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->'''Batman''': incidentally, I ''spoke'' to Commissioner Gordon before I came ''in'' here. He's ''fine.'' Despite all your sick, vicious little ''games'', he's as ''sane'' as he ''ever'' was. So maybe ordinary people ''don't'' always crack. Maybe there ''isn't'' any need to crawl under a ''rock'' with all the ''other'' slimey things when trouble hits... Maybe it was just ''you'', all the time.


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->'''Batman''': incidentally, Incidentally, I ''spoke'' to Commissioner Gordon before I came ''in'' here. He's ''fine.'' Despite all your sick, vicious little ''games'', he's as ''sane'' as he ''ever'' was. So maybe ordinary people ''don't'' always crack. Maybe there ''isn't'' any need to crawl under a ''rock'' with all the ''other'' slimey things when trouble hits... Maybe it was just ''you'', all the time.

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->It's all a ''joke!'' Everything anybody ever ''valued'' or ''struggled'' for... it's all a ''monstrous'', demented gag! So why can't ''you'' see the ''funny side''?\\


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->It's all a ''joke!'' Everything anybody ever ''valued'' or ''struggled'' for... it's all a ''monstrous'', demented gag! ''gag!'' So why can't ''you'' see the ''funny side''?\\

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->'''Batman''': "Hello. I came to talk. I've been thinking lately. About you and me. About what's going to happen to us, in the end. We're going to kill each other, aren't we? Perhaps you'll kill me. Perhaps I'll kill you. Perhaps sooner. Perhaps later. I just wanted to know that I'd made a genuine attempt to talk things over and '''avert''' that outcome. Just once. Are you listening to me? It's life and death that I'm discussing here. Maybe my death... maybe yours. I don't fully understand why ours should be such a fatal relationship, but I don't want your murder on my... hands..."

->'''Joker''': "Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes. Like children, I suppose. Haha. But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we can't face them, we deny reason itself! Although, why not? We aren't contractually tied down to rationality! [[Film/ANightAtTheOpera There is no sanity clause]]! So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unbearable, remember: There's always madness. Madness is the emergency exit... You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away... Forever."

->'''Joker''': "So... I see you received the free ticket I sent you. I'm glad. I did so want you to be here. You see, it doesn't matter if you catch me and send me back to the asylum... Gordon's been driven mad. I've proved my point. I've demonstrated there's no difference between me and everyone else! All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.\\


->You had a bad day once, am I right? I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day and everything changed. Why else would you dress up like a flying rat? You had a bad day, and it drove you as crazy as everybody else... only you won't admit it! You have to keep pretending that life makes sense, that there's some point to all this struggling! God, you make me want to puke.\\


->I mean, what '''''is''''' it with you? What made you what you are? Girlfriend killed by the mob, maybe? Brother carved up by some mugger? Something like that, I bet. Something like that...\\


->Something like that happened to me, you know. I... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... [[TropeNamer if I'm going to have a past]], [[MultipleChoicePast I prefer it to be multiple choice!]]


->But my point is... my point is, I went crazy. When I saw what a black, awful '''joke''' the world was, I went crazy as a coot! I admit it! ''[[AtLeastIAdmitIt Why can't you?]]'' I mean, you're not unintelligent! You must see the reality of the situation. Do you know how many times we've come close to World War Three over a flock of ''geese'' on a computer screen? Do you know what triggered the last World War? An argument over how many telegraph poles Germany owed its war debt creditors! '''Telegraph poles!'''\\


->It's all a joke! Everything anybody ever valued or struggled for... it's all a monstrous, demented gag! So why can't you see the funny side?\\


->Why aren't you laughing?"

->'''Batman''': "[[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before]]... [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny]] [[NeverHeardThatOneBefore the first time.]]"

->'''Batman''': "I spoke to Commissioner Gordon before I came in here. He's fine. Despite all your sick, vicious little games, he's as sane as he ever was! So maybe ordinary people don't always crack. Maybe there isn't any need to crawl under a rock with all the other slimey things when trouble hits. Maybe it was just you, all the time!"


->'''Batman''': "Don't you ''understand''? I don't want to hurt you. I don't want either of us to end up killing the other. But we're both running out of alternatives... and we both know it. Maybe it all hinges on tonight. Maybe this is our last chance to sort this bloody mess out. If you don't take it, then we're both locked onto a suicide course. Both of us. To the death. It doesn't ''have'' to end like that. I don't know what it was that bent your life out of shape, but who knows? Maybe I've been there too. Maybe I can help. We could work together. I could rehabilitate you. You needn't be out there on the edge anymore. You needn't be alone. We don't ''have'' to kill each other. What do you say?"

