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** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gotta know that!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Evry time he appears, across several books in ''Literature/Timeline191''.[[/labelnote]]
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** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gotta know that!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Evry Every time he appears, across several books in ''Literature/Timeline191''.[[/labelnote]]
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** ''Series/AncientAliens'', [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld dirigibles]], overuse of [=Me262=]'s in [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory Nazi victory]] scenarios, and other mainstays of Alternate History media. Once after mentioning one of them Matt {{lampshaded}} this by saying that they got their bases covered for the episode.
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** ''Series/AncientAliens'', [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld dirigibles]], overuse of [=Me262=]'s in [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory Nazi victory]] scenarios, and other mainstays of Alternate History media. Once after mentioning one of them Matt Max {{lampshaded}} this by saying that they got their bases covered for the episode.
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*** A [[BalefulPolymorph shapeshifter]] messing with and playing both sides of the Civil War.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Creator/StephenLang played Union commander George E. Pickett in ''Film/{{Gettysburg}}'' and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson in ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''. The two were played by different people in the other movies, leading to noticeable {{Other Darrin}}s.[[/labelnote]]
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*** A [[BalefulPolymorph shapeshifter]] shapeshifter messing with and playing both sides of the Civil War.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Creator/StephenLang played Union commander George E. Pickett in ''Film/{{Gettysburg}}'' and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson in ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''. The two were played by different people in the other movies, leading to noticeable {{Other Darrin}}s.[[/labelnote]]
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Critiqued when actual history is being (supposedly) presented. The Creator/SpikeTV Alternate History Special is the most prominent example, going from the small details ([[AnachronismStew misplaced weapons]] and racially integrated units on [[StormingTheBeaches the beaches of Normandy]]), to the dunderheaded misunderstanding of the capabilities of the Nazi nuclear programme and the [[StupidJetpackHitler overhyping]] of certain technologies that shall go unnamed[[note]]It's the [=Me262=], ok.[[/note]].
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Critiqued when actual history is being (supposedly) presented. The Creator/SpikeTV Alternate History Special is the most prominent example, going from the small details ([[AnachronismStew misplaced weapons]] and racially integrated units on [[StormingTheBeaches the beaches of Normandy]]), to the dunderheaded misunderstanding of the capabilities of the Nazi nuclear programme and the [[StupidJetpackHitler overhyping]] of certain technologies that shall go unnamed[[note]]It's unnamed.[[note]]It's the [=Me262=], ok.[[/note]].[[/note]]
* ChildhoodFriends: Matt and Max have known each other since before college.
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--> '''Matt:''' ''Because you're on ''[[TitleDrop Talkernate History]]'', Max.''''
** Similarly, after talking about the meaning of UsefulNotes/{{Paraguay}}'s capital city's name:
--> '''Matt:''' ''Trivia day, guys!''
** Similarly, after talking about the meaning of UsefulNotes/{{Paraguay}}'s capital city's name:
--> '''Matt:''' ''Trivia day, guys!''
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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: The ''Deep Blue Fleet'' episode is the only one hosted exclusively by Max, as Matt was out of town. He spent the episode summarizing the plot of the ([[NoExportForYou untranslated]]) anime and highlighting its inacuracies, NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of {{Historical Domain Character}}s, and blatant pro-UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan revisionism.
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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: The ''Deep Blue Fleet'' episode is the only one hosted exclusively by Max, as Matt was out of town. He spent the episode summarizing the plot of the ([[NoExportForYou untranslated]]) anime and highlighting its inacuracies, inaccuracies, NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of {{Historical Domain Character}}s, and blatant pro-UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan revisionism.
