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22nd Jul '16 5:23:03 AM Anddrix
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*** Even the Tenth Doctor initially seems to consider Martha an inferior replacement for Rose, which was shared by much of the fandom, particularly as Rose is one of the most popular companions. This is quite a hot topic, as Rose is one of the biggest [[BaseBreaker Base Breakers]] in "Doctor Who." Many fans hated Martha for her love for the Doctor while he was recovering over Rose. Some fans like to observe that Rose shows jealousy towards Martha as her replacement, where Martha is gracious and kind towards ''her'' replacement, Donna.
*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in the Twelfth Doctor's tenure. His first companion Clara is the biggest BaseBreaker since Rose -- among other things, she's unusually important/influential in the ''Who'' mythos (eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart) and the first companion he truly ''loves'' since Rose. How is he to move on, especially when [[spoiler: she's Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ends with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively renders her a benign zombie, that their relationship is no longer healthy. He loses his memories of her as a person, though not of their adventures, while she takes off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gives Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty Bill, in Series 10. The teaser short "Friend from the Future" goes out of its way to paint this relationship as one of tetchy teacher and curious, wisecracking student rather than a potential meeting of equals.

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*** Even the Tenth Doctor initially seems to consider Martha an inferior replacement for Rose, which was shared by much of the fandom, particularly as Rose is one of the most popular companions. This is quite a hot topic, as Rose is one of the biggest [[BaseBreaker Base Breakers]] {{Base Breaking Character}}s in "Doctor Who." Many fans hated Martha for her love for the Doctor while he was recovering over Rose. Some fans like to observe that Rose shows jealousy towards Martha as her replacement, where Martha is gracious and kind towards ''her'' replacement, Donna.
*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in the Twelfth Doctor's tenure. His first companion Clara is the biggest BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter since Rose -- among other things, she's unusually important/influential in the ''Who'' mythos (eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart) and the first companion he truly ''loves'' since Rose. How is he to move on, especially when [[spoiler: she's Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ends with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively renders her a benign zombie, that their relationship is no longer healthy. He loses his memories of her as a person, though not of their adventures, while she takes off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gives Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty Bill, in Series 10. The teaser short "Friend from the Future" goes out of its way to paint this relationship as one of tetchy teacher and curious, wisecracking student rather than a potential meeting of equals.
20th Jul '16 8:38:58 AM Sapphirea2
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*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in the Twelfth Doctor's tenure. His first companion Clara is the biggest BaseBreaker since Rose -- among other things, she's unusually important/influential in the ''Who'' mythos (eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart) and the first companion he truly ''loves'' since Rose. How is he to move on, especially when [[spoiler: she's Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ends with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively renders her a benign zombie, that their relationship is no longer healthy. He loses his memories of her as a person, though not of their adventures, while she takes off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gives Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty lass Bill, in Series 10. It remains to be seen how the audience will accept her, though...

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*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in the Twelfth Doctor's tenure. His first companion Clara is the biggest BaseBreaker since Rose -- among other things, she's unusually important/influential in the ''Who'' mythos (eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart) and the first companion he truly ''loves'' since Rose. How is he to move on, especially when [[spoiler: she's Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ends with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively renders her a benign zombie, that their relationship is no longer healthy. He loses his memories of her as a person, though not of their adventures, while she takes off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gives Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty lass Bill, in Series 10. It remains to be seen how 10. The teaser short "Friend from the audience will accept her, though...Future" goes out of its way to paint this relationship as one of tetchy teacher and curious, wisecracking student rather than a potential meeting of equals.
20th Jul '16 8:22:51 AM Sapphirea2
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*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in Twelve's tenure with how Clara Oswald's departure at the end of Series 9 was handled. Clara was the biggest BaseBreaker since Rose -- among other things, she's an unusually important/influential companion in the ''Who'' mythos, eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart, and the first companion the Doctor truly ''loved'' since Rose. How was he to move on from her, especially when [[spoiler: she was Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ended with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively rendered her a benign zombie, that their relationship was no longer healthy. He lost his memories of her as a person, though not of the adventures they had, while she took off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gave Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty lass Bill, in Series 10.

