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->[[MemeticMutation Jar Jar is the key to all of this]]. If we get Jar Jar working, 'cause he's a funnier character than we've ever had in [[Franchise/StarWars the movies]].

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->[[MemeticMutation Jar Jar is the key to all of this]]. If we get Jar Jar working, 'cause he's a funnier character than we've ever had in [[Franchise/StarWars the movies]].movies before]].
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->[[MemeticMutation Jar Jar is the key to all of this]]. If we get Jar Jar working, 'cause he's a funnier character than we've ever had in [[Franchise/StarWars the movies]].
-->-- '''Creator/GeorgeLucas'''
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->Alexander was Michael Piller's mother's favorite character!
-->--'''Rene Echevarria''' on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''



->First Zod falls in love with Lana, now Bizarro? [[BlackHoleSue Is Brainiac next?]] Hey, I have an awesome idea, Al (Gough) and Miles (Millar). Let's introduce Doomsday, but instead of being evil, he falls in love with Lana! I'm a fucking genius! I just wrote Season 8!
-->-- '''''Website/TelevisionWithoutPity''''' on ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', "Persona"

->The cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point.
-->--'''El Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/his-almost-gleeful-pleasure-mindwarp/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E2Mindwarp}} "Mindwarp"]]

->Watching Neelix sloughing in the Captain’s chair on the Bridge is enough to make you feel nauseous. What has ''Star Trek'' come to?
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2012/03/voyager-seasn-two.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Initiations"

->The major sin of 'Web of Life', much like its sister story 'Web of Death,' is the utterly ham-fisted way it tries to force readers into thinking mystery villain Kaine is an absolutely rockass new character who deserves his own ongoing monthly title. Actually, he was a pretty damn boring villain and gets worse once you know his secret backstory, but we’ll get into that later. For now, he’s just a generic more-powerful-than-thou douchebag with vague motivations and [[FashionVictimVillain a hilariously terrible costume]], who exists to [[NinetiesAntiHero destroy all possible sense of joy and entertainment in a comic.]]"
-->--'''''Blog/ToplessRobot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories...]] Just From ComicBook/TheCloneSaga"

->''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out ComicBook/{{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[Creator/KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]].
-->--'''Chris Sims''', [[http://comicsalliance.com/worst-of-the-worst-batman-the-widening-gyre-6/?trackback=tsmclip "Worst of the Worst: ‘Batman: The Widening Gyre’ #6"]]



->After three films, [[Creator/GeorgeLucas Lucas]] finally got it. We only see this loathsome cunt for only [[Film/RevengeOfTheSith a brief moment or two]]. But even though his role as a funny thing for young kids is no longer useful, he's still running around the Senate doing stuff. Why isn't he working as a janitor somewhere? Y'know, [[Film/ThePhantomMenace the thing he did on Naboo]] was like ''fifteen years'' ago; you'd think the novelty would've worn off.
-->--'''WebVideo/RedLetterMedia''' on '''Jar Jar Binks'''
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->'''Gleeman Vox:''' Wouldn't you like to play with an Ace Hardlight action figure? [[CharacterShilling All the cool kids are doing it!]]\\
'''Vernon:''' Yeah, whatever, that guy's a [[{{Jerkass}} tool]].\\
'''Gleeman Vox:''' Uh, yeah. So if, uh, Ace is, uh... uh, a tool, whose action figure would you rather have? Huh?\\
'''Vernon:''' I don't know, maybe that lombax guy who smoked Reactor! He was like, ''(makes FunnyBruceLeeNoises and gets shocked for the trouble)'' [[IWantMyMommy Mom!]]
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->Whatever you might wanna say about George Lucas, when audiences said they didn't like Jar Jar, he dialed the character down to a few cameos throughout the rest of the films. When the Voyager producers where told the audiences didn't like Neelix, they decided to get rid of Neelix's beautiful, smart, competent ex-girlfriend and let him hang around to remind the audience how much they hate you personally.