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** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gotta know!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Always, across several books.[[/labelnote]]
** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gotta know!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Always, across several books.[[/labelnote]]
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*** A [[BalefulPolymorph shapeshifter]] messing with and playing both sides of the Civil War.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Creator/StephenLang played Union commander George E. Pickett in ''Film/{{Gettysburg}}'' and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson in ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''. The two were played by different people in the other movies, leading to noticeable {{Other Darrin}}s.[[/labelnote]]
** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gottaknow!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One know that!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Always, Evry time he appears, across several books.books in ''Literature/Timeline191''.[[/labelnote]]
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** Jewish Ho Chi Minh.Minh (Ho Chi Mensch).[[labelnote:Explanation]]A short story in one of the compilations was about a UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan who converted himself and his Empire to Judaism. This was extended to other historical figures by Max, as they both agreed it was an absurd (but [[RefugeInAudacity entertaining]]) premise.[[/labelnote]]
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** AncientAliens, Creator/TheHistoryChannel having abdicated its responsibilities and plunged into inanities and nonsense (see below).
** ''Series/AncientAliens'', [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld dirigibles]], overuse of [=Me262=]'s in [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory Nazi victory]] scenarios, and other mainstays of Alternate Historymedia.media. Once after mentioning one of them Matt {{lampshaded}} this by saying that they got their bases covered for the episode.
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--> ''"'''Matt:''' What's ''''Matt:''' ''What's your bureaucracy gonna look like? What's your command and control structure gonna look like? What sort of currency are you using? What's gonna be your official language? How are you gonna operate this? How are you gonna make sure everyone toes the line all the time?"''
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Matt insists that Creator/ShaquilleONeal's character in ''Film/{{Kazaam}}'' is a psychopathic monster who crushes people into basketballs.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[invoked]]AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: {{Parodied}}: Matt insists that Creator/ShaquilleONeal's character in ''Film/{{Kazaam}}'' is a psychopathic monster who crushes people into basketballs.
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->''"Hello, and welcome, to Talkernate History! The podcast where we,"''\\
''"Matt,"''\\
''"And Max, talk about works of alternate history, alternate history scenarios and history in general."''
'''''Talkernate History''''' is an [[IrregularSeries irregular]] AlternateHistory Podcast hosted by friends Matt and Max.
The two hosts spend each episode having a long, freeform discussion on topics relating to general Alternate History (e.g. ''German Victory in [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI WW1]]'', ''[[UsefulNotes/ColdWar Cold War Hot]]'', ''Bad Alternate History''), specific AH media (''Series/TheManInTheHighCastle'', ''Series/{{Sliders}}'', ''Literature/HowFewRemain'', ''[[VideoGame/KaiserreichLegacyOfTheWeltkrieg Kaiserreich]]'', ''Deep Blue Fleet'', [[AudienceParticipation user-submitted stories]] and others), or regular history (the UsefulNotes/FalklandsWar, UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar, [[UsefulNotes/TheGulfWar Desert Storm]] etc.).
The chats are lively, passionate, warm, humorous, and chock-full of tangents (to the point two entire episodes have been dedicated to ''Extended Tangents''), showcasing the creators' interest in (especially American) history, film, AH media, [[SoBadItsGood bad movies]], and general interesting trivia.
You can listen to them on [=SoundCloud=] [[https://soundcloud.com/user-824507485 here]], and also on [[https://www.youtube.com/@TalkernateHistory YouTube]], where each episode contains visual accompaniment in the form of slideshows with additional clarifications, corrections, and humour.
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!!This podcast provides examples of:
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Matt insists that Creator/ShaquilleONeal's character in ''Film/{{Kazaam}}'' is a psychopathic monster who crushes people into basketballs.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Critiqued when actual history is being (supposedly) presented. The Creator/SpikeTV Alternate History Special is the most prominent example, going from the small details ([[AnachronismStew misplaced weapons]] and racially integrated units on [[StormingTheBeaches the beaches of Normandy]]), to the dunderheaded misunderstanding of the capabilities of the Nazi nuclear programme and the [[StupidJetpackHitler overhyping]] of certain technologies that shall go unnamed[[note]]It's the [=Me262=], ok.[[/note]].
* {{Backstory}}: Matt and especially Max sometimes explain how they stumbled upon a piece of media, like a book with a [[CoversAlwaysLie ridiculous cover]], or one of their previous discussions of the topic at hand.
* BerserkButton: Nonsensical historical revisionism.
