History NightmareFuel / Warhammer40000

19th Sep '16 8:39:24 PM KingClark
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* The horror of ''Warhammer 40000'' and the nadir of its grimdarkness could probably be summed up with the [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Daemonculaba Daemonculaba]], a holy shit-tier mad science project designed to create new Chaos Space Marines. The Daemonculaba process began by rounding up some human females as slaves. Once corralled, they were shackled naked within iron cages and force-fed nutrients causing their bodies to widen and bloat to unfathomably grotesque proportions. utilized surgical and chemical techniques as well as Chaos magicks to radically alter the slaves' insides and embed them with stolen gene-seed. Then the children were born without any skin - those who were deemed unworthy were literally flushed into sewers to die. However, if the candidate passed the inspection, skin would be taken from flayed slaves and cross-stitched onto its body. Even then, some of the rejects just won't die & instead grows to skinless yet insanely tough, man-eating monstrosities called the Unfleshed, which are strangely Imperial loyalists despite being products of Chaos sorcery. A rather [[TearJerker tearjerking]] story happened since they met Ultramarines penal expedition sent to destroy the Daemonculaba after an Ultramarines Chief Librarian Varro Tigurius spotted it through a psychic nightmare.

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* The horror of ''Warhammer 40000'' and the nadir of its grimdarkness could probably be summed up with the [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Daemonculaba Daemonculaba]], a holy shit-tier mad science project designed to create new Chaos Space Marines. The Daemonculaba process began by rounding up some human females as slaves. Once corralled, they were shackled naked within iron cages and force-fed nutrients causing their bodies to widen and bloat to unfathomably grotesque proportions. The servants of Chaos then utilized surgical and chemical techniques as well as Chaos magicks to radically alter the slaves' insides and embed them with stolen gene-seed. Then the children were born without any skin - those who were deemed unworthy were literally flushed into sewers to die. However, if the candidate passed the inspection, skin would be taken from flayed slaves and cross-stitched onto its body. Even then, some of the rejects just won't die & instead grows to skinless yet insanely tough, man-eating monstrosities called the Unfleshed, which are strangely Imperial loyalists despite being products of Chaos sorcery. A rather [[TearJerker tearjerking]] story happened since they met Ultramarines penal expedition sent to destroy the Daemonculaba after an Ultramarines Chief Librarian Varro Tigurius spotted it through a psychic nightmare.
31st Aug '16 8:25:57 PM Gregzilla
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* And '''Lucius the Eternal'''. If he thinks you're a worthy foe, he'll duel you. If he wins, you're dead. If he loses, you win, but if you feel even an ''instant'' of triumph or even mild satisfaction, you end up [[KarmicTransformation transforming into him]], being [[AndIMustScream bound to his armor]] while his [[DemonicPossession soul takes you over]].

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* And '''Lucius '''[[ResurrectiveImmortality Lucius the Eternal'''.Eternal]]'''. If he thinks you're a worthy foe, he'll duel you. If he wins, you're dead. If he loses, you win, but if you feel even an ''instant'' of triumph or even mild satisfaction, you end up [[KarmicTransformation transforming into him]], being [[AndIMustScream bound to his armor]] while his [[DemonicPossession soul takes you over]].
31st Aug '16 8:24:17 PM Gregzilla
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** There's his ultimate goal, as illustrated in the BloodAngels novels. [[spoiler:He's trying to clone the Emperor.]] The Blood Angels may have set his work back considerably, but as far as he's concerned, it's only a matter of time.

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** There's his ultimate goal, as illustrated in the BloodAngels ''Literature/BloodAngels'' novels. [[spoiler:He's trying to clone the Emperor.]] The Blood Angels may have set his work back considerably, but as far as he's concerned, it's only a matter of time.
31st Aug '16 8:23:36 PM Gregzilla
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** There's one story about how he was captured by the Dark Elder and taken to Commoraugh, but he so impressed them with his knowledge of inflicting pain that they let him go, and allowed him to study under the [[TortureTechnician Haemonculi]]. In sum, he's so depraved that even a species of immortal, sadomasochistic xenophobes have to respect his cruelty.