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->Whatever you might wanna say about George Lucas, when audiences said they didn't like Jar Jar, [[AuthorsSavingThrow he dialed the character down down]] to a few cameos throughout the rest of the films. When the Voyager producers where told the audiences didn't like Neelix, they decided to get rid of Neelix's beautiful, smart, competent ex-girlfriend and let him hang around to remind the audience how much they hate you personally.
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-->--'''Phil Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/his-almost-gleeful-pleasure-mindwarp/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E2Mindwarp}} "Mindwarp"]]

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-->--'''Phil -->--'''El Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/his-almost-gleeful-pleasure-mindwarp/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E2Mindwarp}} "Mindwarp"]]
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->''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out {{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[Creator/KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]].

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->''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out {{the ComicBook/{{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[Creator/KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]].
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->"Ophelia's adventure is as well-thought-out as Hamlet's, but rather than being a hero suffering from crippling inaction, you are [[MarySue a smart, self-sufficient woman who knows what she wants and is totally rad 100% of the time, and also you are dating a PRINCE]]. You can choose what you want to do with your life: help [[{{Theatre/Hamlet}} your boyfriend who's crying about a spooky ghost]], or I don't know TAKE DOWN INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS INSTEAD?? It's nuts. It's awesome. Oh my gosh."
-->--'''The Narrator''', ''Literature/ToBeOrNotToBeThatIsTheAdventure''
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-->--'''Phil Sandifer''' [[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/06/his-almost-gleeful-pleasure-mindwarp.html on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E2Mindwarp}} "Mindwarp"]]

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-->--'''Phil Sandifer''' [[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/06/his-almost-gleeful-pleasure-mindwarp.html eruditorumpress.com/blog/his-almost-gleeful-pleasure-mindwarp/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E2Mindwarp}} "Mindwarp"]]
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"He's... tactlessly musing on how Rose would miraculously come up with a solution to the Carrionite problem. When in fact Rose would probably say something sarcastic and then get herself captured by snoozy PR robot, Lilith."

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"He's...->"He's... tactlessly musing on how Rose would miraculously come up with a solution to the Carrionite problem. When in fact Rose would probably say something sarcastic and then get herself captured by snoozy PR robot, Lilith."
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"He's... tactlessly musing on how Rose would miraculously come up with a solution to the Carrionite problem. When in fact Rose would probably say something sarcastic and then get herself captured by snoozy PR robot, Lilith."
-->--'''Shadowlocked''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', "The Shakespeare Code"
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->C'mon, Lana! You're amazing!

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->C'mon, ->[[CharacterShilling C'mon, Lana! You're amazing!amazing!]]
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-->-- ''{{Smallville}}'', "Thirst"

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-->-- ''{{Smallville}}'', ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', "Thirst"
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->It’s always lame to try and make your audience like a character by attaching a big body count or stupid-high power levels to him, but having him kill one of the all-time awesome, classic Spider-man villains [[DroppedABridgeOnHim offhandedly at the end of a story]] that didn’t concern him, and for literally no reason at all, is fucking ridiculous and stupid. Thank God this kind of shit mostly died with the ‘90s. (I’m looking at you, Creator/JephLoeb.)
-->--'''''Blog/ToplessRobot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories... Just From The Clone Saga"]]

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->It’s always lame to try and make your audience ->The major sin of 'Web of Life', much like a its sister story 'Web of Death,' is the utterly ham-fisted way it tries to force readers into thinking mystery villain Kaine is an absolutely rockass new character by attaching who deserves his own ongoing monthly title. Actually, he was a big body count or stupid-high power levels to him, pretty damn boring villain and gets worse once you know his secret backstory, but having him kill one of the all-time awesome, classic Spider-man villains [[DroppedABridgeOnHim offhandedly at the end of a story]] we’ll get into that didn’t concern him, and for literally no reason at all, is fucking ridiculous and stupid. Thank God this kind of shit mostly died later. For now, he’s just a generic more-powerful-than-thou douchebag with the ‘90s. (I’m looking at you, Creator/JephLoeb.)
vague motivations and [[FashionVictimVillain a hilariously terrible costume]], who exists to [[NinetiesAntiHero destroy all possible sense of joy and entertainment in a comic.]]"
-->--'''''Blog/ToplessRobot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories... ]] Just From The Clone Saga"]]
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-->--'''RedLetterMedia''' on '''Jar Jar Binks'''