** Also, general historical illiteracy and incompetence of writers and educators.
* {{Deconstruction}}: Often happens with blatantly unrealistic and stupid AH scenarios, accompanied by prodigious two-pronged [[DeadpanSnarker snark]] and exasperation. Most prominently seen in the Creator/SpikeTv Alternate History Special, ''Deep Blue Fleet'' and ''Film/WildWildWest'' episodes.
* EpicMovie: The DirectorsCut of ''Film/GodsAndGenerals ''is the one {{discussed}}, and its excessive length and padding (especially the maligned and cut UsefulNotes/JohnWilkesBooth scenes) are frequently criticised and made fun of.
* [[invoked]]EpilepticTrees: Matt believes ''Film/GoodBurger'' to be an allegory for America's treatment of the mentally disabled.
* IrregularSeries: Even with months-old gaps between episodes, the series had uploaded steadily for more than a decade.
* LampshadeHanging: Their tendency to run off on long tangents is occasionally highlighted, to be reined in and the main discussion to be brought back on track. Occasionally there is a [[ExaggeratedTrope lampshade on the lampshade]], where the particularly interesting tangent is consciously continued for a bit longer.
** After correcting Max by saying that Patton's birthplace is in California, Max asks himself "Why do I know this?". Matt replies:
--> ''Because you're on ''[[TitleDrop Talkernate History]]'', Max.''
* LongRunners: The first episode, on the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, was posted on the 25th of January 2014. The podcast has continued, posting irregularly, since.
* LostCommonKnowledge: Lamented regarding [[GreatBigLibraryOfEverything the Library of Alexandria]] and various other historical works that have been [[LostMedia lost to time]].
** Also {{discussed}} regarding the lack of sources for Ancient events as opposed to modern ones (the few available being [[AuthorTract grossly biased]]). [[UsefulNotes/ByzantineEmpire Emperor Justinian's]] court historian, Procopius, and his insane ''Secret History'' is brought up as an example of a sole biased work having the potential to colour the entire world's perception of a historical individual in a negative manner.
* MaliciousMisnaming: President [[UsefulNotes/RutherfordBHayes Ruther]]''[[UsefulNotes/RutherfordBHayes fraud]]'' [[UsefulNotes/RutherfordBHayes Hayes]] (referencing the Corrupt Bargain that let him become President after a deadlock in exchange for ending Reconstruction), though in jest.
* PetPeeveTrope: Both Matt and Max reflexively dislike fantasy (magic especially) and certain science-fiction elements (like PsychicPowers, {{Steampunk}} in general, and AlienSpaceBats) in their Alternate History, and will gloss over stories or episodes featuring them. Sometimes it's just a matter of taste, but sometimes they argue the inclusions of such elements turns a work into something stupid for seemingly no reason.
* PunBasedTitle: They talk, and it's Alternate History: '''''Talk'''ernate'' History!
* RealityIsUnrealistic: They discuss how there were spectators picnicking near the first Battle of Bull Run, as they assumed it would be the only battle of the Civil War, and how this was not included in American Civil War movies - it would have seemed too ridiculous to the audience.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot: The ''Deep Blue Fleet'' episode is the only one hosted exclusively by Max, as Matt was out of town. He spent the episode summarizing the plot of the ([[NoExportForYou untranslated]]) anime and highlighting its inacuracies, NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of {{Historical Domain Character}}s, and blatant pro-UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan revisionism.
* [[invoked]]RootingForTheEmpire: Matt admitted that he rooted for the humans in ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' because [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman he's not a "big blue alien"]].
* RousingSpeech: Mocked in every instance in ''Gods and Generals''.
* RunningGag: Several have accumulated over the years:
** Both creators being UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar buffs, there are topics which always come up when the conflict is discussed:
*** Stonewall Jackson's weirdness and awkwardness: [[TrademarkFavoriteFood his love of lemons]], the fact his students hated him, and his hypochondria (for instance, sitting ram-rod straight on a chair so his organs wouldn't come out of alignment).
