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* DeletedScene: A special-edition [=VHS=] release and the DVD provided deleted scenes which helped make a bit more sense out of things.
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* WorstNewsJudgementEver: Played for laughs; the ''Daily Mirror'' has a huge headline proclaiming that the meteor that kicks off the plot is returning to Earth. Ace, however, is more interested in the football results at the bottom of the back page, and the Doctor doesn't notice.
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* FishOutOfTemporalWater

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* FishOutOfTemporalWaterFishOutOfTemporalWater: Richard spends most of his time in the future panicking about every single thing he comes across. It helps his HeelFaceTurn towards the end, when he's just so happy that the Doctor can take him home that he resolves to change his ways.



* MinionWithAnFInEvil: Richard, to the point where at the end of the story the Doctor and Ace take him home and let him play the recorder for them.

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* MinionWithAnFInEvil: Richard, to the point where at the end of the story the Doctor and Ace take him home and let him play the recorder for them. He does seem a bit more sinister and thuggish at the beginning of the story, when he's at home and in his element, but his experiences as a FishOutOfTemporalWater go some way towards helping a HeelFaceTurn along.


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** A later short story in the ExpandedUniverse [[spoiler: subverted this by suggesting that the 'secret' Lady Peinforte knew about the Doctor wasn't actually that impressive to begin with.]]
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* WeaksauceWeakness: The Cybermen's vulnerability to gold is taken to utterly absurd levels in this story. While they at least regain the resistance to bullets that they somehow lost in "Attack of the Cybermen," you can now kill them by ''throwing a gold coin into their chest''. Evidently the writer never stopped to think how absurd it was that the Cybermen could withstand high-velocity impacts without any trouble, but be instantly killed by a low-force impact with any gold or gold-played object.

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* WeaksauceWeakness: The Cybermen's vulnerability to gold - originally a difficult-to-exploit weakness where gold dust, if gotten ''into their workings,'' could take them out, and ''not instantly'' - is taken to utterly absurd levels in this story. While they at least regain the resistance to bullets that they somehow lost in "Attack of the Cybermen," you can now kill cause them to instantly die screaming by ''throwing a gold coin into at their chest''. Evidently the writer never stopped to think how absurd it was that the Cybermen could withstand high-velocity impacts without any trouble, but be instantly killed by a low-force impact with any gold or gold-played object.
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* DoingInTheWizard: Taken on its own, this episode appears to claim that Lady Peinforte's powers are literal magic, making it the only Original Series episode to allow such a thing ("Battlefield" doesn't really count, because the Arthurian characters are visitors from another universe with different physical laws). However, a thowaway line in "The Curse Of Fenric" establishes that, in fact, Lady Peinforte got her powers from Fenric. [[AuthorsSavingThrow So there.]]

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* DoingInTheWizard: Taken on its own, this episode appears to claim that Lady Peinforte's powers are literal magic, making it the only Original Series episode to allow such a thing rather than [[MagicByAnotherName handwaving it somehow]] ("Battlefield" doesn't really count, because the Arthurian characters are visitors from another universe with different physical laws). laws). However, a thowaway line in "The Curse Of Fenric" establishes that, in fact, Lady Peinforte got her powers from Fenric. Fenric. [[AuthorsSavingThrow So there.]]
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* DoingInTheWizard: Taken on its own, this episode appears to claim that Lady Peinforte's powers are literal magic, making it the only Original Series episode to allow such a thing ("Battlefield" doesn't really count, because the Arthurian characters are visitors from another universe with different physical laws). However, a thowaway line in "The Curse Of Fenric" establishes that, in fact, Lady Peinforte was getting her abilities from Fenric somehow. [[AuthorsSavingThrow So there.]]

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* DoingInTheWizard: Taken on its own, this episode appears to claim that Lady Peinforte's powers are literal magic, making it the only Original Series episode to allow such a thing ("Battlefield" doesn't really count, because the Arthurian characters are visitors from another universe with different physical laws). However, a thowaway line in "The Curse Of Fenric" establishes that, in fact, Lady Peinforte was getting got her abilities powers from Fenric somehow. Fenric. [[AuthorsSavingThrow So there.]]
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* DoingInTheWizard: Taken on its own, this episode appears to claim that Lady Peinforte's powers are literal magic, making it the only Original Series episode to allow such a thing ("Battlefield" doesn't really count, because the Arthurian characters are visitors from another universe with different physical laws). However, a thowaway line in "The Curse Of Fenric" establishes that, in fact, Lady Peinforte was getting her abilities from Fenric somehow. [[AuthorsSavingThrow So there.]]
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* WeaksauceWeakness: The Cybermen's vulnerability to gold is taken to utterly absurd levels in this story. While they at least regain the resistance to bullets that they somehow lost in "Attack of the Cybermen," you can now kill them by ''throwing a gold coin into their chest''. Evidently the writer never stopped to think how absurd it was that the Cybermen could withstand high-velocity impacts without any trouble, but be instantly killed by a low-force impact with any gold or gold-played object.
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'''The Doctor:''' Excellent. Blow up that vehicle.

