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** Lukas undergoes BreakTheCutie, [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth he dies]], [[FaceHeelTurn turns evil]], or [[TookALevelInJerkass becomes like Bob]].
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** Lukas undergoes BreakTheCutie, [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth he dies]], BreakTheCutie. [TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth He]] {{d|riven to suicide}}ies, [[FaceHeelTurn turns turns]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds evil]], or [[TookALevelInJerkass becomes like becomes]] [[SourOutsideSadInside like]] [[UnscrupulousHero Bob]].
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** Lukas undergoes BreakTheCutie, [[KillTheCutie he dies]], [[FaceHeelTurn turns evil]], or [[TookALevelInJerkass becomes like Bob]].
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** Lukas undergoes BreakTheCutie, [[KillTheCutie [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth he dies]], [[FaceHeelTurn turns evil]], or [[TookALevelInJerkass becomes like Bob]].
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*** ADarkerShadeOfGrey: While Evulz himself is morally gray just like Bob, it is still made perfectly clear that he’s ObviouslyEvil.
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*** ADarkerShadeOfGrey: While Evulz Bob remains a straight-up AntiHero, but [[AntiVillain Evulz]] himself is morally gray just like Bob, it isn’t a clear-cut {{villain|s}}, yet is still made perfectly clear that he’s ObviouslyEvil.portrayed as less sympathetic by the narrative and is still easy to root against.
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* '''Straight''': Evulz is a BigBad who plans on taking over Tropeville. On the other hand, there's [[TheHero Bob]], who is {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[PayEvilUntoEvil vengeful]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and sometimes [[{{Jerkass}} unfriendly]]. You [[NotSoSimilar can't really compare]] the two, however.
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* '''Straight''': Evulz {{Ev|il overlord}}ulz is a an unambiguously evil BigBad who plans on taking over Tropeville. On the other hand, there's [[TheHero Bob]], who is {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[PayEvilUntoEvil vengeful]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and sometimes [[{{Jerkass}} unfriendly]]. You [[NotSoSimilar can't really compare]] the two, however.
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** A new villain, [[AntiVillain Daniel Darkhon]], is introduced, and he is actually morally gray since he's either a KnightTemplar, AffablyEvil, an AmbiguouslyEvil villain, a NobleDemon or a mix of all 4 of these.
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** A new villain, [[AntiVillain Daniel Darkhon]], is introduced, and he is actually morally gray since he's either a KnightTemplar, AffablyEvil, an AmbiguouslyEvil villain, AmbiguouslyEvil, a NobleDemon or a mix of all 4 of these.
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** Evulz publicly [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Bob]] for being a {{hypocrite}}. He claims that Bob isn't any better than he is, and while he may be a evil man himself, Evulz still [[AtLeastIAdmitIt admits his flaws]]. As a result, Tropeville begins to view Bob as a lying, self-righteous attention-seeker.
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** Evulz publicly [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Bob]] for being a {{hypocrite}}. He claims that [[NotSoDifferentRemark Bob isn't any better than he is, is]], and while he may be a an evil man himself, Evulz [[CardCarryingVillain Evulz]] still [[AtLeastIAdmitIt admits his flaws]]. As a result, Tropeville begins to view Bob as a lying, self-righteous attention-seeker.
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** Bob admits to Tropeville that he's not a perfect man, but that doesn't automatically make him evil. He claims how even though he can act as ruthless as Evulz, he doesn't behave that way to people he doesn't even know, [[NotSoSimilar unlike]] Evulz, who hurts everyone for his own good. In the end, Bob is still a loving man who can express compassion while Evulz is a complete [[TheSociopath sociopath]].
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** Bob admits to Tropeville that he's not a perfect man, but that doesn't automatically make him evil. He claims how even though he can act as ruthless as Evulz, he doesn't behave that way to people he doesn't even know, [[NotSoSimilar unlike]] Evulz, who hurts everyone for his own good. In the end, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Bob is still a loving man who can express compassion compassion]] while Evulz is a complete [[TheSociopath sociopath]].
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* '''Played For Laughs''': [[HeroicComedicSociopath Bob]] is an {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}} who the fans still adore none the less because he stands against the villains.
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* '''Played For Laughs''': [[HeroicComedicSociopath Bob]] Laughs''':
** Bob is an {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}} who the fans still adore none the less because he stands against thevillains.villains.
** Bob is a HeroicComedicSociopath while Evulz is a LaughablyEvil {{villain|s}} who CrossesTheLineTwice.
** Bob is an {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}} who the fans still adore none the less because he stands against the
** Bob is a HeroicComedicSociopath while Evulz is a LaughablyEvil {{villain|s}} who CrossesTheLineTwice.
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** HumansAreBastards in this setting.
