History PlayingWith / BlackAndGrayMorality

30th Dec '15 10:09:41 AM TalonsofIceandFire
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'''Basic Trope''': One side is morally ambiguous while the other side is clearly evil.* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.

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'''Basic Trope''': One side is morally ambiguous while the other side is clearly evil.evil.
* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.
30th Dec '15 10:09:28 AM TalonsofIceandFire
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'''Basic Trope''': The heroes are morally ambiguous whereas the villains are unquestionably evil.
* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.

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'''Basic Trope''': The heroes are One side is morally ambiguous whereas while the villains are unquestionably evil.
other side is clearly evil.* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.



%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???

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%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
30th Dec '15 10:08:23 AM TalonsofIceandFire
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14th May '14 11:11:15 AM 313Bluestreak
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* '''Played For Laughs''': The heroes are {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s who the fans still adore none the less because they stand against the villains.





* '''Played For Laughs''': The heroes are {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s who the fans still adore none the less because they stand against the villains.
14th May '14 9:05:09 AM ChaoticNovelist
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** The heroes may be good, but they are often [[GoodIsNotNice rude, abusive, and unforgiving.]] The villains are just as cruel as the heroes, but worse.

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** The heroes may be good, but they are often [[GoodIsNotNice rude, abusive, and unforgiving.]] The villains are not just as cruel as the heroes, but worse.



** The heroes have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality moral standards that are very incomprehensible and questionable to anyone]], be it the villains, [[ValuesDissonance or the audience]].
** Nobody is perfect. It just so happens that these people accept this fact and don't try to delude themselves, making them appear to be less than good, however they also don't [[HannibalLecture break down when their flaws are pointed out,]] [[ShutUpHannibal because they're well aware of them already]].

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** The heroes have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality moral standards that are very incomprehensible and questionable to anyone]], be it the villains, [[ValuesDissonance or the audience]].
** Nobody is perfect. It just so happens that these people accept this fact and don't try to delude themselves, making them appear to be less than good, however they also don't [[HannibalLecture break down when their flaws are pointed out,]] [[ShutUpHannibal because they're well aware of them already]].
audience]].



* '''Double Subverted''': ... They eventually suffered a bad case of AesopAmnesia. They're still not as bad as the villains, though.

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* '''Double Subverted''': ... They eventually suffered a bad case of AesopAmnesia. They're AesopAmnesia but they're still not as bad as the villains, though.villains.



* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write story about [[AntiHero realistic and flawed heroes]].

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* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write story about [[AntiHero realistic and flawed heroes]].



* '''Defied''': The heroes follow a strict moral code and avoid breaking it at all costs.

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* '''Defied''': The heroes [[TheFettered follow a strict moral code and avoid breaking it at all costs.]]



** "It's the battle of the douchebag factions! OK, one of said factions is ''slightly'' less scummy than the other... But that doesn't make it any better."
* '''Conversed''': "Why does this show have the heroes who are fighting against the villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags?"
* '''Deconstructed''':
** The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAreStrugglingTogether dysfunctional alliances/friendships]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is [[FromBadToWorse worse than ever before]] because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].
** The more the heroes fight off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious and sadistic they have become]]. Now the world is infested by [[EvilVersusEvil vile and heinous villains fighting each other until death]].
** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]]. Because of this, the citizens feel [[BewareTheSuperman they would rather have been killed by the villains than to be oppressed by these "good guys"]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But sometimes, a good person is capable in doing bad or cruel things, justified or not, and even if others don't agree with it, [[LesserOfTwoEvils it's more preferable than purely evil people running rampant in the world]].

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** "It's the battle of the douchebag factions! OK, one of said factions One is ''slightly'' less scummy than the other... But that doesn't make it any better.other..."
* '''Conversed''': "Why does this show have the heroes who are fighting against the villains are as a bunch of flawed douchebags?"
* '''Deconstructed''':
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'''Deconstructed''': The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, heroes defeated the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and [[WeAreStrugglingTogether dysfunctional alliances/friendships]] strict laws]]. Because of this, the citizens feel they would rather have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is [[FromBadToWorse worse than ever before]] because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans been killed by the villains have taken over it]].
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than to be oppressed by these "good guys".
* '''Reconstructed''': A good person is capable of doing bad or cruel things, justified or not, and even if others don't agree with it, [[LesserOfTwoEvils it's more preferable than purely evil people running rampant in the world]].
* '''Played For Drama''':
The more the heroes fight off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious and sadistic they have become]]. Now the world is infested by [[EvilVersusEvil vile and heinous villains fighting each other until death]].
** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]]. Because of this, the citizens feel [[BewareTheSuperman they would rather have been killed by the villains than to be oppressed by these "good guys"]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But sometimes, a good person is capable in doing bad or cruel things, justified or not, and even if others don't agree with it, [[LesserOfTwoEvils it's more preferable than purely evil people running rampant in the world]].
death]].




%%* '''Played For Drama''': ???
27th Mar '14 8:59:50 AM 313Bluestreak
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* '''Parodied''': The good guys are [[SirSwearsALot foul-mouthed]], [[LovableSexManiac sex driven]], [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero racists]] while the bad guys take these addictive activities too far.

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* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
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The good guys are [[SirSwearsALot foul-mouthed]], [[LovableSexManiac sex driven]], [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero racists]] while the bad guys take these addictive activities too far. far.
** The good guys are angels who behave horribly towards each other while the demons are expectedly evil.
5th Mar '14 7:00:03 AM 313Bluestreak
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* '''Conversed''': "Why does this show has the heroes who are fighting against the villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags?"

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* '''Conversed''': "Why does this show has have the heroes who are fighting against the villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags?"
1st Feb '14 7:09:23 PM 313Bluestreak
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'''Basic Trope''': The good guys are morally ambiguous whereas the villains are unquestionably evil.

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'''Basic Trope''': The good guys heroes are morally ambiguous whereas the villains are unquestionably evil.



** The heroes may be kind-hearted, but [[GoodIsNotSoft can prove to be just as ruthless as the other villains when necessary.]]

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** The heroes may be kind-hearted, nice for the most part, but they [[GoodIsNotSoft can prove to be just as ruthless as the other villains when necessary.]]
1st Feb '14 1:07:38 PM 313Bluestreak
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** The heroes may be good, or at least have good intentions, but they are often [[GoodIsNotNice rude, abusive, and unforgiving.]] The villains are just as cruel as the heroes, but worse.
** The heroes may be kind-hearted, but [[GoodIsNotSoft can prove to be just as ruthless as the other villains.]]

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** The heroes may be good, or at least have good intentions, but they are often [[GoodIsNotNice rude, abusive, and unforgiving.]] The villains are just as cruel as the heroes, but worse.
** The heroes may be kind-hearted, but [[GoodIsNotSoft can prove to be just as ruthless as the other villains.villains when necessary.]]
1st Feb '14 9:46:43 AM 313Bluestreak
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** The heroes may be kind-hearted, but [[GoodIsNotSoft can prove to be just as ruthless as the other villains.]]
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