*** ''Literature/TheGunsOfTheSouth'' is always mentioned, sometimes being treated as historical fact.
*** A [[BalefulPolymorph shapeshifter]] messing with and playing both sides of the Civil War.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Creator/StephenLang played Union commander George E. Pickett in ''Film/{{Gettysburg}}'' and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson in ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''.[[/labelnote]]
** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gotta know!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Always, across several books.[[/labelnote]]
** Creator/GeorgeCScott having replaced the historical UsefulNotes/GeorgeSPatton as the ''real'' Patton in people's mind.
** Calling a bad movie a "joint", referencing the {{Tagline}} "a Creator/SpikeLee joint".
** The Teapot Dome Scandal: initially mentioned as an important but thoroughly forgotten and irrelevant scandal of UsefulNotes/TheRoaringTwenties, jokes about its insignificance kept popping up, culminating in an episode dedicated to the event and era surrounding it.
*** "Our boy" [[UsefulNotes/WarrenGHarding Warren]] ''[[UsefulNotes/WarrenGHarding Gamaliel]]'' [[UsefulNotes/WarrenGHarding Harding]]'s [[TheHedonist rampant infidelity and drunkenness]], general incompetence, and [[CorruptPolitician obliviousness and support for his subordinates' shady dealings]] (especially Albert Bacon Fall, the only person convicted for the above).
** Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis having sent Max's grandfather a fruit basket.
** [[AffectionateNickname S&M]] [[Creator/SMStirling Stirling]]'s love of [[ExpandedStatesOfAmerica giant Americas]], UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, steam engines, and [[GirlOnGirlIsHot lesbian sex and kickboxing]] (also his [[OldShame refusal to speak about]] ''Literature/TheDraka'' books).
** Jewish Ho Chi Minh.
** ''WHO - IS - '''DEADLIEST?'''''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A reference to the ridiculous and [[TestosteronePoisoning bombastic]] series ''Series/DeadliestWarrior'', brought up when a joke about a duel or fight between unlikely people appears.[[/labelnote]]
*** UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton "[[BoomHeadshot getting his whig split]]".
** ''[[WorkInfoTitle What if Constant Rebecque Had Obeyed Wellington's Order of 7 pm, 15 June 1815, and Abandoned Quatre Bras?]]''[[labelnote:Explanation]]The title of a short story. Used to mock overly intricate and [[ButterflyOfDoom minutiae-driven]] AH works, with hints of SelfDeprecation.[[/labelnote]]
** AncientAliens, [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld dirigibles]], overuse of [=Me262=]'s in [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory Nazi victory]] scenarios, and other mainstays of Alternate History media.
* [[invoked]]ShoutOut: To various historical books and documentaries.
** [[ProductPlacement Throat Discs are very good]] (not paid).
* ShownTheirWork: Relevant books about historical and military matters are bought up when appropriate (often in the form of "I've been reading..."). The entire bibliography for the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar episode is even presented.
** Dates and places of birth of important (and less so) people, as well as details of important military actions, are treated as [[GeniusBonus common knowledge]].
* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Both Matt and Max fall firmly on the Hard-Hard/Soft side of the spectrum in their preferences, preferring realistic (though not overly rivet-counting) works, or at least those which can maintain SuspensionOfDisbelief in spite of illogical underlying assumptions (''Series/TheManInTheHighCastle'' being, for them, a prime example of Soft AH done right). While they do enjoy occasional wackiness, blatant nonsense or SF/fantasy elements are a pet-peeve of theirs (see PetPeeveTrope).
* TakeOverTheWorld: Thoroughly {{deconstructed}} in the ''Film/WildWildWest'' episode.
--> ''"'''Matt:''' What's your bureaucracy gonna look like? What's your command and control structure gonna look like? What sort of currency are you using? What's gonna be your official language? How are you gonna operate this? How are you gonna make sure everyone toes the line all the time?"''
* TakeThat: Jokes about real people:
** Max used to cut funny Franchise/{{Garfield}} comics from newspapers and put them in a scrapbook. Matt remarked that it's empty.
** A story mentioned Maynard Keynes being killed. Matt jokes:
--> ''"This short story was brought to you by Thomas Sowell."''
* [[invoked]]ValuesDissonance: The movie ''Film/SoulMan'' is frequently brought up for its absurd premise and use of {{Blackface}}.
