew of "black [=GIs=] riding an ex-SS Panther with a Confederate Battle Flag whipping from the aerial leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan" turns quite a few heads. After the war, his collection is short a couple of destroyed vehicles, but the Army compensates him with a fleet of captured Soviet armor.

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** An enthusiast in Missouri donates his entire collection of restored American, British, and German WWII/Korean War armored vehicles. The sight of a crew of "black [=GIs=] riding an ex-SS Panther leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan" turns quite a few heads.

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** An enthusiast in Missouri donates his entire collection of restored American, British, and German WWII/Korean War armored vehicles.vehicles to the Army. The sight of a crew of "black [=GIs=] riding an ex-SS Panther leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan" turns quite a few heads. After the war, his collection is short a couple of destroyed vehicles, but the Army compensates him with a fleet of captured Soviet armor.
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** When the 14th Armored Division assaults a town southeast of Denver in 1986, they find the local Resistance fighters have already rolled up the defending Nicaraguan infantry using a fully-restored and armed WWII-era M4 Sherman tank (an [=M4A3E8=], as seen in ''Film/{{Fury}}'', to be exact). The Abrams gunner telling the story wonders where they found ammo for the Sherman’s main gun—they ''did'' have some, and even had some left afterwards. It is recorded in the history books as the last combat engagement of a Sherman tank.

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** When the 14th Armored Division assaults a town southeast of Denver in 1986, they find the local Resistance fighters have already rolled up the defending Nicaraguan infantry using a fully-restored and armed WWII-era M4 Sherman tank (an [=M4A3E8=], as seen in ''Film/{{Fury}}'', to be exact). The Abrams gunner telling the story wonders where they found ammo for the Sherman’s main gun—they ''did'' have some, and even had some left afterwards. It is recorded in the history books as one of the last combat engagement engagements of a Sherman tank.tank.
** An enthusiast in Missouri donates his entire collection of restored American, British, and German WWII/Korean War armored vehicles. The sight of a crew of "black [=GIs=] riding an ex-SS Panther leading a column of Shermans, Centurions, and M36 Jackson tank destroyers against Ivan" turns quite a few heads.

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* FullFrontalAssault: A female soldier chases down and captures a Cuban soldier who took her encampment by surprise while she's wearing combat boots... and ''only'' combat boots.

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* FullFrontalAssault: A female soldier USAF MP chases down and captures a Cuban soldier who took her encampment by surprise while she's wearing combat boots... and ''only'' combat boots. She ''really'' didn’t appreciate having her weekend interrupted!


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** Fidel Castro is tried in absentia and convicted of war crimes, but [[LoopholeAbuse stays in Cuba and hides behind the ceasefire agreement]]. He still tries to hold American [=POWs=] hostage in violation of the peace treaty, prompting a blockade by the US Navy (Castro loses), and shelters high-profile American collaborators. Almost every poster refers at some point to having a lot of unfinished business with Cuba in general and Fidel and Raoul in particular.
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** When the 14th Armored Division assaults a town southeast of Denver in 1986, they find the local Resistance fighters have already rolled up the defending Nicaraguan infantry using a fully-restored and armed WWII-era M4 Sherman tank (an [=M4A3E8=], as seen in ''Film/{{Fury}}'', to be exact). The Abrams gunner telling the story wonders where they found ammo for the Sherman’s main gun—they ''did'' have some, and even had some left afterwards. It is recorded in the history books as the last combat engagement of a Sherman tank.

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** Lots of "vintage warbird" aircraft get a chance to see combat one last time.

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** Lots of "vintage warbird" aircraft get a chance to see combat one last time. The "Boneyard" at Davis-Monthan Air Force Bass is rapidly stripped of every stored aircraft that even ''might'' still be able to fly, many of them dating as far back as Korea. These include, but are not limited to F-100 Super Sabres, F-105 Thunderchiefs, and C-119 Flying Boxcars.
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* BadassBiker: Most biker gangs end up volunteering for the Army as light cavalry regiments. The Hell's Angels are especially famous as the 13th Irregular Light Armored Cavalry. They trade in their Harleys for [=LAV-25s=] and gun jeeps, though. They also are known to have [[PayEvilUntoEvil dispensed some biker justice]] to some high-profile ALA members caught trying to sneak back into the general populace at the war’s end, including a particularly vicious, sadistic, and notorious woman known as The Harpy.

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* BadassBiker: Most biker gangs end up volunteering for the Army as light cavalry regiments. The Hell's Angels are especially famous as the 13th Irregular Light Armored Motorized Cavalry. They trade in their Harleys for [=LAV-25s=] and gun jeeps, though. They also are known to have [[PayEvilUntoEvil dispensed some biker justice]] to some high-profile ALA members caught trying to sneak back into the general populace at the war’s end, including a particularly vicious, sadistic, and notorious woman known as The Harpy.

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