->'''Joker''': "No. I'm sorry, but... no. It's too late for that. Far too late. Hahaha. Y'know, it's funny. This situation. It reminds me of a joke..."

->'''Joker''': "See, there were these [[IHaveThisFriend two guys]] in a lunatic asylum. And one night, they decide they don't like living in an asylum anymore. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and ''there'', just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away into the moonlight. Stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his ''friend'', his friend daredn't make the leap. Y'see... y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says, 'Hey, I have a flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk across the beam and join me!' But the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... he says 'Wh-what do you think I am? ''Crazy''? [[RightForTheWrongReasons You'd turn it off when I was halfway across]]!'"

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->'''Batman''': "Hello.Hello. I came to talk. I've been thinking ''thinking'' lately. About you and me. About what's going to happen ''happen'' to us, in the end. ''end''. We're going to kill ''kill'' each other, aren't we? Perhaps you'll kill me. Perhaps I'll kill you. Perhaps sooner. Perhaps later. I just wanted to know that I'd made a genuine attempt to talk things over ''over'' and '''avert''' ''avert'' that outcome. Just once. ''once''. Are you listening ''listening'' to me? It's life ''life and death death'' that I'm discussing here. Maybe my ''my'' death... maybe yours. ''yours''. I don't fully understand why ours should be such a fatal ''fatal'' relationship, but I don't want your murder ''murder'' on my... hands..."

hands...

->'''Joker''': "Memories ''Memories'' can be vile, repulsive ''vile, repulsive'' little brutes. ''brutes''. Like children, ''children'', I suppose. Haha. ''Haha''. But can we live without ''without'' them? Memories ''Memories'' are what our reason ''reason'' is based upon. If we can't face ''face'' them, we deny reason itself! Although, why not? ''not''? We aren't contractually ''contractually tied down down'' to rationality! ''rationality''! [[Film/ANightAtTheOpera There is no There]] ''[[Film/ANightAtTheOpera is]]'' [[Film/ANightAtTheOpera no]] ''[[Film/ANightAtTheOpera sanity clause]]! clause]]!'' So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unbearable, ''unbearable,'' remember: There's always madness. Madness ''madness. Madness'' is the emergency exit... ''emergency exit...'' You can just step outside, ''outside'', and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away... Forever."

''away...'' Forever.

->'''Joker''': "So... ''So...'' I see you received the free ticket ''free ticket'' I sent you. I'm glad. ''glad.'' I did so ''so'' want you to be here. You see, it doesn't matter ''matter'' if you catch ''catch'' me and send me back to the asylum... ''asylum...'' Gordon's been driven mad. ''mad.'' I've proved my point. I've demonstrated there's no difference ''no difference'' between me and everyone else! ''else!'' All it takes is one ''one bad day day'' to reduce the sanest ''sanest man alive alive'' to lunacy. That's ''lunacy. That's'' how far the world ''world'' is from where I ''I'' am. Just one ''one bad day.''\\


->''You'' had a ''bad day'' once, am I ''right?'' I ''know'' I am. I can ''tell.'' You had a ''bad day'' and everything ''changed.'' Why ''else'' would you dress up like a ''flying rat?'' You had a ''bad day'', and it drove you as ''crazy'' as ''everybody else...'' only ''you'' won't ''admit'' it! You have to keep ''pretending'' that life makes ''sense'', that there's some ''point'' to all this ''struggling!'' God, you make me want to ''puke.''\\


->I ''mean'', what ''is'' it with you? What ''made'' you what you ''are''? Girlfriend killed by the ''mob'', maybe? ''Brother'' carved up by some ''mugger''? ''Something'' like that, I bet. ''Something'' like that...
\\


->You had a bad day once, am I right? I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day and everything changed. Why else would you dress up like a flying rat? You had a bad day, and it drove you as crazy as everybody else... only you won't admit it! You have to keep pretending that life makes sense, that there's some point to all this struggling! God, you make me want to puke.\\


->I mean, what '''''is''''' it with you? What made you what you are? Girlfriend killed by the mob, maybe? Brother carved up by some mugger? Something like that, I bet. Something like that...\\


->Something like that happened to me, ''me'', you know. I... I'm not exactly sure ''sure'' what it was. Sometimes I remember it one ''one'' way, sometimes another... ''another...'' [[TropeNamer if I'm going to have a past]], a]] ''[[TropeNamer past]]'', [[MultipleChoicePast I prefer it to be be]] ''[[MultipleChoicePast multiple choice!]]


choice!]] Ha ha ha!''