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'''The Doctor:''' Excellent. Blow up that vehicle.
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'''Ace:''' *delighted grin*
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'''The Doctor:''' And naturally, you wouldn't do anything so insanely dangerous as to carry it around with you, would you?\\
'''Ace:''' Of course not. I'm a good girl and do what I'm told.\\

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'''The Doctor:''' And naturally, Naturally, you wouldn't do anything so insanely dangerous as to carry it around with you, would you?\\
'''Ace:''' [[BlatantLies Of course not. I'm a good girl and girl, I do what I'm told.\\]]\\
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* CreatorCameo: a number of contemporary and past ''DoctorWho'' cast and crew play the tourists at Windsor Castle.
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* ThoseWackyNazis: the only TV ''Doctor Who'' story so far to feature actual Nazis, as opposed to evil fantasy cultures with a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName suspicious resemblance]].

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* ThoseWackyNazis: the only TV ''Doctor Who'' story so far to feature actual Nazis, as opposed to evil fantasy cultures with a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName suspicious resemblance]]. (Although they do turn up in ''TheSarahJaneAdventures:'' "Lost In Time".)
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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:*:WordOfGod says the Cybermen in The Pandorica Opens were going to be Mondasian Cybermen but there was no time to make new costumes. It's assumed they [[LongBusTrip enjoyed their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[Recap/DoctorWhoTAGE02BloodOfTheCybermen the adventure games in 2010]])'' [[hottip:*:WordOfGod says the Cybermen in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens Opens]]" were going ''going'' to be Mondasian Cybermen but there was no time to make new costumes. It's assumed they [[LongBusTrip enjoyed their bus trip]] quite never stated in dialogue that the adventure game Cybermen are from Mondas, though supplementary material in bonus cards strongly implies it. Five years before ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoTAGE02BloodOfTheCybermen Blood of the Cybermen]]'' and "The Pandorica Opens", a bit.Mondasian Cyberman head cameos [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E6Dalek in Henry van Statten's museum]].]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.



* VillainDecay: You thought Cybermen couldn't possibly get any worse? Well, they did. No wonder [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E1RemembranceOfTheDaleks Remembrance of the Daleks]] is considered a preferable choice as anniversary story and why the staff decided [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS2E5RiseOfTheCybermen to make new ones]] in the New Series.
** The worst part is surely them being taken down by a 17th century peasant. With ARROWS. Jebus Crust...
*** The ''worst'' is when it's slingshot-fired gold coins.
*** Some interviews indicated that the gold coins were added because the fight between the Nemesis and the Cybermen proved too difficult to produce.



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** WordOfGod states that the writer intended the Doctor to be...God. No really. So this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether you're religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien who travels through time in a police box fighting monsters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.
*** Not God. A ''Gallifreyan'' God. All the difference in the world...

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** WordOfGod states that the writer intended the Doctor to be...God. No really. So this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether you're religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien who travels through time in [[spoiler: a police box fighting monsters, while awesome, is also kind Gallifreyan God, of ridiculous.
*** Not God. A ''Gallifreyan'' God. All
sorts. Or the difference in the world...reincarnation of one, essentially]].
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->'''The Doctor:''' I don't suppose you've completely ignored my instructions and secretly prepared any Nitro-9, have you?\\
'''Ace:''' What if I had?\\
'''The Doctor:''' And naturally, you wouldn't do anything so insanely dangerous as to carry it around with you, would you?\\
'''Ace:''' Of course not. I'm a good girl and do what I'm told.\\
'''The Doctor:''' Excellent. Blow up that vehicle.
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*** Some interviews indicated that the gold coins were added because the fight between the Nemesis and the Cybermen proved too difficult to produce.
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** During the scenes at Windsor Castle, the Doctor and Ace encounter a woman who ''theoretically'' is supposed to be the Queen. Unfortunately the lookalike hired by the production team doesn't look all that much like the Queen, and in fact more resembles her daughter, Princess Anne.
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*** Not God. A ''Gallifreyan'' God. All the difference in the world...

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they [[PutOnABus enjoyed their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's [[hottip:*:WordOfGod says the Cybermen in The Pandorica Opens were going to be Mondasian Cybermen but there was no time to make new costumes. It's assumed they [[PutOnABus [[LongBusTrip enjoyed their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.