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** HumansAreBastards in this setting.setting, so it is possible for true {{villains}} to exist. True heroes? [[CrapsackWorld They don’t]].
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On one hand you have this page, who is a {{Jerkass}} AntiHero. On the other hand, the BlackAndGrayMorality page is a CompleteMonster at worst. Place your bets, people.
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On one hand you have this page, who is a {{Jerkass}} AntiHero. On the other hand, the BlackAndGrayMorality page is a CompleteMonster at worst. Place your bets, people.people!
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** HumansAreBastards in this setting.
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* '''Played For Laughs''': Bob is an {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}} who the fans still adore none the less because he stands against the villains.
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* '''Played For Laughs''': Bob [[HeroicComedicSociopath Bob]] is an {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}} who the fans still adore none the less because he stands against the villains.
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* '''Played For Drama''': The more Bob fights off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious he becomes]].[[note]]Can also be used as a {{deconstruction}} of this {{trope}}[[/note]]
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* '''Played For Drama''': The more Bob fights off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious he becomes]].[[note]]Can also be used as a {{deconstruction}} of this {{trope}}[[/note]]{{trope}}.[[/note]]
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* '''Played For Drama''': The more Bob fights off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious he becomes]].
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* '''Played For Drama''': The more Bob fights off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious he becomes]].[[note]]Can also be used as a {{deconstruction}} of this {{trope}}[[/note]]
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** The story takes place in a WorldOfJerkass, so a {{villain|S}} [[EvilIsPetty who is a]]{{jerkass}} would obviously be of the black morality, while a [[TheHero hero]] [[GoodIsNotNice who is also a]] {{jerkass}} would be an AntiHero, thus, of the gray morality.
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** The story takes place in a WorldOfJerkass, so a {{villain|S}} [[EvilIsPetty who is a]]{{jerkass}} a]] {{jerkass}} would obviously be of the black morality, while a [[TheHero hero]] [[GoodIsNotNice who is also a]] {{jerkass}} would be an AntiHero, thus, of the gray morality.
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** The story takes place in a WorldOfJerkass, so a {{villain|S}} who is a {{jerkass}} would obviously be of the black morality, while a [[TheHero hero]] [[GoodIsNotNice who is also a]] {{jerkass}} would be an AntiHero, thus, of the gray morality.
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** The story takes place in a WorldOfJerkass, so a {{villain|S}} [[EvilIsPetty who is a {{jerkass}} a]]{{jerkass}} would obviously be of the black morality, while a [[TheHero hero]] [[GoodIsNotNice who is also a]] {{jerkass}} would be an AntiHero, thus, of the gray morality.
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** A new villain introduced Daniel Darkhon, he is actually morally gray since he's either a KnightTemplar, AffablyEvil, an AntiVillain, a NobleDemon or a mix of all 4 of these.
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** A new villain introduced villain, [[AntiVillain Daniel Darkhon, Darkhon]], is introduced, and he is actually morally gray since he's either a KnightTemplar, AffablyEvil, an AntiVillain, AmbiguouslyEvil villain, a NobleDemon or a mix of all 4 of these.
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*** ADarkerShadeOfGrey: While Evulz himself is morally gray just like Bob, it is still made perfectly clear that he’s ObviouslyEvil.
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** A flashback reveals how Bob's [[AllLovingHero kindness]] and [[WideEyedIdealist idealism]] were free passes for the unrepentant villains to [[TheFarmerAndTheViper continue doing evil]], so he seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in making sure the villains have their justice, even if it means [[MurderIsTheBestSolution killing them]]. Bob even [[KickTheSonOfABitch rejects]] the villains who [[HeelFaceDoorSlam are truly trying to change]].
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** A flashback reveals how Bob's [[AllLovingHero kindness]] and [[WideEyedIdealist idealism]] were free passes for the unrepentant villains to [[TheFarmerAndTheViper continue doing evil]], so he seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in making sure the villains have their justice, even if it means [[MurderIsTheBestSolution killing them]]. Bob even [[KickTheSonOfABitch rejects]] {{re|Formed but rejected}}jects the villains who [[HeelFaceDoorSlam are truly trying to change]].
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** And on the top of that, [[DesignatedHero Bob]] [[NominalHero is]] {{only in it for the money}}, is ''very'' {{blood| Knight}}thirsty and violent, is {{aloof| Ally}} and [[TokenEvilTeammate sha]][[TerrorHero dy]], and shows many traits of a {{socio|Pathic hero}}[[TheSociopath path]], but ''somehow'' can be considered an {{ideal hero}} when compared to [[CompleteMonster Emperor]] [[HateSink Evulz]].