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** There's one story about how he was captured by the Dark Elder and taken to Commoraugh, but he so impressed them with his knowledge of inflicting pain that they let him go, and allowed him to study under the [[TortureTechnician Haemonculi]]. In sum, he's so depraved that even a species of immortal, sadomasochistic xenophobes have to respect his cruelty. As has been noted, this is the ''only'' time this has ''ever'' [[WowingCthulhu happened]] to anyone.
30th Aug '16 3:17:19 PM spydre
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* Now that you've grasped the living nightmare that is life in in the Imperium, imagine being an alien in the Imperium's way. The Imperium preaches xenocidal hatred as a matter of principle, and will utterly exterminate any alien race it can, whether or not it might pose a threat. So let's say you're an alien, living on your own little planet, which, likely, is your entire universe. Your scientific understanding might barely equal that of the Greeks and Romans; you might not even be ''aware'' of space, let alone the threats it could contain. Then, suddenly, the sky is torn apart by fire, and the clouds begin to seethe. Your largest cities and greatest monuments are blown to dust in an instant by hammers of light from beyond heaven. Your mountains ring with thunder and your rivers rear like serpents as your world is hit with shock after shock. And then, for the crime of mere survival, you must face the next wave; a horde of hideously-armoured, beweaponed creatures that may look utterly unlike you or anything you know, marching methodically across the ashes of your culture, seeking you out, hunting you down, determined to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know, simply because you are not them. And they will not stop until they do, even if it takes thousands of years.

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* Now that you've grasped the living nightmare that is life in in the Imperium, imagine being an alien in the Imperium's way. The Imperium preaches xenocidal hatred as a matter of principle, and will utterly exterminate any alien race it can, whether or not it might pose a threat. So let's say you're an alien, living on your own little planet, which, likely, is your entire universe. Your scientific understanding might barely equal that of the Greeks and Romans; you might not even be ''aware'' of space, let alone the threats it could contain. Then, suddenly, the sky is torn apart by fire, and the clouds begin to seethe. Your largest cities and greatest monuments are blown to dust in an instant by hammers of light from beyond heaven. Your mountains ring with thunder and your rivers rear like serpents as your world is hit with shock after shock. And then, for the crime of mere survival, you must face the next wave; a horde of hideously-armoured, beweaponed creatures that may look utterly unlike you or anything you know, you've seen, marching methodically across the ashes of your culture, seeking you out, hunting you down, determined to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know, simply because you are not them. And they will not stop until they do, even if it takes thousands of years.
13th Aug '16 3:34:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''DarkHeresy'''s introduced the appropriately-named DeathWorld Phyrr, which makes Catachan look like a cakewalk. To put this in perspective, Catachan is a jungle world on which most organisms--including plant life--are carnivorous (which includes insects the size of heavy tanks and explosive amphibians), and living past the age of ten is a major achievement. Phyrr is a planet on which all organisms are lethal to non-native life, down to a ''genetic level.'' A handful of mere spores from any species of native plant life can kill a man within an hour, assuming that he isn't killed any number of carnivorous or toxic beasts first.

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* ''DarkHeresy'''s ''TabletopGame/DarkHeresy'''s introduced the appropriately-named DeathWorld Phyrr, which makes Catachan look like a cakewalk. To put this in perspective, Catachan is a jungle world on which most organisms--including plant life--are carnivorous (which includes insects the size of heavy tanks and explosive amphibians), and living past the age of ten is a major achievement. Phyrr is a planet on which all organisms are lethal to non-native life, down to a ''genetic level.'' A handful of mere spores from any species of native plant life can kill a man within an hour, assuming that he isn't killed any number of carnivorous or toxic beasts first.
8th Aug '16 7:33:55 PM Gregzilla
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** Said Primach, Conrad Kurze, was a combination of Franchise/{{Batman}}, ThePunisher, [[Film/ApocalypseNow Kurtz]], and {{Satan}}, as a demigod. His Chapter learned well.

