History NightmareFuel / Warhammer40000

19th Jul '16 2:47:12 AM KingClark
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* Emperor Webway project. The plan was to use psychic power of the Emperor to dig a hole in reality leading to the Eldar Webway, while simultaneously fortifying it against Daemons. The task eventually proved to be too draining even for Emperor's enormous power when he had to leave the Great Crusade and take his place on a psychic amplifier, the Golden Throne. Then Magnus happened and crushed the barriers in the human webway tunnel leading to a massive demonic invasion in the Palace of Terra. Novels hint that this resulted in an instability in the original "hole in reality" thingy and now it drains more psychic power then ever to keep the rift from turning into a new galaxy wide Eye of Terror. There is also a scene in a novel, long after Magnus betrayal that features a series of Emperor Titan sized adamantium doors deep withing Palace of Terra. Even when standing at the first door it sounds like the greatest battle of all time was going on behind them. What it means is the breach was not sealed, the demonic incursion on holy soil of Terra is still under way, and Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence constantly have to keep Daemons from overrunning the heart of the Imperium and shutting off Astronomicon. We do know that daemons weren't able to break into Imperial Palace again, but they destroyed a lot of irreplaceable pieces of ancient machinery, tied up some of the most capable and valuable forces of the Imperium and there is not a single reason for them to stop trying. Daemons can not be killed. Every victory is but a delay, every Custodes is irreplaceable. Oh, and the psychic strain is so devastating that there is no hope for Emperor to recover any time soon and the Golden Throne is failing. But we knew this already.

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* Emperor Webway project. The plan was to use psychic power of the Emperor to dig a hole in reality leading to the Eldar Webway, while simultaneously fortifying it against Daemons. The task eventually proved to be too draining even for Emperor's enormous power when he had to leave the Great Crusade and take his place on a psychic amplifier, the Golden Throne. Then Magnus happened and crushed the barriers in the human webway tunnel leading to a massive demonic invasion in the Palace of Terra. Novels hint that this resulted in an instability in the original "hole in reality" thingy and now it drains more psychic power then ever to keep the rift from turning into a new galaxy wide Eye of Terror. There is also a scene in a novel, long after Magnus betrayal that features a series of Emperor Titan sized adamantium doors deep withing within the Palace of Terra. Even when standing at the first door it sounds like the greatest battle of all time was going on behind them. What it means is the breach was not sealed, the demonic incursion on holy soil of Terra is still under way, and Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence constantly have to keep Daemons from overrunning the heart of the Imperium and shutting off Astronomicon. We do know that daemons weren't able to break into Imperial Palace again, but they destroyed a lot of irreplaceable pieces of ancient machinery, tied up some of the most capable and valuable forces of the Imperium and there is not a single reason for them to stop trying. Daemons can not be killed. Every victory is but a delay, every Custodes is irreplaceable. Oh, and the psychic strain is so devastating that there is no hope for Emperor to recover any time soon and the Golden Throne is failing. But we knew this already.
10th Jul '16 3:01:09 PM Johnnytherock
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* One particularly awful example of a Chaos-oriented weapon is the anathame. This weapon can "recognize" a designated target, thus tailoring itself specifically to be lethal to that target. While it was not originally forged by Chaos, it was used by members of the Emperor's Children and Word Bearers, and it was also instrumental in Horus' StartOfDarkness.
3rd Jul '16 10:47:15 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* Though the Emperor is usually represented as huge {{Jerkass}} and TautologicalTemplar, who is unable to relate to his sons and humanity in general (Lorgar, Angron, ''The Last Temple'' story, other stuff), there are enough hints to imply that it is not so. Judging by his [[PetTheDog treatment]] of Kai Zulane in ''Outcast Dead'', to some other people, including his sons (Vulkan, for example), it's highly likely that he '''perfectly''' understands them. Add his precognitive powers and knowledge of his death, and the implication that he had known about it before Kai told him, we can conclude: [[spoiler: The Emperor '''knew''' about Horus Heresy, led to it, ''and that was the best way''. In short, '''Galaxy in 40000 is the best of other variants.''']]