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->Alexander was Michael Piller's mother's favorite character!
-->--'''Rene Echevarria''' on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''
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->Heck, people [[GodwinsLaw burned other people in ovens]] in real life. Does that mean I want to watch that for entertainment, unless it's being villainized? NO.\\\
Not saying Lana's a nazi, though there's always the off chance.
-->--'''Neal bailey''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville5-ep11 on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Lockdown")
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->Heck, people [[GodwinsLaw burned other people in ovens]] in real life. Does that mean I want to watch that for entertainment, unless it's being villainized? NO.\\\
Not saying Lana's a nazi, though there's always the off chance.
-->--'''Neal bailey''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville5-ep11 on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Lockdown")

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->Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[StrangledByTheRedString Where this came from]], I don't know... Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: ''"I have too much to live for!"''\\\
So now not only is Lex despondent and ready to become an evil man [[MoralityChain without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his reason [[SatelliteCharacter for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and worthy of being loved by EVERYONE. Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.\\\
[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful As a social commentary]], it's an embarrassing state of affairs. As a TV show premise, it's *%$@ing insane. And in this episode, it only gets worse.
-->--'''Neal Bailey''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville5-ep20 on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Fade")

->Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute Lana showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need to [[TheBusCameBack bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?\\\
Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed in a way that even [[EvenEvilHasStandards caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[RetiredMonster a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the 'bad guy'. To put her in a position where she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about [[KnowNothingKnowItAll how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and she kicks the tar out of him? Give me a break.
-->--'''Douglas Trumble''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville8-ep10 on]] ''Smallville'' ("Bride")

->Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead'... Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.\\\
The cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point.

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->Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[StrangledByTheRedString Where this came from]], I don't know... Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: ''"I have too much to live for!"''\\\
So now not only is Lex despondent and ready to become an evil man [[MoralityChain without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his reason [[SatelliteCharacter for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and worthy of being loved by EVERYONE. Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.\\\
[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful As a social commentary]], it's an embarrassing state of affairs. As a TV show premise, it's *%$@ing insane. And in this episode, it only gets worse.
-->--'''Neal Bailey''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville5-ep20 on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Fade")

->Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute Lana showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need to [[TheBusCameBack bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?\\\
Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed in a way that even [[EvenEvilHasStandards caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[RetiredMonster a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the 'bad guy'. To put her in a position where she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about [[KnowNothingKnowItAll how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and she kicks the tar out of him? Give me a break.
-->--'''Douglas Trumble''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville8-ep10 on]] ''Smallville'' ("Bride")

->Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead'... Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.\\\
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->The cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point.



->If there’s one thing in wrestling that seemingly never plays out in any positive way, it would be the infamous MYSTERY man gimmick. [[SummonBiggerFish Partner]], [[TheDreaded opponent]], [[ShockingSwerve thing coming out of an egg]], whatever, it almost always bombs.
-->--'''''{{Website/Wrestlecrap}}''''', [[http://www.wrestlecrap.com/inductions/induction-wcws-mystery-man-why-anyone-thought-this-would-be-a-good-idea-is-the-real-mystery/ "WCW’s Mystery Man – Why Anyone Thought This Would Be a Good Idea is the Real Mystery"]]



->After three films, [[Creator/GeorgeLucas Lucas]] finally got it. We only see this loathsome cunt for only [[Film/RevengeOfTheSith a brief moment or two]]. But even though his role as a funny thing for young kids is no longer useful, he's still running around the Senate doing stuff. Why isn't he working as a janitor somewhere? Y'know, [[Film/ThePhantomMenace the thing he did on Naboo]] was like ''fifteen years'' ago; you'd think the novelty would've worn off. Lucas just put him in there as a big 'fuck you' to the audience for not accepting him. It's ''good'' to show contempt for your audience.

