Follow TV Tropes

Following

History PlayingWith / BlackAndGrayMorality

Go To

OR

Added: 195

Changed: 241

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have caused them to behave unpleasantly and are driven by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].
** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism are free passes for villains to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead]].

to:

** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have caused them to behave unpleasantly and are driven by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].
very badly.
** The heroes realize that their kindness [[AllLovingHero kindness]] and idealism [[WideEyedIdealist idealism]] are [[GetOutOfJailFreeCard free passes passes]] for villains to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead]].dead]], [[HeelFaceDoorSlam even if they're really trying to change]].



** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]]. Because of this, the citizens feel they would rather be killed by the villains than to be oppressed by these "good guys".

to:

** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]]. Because of this, the citizens feel [[BewareTheSuperman they would rather be killed by the villains than to be oppressed by these "good guys".guys"]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But sometimes, a good person can do bad or cruel things, justified or not, and even if others don't agree with the heroes, it [[LesserOfTwoEvils isn't as bad as the evil]].



%%* '''Reconstructed''': ???

to:

%%* '''Reconstructed''': ???%%
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.

to:

* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], [[KnightInSourArmor cynical]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Discussed''': "It seems that the heroes who fight off the villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags."
* '''Conversed''': "It feels unsafe to be protected by these heroes just as much as it feels unsafe to be harmed by the villains."

to:

* '''Discussed''': "It seems that the feels unsafe to be protected by these heroes who fight off just as much as it feels unsafe to be harmed by the villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags.villains."
* '''Conversed''': "It feels unsafe to be protected by these "Why does this show has the heroes just as much as it feels unsafe to be harmed by who are fighting against the villains."villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags?"

Added: 53

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Justified''':

to:

* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':


Added DiffLines:

** [[IDidWhatIHadToDo They did what they had to do.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]] which they would rather be killed by the villains than to suffer oppression from these "good guys".

to:

** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]] which laws]]. Because of this, the citizens feel they would rather be killed by the villains than to suffer oppression from be oppressed by these "good guys".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Nobody is perfect. It just so happens that these people accept this fact and don't try to delude themselves, making them appear to be less than good, however they also don't [[HannibalLecture break down when their flaws are pointed out,]] [[ShutUpHannibal because they're well aware of them already]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The heroes have managed to defeat the villains, but this didn't stop them from [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans keeping humanity in line through their harsh and strict laws]] which they would rather be killed by the villains than to suffer oppression from these "good guys".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether dysfunctional alliances/friendships]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].

to:

** The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether [[WeAreStrugglingTogether dysfunctional alliances/friendships]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].

Added: 31

Changed: 126

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism is a free pass for the villains to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead]].
** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's difficult and unnecessary to be nice guys when the crime rate and other immoral practices are increasing rapidly and they need to stop it once and for all.

to:

** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism is a are free pass passes for the villains to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead]].
** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's difficult and unnecessary to be nice guys when the crime rate and other immoral practices are increasing rapidly rapidly, and they need to stop it once and for all.



** There is no conflict at all.



* '''Conversed''': ???

to:

* '''Conversed''': ???"It feels unsafe to be protected by these heroes just as much as it feels unsafe to be harmed by the villains."

Added: 180

Changed: 194

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have cause them to behave unpleasantly and are driven by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].

to:

** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have cause caused them to behave unpleasantly and are driven by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].



* '''Subverted''': It would seem that the heroes are cynical and unfriendly, but after a talk with the [[TheMessiah most purest hero, Bob]], they all become idealistic and caring to humanity...

to:

* '''Subverted''': It would seem that the heroes are cynical and unfriendly, but after a talk with the [[TheMessiah most purest hero, Bob]], they all become idealistic and caring to humanity...benevolent...



