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->It’s a nasty piece of work that doesn’t wholeheartedly endorse the revenge fantasy-fueled nihilism of its deplorable protagonist, but doesn’t seem to have much of a problem with it, either. There’s a transgressive kick in rooting for someone with no sense of ethics whatsoever, but as a comic book, Wanted is repellent without being fun.
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'''Trudie:''' But you don't give a shit who dies because there's no {{character development}}. There's just [[{{Gorn}} body parts ripping and blood spewing]]. Ugh!
-->-- [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGqQpl0CGk Opening scene]] of ''Film/Scream4''
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->'''Sherrie:''' Well, I like Jigsaw.[[Franchise/{{Saw}} Jigsaw]]. I think he kills people very creatively.\\
'''Trudie:''' [[TakeThat But you don't give a shit who dies because there'sno no]] {{character development}}. There's just [[{{Gorn}} body parts ripping and blood spewing]]. Ugh!
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->''"Remember that Grimdark is all about wearing down the audience by killing off characters and making things so hopeless things'' '''''so''''' ''hopeless and jaded that they just don't care anymore. Drowning everything in inky darkness is the best way the'' '''''best''''' ''way to handle Grimdark.Grimdark. Never should an author use contrast or humor to take the edge off. Just keep lumping on more and more endless blackness until the whole thing becomes a twisted parody of itself and one huge joke. Then when everyone is making fun of your setting, just'' '''''double down''''' ''and keep going into that dark void.'' '''''And if a writer gazes long into Grimdark, Grimdark also gazes into you...''''' ''And then it tries to sell you its merch."''
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-->-- '''Utau, Watcher of Earth-65''' {{lampshading}} the comic's recent tonal shift, Earth-65''', ''[[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Radioactive Spider-Gwen]] Issue 23''
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->Dark. I was gonna say '''dark'''. ''dark''. It used to be '''fun'''.''fun''. But lately, it's so -- angsty! Clenched fists and gritted teeth and... '''another''' ''another'' ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}? Really?
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->Dark. I was gonna say '''dark'''. It used to be '''fun'''. But lately, it's so -- angsty! Clenched fists and gritted teeth and...'''another''' ComicBook/Wolverine? Really?
-->-- '''Utau, Watcher of Earth-65''' {{lampshading}} the comic's recent tonal shift, ''[[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Radioactive Spider-Gwen]] Issue 23''
->Dark. I was gonna say '''dark'''. It used to be '''fun'''. But lately, it's so -- angsty! Clenched fists and gritted teeth and...'''another''' ComicBook/Wolverine? Really?
-->-- '''Utau, Watcher of Earth-65''' {{lampshading}} the comic's recent tonal shift, ''[[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Radioactive Spider-Gwen]] Issue 23''
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->"Enough tragedy already in World Class! Let's do some positive things! Why do you want to beat up a 60 year-old man?"
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->"Enough tragedy already in World Class! Let's do some positive things! Why do you want to beat up a 60 year-old man?"
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->''"Remember that Grimdark is all about wearing down the audience by killing off characters and making things so hopeless and jaded that they just don't care anymore. Drowning everything in inky darkness is the best way to handle Grimdark."''
-->--'''JP. Beabien,''' ''WebAnimation/TerribleWritingAdvice''
->''"Remember that Grimdark is all about wearing down the audience by killing off characters and making things so hopeless and jaded that they just don't care anymore. Drowning everything in inky darkness is the best way to handle Grimdark."''
-->--'''JP. Beabien,''' ''WebAnimation/TerribleWritingAdvice''
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->We were like the people from that shitty depressing book from English class, about the family who spends over four hundred pages road tripping to California only to find that California sucked even worse than wherever it was they left behind. I was pretty sure there was at least one dead dog in that book too. I think there was supposed to be a moral somewhere in there about the plight of American migrant workers, but all I ever got out of it was that the characters' lives were unlivably awful and that apparently the entire in-book universe had organized itself around the sole principle of making them miserable.
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->We were like the people from that [[Literature/TheGrapesOfWrath shitty depressing book book]] from English class, about the family who spends over four hundred pages road tripping to California only to find that California sucked even worse than wherever it was they left behind. I was pretty sure there was at least one dead dog in that book too. I think there was supposed to be a moral somewhere in there about the plight of American migrant workers, but all I ever got out of it was that the characters' lives were unlivably awful and that apparently the entire in-book universe had organized itself around the sole principle of making them miserable.