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** And on the top of that, [[DesignatedHero Bob]] [[NominalHero is]] {{only in it for the money}}, is ''very'' {{blood| Knight}}thirsty and violent, is {{aloof| Ally}} {{alo|Of ally}}[[LonersAreFreaks of]] and [[TokenEvilTeammate sha]][[TerrorHero dy]], and shows many traits of a {{socio|Pathic hero}}[[TheSociopath path]], but ''somehow'' can be considered an {{ideal hero}} when compared to [[CompleteMonster Emperor]] [[HateSink Evulz]].
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** And on the top of that, [[DesignatedHero Bob]] [[NominalHero is]] {{only in it for the money}}, is ''very'' {{blood| Knight}}thirsty and violent, is {{aloof| Ally}} and [[TokenEvilTeammate sha]][[TerrorHero dy]], and shows many traits of a {{socio|Pathic hero}}[[TheSociopath path]], but ''somehow'' can be considered an {{ideal hero}} when compared to [[CompleteMonster Emperor]] [[HateSink Evulz]].
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** Lukas undergoes BreakTheCutie. He dies, turns evil, or becomes like Bob.
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** Lukas undergoes BreakTheCutie. He dies, BreakTheCutie, [[KillTheCutie he dies]], [[FaceHeelTurn turns evil, evil]], or [[TookALevelInJerkass becomes like Bob.Bob]].
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** The story takes place in a WorldOfJerkass, so a {{villain|S}} who is a {{jerkass}} would obviously be of the black morality, while a [[TheHero hero]] [[GoodIsNotNice who is also a]] {{jerkass}} would be an AntiHero, thus, of the gray morality.
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* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write story about [[AntiHero flawed heroes]].
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* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write a story about [[AntiHero flawed heroes]].heroes]]. The author also had to have a pure villain antagonist because the AntiHero was meant to be seen as sympathetic, but that can’t be the case if the AntiHero was fighting against an AntiVillain, AKA another sympathetic person.
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** Evulz was lying.
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** [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk Evulz was lying. lying]].
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** GreyAndGrayMorality; Both Evulz and Bob have flaws and both deserve sympathy from the audience. Neither one is more good or evil.
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** GreyAndGrayMorality; Both Evulz [[AntiVillain Evulz]] and Bob [[AntiHero Bob]] have flaws and both deserve sympathy from the audience. Neither one is more good or evil.
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** ALighterShadeOfBlack: Despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more sympathetic than BigBad Evulz.
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** ALighterShadeOfBlack: Despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[AffablyEvil Bob]] [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more sympathetic than BigBad Evulz.[[FauxAffablyEvil Evulz]].
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Dewicking per TRS.
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** Bob doesn't want Tropeville to think he's NotSoDifferent to Evulz, so he [[TheFettered follows a strict moral code and avoids breaking it at all costs.]]
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** Bob doesn't want Tropeville to think he's NotSoDifferent to like Evulz, so he [[TheFettered follows a strict moral code and avoids breaking it at all costs.]]
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* '''Exploited''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] [[TheCorrupter attempts to corrupt]] the already morally-flawed [[UnscrupulousHero Bob]] to his [[WeCanRuleTogether side]] by [[BreakThemByTalking telling]] him that [[NotSoDifferent he is just as evil as Evulz]] and [[CrapsackWorld the ugliness of the world]].
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* '''Exploited''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] [[TheCorrupter attempts to corrupt]] the already morally-flawed [[UnscrupulousHero Bob]] to his [[WeCanRuleTogether side]] by [[BreakThemByTalking telling]] him that [[NotSoDifferent [[NotSoDifferentRemark he is just as evil as Evulz]] and [[CrapsackWorld the ugliness of the world]].
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** Evulz publicly [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Bob]] for being a {{hypocrite}}. He claims that Bob [[NotSoDifferent isn't any better]] than he is, and while he may be a evil man himself, Evulz still [[AtLeastIAdmitIt admits his flaws]]. As a result, Tropeville begins to view Bob as a lying, self-righteous attention-seeker.
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** Evulz publicly [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Bob]] for being a {{hypocrite}}. He claims that Bob [[NotSoDifferent isn't any better]] better than he is, and while he may be a evil man himself, Evulz still [[AtLeastIAdmitIt admits his flaws]]. As a result, Tropeville begins to view Bob as a lying, self-righteous attention-seeker.
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** EvilVsEvil: Both sides are unambiguously and equally evil.
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** EvilVsEvil: EvilVersusEvil: Both sides are unambiguously and equally evil.
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I feel like that paragraph is full of word crufting, not to mention its tone feels too loud.
