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** Another possibility is that [[KayFabe the two are only pretending to fight to excite people or make it seem like they're angry at one another when it's really all acting]].
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** Another possibility Robert himself is a FragileSpeedster that relies on wearing down his opponent for a VictoryByEndurance.
** [[KayFabethe The two are only pretending to fight to excite people or make it seem like they're angry at one another when it's really all acting]].
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* '''Exploited''': Charles has to deliver a message, and Robert has orders to thwart him. Charles resorts to a lengthy and mobile Flynning duel with Robert, which sees him arrive at his destination and deliver the letter while still fighting.
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* '''Exploited''': '''Exploited''':
** Charles has to deliver a message, and Robert has orders to thwart him. Charles resorts to a lengthy and mobile Flynning duel with Robert, which sees him arrive at his destination and deliver the letter while stillfighting.fighting.
** Robert and Charles manage to break each others' swords, [[CombatBreakdown forcing them to engage in unarmed combat,]] something [[BareFistedMonk Robert is good at.]]
** Charles has to deliver a message, and Robert has orders to thwart him. Charles resorts to a lengthy and mobile Flynning duel with Robert, which sees him arrive at his destination and deliver the letter while still
** Robert and Charles manage to break each others' swords, [[CombatBreakdown forcing them to engage in unarmed combat,]] something [[BareFistedMonk Robert is good at.]]
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* '''Reconstructed''': Robert utilizes unorthodox swordplay techniques that takes the form of Flynning, which is made viable [[ConfusionFu by confusing his opponent]].
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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** Robert utilizes unorthodox swordplay techniques that takes the form of Flynning, which is made viable [[ConfusionFu by confusing hisopponent]].opponent]].
** Also counts as exploited, as CombatBreakdown occurs and the two begin to slug it out with GoodOldFisticuffs
** Robert utilizes unorthodox swordplay techniques that takes the form of Flynning, which is made viable [[ConfusionFu by confusing his
** Also counts as exploited, as CombatBreakdown occurs and the two begin to slug it out with GoodOldFisticuffs
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* '''Deconstructed''': Robert attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[SingleStrokeBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
* Repeatedly clashing swords damages both blades to the point where they chip and eventually break.
* Repeatedly clashing swords damages both blades to the point where they chip and eventually break.
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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
** Robert attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[SingleStrokeBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
* ** Repeatedly clashing swords damages both blades to the point where they chip and eventually break.
** Robert attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[SingleStrokeBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
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* Repeatedly clashing swords damages both blades to the point where they chip and eventually break.
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** Robert and Charles are both novices who don't really know what they're doing.
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** Robert is trying to [[NonLethalKO take Charles alive rather than kill him]], and is focused on disarming or exhausting him rather than landing a (potentially fatal) blow on him.
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** Set in the future, the laser-powered rapiers are more lethal. Thus Charles blocking Robert's attacks are actually just as important as Charles actually landing an attack on Robert.
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* '''Subverted''': Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging entirely.
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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
** Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodgingentirely.entirely.
** Robert and Charles actually ''do'' start out trying to kill each other properly, but both are fast enough and a real attack requires enough commitment of movement that, after a few nearly-disastrous first attempts, they've switched to what's essentially a war of attrition, each waiting for the other to get too tired to parry a fatal blow.
** Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging
** Robert and Charles actually ''do'' start out trying to kill each other properly, but both are fast enough and a real attack requires enough commitment of movement that, after a few nearly-disastrous first attempts, they've switched to what's essentially a war of attrition, each waiting for the other to get too tired to parry a fatal blow.
* '''Played For Laughs''': While Robert and Charles are fighting, Alice sits in the background and watches, commenting that it's the silliest thing she's ever seen. [[SoundtrackDissonance The soundtrack agrees.]]
* '''Played For Drama''': The duel between Robert and Charles is still a fight to the death, complete with close calls on both sides.
* '''Played For Drama''': The duel between Robert and Charles is still a fight to the death, complete with close calls on both sides.
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* '''Exploited''': Charles has to deliver a message, and Robert has orders to thwart him. Being GenreSavvy about the lighthearted setting, Charles resorts to a lengthy and mobile Flynning duel with Robert, which sees him arrive at his destination and deliver the letter while still fighting.
