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** Bob isn't screwing up anybody's plan because there was never a plan to screw up in the first place-Charlie and Alice's idea of a plan was to simply go to where the enemies were, and were planning on figuring out the details as they went along, after they got there. Bob sees the futility of this and decides that he might as well speed up the process.

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** Bob isn't screwing up anybody's plan because there was never a plan to screw up in the first place-Charlie and Alice's idea of a plan was to simply go to where the enemies were, were with only a vague idea of what to do, and were planning on figuring out the details as they went along, after they got there. Bob sees the futility of this and decides that he might as well speed up the process.
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** Bob isn't screwing up anybody's plan because there was never a plan to screw up in the first place-Charlie and Alice's idea of a plan was to simply go to where the enemy's were and sort of figure something out as they went along.

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** Bob isn't screwing up anybody's plan because there was never a plan to screw up in the first place-Charlie and Alice's idea of a plan was to simply go to where the enemy's enemies were, and were and sort of figure something planning on figuring out the details as they went along.along, after they got there. Bob sees the futility of this and decides that he might as well speed up the process.
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** Bob isn't screwing up anybody's plan because there was never a plan to screw up in the first place-Charlie and Alice's idea of a plan was to simply go to where the enemy's were and sort of figure something out as they went along.
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* '''Exploited''': General Alice is GenreSavvy and creates a battle plan that [[BatmanGambit takes into account the fact that Bob will charge blindly ahead with no regard for any plan she makes]].

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* '''Exploited''': General Alice is GenreSavvy and creates a battle plan that [[BatmanGambit takes into account the fact that Bob will charge blindly ahead with no regard for any plan she makes]].
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** Bob missed out on some details of the plan through no fault of his own and nobody took the time to inform him of what he missed, assuming someone else would.

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** Bob missed out on some details of the plan through no fault of his own [[PoorCommunicationKills and nobody took the time to inform him of what he missed, missed]], assuming someone else would.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of the plan made beforehand, causing problems for his more careful and tactical-minded allies.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of the plan made beforehand, causing problems for his their more careful and tactical-minded allies.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of the plan made beforehand.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of the plan made beforehand.beforehand, causing problems for his more careful and tactical-minded allies.
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Hey! No specific examples! Can't refer to pre-existing works in these pages! ...But we can keep the example otherwise.


** Bob attacks the entire enemy army armed only with a [[VideoGame/{{Mother3}} butter knife]], forgetting the combined arms assault that's due to start within minutes.

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** Bob attacks the entire enemy army armed only with a [[VideoGame/{{Mother3}} butter knife]], knife, forgetting the combined arms assault that's due to start within minutes.
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** Bob is actually BadAss enough for "AttackAttackAttack" to be a valid strategy"; they really never needed the plan.

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** Bob is actually BadAss badass enough for "AttackAttackAttack" to be a valid strategy"; they really never needed the plan.
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** Bob is AxCrazy, and just cares about killing things, rationality be damned.
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** Bob is a [[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {Samurai}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.

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** Bob is a [[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {Samurai}, {{Samurai}}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.
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** Bob is a [[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {Samuri}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.

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** Bob is a [[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {Samuri}, {Samurai}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.
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** Bob is a [[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {{Samuri}}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.

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** Bob is a [[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {{Samuri}}, {Samuri}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.
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** Bob is a viking berserker.

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** Bob is a viking berserker.[[HornyVikings Norse Berserker]], a {{Samuri}}, a [[SuicideAttack suicide bomber]], or of some other warrior class whose strategy begins and ends in a battle frenzy.
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** Bob is a viking berserker,

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** Bob is a viking berserker,berserker.
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** Bob is a viking berserker,

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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]].

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
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Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]].
** Alternatively, not only does Bob get slaughtered, but so do his teammates when they were trying to save him [[TheMillstone and the plan ultimately fails]].
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** Bob is actually BadAss enough for "AttackAttackAttack" to be a valid strategy"; they really never needed the plan.
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Not \'played realistically\' and the recon looked like a double subversion.


** Bob is itching to attack the enemy and often talks about how he longs for glory and honor in battle. When the attack starts, he follows the plan to the letter.
** Everyone but Bob realizes the plan is not going to work and wildly charges at the enemy. Bob's attempts to make sure the plan is fulfilled gets everyone killed.

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** Bob is itching to attack the enemy and often talks about how he longs for glory and honor in battle. When the attack starts, he follows the plan to the letter.
** Everyone but Bob realizes the plan ThePlan is not going to work and wildly charges at the enemy. Bob's attempts to make sure the plan is fulfilled gets everyone killed.



* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle that depicts Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].
* '''Reconstructed''': However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had he not done that, they wouldn't have had the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was still necessary to their victory.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle that depicts Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].\n
* '''Reconstructed''': However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had Bob is a distraction. By running forward and screaming his head off, he not done that, they wouldn't have had attracts attention away from the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in main force. If the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was enemy sees through this ploy and ignores him, Bob has orders to accomplish some other objective. Thanks to his charging force, his team's objective is fulfilled but Bob is still necessary to their victory."stupid as hell" for volunteering for such an assignment.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of ThePlan made beforehand.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of ThePlan the plan made beforehand.