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->''"When you [[CharacterDerailment completely shit on the characters that we've loved for so long]]; long; when you [[WorldOfJerkass replace them with worse characters]]; when you [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter treat your few, new good characters like shit and misuse them even]]; when you [[DiabolusExMachina leave everything in a worse place than before]], and [[FanDisillusionment make us not even give a shit about the license anymore]], it is a bad fucking time, period! And a bad fucking game!"''
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->We were like the people from that shitty depressing book from English class, about the family who spends over four hundred pages road tripping to California only to find that California sucked even worse than wherever it was they left behind. I was pretty sure there was at least one dead dog in that book too. I think there was supposed to be a moral somewhere in there about the plight of American migrant workers, but all I ever got out of it was that the characters' lives were unlivably awful and that apparently the entire in-book universe had organized itself around the sole principle of making them miserable.
-->-- '''Tom's narration''', ''[[Fanfic/{{Eleutherophobia}} The Day the Earth Stood Still]]''
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->''"When you [[CharacterDerailment completely shit on the characters that we've loved for so long; long]]; when you [[WorldOfJerkasses replace them with worse characters; characters]]; when you [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter treat your few, new good characters like shit and misuse them even; even]]; when you [[DiabolusExMachina leave everything in a worse place than before, before]], and [[FanonDiscontinuity make us not even give a shit about the license anymore, anymore]], it is a bad fucking time, period! And a bad fucking game!"''
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->'''Sherrie:''' Well, I like Jigsaw. I think he kills people very creatively.\\
'''Trudie:''' But you don't give a shit who dies because there's no {{character development}}. There's just [[{{Gorn}} body parts ripping and blood spewing]]. Ugh!
-->-- [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGqQpl0CGk Opening scene]] of ''Film/Scream4''
[[AC:Literature]]
->'''Alice:''' I like the Walrus best, because you see he was a little sorry for the poor oysters.\\
'''Tweedledee:''' He ate more than the Carpenter, though. You see, [[CrocodileTears he held his handkerchief in front]], so that the Carpenter couldn't count how many he took: contrariwise.\\
'''Alice:''' That was mean! Then I like the Carpenter best--if he didn't eat so many as the Walrus.\\
'''Tweedledum:''' But he ate as many as he could get.\\
'''Alice:''' Well! They were ''both'' very unpleasant characters!
-->--'''Through The Looking Glass'''
[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
->It can't rain all the time.'' [[ThrowTheDogABone Know when to let the sun break through the clouds]]... Most down-and-outers have lost hope because they cannot change their world. Mages, even Orphans, can. That fact offers the key to the urban cage. Don't throw it away.''
-->--''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension - The Orphan's Survival Guide''
[[AC:Web Orignal]]
->[[CrapsackWorld Ruined World]] + [[WorldOfJerkass cast of Jerk]] = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys]]
-->-- ''[[http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/14/68/72/11/0487.jpg Demotivational Poster]]''
[[AC:Web Video]]
->"Making every hero on earth as dark as Franchise/{{Batman}}? That was your master plan? Great. So, after the audience gets bored to tears by every hero being just like every other hero, they'll be so depressed over how freakin' BLEAK they are, they'll KILL THEMSELVES!"
-->-- '''[[ComicBook/NormanOsborn The Green Goblin]]''' of ''WebVideo/ImAMarvelAndImADC'' to '''ComicBook/TheJoker'''
[[AC:Western Animation]]
->"Yeah, I got royally screwed, know who was there for me? No one, because everyone's an asshole and the whole world sucks balls."
-->-- '''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman,''' ''That's Too Much, Man'' (Season 3, episode 11).
!!Reviews
[[foldercontrol]]
[[folder:On Anime & Manga]]
->"This would be much more heartwrenching if not for the fact that this series has conditioned me to expect death every five minutes."
-->-- '''WebVideo/YRulerOfTime''' on ''Manga/DeathNote''
->"Anger can motivate you to do something other than what made you angry. But depressing misery? It just sucks the life out of you, and you just don’t know what to do with yourself other than making sure you never have to sit through that experience again, especially if it made you miserable for no narrative or artistically sound reason."
-->-- '''WebVideo/BennettTheSage''' on ''De:vadasy''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Comic Books]]
->"Killing characters raises the stakes of a story. ''But'' when you get to the point that an average of five characters per issue are getting killed off, I think the law of diminishing returns kicks in and it stops meaning anything. I think this might've happened because Creator/JephLoeb was trying to mimick Creator/MarkMillar's work, and Mark Millar's stories can be dark and cynical. But I think that Millar was always trying to at least [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstruct]] comic book tropes and ground things, and I think Jeph Loeb maybe just took that surface sheen of sort of violence and negativity and just applied that to his story.