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***The ''worst'' is when it's slingshot-fired gold coins.
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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're they [[PutOnABus enjoying enjoyed their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.
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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.
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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens ThePandoricaOpens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until [[DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens ThePandoricaOpens]])'' The Pandorica Opens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.
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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until ThePandoricaOpens)'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their last as Mondasian Cybermen until ThePandoricaOpens)'' [[DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens ThePandoricaOpens]])'' [[hottip:* :It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.



** WordOfGod states that the writer intended the Doctor to be...God. No really. SoYeah this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether you're religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien who travels through time in a police box fighting monsters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.

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** WordOfGod states that the writer intended the Doctor to be...God. No really. SoYeah So this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether you're religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien who travels through time in a police box fighting monsters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.

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* [[{{ptitlexn9xzsjd5fif}} Chekhov's Gun]]: the chess set in Lady Peinforte's house, and the question of who is moving the pieces.



* ContinuityPorn: references to Earth becoming "New Mondas", and in the deleted scenes the Doctor hypnotises some security guards by wearing spectacles in an overt reference to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E7TheWarGames "The War Games"]].

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* ContinuityPorn: references to Rassilon and Omega, Earth becoming "New Mondas", and in the deleted scenes the Doctor hypnotises some security guards by wearing spectacles in an overt reference to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E7TheWarGames "The War Games"]].


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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Ace has a minor one when she blows up the Cybermens' lander and they execute their human minions for allowing it.
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* CelebrityStar: jazz musician Courtney Pine and his band.
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* VillainousBreakdown: Lady Peinforte has a slow-burning one throughout the final episode.

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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast / PunnyName: Lady Peinforte is named after "peine forte et dure", a historic English torture method involving slowly crushing people to death with rocks.



** WordofGod states that the writer intended the Dctor to be...God. No really. SoYeah this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether your religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien who travels through time in a police box fighting monsters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.
* VillainDecay: You thought Cybermen couldn't possibly get any worse? Well, they did. No wonder [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E1RemembranceOfTheDaleks Remembrance of the Daleks]] was a more preferable choice and why the staff decided [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS2E5RiseOfTheCybermen to make new ones]] in the New Series.

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** WordofGod WordOfGod states that the writer intended the Dctor Doctor to be...God. No really. SoYeah this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether your you're religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien who travels through time in a police box fighting monsters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.
* VillainDecay: You thought Cybermen couldn't possibly get any worse? Well, they did. No wonder [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E1RemembranceOfTheDaleks Remembrance of the Daleks]] was is considered a more preferable choice as anniversary story and why the staff decided [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS2E5RiseOfTheCybermen to make new ones]] in the New Series.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their lastas Mondasian Cybermen until ThePandoricaOpens)'' [[hottip:*:It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.

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The Doctor and Ace, a crazy noblewoman and her sidekick from the 17th century, a bunch of Nazis, and Cybermen ''(making their last appearance on the original series, and their lastas last as Mondasian Cybermen until ThePandoricaOpens)'' [[hottip:*:It's assumed they're [[PutOnABus enjoying their bus trip]] quite a bit.]] fight for control of a statue made out of living metal capable of mass destruction. Dark secrets of the Doctor's past are revealed... almost.



* ContinuityPorn: references to Earth becoming "New Mondas", and in the deleted scenes the Doctor hypnotises some security guards by wearing spectacles in an overt reference to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E7TheWarGames "The War Games"]].
* FishOutOfTemporalWater



* ThoseWackyNazis
* FishOutOfTemporalWater

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* ThoseWackyNazis
MinionWithAnFInEvil: Richard, to the point where at the end of the story the Doctor and Ace take him home and let him play the recorder for them.
* FishOutOfTemporalWaterMuggingTheMonster: the skinheads who try to rob Lady Peinforte and Richard.
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: there are hints, especially on the DVD deleted scenes, that "De Flores" is meant to be a pseudonym for Martin Bormann, the most senior Nazi unaccounted for in 1945 who was widely believed in the 1980s to be still alive and hiding out in South America.
* ThoseWackyNazis: the only TV ''Doctor Who'' story so far to feature actual Nazis, as opposed to evil fantasy cultures with a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName suspicious resemblance]].



** WordofGod states that the writer intended the Dctor to be...God. No really. SoYeah this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether your religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien wo travels through time in a police box fighting mosnters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.

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** WordofGod states that the writer intended the Dctor to be...God. No really. SoYeah this is one time when TheUnreveal is preferable. Because whether your religious or an atheist I think we can all agree that having God be an eccentric alien wo who travels through time in a police box fighting mosnters, monsters, while awesome, is also kind of ridiculous.



** The worst part is surely them being taken down by a 17th century peaseant. With ARROWS. Jebus Crust...

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** The worst part is surely them being taken down by a 17th century peaseant.peasant. With ARROWS. Jebus Crust...

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