* '''Downplayed''': Bob organizes a group of soldiers to infiltrate the enemy base but does not recognize the fact that none of the soldiers are specialists in infiltration or stealth.

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* '''Downplayed''': Bob organizes a group of soldiers to infiltrate the enemy base base, but does not doesn't recognize the fact that none of the soldiers are specialists in infiltration or stealth.



** Bob is TooDumbToLive
** Alice's plans have a habit of being far too complicated weaves that are reliant on things going precisely correct, something not at all given in actual fighting, and often becoming meaningless shortly after the battle begins. Alice may also be given to ComplexityAddiction when their side, for exmaple, outnumbers the enemy by a big margin. Plans also need a lot of time to come up with, during which time the situation on the ground may change. Bob is pulling a Leroy to try to get Alice to DontThinkFeel.



** The audience expects Bob to charge the enemy army, [[PanderingToTheBase so the writers make him do it]].
** The results of the battle were decided by fan voting even though Aerith's forces are outclassed and her leadership skill sub par. The author thought this trope would be the best way to justify Alice losing.

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** The audience expects Bob to charge the enemy army, [[PanderingToTheBase so the writers make him do it]].
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** The results of the battle were decided by fan voting even though Aerith's the enemy's forces are outclassed and her their general's leadership skill is sub par. The author thought this trope would be the best way to justify Alice losing.



* '''Reconstructed''':
** However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had he not done that, they wouldn't have had the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was still necessary to their victory.
** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.

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'''Reconstructed''': However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had he not done that, they wouldn't have had the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was still necessary to their victory.
** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.
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** Alice's plans have a habit of being far too complicated weaves that are reliant on things going precisely correct, something not at all given in actual fighting, and often becoming meaningless shortly after the battle begins. Plans also need a lot of time to come up with, during which time the situation on the ground may change. Bob is pulling a Leroy to try to get Alice to DontThinkFeel.

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** Alice's plans have a habit of being far too complicated weaves that are reliant on things going precisely correct, something not at all given in actual fighting, and often becoming meaningless shortly after the battle begins. Alice may also be given to ComplexityAddiction when their side, for exmaple, outnumbers the enemy by a big margin. Plans also need a lot of time to come up with, during which time the situation on the ground may change. Bob is pulling a Leroy to try to get Alice to DontThinkFeel.
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** Alice's plans have a habit of being far too complicated weaves that are reliant on things going precisely correct, something not at all given in actual fighting, and often becoming meaningless shortly after the battle begins. Plans also need a lot of time to come up with, during which time the situation on the ground may change. Bob is pulling a Leroy to try to get Alice to DontThinkFeel.
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* '''Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives, bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan.
* '''Double Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives, bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan. A minute later, he decides that waiting is boring and charges ahead anyway.

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* '''Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives, bob Bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan.
* '''Double Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives, bob Bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan. A minute later, he decides that waiting is boring and charges ahead anyway.

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badass would be if he could pull it off. That\'s not the case here.


'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of the plans made beforehand.
* '''Straight''': Private Bob L. Jenkins, an inexperienced new recruit, attacks the entire enemy army by himself, ignoring the well-thought out plan of attack.

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'''Basic Trope''': A character charges into battle without any thought of the plans ThePlan made beforehand.
* '''Straight''': Private Bob L. Jenkins, an inexperienced new recruit, attacks the entire enemy army by himself, ignoring ignores the well-thought out plan of attack.attack and assaults the entire enemy army by himself.



** Not only does Bob not stick to the plan, nobody even planned for Bob to be present.
* '''Downplayed''': Bob organizes a group of soldiers to infiltrate the enemy base, not recognizing the fact that none of the soldiers are specialists in infiltration or stealth.

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** Not only does Bob not stick to the plan, nobody even planned for Bob to be present.
* '''Downplayed''': Bob organizes a group of soldiers to infiltrate the enemy base, base but does not recognizing recognize the fact that none of the soldiers are specialists in infiltration or stealth.



** He's simply that {{Badass}}

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** He's simply that {{Badass}}**Bob is TooDumbToLive



** Bob is itching to attack the enemy and often talks about how he longs for glory and honor in battle. When the actual attack starts, he follows the plan to the letter.

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** Bob is itching to attack the enemy and often talks about how he longs for glory and honor in battle. When the actual attack starts, he follows the plan to the letter.



* '''Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives. Bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan.
* '''Double Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives. Bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan. A minute later, he decides that waiting is boring and charges ahead anyway.

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* '''Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives. Bob arrives, bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan.
* '''Double Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives. Bob arrives, bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan. A minute later, he decides that waiting is boring and charges ahead anyway.



* '''Zig Zagged''': ???

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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Bob rushes the enemy by himself without fear of death or any kind of plan, but this is a distraction planned out by his superiors who use his charge to get the drop on the enemy. However, Bob did not know about this plan and the 'distraction thing' was XanatosSpeedChess on the part of his superiors.



* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle, depicting Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].

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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle, depicting battle that depicts Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].



** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob actually saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.
** [[OneManArmy Bob]] [[KillEmAll Killed 'Em All.]] [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass He's]] [[CrazyEnoughToWork just that]] {{Badass}}.