-->-- '''WebVideo/ComicTropes''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GhQRE2lTs on]] ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Fanfiction]]
->''It appears that this story will never end with a good ending. I hope to see what is next in the next chapter. However, I have a gut feeling that everything will break down again in the end.''
-->-- '''[=TU4QU0I53T4IAN6L3=]''' on chapter 52 of ''Fanfic/{{Trauma}}'' (we won't spoil it for you)
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Film -- Animated]]
->"To protect them from being abused, my emotions have detached themselves from this animated film."
-->-- '''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''Animation/DoggyPoo''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Film -- Live-Action]]
->''That things happen as they do in ''Shuttle'' I suppose is true, however rarely. But a film can have an opinion about them. This one simply serves them up in hard merciless detail. There is no release for the audience, no 'entertainment', not even much action excitement. Just a remorseless march into the dark.''
-->-- '''Creator/RogerEbert''' on ''Film/{{Shuttle}}''.
->''Watching cardboard characters meet horrible fates can be entertaining, but where's the fun in watching real human beings die in what you thought was going to be light entertainment? A certain plot development in one of the films mentioned here made me sob so convulsively it almost washed my contact lenses away, and, honestly, I'm not sure how much of that level of cinematic trauma I could take.''
-->-- '''Anne Billson''' on ''Film/Godzilla2014'', [[http://www.businessinsider.com/the-monsters-are-more-important-than-the-humans-in-disaster-movies-2014-5#ixzz32kUYBpW4 "Here's Why The Monsters Are More Important Than The Humans In Disaster Movies"]]
->"I don't want to sound callous, but I want to see this place become a CRATER!"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh Oancitizen]]''', on ''Film/KenPark''
->"If anything, I feel disturbed by the fact that when I watch another person get their head bitten off by a monster, I feel no emotion whatsoever. It is ''wrong'' to feel uninterested, indifferent, and bored when you see somebody die. But, that's what this movie does to you."
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g LittleJimmy835]]''' on ''Film/AliensVsPredatorRequiem''.
->"After Ripley survived the events of ''Film/{{Aliens}}'', along with Newt, Corporal Hicks, and what's left of the android Bishop, you'd think they'd get a little break. [[HappyEndingOverride But nope, the ship has a fire and they crash on a planet]]. ''Nobody'' survives the crash except Ripley; all these characters that you rooted for in the last movie, are all ''dead''! Even the little girl is dead! It's like a cruel joke! Even worse, this is a prison planet full of criminals and rapists, with Ripley being the only woman. With everything the character has been through, you'd think there'd be ''some'' light at the end of the tunnel, but no; ''Film/Alien3'' immediately drops her into Hell and starts off on a depressing note which sustains for the entire film. When I saw this for the first time when I was about twelve years old, ''[[AngstAversion I couldn't even stand to watch it]]''! This movie is so depressing, it'll make you want to blow your brains out!"
-->-- '''Creator/JamesRolfe''' on ''Film/Alien3''
->"This is the major problem with the movie. Because the movie doesn't actually side either one of them. I think perhaps they thought they were when they writing the script. But when you watch the film, Travolta's character is clearly over the top when it comes to being a fan of somebody..... [all the actions Travolta's character Moose has done] are all terrible things. So obviously we are not suppose to side with this obsessed fan. But, at the same time, Hunter is rude from the get go. He doesn't have a real reason to treat Moose the way he does. Now granted, Moose is invading his privacy, no doubt. But there is no reason to say what he says to him. And so on this way, you can kind of understand why Moose already being an obsessed fan freaks out and goes too far. But you can also understand why Hunter as the actor dealing with this obsessed fan is bothered by it. So there is no conflict, and there is no contrast. These are two people who are both doing it wrong. The film doesn't side with one of them, and so you don't give a shit. That in a nutshell is the biggest logical issue with this movie beyond a lot of other things that are unintentionally hilarious."
-->-- '''WebVideo/ChrisStuckmann''' on ''Film/TheFanatic''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Literature]]
->''When this story first appeared, the fans detested it. I read it over, perplexed by their hostility, and could see why: it is a superdowner story, and relentlessly so. Could I rewrite it, [[CreatorBacklash I would have it end differently.]]''
-->-- '''Creator/PhilipKDick''' on his short story ''Sales Pitch''
->''In ''Literature/{{Night Watch|Discworld}}'', there is criticism of the powerful who abuse their position, but anyone who tries to change it is mocked as an [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids idealistic buffoon]]. The rebels receive a pile of ridicule even though they’re fighting a repressive dictatorship that kidnaps and tortures them. The people are depicted as petty, gullible and easily distracted, and [[HobbesWasRight almost deserve a dictator.]] Instead of fighting for what’s right, the book takes a “Giant Douche v Turd Sandwich” approach to politics and it's hard to avoid the conclusion that there’s no point trying to make things better, because it won’t work.''