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*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in Twelve's tenure with how the Twelfth Doctor's tenure. His first companion Clara Oswald's departure at the end of Series 9 was handled. Clara was is the biggest BaseBreaker since Rose -- among other things, she's an unusually important/influential companion in the ''Who'' mythos, eventually mythos (eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart, DistaffCounterpart) and the first companion the Doctor he truly ''loved'' ''loves'' since Rose. How was is he to move on from her, on, especially when [[spoiler: she was she's Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ended ends with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively rendered renders her a benign zombie, that their relationship was is no longer healthy. He lost loses his memories of her as a person, though not of the adventures they had, their adventures, while she took takes off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gave gives Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty lass Bill, in Series 10. 10. It remains to be seen how the audience will accept her, though...
20th Jul '16 8:18:17 AM Sapphirea2
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*** A couple of regenerations have had a certain ArmedWithCanon pre-emptive guilt-tripping going on, with the previous Doctor outright disowning their replacement, or regenerating in circumstances ugly enough to start the new Doctor off on a sour note. In the Classic series, the Second Doctor's [[BigNO attitude]] towards regeneration and [[FutureMeScaresMe dislike of his successor]] can sour initial opinions of the Third Doctor; and in the Third Doctor's second-to-last serial, he mocks Sarah Jane when he thinks she's died by saying "it's almost like you'll prefer me dead". The most damaging occurrence of this was the Tennant/Smith transition - Ten's last words ("I don't want to go") and claims that regenerating is dying and a new man walks away, made lots of fans feel Eleven had killed and taken over the beloved Ten. In a possible attempt to avert this with Smith->Capaldi, Moffat has Eleven tell his companion Clara that everybody changes throughout their lives and he won't forget when he was the Doctor. The Eleventh Doctor even phones Clara in the future, telling her (and the fans) to accept the Twelfth.

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*** A couple of regenerations have had a certain ArmedWithCanon pre-emptive guilt-tripping going on, with the previous Doctor outright disowning their replacement, or regenerating in circumstances ugly enough to start the new Doctor off on a sour note. In the Classic series, the Second Doctor's [[BigNO attitude]] towards regeneration and [[FutureMeScaresMe dislike of his successor]] can sour initial opinions of the Third Doctor; and in the Third Doctor's second-to-last serial, he mocks Sarah Jane when he thinks she's died by saying "it's almost like you'll prefer me dead". The most damaging occurrence of this was the Tennant/Smith transition - -- Ten's last words ("I don't want to go") and claims that regenerating is dying and a new man walks away, made lots of fans feel Eleven had killed and taken over the beloved Ten. Ten.
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In a possible attempt to avert this the Tennant/Smith debacle with Smith->Capaldi, Smith/Capaldi, Moffat has Eleven tell his companion Clara in his FinalSpeech in "The Time of the Doctor" that everybody changes throughout their lives and he won't forget when he was the Doctor. The Eleventh Doctor even phones Clara Doctor. Much of "Deep Breath"'s plot hinges on Clara's reluctance to accept the older-looking, grouchy, broody Twelfth Doctor, and in the future, telling denouement she intends to leave him...whereupon she receives a call from Eleven, who phoned the future specifically to tell her (and the fans) to accept the Twelfth.Twelfth, in part because he needs support at this fraught time. From there, a key plot thread in the Series 8 StoryArc is how their relationship evolves; it isn't until Episode 8 ("Mummy on the Orient Express") that she fully understands and accepts Twelve for who he is.


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*** Again, there seems to be an attempt to avert this in Twelve's tenure with how Clara Oswald's departure at the end of Series 9 was handled. Clara was the biggest BaseBreaker since Rose -- among other things, she's an unusually important/influential companion in the ''Who'' mythos, eventually becoming his DistaffCounterpart, and the first companion the Doctor truly ''loved'' since Rose. How was he to move on from her, especially when [[spoiler: she was Killed Off for Real]]? The Series 9 finale "Hell Bent" ended with [[spoiler: them realizing, after he effectively rendered her a benign zombie, that their relationship was no longer healthy. He lost his memories of her as a person, though not of the adventures they had, while she took off for new adventures in her own TARDIS]]. This plus [[spoiler: a 24-year Time Skip he spends with River Song]] gave Twelve a mostly-clean emotional slate for his next companion, the feisty lass Bill, in Series 10.
10th Jul '16 3:27:43 PM pinkdalek
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*** The Fourth Doctor's reason
10th Jul '16 3:27:09 PM pinkdalek
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*** The Doctor is shown to dislike Leela at first. When she asks to travel with him, he refuses, and she only ends up coming along because she forces him into taking her. He's very cold to her for his first few serials, and later refers to ''K-9'' as his best friend - Sarah's previous title - rather than let Leela have it.
10th Jul '16 3:26:39 PM pinkdalek
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*** The Fourth Doctor's reason