->But my ''my'' point is... my point is, I ''is, I'' went crazy. ''crazy.'' When I saw ''saw'' what a black, awful '''joke''' ''joke'' the world was, ''was'', I went crazy as a coot! ''coot!'' I admit ''admit'' it! [[AtLeastIAdmitIt Why can't]] ''[[AtLeastIAdmitIt Why can't you?]]'' I mean, you're ''mean, you're'' not unintelligent! ''unintelligent''! You must ''must'' see the reality ''reality'' of the situation. Do you know ''know'' how many times we've come close to World ''World War Three Three'' over a flock of ''geese'' on a computer screen? ''computer screen?'' Do you know what triggered the last ''last'' World War? An argument over how many telegraph poles ''telegraph poles'' Germany owed its war debt ''war debt'' creditors! '''Telegraph poles!'''\\


'''''Telegraph poles! Ha ha ha ha HA!'''''\\


->It's all a joke! ''joke!'' Everything anybody ever valued ''valued'' or struggled ''struggled'' for... it's all a monstrous, ''monstrous'', demented gag! So why can't you ''you'' see the funny side?\\


''funny side''?\\


->Why aren't you laughing?"

''laughing''?

->'''Batman''': "[[ShutUpHannibal [[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before]]... it]] ''[[ShutUpHannibal before]]...'' [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny]] [[NeverHeardThatOneBefore the first the]] ''[[NeverHeardThatOneBefore first]]'' [[NeverHeardThatOneBefore time.]]"

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->'''Batman''': "I spoke incidentally, I ''spoke'' to Commissioner Gordon before I came in ''in'' here. He's fine. ''fine.'' Despite all your sick, vicious little games, ''games'', he's as sane ''sane'' as he ever was! ''ever'' was. So maybe ordinary people don't ''don't'' always crack. Maybe there isn't ''isn't'' any need to crawl under a rock ''rock'' with all the other ''other'' slimey things when trouble hits. hits... Maybe it was just you, ''you'', all the time!"


time.


->'''Batman''': "Don't Don't you ''understand''? I don't want to hurt ''hurt'' you. I don't want either ''either'' of us to end up killing ''killing'' the other. other... But we're both running out of alternatives... ''alternatives...'' and we both know ''know'' it. Maybe it all hinges on tonight. ''tonight.'' Maybe this is our last chance ''last chance'' to sort this bloody mess out. ''out.'' If you don't take ''take'' it, then we're both locked onto a suicide ''suicide course. Both Both'' of us. To the death. ''death.'' It doesn't ''have'' to end like that. I don't know what it was ''was'' that bent your life ''life'' out of shape, ''shape'', but who knows? ''knows?'' Maybe I've been there too. ''too.'' Maybe I can help. ''help.'' We could work ''work'' together. I could rehabilitate ''rehabilitate'' you. You needn't be out there on the edge anymore. ''edge'' any more. You needn't be alone. ''alone.'' We don't ''have'' to kill each other. What do you say?"

''say''?

->'''Joker''': "No.No. I'm sorry, but... no. It's too late ''late'' for that. Far ''Far'' too late. Hahaha. ''Hahaha.'' Y'know, it's funny. ''funny...'' This situation. ''situation.'' It reminds me of a joke..."

''joke...''

->'''Joker''': "See, See, there were these [[IHaveThisFriend two guys]] in a lunatic asylum. ''lunatic asylum...'' And one ''one'' night, one night they decide they don't like ''like'' living in an asylum anymore. ''asylum'' any more. They decide they're going to escape! ''escape!'' So, like, they get up onto the roof, ''roof'', and ''there'', just across this narrow gap, ''gap'', they see the rooftops of the town, ''town'', stretching away into the moonlight. ''moonlight...'' Stretching away to freedom. ''freedom.'' Now, the first ''first'' guy, he jumps right across with no problem. ''problem.'' But his ''friend'', his friend daredn't make the leap. ''leap.'' Y'see... y'see, he's afraid of falling. ''falling.'' So then, the first ''first'' guy has an idea... ''idea...'' He says, 'Hey, "''Hey!'' I have a flashlight my ''flashlight'' with me! I'll shine it across the gap ''gap'' between the buildings. ''buildings.'' You can walk across along the beam ''beam'' and join me!' But ''join'' me!" B-but the second ''second'' guy just shakes his head. ''head.'' He suh-says... he says 'Wh-what "Wh-what do you think I am? ''Crazy''? ''am?'' '''''CRAZY?''''' [[RightForTheWrongReasons You'd turn it off it]] ''[[RightForTheWrongReasons off]]'' [[RightForTheWrongReasons when I was halfway across]]!'"
half way]] ''[[RightForTheWrongReasons across]]!''"
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->'''Batman''': "[[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before]]... [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny]] [[NeverheardThatOnebefore the first time.]]"