-->-- '''Robert Nielsen''', "[[https://whistlinginthewind.org/2017/03/24/are-the-discworld-books-overrated/ Are The ''Discworld'' Books Overrated?]]"
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Live-Action TV]]
->"''Series/StarTrekDiscovery''...isn't fun. It's a war story with little war, it's an adventure story with little adventure, it's a science piece with idiot science and the most light-hearted character [[FauxAffablyEvil turned out to be the villain.]]"
-->-- '''Website/SFDebris''' on ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery''
->"I didn't watch ''Series/GameOfThrones''. I tried. At a certain point, after enough murders and betrayals, I stopped caring. Israeli politics has the same effect. After enough betrayals and lies, apathy is tempting."
-->-- '''Zehava Gal'on, former member of the Israeli parliament'''
->"The last two episodes are somewhat competently made, but it's two sides you don't like fighting over a city you don't care about for the fate of people that you don't know. Whoop-de-freaking-shit."
-->-- '''WebVideo/DarkLordJadow1''' on ''Series/{{Inhumans}}''
->''The Season 5 finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', a body-count extravaganza even by the HBO series’ carnivorous standards, has boosted an unusual form of protest: sympathy for the ice zombies. Angry fans have taken to Twitter to declare that they are now rooting for [=#TeamWhiteWalkers=], the undead army threatening to overrun the land and destroy humanity. The show’s world, Westeros, they say, is so horrible that it doesn’t deserve to survive, and besides, the White Walkers couldn’t be any worse than its current masters.''
-->--'''''[[http://time.com/3924156/game-of-thrones-white-walkers/ Time Magazine]]'''''
->''''Series/ThirteenReasonsWhy'' is a miserable show. The best and worst things about it are all because of the despair the show is built around. I don't have a problem with attempting to tackle weighty and complicated subject matter, but we're over 26 hours deep with virtually no levity at all. I think there's a reason films like ''Film/RequiemForADream'', ''Film/{{Trainspotting}}'', and ''Detachment'' are all under two hours.... Unlike something like ''Trainspotting'' that adds levity to the despairing subject matter with comedy, without any contrast of emotions, everything [in ''13 Reasons Why''] winds up feeling hopeless and overbearing.''
-->-- '''WebVideo/IHateEverything''' on ''Series/ThirteenReasonsWhy''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Video Games]]
->"The characters have [[ShootTheShaggyDog achieved nothing, learned nothing]], will hopefully now jump into a big black hole and ''return'' to nothing! Just as the visuals succeed too well at being [[StylisticSuck deliberately hideous]], the protagonists succeed too well at being ''[[SociopathicHero deliberately wankers]]!'' There's ''nothing'' fun about the game, no light relief; just one piece of nauseating unpleasantness after another, like a roadside café breakfast special by Jeffrey Dahmer!"
-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''', [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1976-Kane-Lynch-2-Dog-Days on]] ''VideoGame/KaneAndLynch 2''
->''"One of the big reasons I tend to stay away from triple-A games is their dark, gritty, and hopeless nature. These games are constantly showing you just how worthless, evil, and monstrous humanity can be, and in many circumstances, there's no hope for them, or even ''you''. There's simply the somber and sobering story of 'life is cruel, then you die'."''
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4r-HWHyB6M Gaijin Goomba]]'''
->''"I'm pretty sick of tortured characters being depressing. Too many stories seem to revel in the [[DarkestHour second act]] at the moment. I'm not a fan of the second act."''
-->-- '''Creator/TomTaylor''', ''IGN Comics'' interview on ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs''
->''"This is why I hate horror games, too. So many times [[ShootTheShaggyDog they just kill your ass at the end]]. ''[='=]Thanks for playing. You're dead.' 'Congratulations surviving all of the monsters; you're now fucking dead. Eat shit![='=]''"''
-->-- '''Creator/MichaelJones''', ''[[Creator/AchievementHunter Let's Watch]] ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddysSisterLocation'' [[https://youtu.be/CtqXoOB7ZtU?t=1121 (Part 3)]]''
->''"You ''might'' get a kick laughing at how [[{{Narm}} grimdark and edgy the story tries to be while being silly as all get-out]], but it is not worth actually trying to play the game just to laugh at people who can't write."''