*** Leela was criticised by many reviewers and fans in the 70s for being an inferior replacement to the extremely popular and definitive companion Sarah Jane Smith. A lot of the hate she got was due to her being dramatically HotterAndSexier and BloodierAndGorier than her predecessor, leading people to assume her addition showed the show was derailing into WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy and shallow ParentService. A lot more of the hate she got was due to great audience attachment to Sarah, meaning many fans simply didn't want to see the Doctor pick up another girl at all (the Doctor/companion relationship was seen in the 70s as being [[ImpliedLoveInterest pseudoromantic]], so DieForOurShip is the mindset here). Creator/TomBaker was well known to have hated the character for both of the above reasons, and he can often be seen attempting to upstage and annoy the actress on screen. Of course, the character is much more popular today, and stands out as one of the best Classic companions.
*** Even the Tenth Doctor initially seems to consider Martha an inferior replacement for Rose, which was shared by much of the fandom, particularly as Rose is one of the most popular companions. This is quite a hot topic, as Rose is one of the biggest [[BaseBreaker Base Breakers]] in "Doctor Who." Many fans hated Martha for her love for the Doctor while he was recovering over Rose. Martha fans point out, not without justification, that Rose is even nastier in trying to be romantic with the Doctor as she already has a boyfriend Mickey, she treats Mickey and her mother badly, along with any other girl who even talks to the Doctor, and in her return in Series 4 comes across as rude towards Martha without justification and quite selfish in her love for the Doctor. By contrast Martha comes across as quite sympathetic for the Doctor seeing her as an inferior Rose to the point she finally decides to leave, and is liked for being the only major companion so far in New Who to leave on their own terms, and showing she is able to get over her life with the Doctor but still remain friends with him, acting much more politely to the new companion Donna then Rose does to any other women.

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*** Leela was criticised by many reviewers and fans in the 70s for being an inferior replacement to the extremely popular and definitive companion Sarah Jane Smith. A lot of the hate she got was due to her being dramatically HotterAndSexier and BloodierAndGorier than her predecessor, leading people to assume her addition showed the show was derailing into WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy and shallow ParentService. A lot more of the hate she got was due to great audience attachment to Sarah, meaning many fans simply didn't want to see the Doctor pick up another girl at all (the Doctor/companion relationship was seen in the 70s as being [[ImpliedLoveInterest pseudoromantic]], so DieForOurShip is the mindset here). Creator/TomBaker was well known to have hated the character for both of the above reasons, and he can often be seen attempting to upstage and annoy the actress on screen. Of course, the The character is much more popular today, and stands out as is often considered one of the very best Classic companions.
*** The Doctor is shown to dislike Leela at first. When she asks to travel with him, he refuses, and she only ends up coming along because she forces him into taking her. He's very cold to her for his first few serials, and later refers to ''K-9'' as his best friend - Sarah's previous title - rather than let Leela have it.
*** Even the Tenth Doctor initially seems to consider Martha an inferior replacement for Rose, which was shared by much of the fandom, particularly as Rose is one of the most popular companions. This is quite a hot topic, as Rose is one of the biggest [[BaseBreaker Base Breakers]] in "Doctor Who." Many fans hated Martha for her love for the Doctor while he was recovering over Rose. Martha Some fans point out, not without justification, like to observe that Rose is even nastier in trying to be romantic with the Doctor as she already has a boyfriend Mickey, she treats Mickey and her mother badly, along with any other girl who even talks to the Doctor, and in her return in Series 4 comes across as rude shows jealousy towards Martha without justification and quite selfish in as her love for the Doctor. By contrast replacement, where Martha comes across as quite sympathetic for the Doctor seeing her as an inferior Rose to the point she finally decides to leave, is gracious and is liked for being the only major companion so far in New Who to leave on their own terms, and showing she is able to get over her life with the Doctor but still remain friends with him, acting much more politely to the new companion Donna then Rose does to any other women.kind towards ''her'' replacement, Donna.
6th Jun '16 12:36:33 PM Green_lantern40
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* Walden Schmidt on ''Series/TwoAndAHalfMen'' is seen by many as a poor replacement for Charlie, mainly because Creator/AshtonKutcher's comedy style just doesn't seem to fit in with the show, and his interaction with the other characters feels rather forced and unnatural.