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** "So you're telling me that my only two options are either being a questionable jerk and an evil asshole? You know what? ''[[TakeAThirdOption I choose]]'' '''[[TakeAThirdOption neither]]'''! [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers I'm gonna prove this bullshit cynical philosophy WRONG in its]] [[ShutUpHannibal ugly face]]! How? I'll show that this CrapsackWorld still has [[WorldHalfFull room]] for [[IdealHero real heroes]], no matter [[KnightInSourArmor jaded I get]]."
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** "So you're telling me that my only two options are either being a questionable jerk and an evil asshole? You know what? ''[[TakeAThirdOption I choose]]'' '''[[TakeAThirdOption neither]]'''! [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers I'm gonna prove this bullshit cynical philosophy WRONG in its]] a slimy bastard? [[ShutUpHannibal ugly face]]! How? Those are pretty shitty options then]]. I'll show you that there is [[AWorldHalfFull room for true heroes]] in this CrapsackWorld still has [[WorldHalfFull room]] for [[IdealHero real heroes]], no matter ugly world, [[KnightInSourArmor no matter how jaded I get]]."
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** Bob recognizes his methods and actions will not be accepted so easily by the citizens of Tropeville, which is why he lets [[TokenGoodTeammate Alice]] take control of Tropeville over him, while making it clear that if she [[FaceHeelTurn slips up and becomes as bad as Evulz]], he WILL come back for her.
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* '''Exaggerated''': ALighterShadeOfBlack, despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more sympathetic than BigBad Evulz.
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** ALighterShadeOfBlack: Despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more sympathetic than BigBadEvulz.Evulz.
** EvilVsEvil: Both sides are unambiguously and equally evil.
** ALighterShadeOfBlack: Despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more sympathetic than BigBad
** EvilVsEvil: Both sides are unambiguously and equally evil.
** ALighterShadeOfGrey: While neither side is good and both sides are sympathetic, one side still has a higher moral ground than the other.
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* '''Inverted''': WhiteAndGreyMorality; Bob is a [[IdealHero shining, pure hero]] while Evulz is a WellIntentionedExtremist at worst, but is nevertheless, redeemable.
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* '''Inverted''': WhiteAndGreyMorality; Bob is a [[IdealHero shining, pure hero]] while Evulz is a WellIntentionedExtremist at worst, but is nevertheless, redeemable.[[AntiVillain redeemable]].
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* '''Defied''': Bob doesn't want Tropeville to think he's NotSoDifferent to Evulz, so he [[TheFettered follows a strict moral code and avoids breaking it at all costs.]]
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** Bob doesn't want Tropeville to think he's NotSoDifferent to Evulz, so he [[TheFettered follows a strict moral code and avoids breaking it at all costs.]]
** "So you're telling me that my only two options are either being a questionable jerk and an evil asshole? You know what? ''[[TakeAThirdOption I choose]]'' '''[[TakeAThirdOption neither]]'''! [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers I'm gonna prove this bullshit cynical philosophy WRONG in its]] [[ShutUpHannibal ugly face]]! How? I'll show that this CrapsackWorld still has [[WorldHalfFull room]] for [[IdealHero real heroes]], no matter [[KnightInSourArmor jaded I get]]."
* '''Exploited''':???[[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] [[TheCorrupter attempts to corrupt]] the already morally-flawed [[UnscrupulousHero Bob]] to his [[WeCanRuleTogether side]] by [[BreakThemByTalking telling]] him that [[NotSoDifferent he is just as evil as Evulz]] and [[CrapsackWorld the ugliness of the world]].
** Bob doesn't want Tropeville to think he's NotSoDifferent to Evulz, so he [[TheFettered follows a strict moral code and avoids breaking it at all costs.]]
** "So you're telling me that my only two options are either being a questionable jerk and an evil asshole? You know what? ''[[TakeAThirdOption I choose]]'' '''[[TakeAThirdOption neither]]'''! [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers I'm gonna prove this bullshit cynical philosophy WRONG in its]] [[ShutUpHannibal ugly face]]! How? I'll show that this CrapsackWorld still has [[WorldHalfFull room]] for [[IdealHero real heroes]], no matter [[KnightInSourArmor jaded I get]]."
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* '''Exaggerated''': ALighterShadeOfBlack, despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more noble than BigBad Evulz.
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* '''Exaggerated''': ALighterShadeOfBlack, despite being unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more noble sympathetic than BigBad Evulz.
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* '''Exaggerated''': ALighterShadeOfBlack, despite being unambiguous unambiguously evil, Bob [[VillainProtagonist the main character ]] is still more noble than BigBad Evulz.