-->-- '''WebVideo/DarkLordJadow1''' on ''VideoGame/HuntDownTheFreeman''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Webcomics]]
->''Thunt hasn't shown much ability to make the audience sympathize with the characters by fleshing them out (certainly not with the "main" group of characters), so his only recourse is to constantly shit on them so that the audience sympathizes with their plight.''
-->-- '''[[http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Goblins Bad Webcomics Wiki]]''' on ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Western Animation]]
->''[[EightDeadlyWords Every character is annoying.]] [[TheBadGuyWins The bad guy always wins, every single time.]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality The good guy isn't even that good in comparison.]]''
-->-- '''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''WesternAnimation/TheCrampTwins''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:General]]
->"Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke."
-->-- '''Creator/JossWhedon'''
->"It's the monotone crapness of everything -- governments, cultures, people, Exalts, gods, the cosmos, everything. No redeeming features, nothing worth fighting for, nobody who'd bother to get up off their ass or stop filling their pockets to do the fighting even if there were. Dark ''and'' shitty."
-->-- ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' freelancer Holden Shearer, [[http://forums.white-wolf.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1037648#post1037648 defining the term "shitdark"]]
->"People always say they want things dark, but if you don't have a plan to draw people out of that and show how these people overcome it, then you just leave your audience in despair."
-->-- '''Creator/DaveFiloni'''
->''Another big part of this is my realization, after a while, that grimdark is ultimately just as sterile and formulaic and predictable as its opposite. If [[TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed the universe is always doomed]], if the bad guys are always going to win, then there’s no dramatic tension, no possibility of surprise or innovation beyond a point.\\
One of the truths I feel I’ve stumbled across over the years is that the essence of good storytelling isn’t found in extremes, but in variation. No matter whether it’s grimdark or its opposite, too much of the same thing leads to habituation and a decrease in effectiveness. The result is either apathy or [[SerialEscalation a constant arms-race of intensity]] that eventually becomes ridiculous.''
-->--'''[[https://racefortheironthrone.tumblr.com/post/152075538966/ive-noticed-a-recurring-theme-and-know-that-i Race for the Iron Throne]]'''
->''By all means, writers, let your story wander around the dank, twisty little passages. You may even permit that journey to come to a bad end. But without some light source, your story will be eaten by the [[VideoGame/{{Zork}} Grue]] of Indifference.''
-->-- ''The [=dePlume=] Dimension'', "Always Keep a Door Open"
->"There is no hope, only empty despair as one trudges pass the broken works of those who came before; the silent ruins a testament to their false pride. Kinda like my Facebook feed."
-->-- '''WebAnimation/TerribleWritingAdvice - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdJdgbrVzgA POST APOCALYPTIC]]'''
->''"[[CrapsackWorld Ruined World]] + [[WorldOfJerkass cast of Jerk]] = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys]]."''
-->-- [[http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/14/68/72/11/0487.jpg Demotivational Poster]]
[[/folder]]
----
[[AC:Film -- Live-Action]]
->'''Sherrie:''' Well, I like Jigsaw. I think he kills people very creatively.\\
'''Trudie:''' But you don't give a shit who dies because there's no {{character development}}. There's just [[{{Gorn}} body parts ripping and blood spewing]]. Ugh!
-->-- [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGqQpl0CGk Opening scene]] of ''Film/Scream4''
[[AC:Literature]]
->'''Alice:''' I like the Walrus best, because you see he was a little sorry for the poor oysters.\\
'''Tweedledee:''' He ate more than the Carpenter, though. You see, [[CrocodileTears he held his handkerchief in front]], so that the Carpenter couldn't count how many he took: contrariwise.\\
'''Alice:''' That was mean! Then I like the Carpenter best--if he didn't eat so many as the Walrus.\\
'''Tweedledum:''' But he ate as many as he could get.\\
'''Alice:''' Well! They were ''both'' very unpleasant characters!
-->--'''Through The Looking Glass'''
[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
->It can't rain all the time.'' [[ThrowTheDogABone Know when to let the sun break through the clouds]]... Most down-and-outers have lost hope because they cannot change their world. Mages, even Orphans, can. That fact offers the key to the urban cage. Don't throw it away.''
-->--''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension - The Orphan's Survival Guide''
[[AC:Web Orignal]]
->[[CrapsackWorld Ruined World]] + [[WorldOfJerkass cast of Jerk]] = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys]]
-->-- ''[[http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/14/68/72/11/0487.jpg Demotivational Poster]]''
[[AC:Web Video]]
->"Making every hero on earth as dark as Franchise/{{Batman}}? That was your master plan? Great. So, after the audience gets bored to tears by every hero being just like every other hero, they'll be so depressed over how freakin' BLEAK they are, they'll KILL THEMSELVES!"
