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** [''Alice, [[TranquilFury mildly angry]], to Men-Tor'']] "You ''[[UnbuiltTrope do]]'' know that when Miyagi refused to explain to Daniel what the hell were his duties for, Daniel almost pulled a RageQuit on the dude, don't you?"
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** [''Alice, [[TranquilFury mildly angry]], to Men-Tor'']] Men-Tor''] "You ''[[UnbuiltTrope do]]'' know that when Miyagi refused to explain to Daniel what the hell were his duties for, Daniel almost pulled a RageQuit on the dude, don't you?"
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* '''Discussed''': "That whole car-washing thing is crazy, but it works!"
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* '''Discussed''': '''Discussed''':
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** [''Alice, [[TranquilFury mildly angry]], to Men-Tor'']] "You ''[[UnbuiltTrope do]]'' know that when Miyagi refused to explain to Daniel what the hell were his duties for, Daniel almost pulled a RageQuit on the dude, don't you?"
** "That whole car-washing thing is crazy, but it
** [''Alice, [[TranquilFury mildly angry]], to Men-Tor'']] "You ''[[UnbuiltTrope do]]'' know that when Miyagi refused to explain to Daniel what the hell were his duties for, Daniel almost pulled a RageQuit on the dude, don't you?"
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** Alice walked four miles to get to and from the store, the way back carrying an additional 20 pounds of groceries. Not bad for leg day.
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** Alice is [[MoochingMaster exploited by Men-Tor as a source of free labor]] as she's too naive to see that her "training" is useless.
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** Alice is [[MoochingMaster exploited by Men-Tor as a source of free labor]] as she's too naive naïve to see that her "training" is useless.
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** Alice spends months training by doing menial tasks for her mentor, but when she puts her "moves" to use in an actual fight, RealityEnsues and she promptly gets her ass handed to her. It turns out that chores should in no way substitute for traditional, more direct, training methods.
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** Alice spends months training by doing menial tasks for her mentor, but when she puts her "moves" to use in an actual fight, RealityEnsues SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome and she promptly gets her ass handed to her. It turns out that chores should in no way substitute for traditional, more direct, training methods.
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** This is done out of necessity, as Men-Tor is too dirt-poor to afford proper equipment and Alice is too young to earn enough money to do so.
** Men-Tor's mentor taught him that way and therefore it's the only way he knows how to teach.
** Men-Tor had a injury that prevents him from fully teaching Alice how to fight, so he has to get creative. Besides, he also has a hard time doing the chores himself as well.
** Men-Tor's mentor taught him that way and therefore it's the only way he knows how to teach.
** Men-Tor had a injury that prevents him from fully teaching Alice how to fight, so he has to get creative. Besides, he also has a hard time doing the chores himself as well.
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** Men-Tor's training is just a bunch of chores that are not actually supposed to help her become stronger; but when the battle comes, Alice puts what she's learned from this "training" to use and it actually helps her win.
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** Men-Tor's training is just a bunch of chores that are not actually supposed to help her become stronger; but when the battle comes, Alice [[MartialArtsAndCrafts puts what she's learned from this "training" "training"]] to use and it actually helps her win.
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* '''Defied''': Alice straight-up refuses to do Men-Tor's errands until he explains his training.
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** Alice straight-up refuses to do Men-Tor's errands until he explains histraining.training.
** Men-Tor scoffs at those stupid movies and makes sure to explain directly and clearly how all of his training benefits Alice.
** Alice straight-up refuses to do Men-Tor's errands until he explains his
** Men-Tor scoffs at those stupid movies and makes sure to explain directly and clearly how all of his training benefits Alice.
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** Men-Tor figures out a perfect training program that builds up Alice's skills and does his chores for him at the same time.
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* '''Downplayed''': Men-Tor needs groceries, and realizes that running is an important part of Alice's training. So he combines them into one.
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* '''Downplayed''': Men-Tor needs groceries, and realizes will occasionally send Alice on a grocery run, but bluntly explains that running it is an important part of Alice's training. So he combines them into one. for cardio.
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** When Alice confronts Men-Tor with this knowledge, he tells her that the realization ''was'' the training.
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** When Alice confronts Men-Tor with this knowledge, he tells her that the realization ''was'' was the training.
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** Alice, halfway through her run to the grocery store, realizes that Men-Tor isn't trying to build her up - he's just using her to run his errands.
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** Alice, halfway through her run to the grocery store, realizes that Men-Tor isn't trying to build her up - [[MoochingMaster he's just using her to run his errands.]]
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** Men-Tor makes up [[BlatantLies incredibly flimsy excuses excuses]] as to why the errands will help Alice.
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** Alice is exploited by Men-Tor as a source of free labor as she's too naive to see that her "training" is useless.
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** Alice is [[MoochingMaster exploited by Men-Tor as a source of free labor labor]] as she's too naive to see that her "training" is useless.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.
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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger thanever.ever.
** When asked, Men-tor refrains from riddles is up-front about the benefits of the "menial" tasks he is assigning. They are part of a student's payment, but they also build discipline and serve as a form of exercise to supplement the more conventional martial training.
** Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than
** When asked, Men-tor refrains from riddles is up-front about the benefits of the "menial" tasks he is assigning. They are part of a student's payment, but they also build discipline and serve as a form of exercise to supplement the more conventional martial training.
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* '''Justified''': Alice isn't quite ready to undergo TrainingFromHell yet, and she needs to build up her strength and teach her discipline and self-control. This is the perfect way to train her.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** Alice isn't quite ready to undergo TrainingFromHell yet, and she needs to build up her strength and teach her discipline and self-control. This is the perfect way to trainher.her.
** Some of the menial tasks are physically demanding and will build up muscle as well as any standard training regimen.
** Alice isn't quite ready to undergo TrainingFromHell yet, and she needs to build up her strength and teach her discipline and self-control. This is the perfect way to train
** Some of the menial tasks are physically demanding and will build up muscle as well as any standard training regimen.
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** Alice is exploited by Men-Tor as a source of free labor as she's too naive to see that her "training" is useless.
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* '''Double Subverted''': When Alice confronts Men-Tor with this knowledge, he tells her that the realization ''was'' the training.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
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** Men-Tor's training is just a bunch of chores that are not actually supposed to help her become stronger; but when the battle comes, Alice puts what she's learned from this "training" to use and it actually helps her win.
** When Alice confronts Men-Tor with this knowledge, he tells her that the realization ''was'' the
** Men-Tor's training is just a bunch of chores that are not actually supposed to help her become stronger; but when the battle comes, Alice puts what she's learned from this "training" to use and it actually helps her win.
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** Alice spends months training by doing menial tasks for her mentor, but when she puts her "moves" to use in an actual fight, she promptly gets her ass handed to her. It turns out that chores should in no way substitute for traditional, more direct, training methods.
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** Alice spends months training by doing menial tasks for her mentor, but when she puts her "moves" to use in an actual fight, RealityEnsues and she promptly gets her ass handed to her. It turns out that chores should in no way substitute for traditional, more direct, training methods.
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** Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Alice '''Deconstructed''':
**Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
**Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
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**Alice spends months training by doing menial tasks for her mentor, but when she puts her "moves" to use in an actual fight, she promptly gets her ass handed to her. It turns out that chores should in no way substitute for traditional, more direct, training methods.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???Men-Tor needs groceries, and realizes that running is an important part of Alice's training. So he combines them into one.
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* '''Exploited''': ???The BigBad sets up a number of old, wise, completely fraudulent mentors. Their purpose is to put any would-be heroes through this kind of "training" indefinitely, keeping them too busy to actually interfere with the BigBad's plans. Most of the heroes are just GenreSavvy enough to be expect the chores to be some kind of actual training, and never get fed up enough to quit.
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor makes up incredibly flimsy excuses as to why the errands will help Alice.
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** Men-Tor makes up incredibly flimsy excuses as to why the errands will help Alice.
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** Alice grouses about washing Men-Tor's car at first, but after it's clean, she's able to lift a mountain with one hand.
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* '''Justified''': Alice isn't quite ready to undergo TrainingFromHell yet, and she needs to build up her strength. This is the perfect way to train her.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???
* '''Justified''': Alice isn't quite ready to undergo TrainingFromHell yet, and she needs to build up herstrength.strength and teach her discipline and self-control. This is the perfect way to train her.
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** Alternatively: Men-Tor's training involves seemingly dangerous, explosive and life-threatening tasks that are actually rigged to be safe and easy.
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** Alternatively: Men-Tor's training involves seemingly dangerous, explosive and life-threatening tasks that are actually rigged to be safe and easy.
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** Alternatively: After Alice gets back from the grocery store, she asks how that's supposed to train her. Men-Tor tells her that it's payment, and wonders why she thought it was training.
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** Alternatively: After Alice gets back from the grocery store, she asks how that's supposed to train her. Men-Tor tells her that it's payment, and wonders why she thought it was training.
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor makes up incredibly flimsy excuses as to why the errands will help Alice. "How will doing your taxes help me?" "Once you do my taxes, you can...uh...defeat the evil Lord 1066!"
* '''Deconstructed''': Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.
* '''Deconstructed''': Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor makes up incredibly flimsy excuses as to why the errands will help Alice.
-->'''Alice''': "How will doing your taxes helpme?" me?"\\
'''Men-Tor''': "Once you do my taxes, youcan...will...uh... Be able to defeat the evil Lord 1066!"
* '''Deconstructed''': Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.Evil Lord's malevolent accountancy legions! They're extremely dangerous foes, believe me!"
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'''Men-Tor''': "Once you do my taxes, you
* '''Deconstructed''': Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Alice fails to see the value in the training, and subsequently quits. Since she was TheChosenOne, there's nothing stopping Emperor Evulz from taking over the world.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice, though questioning the value of the training, keeps with it and becomes stronger than ever.
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** Alice, halfway through her run to the grocery store, realizes that Men-Tor isn't trying to build her up - he's just using her to run his errands.
** Alice, halfway through her run to the grocery store, realizes that Men-Tor isn't trying to build her up - he's just using her to run his errands.
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