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->'''Batman''': "[[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before]]... [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny]] [[NeverheardThatOnebefore [[NeverHeardThatOneBefore the first time.]]"
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->'''Batman''': "[[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before]]... [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny the first time.]]"

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->'''Batman''': "[[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before]]... [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny funny]] [[NeverheardThatOnebefore the first time.]]"
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->''"[ [[ComicBook/TheJoker The Joker has]] ] a kind of muddy kind of origin. They’d said that he’d been the leader of a criminal gang called the Red Hood Mob and that while trying to escape from Batman he’d swum across this river of chemicals...That was about it and this was [[Creator/BillFinger from a story from, like, the late ’50s or something]] and so I thought “[[{{Retcon}} Okay, I won’t contradict that]],” because I kind of [[CanonWelding believe in working by the rules of the material as it already exists]] but [[MultipleChoicePast I can put a lot of spin on that]]."''

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->''"[ [[ComicBook/TheJoker The Joker has]] has ] a kind of muddy kind of origin. They’d said that he’d been the leader of a criminal gang called the Red Hood Mob and that while trying to escape from Batman he’d swum across this river of chemicals...That was about it and this was [[Creator/BillFinger from a story from, like, the late ’50s or something]] and so I thought “[[{{Retcon}} Okay, I won’t contradict that]],” because I kind of [[CanonWelding believe in working by the rules of the material as it already exists]] but [[MultipleChoicePast I can put a lot of spin on that]]."''
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->''Well, [[HollywoodPersonalityDisorders psychotic murders — the key word there is “psychotic,”]] which is, as far [[TheMentallyDisturbed as I know, an illness]]. This is not to say that people shouldn’t be entitled to feel rage or the lust for {{revenge}} when something happens to them at the hands of somebody like this, but you’ve got to remember at the end of the day it’s not strictly speaking that person’s fault. [[FreudianExcuse That something has happened to them]], they have made some bad decision in their life, and while all of us are responsible for our actions, [[SanitySlippage sometimes people get broken and it is increasingly difficult for them to know their own actions]]. So I suppose that if there was anything actually being said in “The Killing Joke,” it was that everybody has probably got a reason for being where they are, even the most monstrous of us.''

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->''Well, [[HollywoodPersonalityDisorders psychotic murders — the key word there is “psychotic,”]] “psychotic,” which is, as far [[TheMentallyDisturbed as I know, an illness]]. This is not to say that people shouldn’t be entitled to feel rage or the lust for {{revenge}} when something happens to them at the hands of somebody like this, but you’ve got to remember at the end of the day it’s not strictly speaking that person’s fault. [[FreudianExcuse That something has happened to them]], they have made some bad decision in their life, and while all of us are responsible for our actions, [[SanitySlippage sometimes people get broken and it is increasingly difficult for them to know their own actions]]. So I suppose that if there was anything actually being said in “The Killing Joke,” it was that everybody has probably got a reason for being where they are, even the most monstrous of us.''
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->'''Batman''': "[[PreAssKickingOneLiner Because I've heard it before... and it wasn't funny the first time.]]"

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->'''Batman''': "[[PreAssKickingOneLiner "[[ShutUpHannibal Because I've heard it before... before]]... [[PreAssKickingOneLiner and it wasn't funny the first time.]]"
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->'''Joker''': "Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes. Like children, I suppose. Haha. But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we can't face them, we deny reason itself! Although, why not? We aren't contractually tied down to rationality! There is no sanity clause! So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unbearable, remember: There's always madness. Madness is the emergency exit... You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away... Forever."

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->'''Joker''': "Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes. Like children, I suppose. Haha. But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we can't face them, we deny reason itself! Although, why not? We aren't contractually tied down to rationality! [[Film/ANightAtTheOpera There is no sanity clause! clause]]! So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unbearable, remember: There's always madness. Madness is the emergency exit... You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away... Forever."
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->'''Joker''': "Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes, like children, I suppose. Haha. But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we can't face them, we deny reason itself! Although, why not? We aren't contractually tied down to rationality! There is no sanity clause! So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unbearable, remember: There's always madness. Madness is the emergency exit... You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away... Forever."

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->'''Joker''': "Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes, like brutes. Like children, I suppose. Haha. But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we can't face them, we deny reason itself! Although, why not? We aren't contractually tied down to rationality! There is no sanity clause! So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unbearable, remember: There's always madness. Madness is the emergency exit... You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away... Forever."

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