** {{Discussed}} regarding the overly-sympathetic portrayal of the Confederacy in ''Gods and Generals''.
* TruthInTelevision: Mentioned when a strange portion of an (allo)historical work is shown to be [[AluminumChristmasTrees accurate]], like the {{Non Uniform Uniform}}s of Civil War soldiers in ''Gods and Generals''.
* WarIsHell: An important point and deconstructive prong brought up whenever a major war is discussed, like the [=WW1=]-like trench warfare conditions during the Italian Campaign in [=WW2=].
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-> ''"This is Matt, signing off."''\\
''"This is Max, signing off."''\\
''"Have a good day, guys!"''
''"Matt,"''\\
''"And Max, talk about works of alternate history, alternate history scenarios and history in general."''
'''''Talkernate History''''' is an [[IrregularSeries irregular]] AlternateHistory Podcast hosted by friends Matt and Max.
The two hosts spend each episode having a long, freeform discussion on topics relating to general Alternate History (e.g. ''German Victory in [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI WW1]]'', ''[[UsefulNotes/ColdWar Cold War Hot]]'', ''Bad Alternate History''), specific AH media (''Series/TheManInTheHighCastle'', ''Series/{{Sliders}}'', ''Literature/HowFewRemain'', ''[[VideoGame/KaiserreichLegacyOfTheWeltkrieg Kaiserreich]]'', ''Deep Blue Fleet'', [[AudienceParticipation user-submitted stories]] and others), or regular history (the UsefulNotes/FalklandsWar, UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar, [[UsefulNotes/TheGulfWar Desert Storm]] etc.).
The chats are lively, passionate, warm, humorous, and chock-full of tangents (to the point two entire episodes have been dedicated to ''Extended Tangents''), showcasing the creators' interest in (especially American) history, film, AH media, [[SoBadItsGood bad movies]], and general interesting trivia.
You can listen to them on [=SoundCloud=] [[https://soundcloud.com/user-824507485 here]], and also on [[https://www.youtube.com/@TalkernateHistory YouTube]], where each episode contains visual accompaniment in the form of slideshows with additional clarifications, corrections, and humour.
----
!!This podcast provides examples of:
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Matt insists that Creator/ShaquilleONeal's character in ''Film/{{Kazaam}}'' is a psychopathic monster who crushes people into basketballs.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Critiqued when actual history is being (supposedly) presented. The Creator/SpikeTV Alternate History Special is the most prominent example, going from the small details ([[AnachronismStew misplaced weapons]] and racially integrated units on [[StormingTheBeaches the beaches of Normandy]]), to the dunderheaded misunderstanding of the capabilities of the Nazi nuclear programme and the [[StupidJetpackHitler overhyping]] of certain technologies that shall go unnamed[[note]]It's the [=Me262=], ok.[[/note]].
* {{Backstory}}: Matt and especially Max sometimes explain how they stumbled upon a piece of media, like a book with a [[CoversAlwaysLie ridiculous cover]], or one of their previous discussions of the topic at hand.
* BerserkButton: Nonsensical historical revisionism.
** Also, general historical illiteracy and incompetence of writers and educators.
* {{Deconstruction}}: Often happens with blatantly unrealistic and stupid AH scenarios, accompanied by prodigious two-pronged [[DeadpanSnarker snark]] and exasperation. Most prominently seen in the Creator/SpikeTv Alternate History Special, ''Deep Blue Fleet'' and ''Film/WildWildWest'' episodes.
* EpicMovie: The DirectorsCut of ''Film/GodsAndGenerals ''is the one {{discussed}}, and its excessive length and padding (especially the maligned and cut UsefulNotes/JohnWilkesBooth scenes) are frequently criticised and made fun of.
* [[invoked]]EpilepticTrees: Matt believes ''Film/GoodBurger'' to be an allegory for America's treatment of the mentally disabled.
* IrregularSeries: Even with months-old gaps between episodes, the series had uploaded steadily for more than a decade.