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->After three films, [[Creator/GeorgeLucas Lucas]] finally got it. We only see this loathsome cunt for only [[Film/RevengeOfTheSith a brief moment or two]]. But even though his role as a funny thing for young kids is no longer useful, he's still running around the Senate doing stuff. Why isn't he working as a janitor somewhere? Y'know, [[Film/ThePhantomMenace the thing he did on Naboo]] was like ''fifteen years'' ago; you'd think the novelty would've worn off. Lucas just put him in there as a big 'fuck you' to the audience for not accepting him. It's ''good'' to show contempt for your audience.
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Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed in a way that even [[EvenEvilHasStandards caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the 'bad guy'. To put her in a position where she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about [[KnowNothingKnowItAll how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and she kicks the tar out of him? Give me a break.

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Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed in a way that even [[EvenEvilHasStandards caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal [[RetiredMonster a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the 'bad guy'. To put her in a position where she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about [[KnowNothingKnowItAll how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and she kicks the tar out of him? Give me a break.
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->Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?\\\
Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed [[EvenEvilHasStandards in a way that even caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the '[[TheHeavy bad guy]]'. To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and [[GodModeSue she kicks the tar out of him?]] Give me a break.

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->Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] Lana showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need to [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?\\\
Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed in a way that even [[EvenEvilHasStandards in a way that even caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the '[[TheHeavy bad guy]]'. 'bad guy'. To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about [[KnowNothingKnowItAll how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and [[GodModeSue she kicks the tar out of him?]] him? Give me a break.
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->First Zod falls in love with Lana, now Bizarro? Is Brainiac next? Hey, I have an awesome idea, Al (Gough) and Miles (Millar). Let's introduce Doomsday, but instead of being evil, he falls in love with Lana! I'm a fucking genius! I just wrote Season 8!

to:

->First Zod falls in love with Lana, now Bizarro? [[BlackHoleSue Is Brainiac next? next?]] Hey, I have an awesome idea, Al (Gough) and Miles (Millar). Let's introduce Doomsday, but instead of being evil, he falls in love with Lana! I'm a fucking genius! I just wrote Season 8!



->Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Where this came from, I don't know...]] Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: 'I have too much to live for![='=]'\\\
So now not only is Lex despondent and ready to [[MoralityChain become an evil man without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his [[SatelliteCharacter reason for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and [[PuritySue worthy of being loved by EVERYONE.]] Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.\\\

to:

->Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight [[StrangledByTheRedString Where this came from, from]], I don't know...]] know... Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: 'I ''"I have too much to live for![='=]'\\\
for!"''\\\
So now not only is Lex despondent and ready to [[MoralityChain become an evil man [[MoralityChain without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his reason [[SatelliteCharacter reason for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and [[PuritySue worthy of being loved by EVERYONE.]] EVERYONE. Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.\\\
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->''"C'mon, Lana! You're amazing!"''

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->''"C'mon, ->C'mon, Lana! You're amazing!"''amazing!



->''"First Zod falls in love with Lana, now Bizarro? Is Brainiac next? Hey, I have an awesome idea, Al ''(Gough)'' and Miles ''(Millar)''. Let's introduce Doomsday, but instead of being evil, he falls in love with Lana! I'm a fucking genius! I just wrote Season 8!"''

to:

->''"First ->First Zod falls in love with Lana, now Bizarro? Is Brainiac next? Hey, I have an awesome idea, Al ''(Gough)'' (Gough) and Miles ''(Millar)''. (Millar). Let's introduce Doomsday, but instead of being evil, he falls in love with Lana! I'm a fucking genius! I just wrote Season 8!"''8!