* '''Averted''': BlackAndWhiteMorality.
* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write story about realistic and flawed heroes.

to:

* '''Averted''': '''Averted''':
**
BlackAndWhiteMorality.
** GreyAndGrayMorality.
* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write story about [[AntiHero realistic and flawed heroes.heroes]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The more the heroes fight off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious and sadistic they have become]]. Now the world is infested by [[EvilVersusEvil vile and heinous villains fighting each other for world supremacy]].

to:

** The more the heroes fight off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious and sadistic they have become]]. Now the world is infested by [[EvilVersusEvil vile and heinous villains fighting each other for world supremacy]].until death]].

Added: 571

Changed: 343

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Deconstructed''': The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether dysfunctional alliances/friendships]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].

to:

* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
**
The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether dysfunctional alliances/friendships]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].it]].
** The more the heroes fight off evil, the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters more vicious and sadistic they have become]]. Now the world is infested by [[EvilVersusEvil vile and heinous villains fighting each other for world supremacy]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], irredeemable villains.

to:

* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.

to:

* '''Straight''': The heroes are {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the {{the sociopath}}ic, [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], irredeemable villains.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Deconstructed''': The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether dysfunctional communications]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].

to:

* '''Deconstructed''': The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether dysfunctional communications]] alliances/friendships]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].

Added: 359

Removed: 28

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Deconstructed''': The heroes' traumatic issues, indulgent vices, violent behaviors, and [[WeAREStrugglingTogether dysfunctional communications]] have allowed the villain to [[TheBadGuyWins win the battle and the war]]. The world that was once cruel and dark is worse than ever before because [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans the villains have taken over it]].



%%* '''Deconstructed''': ???
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], {{blood|Knight}}thirsty and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, who daily cross the MoralEventHorizon.

to:

* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], {{blood|Knight}}thirsty and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, who daily cross the MoralEventHorizon.MoralEventHorizon 24/7.



** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's difficult and unnecessary to be nice guys when immorality is increasing rapidly.

to:

** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's difficult and unnecessary to be nice guys when immorality is the crime rate and other immoral practices are increasing rapidly.rapidly and they need to stop it once and for all.



* '''Parodied''': ???

to:

* '''Parodied''': ???The good guys are [[PrecisionFStrike foul-mouthed]], [[LovableSexManiac sex driven]], [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero racists]] while the bad guys take these addictive activities too far.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism is a free pass for the villain to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead]].

to:

** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism is a free pass for the villain villains to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Defied''': ???

to:

* '''Defied''': ???The heroes follow a strict moral code and avoid breaking it at all costs.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.

to:

* '''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], {{pragmatic|Hero}}, [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the {{the sociopath}}ic, irredeemable villains.



** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have cause them to behave unpleasanty and are driven by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].
** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism is a free pass for the villain to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in making sure the unrepentant villains are dead.

to:

** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have cause them to behave unpleasanty unpleasantly and are driven by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].
** The heroes realize that their kindness and idealism is a free pass for the villain to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures]] in [[MurderIsTheBestSolution making sure the unrepentant villains are dead.dead]].



* '''Subverted''': ???
* '''Double Subverted''': ???

to:

* '''Subverted''': ???
It would seem that the heroes are cynical and unfriendly, but after a talk with the [[TheMessiah most purest hero, Bob]], they all become idealistic and caring to humanity...
* '''Double Subverted''': ???Subverted''': ... They eventually suffered a bad case of AesopAmnesia. They're still not as bad as the villains, though.

Added: 177

Changed: 74

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's unnecessary to be nice guys when immorality is increasing rapidly.

to:

** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's difficult and unnecessary to be nice guys when immorality is increasing rapidly.rapidly.
** The heroes have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality moral standards that are very incomprehensible and questionable to anyone]], be it the villains, [[ValuesDissonance or the audience]].



* '''Enforced''': The author wants to write story about realistic and flawed heroes.

to:

* '''Enforced''': The author [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids disregards pure heroes]] and wants to write story about realistic and flawed heroes.