* LampshadeHanging: Their tendency to run off on long tangents is occasionally highlighted, to be reined in and the main discussion to be brought back on track. Occasionally there is a [[ExaggeratedTrope lampshade on the lampshade]], where the particularly interesting tangent is consciously continued for a bit longer.
** After correcting Max by saying that Patton's birthplace is in California, Max asks himself "Why do I know this?". Matt replies:
--> ''Because you're on ''[[TitleDrop Talkernate History]]'', Max.''
* LongRunners: The first episode, on the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, was posted on the 25th of January 2014. The podcast has continued, posting irregularly, since.
* LostCommonKnowledge: Lamented regarding [[GreatBigLibraryOfEverything the Library of Alexandria]] and various other historical works that have been [[LostMedia lost to time]].
** Also {{discussed}} regarding the lack of sources for Ancient events as opposed to modern ones (the few available being [[AuthorTract grossly biased]]). [[UsefulNotes/ByzantineEmpire Emperor Justinian's]] court historian, Procopius, and his insane ''Secret History'' is brought up as an example of a sole biased work having the potential to colour the entire world's perception of a historical individual in a negative manner.
* MaliciousMisnaming: President [[UsefulNotes/RutherfordBHayes Ruther]]''[[UsefulNotes/RutherfordBHayes fraud]]'' [[UsefulNotes/RutherfordBHayes Hayes]] (referencing the Corrupt Bargain that let him become President after a deadlock in exchange for ending Reconstruction), though in jest.
* PetPeeveTrope: Both Matt and Max reflexively dislike fantasy (magic especially) and certain science-fiction elements (like PsychicPowers, {{Steampunk}} in general, and AlienSpaceBats) in their Alternate History, and will gloss over stories or episodes featuring them. Sometimes it's just a matter of taste, but sometimes they argue the inclusions of such elements turns a work into something stupid for seemingly no reason.
* PunBasedTitle: They talk, and it's Alternate History: '''''Talk'''ernate'' History!
* RealityIsUnrealistic: They discuss how there were spectators picnicking near the first Battle of Bull Run, as they assumed it would be the only battle of the Civil War, and how this was not included in American Civil War movies - it would have seemed too ridiculous to the audience.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot: The ''Deep Blue Fleet'' episode is the only one hosted exclusively by Max, as Matt was out of town. He spent the episode summarizing the plot of the ([[NoExportForYou untranslated]]) anime and highlighting its inacuracies, NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of {{Historical Domain Character}}s, and blatant pro-UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan revisionism.
* [[invoked]]RootingForTheEmpire: Matt admitted that he rooted for the humans in ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' because [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman he's not a "big blue alien"]].
* RousingSpeech: Mocked in every instance in ''Gods and Generals''.
* RunningGag: Several have accumulated over the years:
** Both creators being UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar buffs, there are topics which always come up when the conflict is discussed:
*** Stonewall Jackson's weirdness and awkwardness: [[TrademarkFavoriteFood his love of lemons]], the fact his students hated him, and his hypochondria (for instance, sitting ram-rod straight on a chair so his organs wouldn't come out of alignment).
*** ''Literature/TheGunsOfTheSouth'' is always mentioned, sometimes being treated as historical fact.
*** A [[BalefulPolymorph shapeshifter]] messing with and playing both sides of the Civil War.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Creator/StephenLang played Union commander George E. Pickett in ''Film/{{Gettysburg}}'' and Confederate General Stonewall Jackson in ''Film/GodsAndGenerals''.[[/labelnote]]
** "This man's skin is very fair, and it sunburns easily. The readers gotta know!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]One of Creator/HarryTurtledove's characters is constantly mentioned using Zinc oxide for his ailment. Always, across several books.[[/labelnote]]
** Creator/GeorgeCScott having replaced the historical UsefulNotes/GeorgeSPatton as the ''real'' Patton in people's mind.
** Calling a bad movie a "joint", referencing the {{Tagline}} "a Creator/SpikeLee joint".
** The Teapot Dome Scandal: initially mentioned as an important but thoroughly forgotten and irrelevant scandal of UsefulNotes/TheRoaringTwenties, jokes about its insignificance kept popping up, culminating in an episode dedicated to the event and era surrounding it.