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* Though the Emperor is usually represented as huge {{Jerkass}} and TautologicalTemplar, who is unable to relate to his sons and humanity in general (Lorgar, Angron, ''The Last Temple'' story, other stuff), there are enough hints to imply that it is not so. Judging by his [[PetTheDog treatment]] of Kai Zulane in ''Outcast Dead'', to some other people, including his sons (Vulkan, for example), it's highly likely that he '''perfectly''' understands them. Add his precognitive powers and knowledge of his death, and the implication possibility that he had known about it before Kai told him, we can conclude: [[spoiler: The Emperor '''knew''' about Horus Heresy, led to it, ''and that was the best way''. In short, '''Galaxy in 40000 is the best of other variants.''']]''']]
** Or he is not. Which is even worse.
25th Jun '16 2:52:16 PM spydre
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* Now that you've grasped the living nightmare that is life in in the Imperium, imagine being an alien in the Imperium's way. The Imperium preaches xenocidal hatred as a matter of principle, and will utterly exterminate any alien race it can, whether or not it might pose a threat. So let's say you're an alien, living on your own little planet, which, likely, is your entire universe. Your scientific understanding might barely equal that of the Greeks and Romans; you might not even be ''aware'' of space, let alone the threats it could contain. Then, suddenly, the sky is torn apart by fire, and the clouds begin to seethe. Your largest cities and greatest monuments are blown to dust in an instant by hammers of light from beyond heaven. Your mountains ring with thunder and your rivers rear like serpents as your world is hit with shock after shock. And then, for the crime of mere survival, you must face the next wave; a horde of hideously-armoured, beweaponed creatures that may look utterly unlike you or anything you know, marching across the ashes of your culture in hordes, seeking you out, hunting you down, determined to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know, simply because you are not them. And they will not stop until they do, even if it takes thousands of years.

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* Now that you've grasped the living nightmare that is life in in the Imperium, imagine being an alien in the Imperium's way. The Imperium preaches xenocidal hatred as a matter of principle, and will utterly exterminate any alien race it can, whether or not it might pose a threat. So let's say you're an alien, living on your own little planet, which, likely, is your entire universe. Your scientific understanding might barely equal that of the Greeks and Romans; you might not even be ''aware'' of space, let alone the threats it could contain. Then, suddenly, the sky is torn apart by fire, and the clouds begin to seethe. Your largest cities and greatest monuments are blown to dust in an instant by hammers of light from beyond heaven. Your mountains ring with thunder and your rivers rear like serpents as your world is hit with shock after shock. And then, for the crime of mere survival, you must face the next wave; a horde of hideously-armoured, beweaponed creatures that may look utterly unlike you or anything you know, marching methodically across the ashes of your culture in hordes, culture, seeking you out, hunting you down, determined to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know, simply because you are not them. And they will not stop until they do, even if it takes thousands of years.
20th Jun '16 2:01:31 AM KingClark
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** Beasts of Nurgle are abhorrent, sluglike creatures dripping with toxic ooze, spurting dangerous gases from chimneys on their back and dribbling acidic spittle. But these things are not insane, dribbling wrecks- they have the minds of cute, playful puppies, who only wish to give the enemy bone-crushing hugs and slobber all over them. As if this wasn't bad enough, they have no concept of death - once they kill, they are momentarily disappointed by the fact [[AndCallHimGeorge their new playmate has gone still]], then ooze over to another foe to make a new friend.