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** Said Primach, Conrad Kurze, Konrad Curze, was a combination of Franchise/{{Batman}}, ThePunisher, [[Film/ApocalypseNow Kurtz]], and {{Satan}}, as a demigod. His Chapter learned well.
8th Aug '16 7:05:26 PM Gregzilla
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** Also note that Creator/DanAbnett provided more information about this subject (if they are considered canon and the information brokers weren't lying) in both the Literature/{{Eisenhorn}} and Literature/{{Ravenor}} series. In the Eisenhorn's series, a demon speaks of a Demon King who at one time was a rival to Tzeentch who, while independent, sought to topple the Lord of Tricks. Implying that the gods could be killed and replaced. Furthermore, the BigBad in Ravornor claims to worship the Eight. He seems to imply that there a total of 8 chaos gods (of mankind, so not counting Gork and Mork [dual gods of the Orks] or the C'tan [who are really just [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens energy beings with an unfathomably immense knowledge of/power over the laws of the physical universe]]]). The four major gods are the most powerful while Malice would be the strongest or most influential of the "weak gods". It is unknown how these hypothetical weak gods would compare to the Daemon Prince Champions of the major gods. [[ParanoiaFuel One still has to wonder what the remaining 3 gods represent...]] [[labelnote:note]][[http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Gods From the wiki:]] "Ans'l, Mo'rcck and Phraz-Etar are minor Chaos deities. Chaos Space Marines were rumored to praise them by putting spikes on their Power Armour. Their names are puns on the last names of Bryan Ansell, Michael Moorcock, and Frank Frazetta, writers and artists whose work all contributed to the look and feel of the Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 universes." The canon of these "gods" are dubious obviously.[[/labelnote]]

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** Also note that Creator/DanAbnett provided more information about this subject (if they are considered canon and the information brokers weren't lying) in both the Literature/{{Eisenhorn}} and Literature/{{Ravenor}} series. In the Eisenhorn's series, a demon speaks of a Demon King who at one time was a rival to Tzeentch who, while independent, sought to topple the Lord of Tricks. Implying that the gods could be killed and replaced. Furthermore, the BigBad in Ravornor claims to worship the Eight. He seems to imply that there a total of 8 chaos gods (of mankind, so not counting Gork and Mork [dual gods of the Orks] or the C'tan [who are really just [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens energy beings with an unfathomably immense knowledge of/power over the laws of the physical universe]]]). The four major gods are the most powerful while Malice would be the strongest or most influential of the "weak gods". It is unknown how these hypothetical weak gods would compare to the Daemon Prince Champions of the major gods. [[ParanoiaFuel One still has to wonder what the remaining 3 gods represent...]] [[labelnote:note]][[http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Gods com/wiki/Chaos_Gods From the wiki:]] "Ans'l, Mo'rcck and Phraz-Etar are minor Chaos deities. Chaos Space Marines were rumored to praise them by putting spikes on their Power Armour. Their names are puns on the last names of Bryan Ansell, Michael Moorcock, and Frank Frazetta, writers and artists whose work all contributed to the look and feel of the Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 universes." The canon of these "gods" are dubious obviously.[[/labelnote]]
8th Aug '16 7:04:16 PM Gregzilla
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* Among all that, there is still one more lingering fact; those 5 named chaos gods are simply the ''most powerful of the chaos gods''. It's hinted that the Chaos Gods are no more different than their lackey Lesser Daemons, save for the fact that they are a thousand fold stronger than them. There are more daemons than those serving the above 5, meaning each of those has a candidate for the title of "Chaos God" of their aspect. They are either simply not as strong as the current 5, or have simply not cared enough to make an impact on realspace. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't. Some of the more pessimistic delvers of hidden knowledge have concluded that when the Emperor of Mankind dies (and he will) the resultant Fall of Mankind to Chaos will not only open a rift into the Warp ''the size of the entire Galaxy'' but will create the final and mightiest Chaos God, who will corrupt, torture and enslave all remaining sentient life as they descend en masse into a screaming, eternal hell. Sweet dreams.
** The information above is incorrect, "Chaos God" is not a title that you can attain. In the lore it is said that the lesser daemons are themselves different parts and aspects of the Chaos God they serve, albeit given their own thoughts and intellect. They're not entirely separate beings, so say if a bloodletter wishes to usurp Khorne, it'll just end up becoming another Khorne, since it was a miniscule aspect of Khorne in the beginning.