*** "Our boy" [[UsefulNotes/WarrenGHarding Warren]] ''[[UsefulNotes/WarrenGHarding Gamaliel]]'' [[UsefulNotes/WarrenGHarding Harding]]'s [[TheHedonist rampant infidelity and drunkenness]], general incompetence, and [[CorruptPolitician obliviousness and support for his subordinates' shady dealings]] (especially Albert Bacon Fall, the only person convicted for the above).
** Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis having sent Max's grandfather a fruit basket.
** [[AffectionateNickname S&M]] [[Creator/SMStirling Stirling]]'s love of [[ExpandedStatesOfAmerica giant Americas]], UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, steam engines, and [[GirlOnGirlIsHot lesbian sex and kickboxing]] (also his [[OldShame refusal to speak about]] ''Literature/TheDraka'' books).
** Jewish Ho Chi Minh.
** ''WHO - IS - '''DEADLIEST?'''''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A reference to the ridiculous and [[TestosteronePoisoning bombastic]] series ''Series/DeadliestWarrior'', brought up when a joke about a duel or fight between unlikely people appears.[[/labelnote]]
*** UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton "[[BoomHeadshot getting his whig split]]".
** ''[[WorkInfoTitle What if Constant Rebecque Had Obeyed Wellington's Order of 7 pm, 15 June 1815, and Abandoned Quatre Bras?]]''[[labelnote:Explanation]]The title of a short story. Used to mock overly intricate and [[ButterflyOfDoom minutiae-driven]] AH works, with hints of SelfDeprecation.[[/labelnote]]
** AncientAliens, [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld dirigibles]], overuse of [=Me262=]'s in [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory Nazi victory]] scenarios, and other mainstays of Alternate History media.
* [[invoked]]ShoutOut: To various historical books and documentaries.
** [[ProductPlacement Throat Discs are very good]] (not paid).
* ShownTheirWork: Relevant books about historical and military matters are bought up when appropriate (often in the form of "I've been reading..."). The entire bibliography for the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar episode is even presented.
** Dates and places of birth of important (and less so) people, as well as details of important military actions, are treated as [[GeniusBonus common knowledge]].
* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Both Matt and Max fall firmly on the Hard-Hard/Soft side of the spectrum in their preferences, preferring realistic (though not overly rivet-counting) works, or at least those which can maintain SuspensionOfDisbelief in spite of illogical underlying assumptions (''Series/TheManInTheHighCastle'' being, for them, a prime example of Soft AH done right). While they do enjoy occasional wackiness, blatant nonsense or SF/fantasy elements are a pet-peeve of theirs (see PetPeeveTrope).
* TakeOverTheWorld: Thoroughly {{deconstructed}} in the ''Film/WildWildWest'' episode.
--> ''"'''Matt:''' What's your bureaucracy gonna look like? What's your command and control structure gonna look like? What sort of currency are you using? What's gonna be your official language? How are you gonna operate this? How are you gonna make sure everyone toes the line all the time?"''
* TakeThat: Jokes about real people:
** Max used to cut funny Franchise/{{Garfield}} comics from newspapers and put them in a scrapbook. Matt remarked that it's empty.
** A story mentioned Maynard Keynes being killed. Matt jokes:
--> ''"This short story was brought to you by Thomas Sowell."''
* [[invoked]]ValuesDissonance: The movie ''Film/SoulMan'' is frequently brought up for its absurd premise and use of {{Blackface}}.
** {{Discussed}} regarding the overly-sympathetic portrayal of the Confederacy in ''Gods and Generals''.
* TruthInTelevision: Mentioned when a strange portion of an (allo)historical work is shown to be [[AluminumChristmasTrees accurate]], like the {{Non Uniform Uniform}}s of Civil War soldiers in ''Gods and Generals''.
* WarIsHell: An important point and deconstructive prong brought up whenever a major war is discussed, like the [=WW1=]-like trench warfare conditions during the Italian Campaign in [=WW2=].
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-> ''"This is Matt, signing off."''\\
''"This is Max, signing off."''\\
''"Have a good day, guys!"''