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* Walden Schmidt on ''Series/TwoAndAHalfMen'' is seen by many as a poor replacement for Charlie, mainly because he ''wasn't'' Charlie, but also because Creator/AshtonKutcher's comedy style just doesn't seem to fit in with the show, and his interaction with the other characters feels rather forced and unnatural.
26th Apr '16 1:42:47 PM AllenbysEyes88
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** Agent John Doggett, and later Agent Monica Reyes. Doggett has his share of fans, but Reyes... not so much. Doggett was written into the show for its eighth season as an agent who was put on a task force to look for missing Agent Mulder; his skepticism made a good foil to Scully, who was increasingly credulous to paranormal belief. Agent Reyes appeared a few times in Season 8, then became a regular in Season 9 to pair up with Doggett. They didn't have a chance to be loved as much as Mulder and Scully were.
** Among supporting characters, there was Marita Covarubbias, Mulder's third MysteriousInformant after Deep Throat and X. Many fans disliked her because, compared to her predecessors, she was a FlatCharacter (derisively nicknamed "Deep Blonde") and often superfluously shoehorned into episodes. Made worse when she was revealed to be [[TheMole working for the Syndicate]], and sleeping with Krycek to boot. She was PutOnABus after Season Five without being replaced.

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** Agent John Doggett, and later Agent Monica Reyes. Doggett has his share of fans, but Reyes... not so much. Doggett was written into the show for its eighth season as an agent who was put on a task force to look for missing Agent Mulder; his skepticism made a good foil to Scully, who was increasingly credulous to paranormal belief. Agent Reyes appeared a few times in Season 8, then became a regular in Season 9 to pair up with Doggett.Doggett, becoming the believer to his skeptic. They didn't have a chance to be loved as much as Mulder and Scully were.
** Among supporting characters, there was Marita Covarubbias, Mulder's third MysteriousInformant after Deep Throat and X. Many fans disliked her because, compared to her predecessors, she was a FlatCharacter (derisively nicknamed "Deep Blonde") and often superfluously shoehorned into episodes. Made worse when she was revealed to be [[TheMole working for the Syndicate]], and sleeping with Krycek to boot. She was PutOnABus after in Season Five without being replaced.and only made intermittent appearances afterwards.
24th Apr '16 11:02:14 AM randomtroper89
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** In season five the simpering [[SmugSnake Eve]] replaced the vastly superior [[MagnificentBastard Lilah]], to much dismay from the fans. She was quickly replaced by [[TheDragon Marcus Hamilton]], who made no attempt to act as an ersatz-Lilah. Cordelia lampshades this trope in "You're Welcome", referring to Eve as "Lilah Jr." Her role is also completely superfluous, as she's supposed to be the intermediary between the protagonists and the Senior Partners.....a role already taken by the Conduit.

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** In season five the simpering [[SmugSnake Eve]] replaced the vastly superior [[MagnificentBastard Lilah]], to much dismay from the fans. Her role is also completely superfluous, as she's supposed to be the intermediary between the protagonists and the Senior Partners.....a role already taken by the Conduit. She was quickly replaced by [[TheDragon Marcus Hamilton]], who made no attempt to act as an ersatz-Lilah. Cordelia lampshades this trope in "You're Welcome", referring to Eve as "Lilah Jr." Her role is also completely superfluous, as she's supposed to be the intermediary between the protagonists and the Senior Partners.....a role already taken by the Conduit.
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