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* '''Exploited''': Charles has to deliver a message, and Robert has orders to thwart him. Being GenreSavvy about the lighthearted setting, Charles resorts to a lengthy and mobile Flynning duel with Robert, which sees him arrive at his destination and deliver the letter while still fighting.
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* '''Deconstructed''': [[WrongGenreSavvy Robert]] attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[SingleStrokeBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
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* '''Deconstructed''': [[WrongGenreSavvy Robert]] Robert attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[SingleStrokeBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
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* '''Deconstructed''': [[WrongGenreSavvy Robert]] attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[CurbStompBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
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* '''Deconstructed''': [[WrongGenreSavvy Robert]] attempts to replicate the swordplay he's read about in chivalry stories, [[TooDumbToLive only to leave himself open]] and [[CurbStompBattle [[SingleStrokeBattle get quickly slaughtered]] by the [[UsefulNotes/EuropeanSwordsmanship properly-trained]] Charles.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Robert utilizes unorthodox swordplay techniques that takes the form of Flynning, which is made viable [[ConfusionFu by confusing his opponent]].
* '''Reconstructed''': Robert utilizes unorthodox swordplay techniques that takes the form of Flynning, which is made viable [[ConfusionFu by confusing his opponent]].
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* '''Exploited''': ???Charles has to deliver a message, and Robert has orders to thwart him. Being GenreSavvy about the lighthearted setting, Charles resorts to a lengthy and mobile Flynning duel with Robert, which sees him arrive at his destination and deliver the letter while still fighting.
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* '''Invoked''': Robert and Charles, both master swordsmen in a tournament where they're unknown, flynn through their qualifying match to make everyone else underestimate them and ensure they both go on to the later battles.
* '''Exploited''': They are in a strange fencing sport which involves trying to knock your opponent's sword out of his hands by hitting ti as hard as you can. This involves a lot of swords clanging together.
* '''Exploited''': They are in a strange fencing sport which involves trying to knock your opponent's sword out of his hands by hitting ti as hard as you can. This involves a lot of swords clanging together.
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* '''Invoked''': '''Invoked''':
** Robert and Charles, both master swordsmen in a tournament where they're unknown,flynn flynning through their qualifying match to make everyone else underestimate them and ensure they both go on to the later battles.
* '''Exploited''': ** They are in a strange fencing sport which involves trying to knock your opponent's sword out of his hands by hitting ti it as hard as you can. This involves a lot of swords clanging together.together.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???Robert and Charles' blades only come into contact once or twice before one of them wins.
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* '''Double Subverted''': ???Eventually the fight carries them into confined quarters and they are forced to go blade-to-blade in an attempt to overpower each other.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Both men start of flynning until one of them is injured in which case, he keeps away until his HealingFactor can take care of the wound. He comes back and starts flynning again and is injured a second time with the same result.
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* '''Exploited''': ???They are in a strange fencing sport which involves trying to knock your opponent's sword out of his hands by hitting ti as hard as you can. This involves a lot of swords clanging together.
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"Have you noticed Robert and Charles are mostly just hitting their swords together?"
* '''Conversed''':???Two fencers complain as they watch a sword-fight in a movie.
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"Try hitting someplace ''other'' than his sword!"
* '''Invoked''':???Robert and Charles, both master swordsmen in a tournament where they're unknown, flynn through their qualifying match to make everyone else underestimate them and ensure they both go on to the later battles.
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* '''Defied''': Charles begins going through some impressive -- but nonfunctional -- flourishes with his sword. [[CombatPragmatist Robert punches him in the face]].
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* '''Defied''': Charles begins going through some impressive -- but nonfunctional -- flourishes with his sword. [[CombatPragmatist Robert punches him in the face]].face and stabs him in the gut]].
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* '''Defied''': Charles actively avoids parrying, and practices to make it difficult to parry his own attacks.
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* '''Defied''': Charles actively avoids parrying, and practices to make it difficult to parry begins going through some impressive -- but nonfunctional -- flourishes with his own attacks.sword. [[CombatPragmatist Robert punches him in the face]].
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* '''Justified''': Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
** Another possibility is that the two are only pretending to fight to excite people or make it seem like they're angry at one another when it's really all acting.