->''"Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Where this came from, I don't know...]] Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: 'I have too much to live for![='=]''
->''So now not only is Lex despondent and ready to [[MoralityChain become an evil man without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his [[SatelliteCharacter reason for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and [[PuritySue worthy of being loved by EVERYONE.]] Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.''
->''[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful As a social commentary]], it's an embarrassing state of affairs. As a TV show premise, it's *%$@ing insane. And in this episode, it only gets worse."''

to:

->''"Lex ->Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Where this came from, I don't know...]] Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: 'I have too much to live for![='=]''
->''So
for![='=]'\\\
So
now not only is Lex despondent and ready to [[MoralityChain become an evil man without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his [[SatelliteCharacter reason for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and [[PuritySue worthy of being loved by EVERYONE.]] Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.''
->''[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful
\\\
[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful
As a social commentary]], it's an embarrassing state of affairs. As a TV show premise, it's *%$@ing insane. And in this episode, it only gets worse."''



->''"Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?''
->''Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed [[EvenEvilHasStandards in a way that even caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the '[[TheHeavy bad guy]]'. To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and [[GodModeSue she kicks the tar out of him?]] Give me a break."''

to:

->''"Honestly.->Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?''
->''Lana
me?\\\
Lana
is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed [[EvenEvilHasStandards in a way that even caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the '[[TheHeavy bad guy]]'. To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and [[GodModeSue she kicks the tar out of him?]] Give me a break."''



->''"Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead'... Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.''
->''The cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point."''

to:

->''"Simply ->Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead'... Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.''
->''The
\\\
The
cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point."''



->''"Watching Neelix sloughing in the Captain’s chair on the Bridge is enough to make you feel nauseous. What has ''Star Trek'' come to?"''
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2012/03/voyager-seasn-two.html Doc Oho]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Initiations"

->''"If there’s one thing in wrestling that seemingly never plays out in any positive way, it would be the infamous MYSTERY man gimmick. [[DynamicEntry Partner]], [[TheDreaded opponent]], [[ShockingSwerve thing coming out of an egg]], whatever, it almost always bombs."''

to:

->''"Watching ->Watching Neelix sloughing in the Captain’s chair on the Bridge is enough to make you feel nauseous. What has ''Star Trek'' come to?"''
to?
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2012/03/voyager-seasn-two.html Doc Oho]]''' Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Initiations"

->''"If ->If there’s one thing in wrestling that seemingly never plays out in any positive way, it would be the infamous MYSTERY man gimmick. [[DynamicEntry [[SummonBiggerFish Partner]], [[TheDreaded opponent]], [[ShockingSwerve thing coming out of an egg]], whatever, it almost always bombs."''



->''"It’s always lame to try and make your audience like a character by attaching a big body count or stupid-high power levels to him, but having him kill one of the all-time awesome, classic Spider-man villains [[DroppedABridgeOnHim offhandedly at the end of a story]] that didn’t concern him, and for literally no reason at all, is fucking ridiculous and stupid. Thank God this kind of shit mostly died with the ‘90s. (I’m looking at you, Creator/JephLoeb.)"''
-->--'''''Topless Robot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories... Just From The Clone Saga"]]

->''"''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out {{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[Creator/KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]]."''

to:

->''"It’s ->It’s always lame to try and make your audience like a character by attaching a big body count or stupid-high power levels to him, but having him kill one of the all-time awesome, classic Spider-man villains [[DroppedABridgeOnHim offhandedly at the end of a story]] that didn’t concern him, and for literally no reason at all, is fucking ridiculous and stupid. Thank God this kind of shit mostly died with the ‘90s. (I’m looking at you, Creator/JephLoeb.)"''
-->--'''''Topless Robot''''',
)
-->--'''''Blog/ToplessRobot''''',
[[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories... Just From The Clone Saga"]]

->''"''Widening ->''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out {{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[Creator/KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]]."''



