History PlayingWith / NeverASelfMadeWoman

8th Jun '17 11:21:32 AM AgentKyles
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* '''Conversed''': "And out of nowhere comes Maureen saying she owes it all to her father, even though her mother is standing right there! What the hell is that thing that affects Hollywood scriptwriting?? Hidden misogyny, old age, [[BigWhat OR WHAT]]?!"

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* '''Conversed''': "And out of nowhere comes Maureen saying she owes it all to her father, even though her mother is standing right there! What the hell is that thing that affects Hollywood scriptwriting?? Hidden misogyny, old age, [[SocietyMarchesOn outdated values]], [[BigWhat OR WHAT]]?!"
8th Jun '17 11:15:13 AM AgentKyles
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** Maureen is a [[WastelandElder clan diplomat, arbitrator,]] [[GrandeDame matchmaker or similar office,]] in a [[TheClan tribal society]] ''Of course'' her success comes from family. Family is her ''job.'' But she would not have had the job if she had not impressed people with her intelligence and wisdom.

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** Maureen is a [[WastelandElder clan diplomat, arbitrator,]] [[GrandeDame matchmaker or similar office,]] in a [[TheClan tribal society]] ''Of society]], so ''of course'' her success comes from family. Family is her ''job.'' But she would not have had the job if she had not impressed people with her intelligence and wisdom.



* '''Lampshaded''': "Maureen, honey, don't fool yourself. Without your dad and your man, you're pretty much useless."

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* '''Lampshaded''': "Maureen, honey, don't fool yourself. Without your dad and your man, you're pretty much useless.a nobody."



* '''Conversed''': "And out of nowhere comes Maureen saying she owes it all to her father, even though her mother is standing right. there. I hate Hollywood scriptwriting."

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* '''Conversed''': "And out of nowhere comes Maureen saying she owes it all to her father, even though her mother is standing right. there. I hate right there! What the hell is that thing that affects Hollywood scriptwriting."scriptwriting?? Hidden misogyny, old age, [[BigWhat OR WHAT]]?!"



** Maureen feels OvershadowedByAwesome by her father, and eventually quits or joins the villains in order to step out of his shadow.

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** Maureen feels OvershadowedByAwesome by her father, and eventually quits or even [[GoodGirlGoneBad joins the villains villains]] [[IJustWantToBeSpecial in order to step out of his shadow.shadow]].



** ...and then it is revealed that it's not her father who taught her but her mother.

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** ...and then it is revealed that it's not her father who taught her but [[ActionMom her mother.mother]].
8th Jun '17 10:52:20 AM AgentKyles
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** [[TheChewtoy Alice]] ''would'' be very powerful... if it weren't for her father and boyfriend, who have (intentionally or not) torpedoed her every chance of making something of herself.
* '''GenderFlipped''': Tobias, an ActionHero, honed his fighting skills and survival techniques thanks to his mother who trained him from childhood.

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** [[TheChewtoy Alice]] ''would'' be very powerful... if it weren't for her father and boyfriend, who have (intentionally ([[StayInTheKitchen intentionally]] or not) torpedoed her every chance of making something of herself.
* '''GenderFlipped''': Tobias, an ActionHero, honed his fighting skills and survival techniques thanks to his mother [[MamaBear his]] [[ActionMom mother]] who trained him from childhood.
15th Jan '16 1:45:37 PM Anddrix
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** "[[ViewersAreMorons Male viewers/readers]] [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon always feel threatened by strong female characters]]. Make Maureen's father and husband stronger and better than she is, else she will never appeal to the male audience."

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** "[[ViewersAreMorons Male viewers/readers]] "Male viewers/readers [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon always feel threatened by strong female characters]]. Make Maureen's father and husband stronger and better than she is, else she will never appeal to the male audience."
6th Jul '15 5:12:00 AM VPhantom
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* '''Justified''': Maureen comes from a culture where LineageComesFromTheFather and who usually dismisses females as second-class citizens.

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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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Maureen comes from a culture where LineageComesFromTheFather and who usually dismisses females as second-class citizens.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Maureen only became a good fighter with the help of Tobias, but Tobias is actually revealed to be [[SweetPollyOliver Tabitha]], who herself had to be trained by her father. However, Tabitha's father was only successful because he was taught by his sister...
** The male and female are skilled in different fields. They therefore rely upon each other on something they don't expertise. Thus there are momemts and prospects where this trope is played straight and subverted.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Zagged''':
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Maureen only became a good fighter with the help of Tobias, but Tobias is actually revealed to be [[SweetPollyOliver Tabitha]], who herself had to be trained by her father. However, Tabitha's father was only successful because he was taught by his sister...
** The male and female are skilled in different fields. They therefore rely upon each other on something they don't expertise. Thus there are momemts moments and prospects where this trope is played straight and subverted.
5th Jul '15 11:37:12 PM manat31790
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** The male and female are skilled in different fields. They therefore rely upon each other on something they don't expertise. Thus there are momemts and prosoects where this trope is played straight and subverted.

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** The male and female are skilled in different fields. They therefore rely upon each other on something they don't expertise. Thus there are momemts and prosoects prospects where this trope is played straight and subverted.
5th Jul '15 11:36:13 PM manat31790
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** The male and female are skilled in different fields. They therefore rely upon each other on something they don't expertise. Thus there are momemts and prosoects where this trope is played straight and subverted.
16th Jul '14 5:17:35 PM LeighSabio
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** "[[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon Male viewers/readers always feel threatened by strong female characters]]. Make Maureen's father and husband stronger and better than she is, else she will never appeal to the male audience."

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** "[[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon "[[ViewersAreMorons Male viewers/readers viewers/readers]] [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon always feel threatened by strong female characters]]. Make Maureen's father and husband stronger and better than she is, else she will never appeal to the male audience."
16th Jul '14 5:14:39 PM LeighSabio
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** Maureen followed in her father's footsteps, [[WellDoneSonGuy because she believed that he always wanted a son to follow in his footsteps, and she wanted his approval.]]
8th Apr '14 9:21:54 AM VPhantom
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* '''Deconstructed''': Because everyone believes Maureen is only a DaddysGirl with no actual skill of her own, everyone disregards her input and her skills whenever she comes up with a solution.

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
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Because everyone believes Maureen is only a DaddysGirl with no actual skill of her own, everyone disregards her input and her skills whenever she comes up with a solution.
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