** Another possibility is that the two are only pretending to fight to excite people or make it seem like they're angry at one another when it's really all acting.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
** Another possibility is that [[KayFabe the two are only pretending to fight to excite people or make it seem like they're angry at one another when it's really allacting.acting]].
** Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
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* '''Inverted''': Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.
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* '''Inverted''': Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.SingleStrokeBattle
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'''Basic Trope:''' Most of a swordfight is made up of clashing the swords against each other.
* '''Straight:''' Robert and Charles spend most of their climactic fight parrying each other's blows, rather than striking each other.
* '''Exaggerated:''' Robert and Charles spend several hours clashing their swords with no attempt to hit the other.
* '''Justified:''' Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
* '''Inverted:''' Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.
* '''Subverted:''' Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging entirely.
* '''Parodied:'''
* '''Straight:''' Robert and Charles spend most of their climactic fight parrying each other's blows, rather than striking each other.
* '''Exaggerated:''' Robert and Charles spend several hours clashing their swords with no attempt to hit the other.
* '''Justified:''' Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
* '''Inverted:''' Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.
* '''Subverted:''' Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging entirely.
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'''Basic Trope:''' Trope''': Most of a swordfight is made up of clashing the swords against each other.
*'''Straight:''' '''Straight''': Robert and Charles spend most of their climactic fight parrying each other's blows, rather than striking each other.
*'''Exaggerated:''' '''Exaggerated''': Robert and Charles spend several hours clashing their swords with no attempt to hit the other.
*'''Justified:''' '''Downplayed''': ???
* '''Justified''': Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
*'''Inverted:''' '''Inverted''': Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.
*'''Subverted:''' '''Subverted''': Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging entirely.
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* '''Averted:''' Robert and Charles do occasionally clash swords, but it only makes up a small portion of the fight.
* '''Enforced:''' "We don't want the actors to get hurt. Just have them hit their swords against each other until the end."
* '''Defied:''' Charles actively avoids parrying, and practices to make it difficult to parry his own attacks.
* '''Reconstructed:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Robert and Charles do occasionally clash swords, but it only makes up a small portion of the fight.
* '''Enforced:''' "We don't want the actors to get hurt. Just have them hit their swords against each other until the end."
* '''Defied:''' Charles actively avoids parrying, and practices to make it difficult to parry his own attacks.
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* '''Averted:''''''Averted''': Robert and Charles do occasionally clash swords, but it only makes up a small portion of the fight.
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'''Basic Trope:''' Most of a swordfight is made up of clashing the swords against each other.
* '''Straight:''' Robert and Charles spend most of their climactic fight parrying each other's blows, rather than striking each other.
* '''Justified:''' Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
* '''Inverted:''' Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.
* '''Subverted:''' Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging entirely.
* '''Parodied:'''
** Robert's sword breaks in the middle of the fight... and he continues blocking Charles with the hilt.
** Robert's mentor explains that "if you actually hit someone in a swordfight, you're doing it wrong!"
* '''Deconstructed:''' ???
* '''Reconstructed:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Robert and Charles do occasionally clash swords, but it only makes up a small portion of the fight.
* '''Enforced:''' "We don't want the actors to get hurt. Just have them hit their swords against each other until the end."
* '''Defied:''' Charles actively avoids parrying, and practices to make it difficult to parry his own attacks.
* '''Straight:''' Robert and Charles spend most of their climactic fight parrying each other's blows, rather than striking each other.
* '''Justified:''' Charles is an ImplacableMan; Robert is focusing on parrying because a proper attack wouldn't do anything to him.
* '''Inverted:''' Neither Robert nor Charles parries during the entire fight.
* '''Subverted:''' Robert and Charles trade a few attacks, but Robert realizes he's not getting anywhere and begins focusing more on dodging entirely.
* '''Parodied:'''
** Robert's sword breaks in the middle of the fight... and he continues blocking Charles with the hilt.
** Robert's mentor explains that "if you actually hit someone in a swordfight, you're doing it wrong!"
* '''Deconstructed:''' ???
* '''Reconstructed:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Robert and Charles do occasionally clash swords, but it only makes up a small portion of the fight.
* '''Enforced:''' "We don't want the actors to get hurt. Just have them hit their swords against each other until the end."
* '''Defied:''' Charles actively avoids parrying, and practices to make it difficult to parry his own attacks.