-->-- '''[[ComicBook/NormanOsborn The Green Goblin]]''' of ''WebVideo/ImAMarvelAndImADC'' to '''ComicBook/TheJoker'''
[[AC:Western Animation]]
->"Yeah, I got royally screwed, know who was there for me? No one, because everyone's an asshole and the whole world sucks balls."
-->-- '''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman,''' ''That's Too Much, Man'' (Season 3, episode 11).
!!Reviews
[[foldercontrol]]
[[folder:On Anime & Manga]]
->"This would be much more heartwrenching if not for the fact that this series has conditioned me to expect death every five minutes."
-->-- '''WebVideo/YRulerOfTime''' on ''Manga/DeathNote''
->"Anger can motivate you to do something other than what made you angry. But depressing misery? It just sucks the life out of you, and you just don’t know what to do with yourself other than making sure you never have to sit through that experience again, especially if it made you miserable for no narrative or artistically sound reason."
-->-- '''WebVideo/BennettTheSage''' on ''De:vadasy''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Comic Books]]
->"Killing characters raises the stakes of a story. ''But'' when you get to the point that an average of five characters per issue are getting killed off, I think the law of diminishing returns kicks in and it stops meaning anything. I think this might've happened because Creator/JephLoeb was trying to mimick Creator/MarkMillar's work, and Mark Millar's stories can be dark and cynical. But I think that Millar was always trying to at least [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstruct]] comic book tropes and ground things, and I think Jeph Loeb maybe just took that surface sheen of sort of violence and negativity and just applied that to his story.
-->-- '''WebVideo/ComicTropes''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GhQRE2lTs on]] ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Fanfiction]]
->''It appears that this story will never end with a good ending. I hope to see what is next in the next chapter. However, I have a gut feeling that everything will break down again in the end.''
-->-- '''[=TU4QU0I53T4IAN6L3=]''' on chapter 52 of ''Fanfic/{{Trauma}}'' (we won't spoil it for you)
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Film -- Animated]]
->"To protect them from being abused, my emotions have detached themselves from this animated film."
-->-- '''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''Animation/DoggyPoo''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Film -- Live-Action]]
->''That things happen as they do in ''Shuttle'' I suppose is true, however rarely. But a film can have an opinion about them. This one simply serves them up in hard merciless detail. There is no release for the audience, no 'entertainment', not even much action excitement. Just a remorseless march into the dark.''
-->-- '''Creator/RogerEbert''' on ''Film/{{Shuttle}}''.
->''Watching cardboard characters meet horrible fates can be entertaining, but where's the fun in watching real human beings die in what you thought was going to be light entertainment? A certain plot development in one of the films mentioned here made me sob so convulsively it almost washed my contact lenses away, and, honestly, I'm not sure how much of that level of cinematic trauma I could take.''
-->-- '''Anne Billson''' on ''Film/Godzilla2014'', [[http://www.businessinsider.com/the-monsters-are-more-important-than-the-humans-in-disaster-movies-2014-5#ixzz32kUYBpW4 "Here's Why The Monsters Are More Important Than The Humans In Disaster Movies"]]
->"I don't want to sound callous, but I want to see this place become a CRATER!"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh Oancitizen]]''', on ''Film/KenPark''
->"If anything, I feel disturbed by the fact that when I watch another person get their head bitten off by a monster, I feel no emotion whatsoever. It is ''wrong'' to feel uninterested, indifferent, and bored when you see somebody die. But, that's what this movie does to you."
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g LittleJimmy835]]''' on ''Film/AliensVsPredatorRequiem''.
->"After Ripley survived the events of ''Film/{{Aliens}}'', along with Newt, Corporal Hicks, and what's left of the android Bishop, you'd think they'd get a little break. [[HappyEndingOverride But nope, the ship has a fire and they crash on a planet]]. ''Nobody'' survives the crash except Ripley; all these characters that you rooted for in the last movie, are all ''dead''! Even the little girl is dead! It's like a cruel joke! Even worse, this is a prison planet full of criminals and rapists, with Ripley being the only woman. With everything the character has been through, you'd think there'd be ''some'' light at the end of the tunnel, but no; ''Film/Alien3'' immediately drops her into Hell and starts off on a depressing note which sustains for the entire film. When I saw this for the first time when I was about twelve years old, ''[[AngstAversion I couldn't even stand to watch it]]''! This movie is so depressing, it'll make you want to blow your brains out!"