->''"Listen to me, Creator/HideoKojima, you really need to face the fact that nobody seems to like [[Franchise/MetalGear Raiden]] as much as you do. I mean, no one can say you didn't do all you could; you made him a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot cyborg breakdancing ninja]], and he's ''still'' [[{{Wangst}} a little bitch.]]"''
-->--'''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''' on ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance''

->''"After three films, [[Creator/GeorgeLucas Lucas]] finally got it. We only see this loathsome cunt for only [[Film/RevengeOfTheSith a brief moment or two]]. But even though his role as a funny thing for young kids is no longer useful, he's still running around the Senate doing stuff. Why isn't he working as a janitor somewhere? Y'know, [[ThePhantomMenace the thing he did on Naboo]] was like fifteen years ago; you'd think the novelty would've worn off. Lucas just put him in there as a big 'fuck you' to the audience for not accepting him. It's ''good'' to show contempt for your audience!"''

to:

->''"Listen ->Listen to me, Creator/HideoKojima, you really need to face the fact that nobody seems to like [[Franchise/MetalGear Raiden]] Raiden as much as you do. I mean, no one can say you didn't do all you could; you made him a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot cyborg breakdancing ninja]], and he's ''still'' [[{{Wangst}} a little bitch.]]"''
-->--'''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'''
]]
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'''''
on ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance''

->''"After ->After three films, [[Creator/GeorgeLucas Lucas]] finally got it. We only see this loathsome cunt for only [[Film/RevengeOfTheSith a brief moment or two]]. But even though his role as a funny thing for young kids is no longer useful, he's still running around the Senate doing stuff. Why isn't he working as a janitor somewhere? Y'know, [[ThePhantomMenace [[Film/ThePhantomMenace the thing he did on Naboo]] was like fifteen years ''fifteen years'' ago; you'd think the novelty would've worn off. Lucas just put him in there as a big 'fuck you' to the audience for not accepting him. It's ''good'' to show contempt for your audience!"''audience.



->''"Whatever you might wanna say about George Lucas, when audiences said they didn't like Jar Jar, he dialed the character down to a few cameos throughout the rest of the films. When the Voyager producers where told the audiences didn't like Neelix, they decided to get rid of Neelix's beautiful, smart, competent ex-girlfriend and let him hang around to remind the audience how much they hate you personally"''

to:

->''"Whatever ->Whatever you might wanna say about George Lucas, when audiences said they didn't like Jar Jar, he dialed the character down to a few cameos throughout the rest of the films. When the Voyager producers where told the audiences didn't like Neelix, they decided to get rid of Neelix's beautiful, smart, competent ex-girlfriend and let him hang around to remind the audience how much they hate you personally"''personally.
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-->--'''Website/SFDebris''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "The Gift"
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-->--'''''Topless Robot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories.. Just From The Clone Saga"]]

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-->--'''''Topless Robot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php "The 13 Dumbest Spider-Man Stories..Stories... Just From The Clone Saga"]]
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->''"Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work? ...If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?''

to:

->''"Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work? ...work?... If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?''



->''"Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead' ...Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.''

to:

->''"Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead' ...dead'... Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.''
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->''"''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out {{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]]."''

to:

->''"''Widening Gyre'' has largely focused on a new vigilante in Gotham City named 'Baphomet,' who is ''so super awesome'' that he can ''totally'' take out {{the Joker}} ''all by his own self'' in a nice textbook example of bad storytelling. It’s so fanfic that the only way it could be any worse is if he ''didn’t'' turn out to be [[KevinSmith [[Creator/KevinSmith Onomatopoeia]]."''
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->''"First Zod falls in love with Lana, now Bizarro? Is Brainiac next? Hey, I have an awesome idea, Al ''(Gough)'' and Miles ''(Millar)''. Let's introduce Doomsday, but instead of being evil, he falls in love with Lana! I'm a fucking genius! I just wrote Season 8!"''
-->-- '''''Website/TelevisionWithoutPity''''' on ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', "Persona"
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->''"Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Where this came from, I don't know...]] Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: 'I have too much to live for!'\\\
So now not only is Lex despondent and ready to [[MoralityChain become an evil man without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his [[SatelliteCharacter reason for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and [[PuritySue worthy of being loved by EVERYONE.]] Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.\\\
[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful As a social commentary]], it's an embarrassing state of affairs. As a TV show premise, it's *%$@ing insane. And in this episode, it only gets worse."''