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** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob actually saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.
** [[OneManArmy Bob]] [[KillEmAll Killed 'Em All.]] [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass He's]] [[CrazyEnoughToWork just that]] {{Badass}}.
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* '''Subverted''':General Alice is GenreSavvy and creates a battle plan that [[BatmanGambit takes into account the fact that Bob will charge blindly ahead with no regard for any plan she makes]].
* '''Double Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives, Alice invites him to attack the enemy by himself. Bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan. A minute later, he decides that waiting is boring and charges ahead anyway.

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* '''Subverted''':General Alice is GenreSavvy and creates a '''Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle plan arrives. Bob decides that [[BatmanGambit takes into account it's a better idea to stick to the fact that Bob will charge blindly ahead with no regard for any plan she makes]].
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* '''Double Subverted''': Bob constantly talks about how he can't wait to fight, putting him at odds with Alice. When the time for the battle arrives, Alice invites him to attack the enemy by himself.arrives. Bob decides that it's a better idea to stick to the plan. A minute later, he decides that waiting is boring and charges ahead anyway.



* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???General Alice is GenreSavvy and creates a battle plan that [[BatmanGambit takes into account the fact that Bob will charge blindly ahead with no regard for any plan she makes]].
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** He's simply that {{Badass}}
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???Bob organizes a group of soldiers to infiltrate the enemy base, not recognizing the fact that none of the soldiers are specialists in infiltration or stealth.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Bob attacks the entire enemy army armed only with a [[VideoGame/{{Mother3}} butter knife]], forgetting the combined arms assault that's due to start within minutes.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Bob attacks the entire enemy army armed only with a [[VideoGame/{{Mother3}} butter knife]], forgetting the combined arms assault that's due to start within minutes.



* '''Justified''': Bob is impatient.

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* '''Justified''': '''Downplayed''': ???
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Bob is impatient.



* '''Inverted''': Bob is itching to attack the enemy and often talks about how he longs for glory and honor in battle. When the actual attack starts, he follows the plan to the letter.
** Everyone but Bob realizes the plan is not going to work and wildly charges at the enemy. Bob's attempts to make sure the plan is fulfilled gets everyone killed.

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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
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Bob is itching to attack the enemy and often talks about how he longs for glory and honor in battle. When the actual attack starts, he follows the plan to the letter.
** Everyone but Bob realizes the plan is not going to work and wildly charges at the enemy. Bob's attempts to make sure the plan is fulfilled gets everyone killed.



* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle, depicting Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].
* '''Reconstructed''': However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had he not done that, they wouldn't have had the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was still necessary to their victory.
** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob actually saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.
** [[OneManArmy Bob]] [[KillEmAll Killed 'Em All.]] [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome He's]] [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass just that]] {{Badass}}.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle, depicting Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].
* '''Reconstructed''': However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had he not done that, they wouldn't have had the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was still necessary to their victory.
** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob actually saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.
** [[OneManArmy Bob]] [[KillEmAll Killed 'Em All.]] [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome He's]] [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass just that]] {{Badass}}.
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* '''Enforced''': The audience expects Bob to charge the enemy army, so the writers make him do it.

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The audience expects Bob to charge the enemy army, [[PanderingToTheBase so the writers make him do it.it]].



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* '''Discussed''': "Bob, stop being such a Leeroy, you're gonn mess everything up."

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* '''Discussed''': "Bob, stop being such a Leeroy, you're gonn gonna mess everything up."


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* '''Deconstructed''': Bob charges forth, ruining the plan, and gets quickly slaughtered. Despite this, [[PyrrhicVictory a victory is still managed, albeit with massive loss of life]]. However, due in part to a painting made of the battle, depicting Bob charging bravely, he goes down in history as a [[FakeUltimateHero hero and a martyr]].
* '''Reconstructed''':
** However, Bob's contemporaries later reveal that had he not done that, they wouldn't have had the drive to win what was a key battle. While he may not have been a hero in the traditional sense, Bob's sacrifice was still necessary to their victory.
** On victory they capture the enemy commander. When they first find him, he's yelling at a commander for his units panicking when it was clear they enemy wasn't sticking to the plan they had originally captured. It turns out Bob actually saved them because they had units perfectly positioned to take on the plan made by Alice. They still consider him a hero for giving his life and inflicting panic on the enemy when they would have otherwise lost the battle.
** [[OneManArmy Bob]] [[KillEmAll Killed 'Em All.]] [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass He's]] [[CrazyEnoughToWork just that]] {{Badass}}.


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** The results of the battle were decided by fan voting even though Aerith's forces are outclassed and her leadership skill sub par. The author thought this trope would be the best way to justify Alice losing.
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** Not only does Bob not stick to the plan, nobody even planned for Bob to be present.


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** Bob missed out on some details of the plan through no fault of his own and nobody took the time to inform him of what he missed, assuming someone else would.


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** Everyone but Bob realizes the plan is not going to work and wildly charges at the enemy. Bob's attempts to make sure the plan is fulfilled gets everyone killed.

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