-->-- '''Creator/JamesRolfe''' on ''Film/Alien3''
->"This is the major problem with the movie. Because the movie doesn't actually side either one of them. I think perhaps they thought they were when they writing the script. But when you watch the film, Travolta's character is clearly over the top when it comes to being a fan of somebody..... [all the actions Travolta's character Moose has done] are all terrible things. So obviously we are not suppose to side with this obsessed fan. But, at the same time, Hunter is rude from the get go. He doesn't have a real reason to treat Moose the way he does. Now granted, Moose is invading his privacy, no doubt. But there is no reason to say what he says to him. And so on this way, you can kind of understand why Moose already being an obsessed fan freaks out and goes too far. But you can also understand why Hunter as the actor dealing with this obsessed fan is bothered by it. So there is no conflict, and there is no contrast. These are two people who are both doing it wrong. The film doesn't side with one of them, and so you don't give a shit. That in a nutshell is the biggest logical issue with this movie beyond a lot of other things that are unintentionally hilarious."
-->-- '''WebVideo/ChrisStuckmann''' on ''Film/TheFanatic''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Literature]]
->''When this story first appeared, the fans detested it. I read it over, perplexed by their hostility, and could see why: it is a superdowner story, and relentlessly so. Could I rewrite it, [[CreatorBacklash I would have it end differently.]]''
-->-- '''Creator/PhilipKDick''' on his short story ''Sales Pitch''
->''In ''Literature/{{Night Watch|Discworld}}'', there is criticism of the powerful who abuse their position, but anyone who tries to change it is mocked as an [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids idealistic buffoon]]. The rebels receive a pile of ridicule even though they’re fighting a repressive dictatorship that kidnaps and tortures them. The people are depicted as petty, gullible and easily distracted, and [[HobbesWasRight almost deserve a dictator.]] Instead of fighting for what’s right, the book takes a “Giant Douche v Turd Sandwich” approach to politics and it's hard to avoid the conclusion that there’s no point trying to make things better, because it won’t work.''
-->-- '''Robert Nielsen''', "[[https://whistlinginthewind.org/2017/03/24/are-the-discworld-books-overrated/ Are The ''Discworld'' Books Overrated?]]"
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Live-Action TV]]
->"''Series/StarTrekDiscovery''...isn't fun. It's a war story with little war, it's an adventure story with little adventure, it's a science piece with idiot science and the most light-hearted character [[FauxAffablyEvil turned out to be the villain.]]"
-->-- '''Website/SFDebris''' on ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery''
->"I didn't watch ''Series/GameOfThrones''. I tried. At a certain point, after enough murders and betrayals, I stopped caring. Israeli politics has the same effect. After enough betrayals and lies, apathy is tempting."
-->-- '''Zehava Gal'on, former member of the Israeli parliament'''
->"The last two episodes are somewhat competently made, but it's two sides you don't like fighting over a city you don't care about for the fate of people that you don't know. Whoop-de-freaking-shit."
-->-- '''WebVideo/DarkLordJadow1''' on ''Series/{{Inhumans}}''
->''The Season 5 finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', a body-count extravaganza even by the HBO series’ carnivorous standards, has boosted an unusual form of protest: sympathy for the ice zombies. Angry fans have taken to Twitter to declare that they are now rooting for [=#TeamWhiteWalkers=], the undead army threatening to overrun the land and destroy humanity. The show’s world, Westeros, they say, is so horrible that it doesn’t deserve to survive, and besides, the White Walkers couldn’t be any worse than its current masters.''
-->--'''''[[http://time.com/3924156/game-of-thrones-white-walkers/ Time Magazine]]'''''
->''''Series/ThirteenReasonsWhy'' is a miserable show. The best and worst things about it are all because of the despair the show is built around. I don't have a problem with attempting to tackle weighty and complicated subject matter, but we're over 26 hours deep with virtually no levity at all. I think there's a reason films like ''Film/RequiemForADream'', ''Film/{{Trainspotting}}'', and ''Detachment'' are all under two hours.... Unlike something like ''Trainspotting'' that adds levity to the despairing subject matter with comedy, without any contrast of emotions, everything [in ''13 Reasons Why''] winds up feeling hopeless and overbearing.''
-->-- '''WebVideo/IHateEverything''' on ''Series/ThirteenReasonsWhy''
[[/folder]]
[[folder:On Video Games]]
->"The characters have [[ShootTheShaggyDog achieved nothing, learned nothing]], will hopefully now jump into a big black hole and ''return'' to nothing! Just as the visuals succeed too well at being [[StylisticSuck deliberately hideous]], the protagonists succeed too well at being ''[[SociopathicHero deliberately wankers]]!'' There's ''nothing'' fun about the game, no light relief; just one piece of nauseating unpleasantness after another, like a roadside café breakfast special by Jeffrey Dahmer!"