to:

->''"Lex and Lana are now apparently somehow in a relationship. [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Where this came from, I don't know...]] Lex is recovering with Lana at his side. She tells him he was brave to survive, or something to that line. He replies: 'I have too much to live for!'\\\
So
for![='=]''
->''So
now not only is Lex despondent and ready to [[MoralityChain become an evil man without Lana,]] per the Christmas episode, now she's his [[SatelliteCharacter reason for living at all]]... Someone suggested to me that they're purposefully making Lana into a villain, someone to be hated. No. They're really not. The creators of this show just honestly think that she's not being inconsistent. I kid you not. When they make a character more villainous, they comment about it in interviews. There are subtle hints, like [[PaintItBlack black clothing]] and [[KickTheDog overtly evil acts]]... They really think Lana is uncontradictory, pure, and [[PuritySue worthy of being loved by EVERYONE.]] Clark has had, what, two girlfriends? Lana has had, what, six, seven boys? And all of the others just fascinated with how wonderful she is. Even a girl started killing to be in [[EvenTheGirlsWantHer a lesbian alluding relationship]] with her.\\\
[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful
''
->''[[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful
As a social commentary]], it's an embarrassing state of affairs. As a TV show premise, it's *%$@ing insane. And in this episode, it only gets worse."''



->''"Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work? ...If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?\\\
Lana is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed [[EvenEvilHasStandards in a way that even caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the '[[TheHeavy bad guy]]'. To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and [[GodModeSue she kicks the tar out of him?]] Give me a break."''

to:

->''"Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute [[TheScrappy Lana]] showed up on screen. I mean really? Did we really need [[TheBusCameBack to bring her back?]] Have they not learned that the character just does not work? ...If I was a big ComicBook/GreenArrow fan I would be livid right now. I mean absolutely livid. Okay I am livid. I am not saying Oliver Queen was ever the beacon of hope and example of Super hero-ness as Clark Kent, but to actually write a scene where Lana Lang, of all people, lectures him about what it means to be a superhero? Are you kidding me?\\\
Lana
me?''
->''Lana
is at best a [[{{Antihero}} dark 'hero']] character using the word hero loosely. She kills, she kidnaps, she tortures, and she has plotted and schemed [[EvenEvilHasStandards in a way that even caught Lex Luthor off guard]]. She is basically what I would call [[ReformedCriminal a reformed villain]] AT BEST and honestly I think her character works better as a villain. Maybe a tragic villain but still the '[[TheHeavy bad guy]]'. To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a ''Green Arrow'' comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[TheScream Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and [[GodModeSue she kicks the tar out of him?]] Give me a break."''



->''"Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead' ...Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.\\\
The cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point."''

to:

->''"Simply put, it's difficult to imagine any Doctor other than [[Creator/ColinBaker (Colin) Baker's]] in this situation to begin with. It's telling that throughout the trial the Doctor's sole defense tends to be to [[NotHelpingYourCase yell about the injustice of it all]]. He never actually goes about saying any of the sensible things like 'you do realize that if I hadn't gone to Ravalox we'd probably all be dead' ...Instead he just blusters on about the Matrix being tampered with (on [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality the quite tentative grounds]] that he wouldn't do that) and objects to the entire idea of his being on trial. His reaction is defined by is egotism, and this sort of egotism is a trait unique to Baker's Doctor.\\\
The
''
->''The
cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways [[AuthorAvatar a self-portrait]] of Creator/JohnNathanTurner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself. Conceived in the afterglow of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_exhibitions Longleat]], he is a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point."''

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