Added: 121

Changed: 241

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have driven them into doing unpleasant and questionable things.
** The heroes realize that their kindness towards the villains have given them a free pass to continue doing evil, so they seriously took drastic measures in making sure the unrepentant villains are dead.

to:

** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have cause them to behave unpleasanty and are driven them into doing unpleasant and questionable things.
by their [[MrViceGuy habitual vices]].
** The heroes realize that their kindness towards the villains have given them and idealism is a free pass for the villain to continue doing evil, so they seriously [[GrayingMorality took drastic measures measures]] in making sure the unrepentant villains are dead.dead.
** The heroes are living in a CrapsackWorld where it's unnecessary to be nice guys when immorality is increasing rapidly.



* '''Lampshaded''': ???

to:

* '''Lampshaded''': ???"There are no good guys in this story. Just slightly bad guys and really bad guys."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the {{the sociopath}}ic, [[CompleteMonster irredemmable villains]].

to:

* '''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the {{the sociopath}}ic, [[CompleteMonster irredemmable villains]].irredeemable villains.

Added: 352

Changed: 4

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Justified''': ???

to:

* '''Justified''': ???'''Justified''':
** The heroes have experienced many unfortunate events in their personal lives which have driven them into doing unpleasant and questionable things.
** The heroes realize that their kindness towards the villains have given them a free pass to continue doing evil, so they seriously took drastic measures in making sure the unrepentant villains are dead.



* '''Parodied''': ???

to:

* '''Parodied''': ??? ???
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], [[CompleteMonster irredemmable villains]].

to:

* '''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], {{the sociopath}}ic, [[CompleteMonster irredemmable villains]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], {{blood|Knight}}thirsty and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, who daily crosses the MoralEventHorizon.

to:

* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], {{blood|Knight}}thirsty and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, who daily crosses cross the MoralEventHorizon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, who daily crosses the MoralEventHorizon.

to:

* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] {{blood|Knight}}thirsty and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, who daily crosses the MoralEventHorizon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Inverted''': WhiteAndGrayMorality.

to:

* '''Inverted''': WhiteAndGrayMorality.WhiteAndGreyMorality.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, whom daily crosses the MoralEventHorizon.

to:

* '''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, whom who daily crosses the MoralEventHorizon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

'''Basic Trope''': The good guys are morally ambiguous whereas the villains are unquestionably evil.
*'''Straight''': The heroes are [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]], [[KnightTemplar zealous]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil vindictive]], and [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetic]], but they are nothing compared to the [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], [[CompleteMonster irredemmable villains]].
*'''Exaggerated''': The heroes are just as, [[ALighterShadeOfBlack if not more]], [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] and [[SociopathicHero sadistic]] as the villains, whom daily crosses the MoralEventHorizon.
*'''Downplayed''': The heroes may be good, or at least have good intentions, but that [[GoodIsNotNice doesn't mean they're nice, polite, forgiving, or otherwise pleasant to be around with]]. The villains are just as cruel as the heroes, but worse.
*'''Justified''': ???
*'''Inverted''': WhiteAndGrayMorality.
*'''Subverted''': ???
*'''Double Subverted''': ???
*'''Parodied''': ???
*'''Zig Zagged''': ???
*'''Averted''': BlackAndWhiteMorality.
*'''Enforced''': The author wants to write story about realistic and flawed heroes.
*'''Lampshaded''': ???
*'''Invoked''': ???
*'''Exploited''': ???
*'''Defied''': ???
*'''Discussed''': "It seems that the heroes who fight off the villains are a bunch of flawed douchebags."
*'''Conversed''': ???
----
Back to BlackAndGrayMorality.
----
%% Optional items, added after Conversed, at your discretion:
%%
%%* '''Implied''': ???
%%* '''Deconstructed''': ???
%%* '''Reconstructed''': ???
%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
%%* '''Played For Laughs''': ???
%%* '''Played For Drama''': ???

Top