-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''', [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1976-Kane-Lynch-2-Dog-Days on]] ''VideoGame/KaneAndLynch 2''
->''"One of the big reasons I tend to stay away from triple-A games is their dark, gritty, and hopeless nature. These games are constantly showing you just how worthless, evil, and monstrous humanity can be, and in many circumstances, there's no hope for them, or even ''you''. There's simply the somber and sobering story of 'life is cruel, then you die'."''
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4r-HWHyB6M Gaijin Goomba]]'''
->''"I'm pretty sick of tortured characters being depressing. Too many stories seem to revel in the [[DarkestHour second act]] at the moment. I'm not a fan of the second act."''
-->-- '''Creator/TomTaylor''', ''IGN Comics'' interview on ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs''
->''"This is why I hate horror games, too. So many times [[ShootTheShaggyDog they just kill your ass at the end]]. ''[='=]Thanks for playing. You're dead.' 'Congratulations surviving all of the monsters; you're now fucking dead. Eat shit![='=]''"''
-->-- '''Creator/MichaelJones''', ''[[Creator/AchievementHunter Let's Watch]] ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddysSisterLocation'' [[https://youtu.be/CtqXoOB7ZtU?t=1121 (Part 3)]]''
->''"You ''might'' get a kick laughing at how [[{{Narm}} grimdark and edgy the story tries to be while being silly as all get-out]], but it is not worth actually trying to play the game just to laugh at people who can't write."''
-->-- '''WebVideo/DarkLordJadow1''' on ''VideoGame/HuntDownTheFreeman''
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->''Thunt hasn't shown much ability to make the audience sympathize with the characters by fleshing them out (certainly not with the "main" group of characters), so his only recourse is to constantly shit on them so that the audience sympathizes with their plight.''
-->-- '''[[http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Goblins Bad Webcomics Wiki]]''' on ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}''
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->''[[EightDeadlyWords Every character is annoying.]] [[TheBadGuyWins The bad guy always wins, every single time.]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality The good guy isn't even that good in comparison.]]''
-->-- '''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''WesternAnimation/TheCrampTwins''
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->"Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke."
-->-- '''Creator/JossWhedon'''
->"It's the monotone crapness of everything -- governments, cultures, people, Exalts, gods, the cosmos, everything. No redeeming features, nothing worth fighting for, nobody who'd bother to get up off their ass or stop filling their pockets to do the fighting even if there were. Dark ''and'' shitty."
-->-- ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' freelancer Holden Shearer, [[http://forums.white-wolf.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1037648#post1037648 defining the term "shitdark"]]
->"People always say they want things dark, but if you don't have a plan to draw people out of that and show how these people overcome it, then you just leave your audience in despair."
-->-- '''Creator/DaveFiloni'''
->''Another big part of this is my realization, after a while, that grimdark is ultimately just as sterile and formulaic and predictable as its opposite. If [[TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed the universe is always doomed]], if the bad guys are always going to win, then there’s no dramatic tension, no possibility of surprise or innovation beyond a point.\\
One of the truths I feel I’ve stumbled across over the years is that the essence of good storytelling isn’t found in extremes, but in variation. No matter whether it’s grimdark or its opposite, too much of the same thing leads to habituation and a decrease in effectiveness. The result is either apathy or [[SerialEscalation a constant arms-race of intensity]] that eventually becomes ridiculous.''
-->--'''[[https://racefortheironthrone.tumblr.com/post/152075538966/ive-noticed-a-recurring-theme-and-know-that-i Race for the Iron Throne]]'''
->''By all means, writers, let your story wander around the dank, twisty little passages. You may even permit that journey to come to a bad end. But without some light source, your story will be eaten by the [[VideoGame/{{Zork}} Grue]] of Indifference.''
-->-- ''The [=dePlume=] Dimension'', "Always Keep a Door Open"
->"There is no hope, only empty despair as one trudges pass the broken works of those who came before; the silent ruins a testament to their false pride. Kinda like my Facebook feed."
-->-- '''WebAnimation/TerribleWritingAdvice - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdJdgbrVzgA POST APOCALYPTIC]]'''
->''"[[CrapsackWorld Ruined World]] + [[WorldOfJerkass cast of Jerk]] = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys]]."''
-->-- [[http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/14/68/72/11/0487.jpg Demotivational Poster]]
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