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* Among all that, there is still one more lingering fact; those 5 named chaos gods are simply the ''most powerful of the chaos gods''. It's hinted that the Chaos Gods are no more different than their lackey Lesser Daemons, save for the fact that they are a thousand fold stronger than them. There are more daemons than those serving the above 5, meaning each of those has a candidate for the title of "Chaos God" of their aspect. They are either simply not as strong as the current 5, or have simply not cared enough to make an impact on realspace. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't. Some of the more pessimistic delvers of hidden knowledge have concluded that when the Emperor of Mankind dies (and he will) the resultant Fall of Mankind to Chaos will not only open a rift into the Warp ''the size of the entire Galaxy'' but will create the final and mightiest Chaos God, who will corrupt, torture and enslave all remaining sentient life as they descend en masse into a screaming, eternal hell. Sweet dreams.
** The information above is incorrect, "Chaos God" is not a title that you can attain. In the lore it is said that the lesser daemons are themselves different parts and aspects of the Chaos God they serve, albeit given their own thoughts and intellect. They're not entirely separate beings, so say if a bloodletter wishes to usurp Khorne, it'll just end up becoming another Khorne, since it was a miniscule aspect of Khorne in the beginning.
dreams.
19th Jul '16 2:47:12 AM KingClark
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* Emperor Webway project. The plan was to use psychic power of the Emperor to dig a hole in reality leading to the Eldar Webway, while simultaneously fortifying it against Daemons. The task eventually proved to be too draining even for Emperor's enormous power when he had to leave the Great Crusade and take his place on a psychic amplifier, the Golden Throne. Then Magnus happened and crushed the barriers in the human webway tunnel leading to a massive demonic invasion in the Palace of Terra. Novels hint that this resulted in an instability in the original "hole in reality" thingy and now it drains more psychic power then ever to keep the rift from turning into a new galaxy wide Eye of Terror. There is also a scene in a novel, long after Magnus betrayal that features a series of Emperor Titan sized adamantium doors deep withing Palace of Terra. Even when standing at the first door it sounds like the greatest battle of all time was going on behind them. What it means is the breach was not sealed, the demonic incursion on holy soil of Terra is still under way, and Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence constantly have to keep Daemons from overrunning the heart of the Imperium and shutting off Astronomicon. We do know that daemons weren't able to break into Imperial Palace again, but they destroyed a lot of irreplaceable pieces of ancient machinery, tied up some of the most capable and valuable forces of the Imperium and there is not a single reason for them to stop trying. Daemons can not be killed. Every victory is but a delay, every Custodes is irreplaceable. Oh, and the psychic strain is so devastating that there is no hope for Emperor to recover any time soon and the Golden Throne is failing. But we knew this already.

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* Emperor Webway project. The plan was to use psychic power of the Emperor to dig a hole in reality leading to the Eldar Webway, while simultaneously fortifying it against Daemons. The task eventually proved to be too draining even for Emperor's enormous power when he had to leave the Great Crusade and take his place on a psychic amplifier, the Golden Throne. Then Magnus happened and crushed the barriers in the human webway tunnel leading to a massive demonic invasion in the Palace of Terra. Novels hint that this resulted in an instability in the original "hole in reality" thingy and now it drains more psychic power then ever to keep the rift from turning into a new galaxy wide Eye of Terror. There is also a scene in a novel, long after Magnus betrayal that features a series of Emperor Titan sized adamantium doors deep withing within the Palace of Terra. Even when standing at the first door it sounds like the greatest battle of all time was going on behind them. What it means is the breach was not sealed, the demonic incursion on holy soil of Terra is still under way, and Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence constantly have to keep Daemons from overrunning the heart of the Imperium and shutting off Astronomicon. We do know that daemons weren't able to break into Imperial Palace again, but they destroyed a lot of irreplaceable pieces of ancient machinery, tied up some of the most capable and valuable forces of the Imperium and there is not a single reason for them to stop trying. Daemons can not be killed. Every victory is but a delay, every Custodes is irreplaceable. Oh, and the psychic strain is so devastating that there is no hope for Emperor to recover any time soon and the Golden Throne is failing. But we knew this already.
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