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** Beasts of Nurgle are abhorrent, sluglike creatures dripping with toxic ooze, spurting dangerous gases from chimneys on their back and dribbling acidic spittle. But these things are not insane, dribbling wrecks- wrecks - they have the minds of cute, playful puppies, who only wish to give the enemy bone-crushing hugs and slobber all over them. As if this wasn't bad enough, they have no concept of death - once they kill, they are momentarily disappointed by the fact [[AndCallHimGeorge their new playmate has gone still]], then ooze over to another foe to make a new friend.
14th Jun '16 4:58:53 PM DoctorFluffy
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* The sheer number of instances of TheExtremistWasRight in the Imperium. Horrified at the existence of Servitors, or hate the Adeptus Mechanicus for having a stranglehold on Imperial tech? As bad as they can be, there's justifications because of prohibitions to artificial intelligence that were set in place because of a RobotWar, countless [[HauntedTechnology daemonic possessions of technology,]] and [[AfterTheEnd numerous successive apocalypses]]. Fear of innovation? It has an alarming history of killing all of them. Hatred of psykers? [[DemonicPossession They can kinda summon demons from the Warp on accident, and some of the only worlds that survived the Age of Strife did so because they took it upon themselves to murder psykers.]] The Inquisition acting as StateSec and the [[MemeticPsychopath memetic tendency towards shooting "heretics"?]] Chaos is just that bad. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters The Radical Inquisitors]] who BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis, making use of xenotech and chaos-corrupted weaponry? Their job is just that awful, and the sacrifices they make may not just be practical, they may be the only options to preserve the Imperium, even if they involve the possible death of billions. The Imperium itself is a bureaucratic, despotic, theocratic, Orwellian, xenocidal hellhole, basically Literature/NineteenEightyFour In Space so that it can never undergo another Horus Heresy, even if it means internal strife and struggle on a massive scale. However, when one reads the Horus Heresy series itself, it suddenly becomes clear that this is still a good thing.

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* The sheer number of instances of TheExtremistWasRight in the Imperium. Horrified at the existence of Servitors, or hate the Adeptus Mechanicus for having a stranglehold on Imperial tech? As bad as they can be, there's justifications because of prohibitions to artificial intelligence that were set in place because of a RobotWar, countless [[HauntedTechnology daemonic possessions of technology,]] and [[AfterTheEnd numerous successive apocalypses]]. Fear of innovation? It has an alarming history of killing all of them. Hatred of psykers? [[DemonicPossession They can kinda summon demons from the Warp on accident, and some of the only worlds that survived the Age of Strife did so because they took it upon themselves to murder psykers.]] The Inquisition acting as StateSec and the [[MemeticPsychopath memetic tendency towards shooting "heretics"?]] Chaos is just that bad. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters The Radical Inquisitors]] who BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis, BecameTheirOwnAntithesis, making use of xenotech and chaos-corrupted weaponry? Their job is just that awful, and the sacrifices they make may not just be practical, they may be the only options to preserve the Imperium, even if they involve the possible death of billions. The Imperium itself is a bureaucratic, despotic, theocratic, Orwellian, xenocidal hellhole, basically Literature/NineteenEightyFour In Space so that it can never undergo another Horus Heresy, even if it means internal strife and struggle on a massive scale. However, when one reads the Horus Heresy series itself, it suddenly becomes clear that this is still a good thing.
14th Jun '16 4:58:26 PM DoctorFluffy
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** The other one was happened during Age of Apostasy a civil war that engulfed the Imperium in M36. The unseen wars broke off between assassins loyal to renegade Ecclesiarch Goge Vadire and those loyal to faction of Sebastian Thor in the heart of Holy Terra. Use of ancient Dark Age and xenos weaponry resulted in destruction of entire wings of the Imperial Palace, Mankind Greatest Fortress.
* Now that you've grasped the living nightmare that is life in in the Imperium, imagine being an alien in the Imperium's way. The Imperium preaches xenocidal hatred as a matter of principle, and will utterly exterminate any alien race it can, whether or not it might pose a threat. So let's say you're an alien, living on your own little planet, which, likely, is your entire universe. Your scientific understanding might barely equal that of the Greeks and Romans; you might not even be ''aware'' of space, let alone the threats it could contain. Then, suddenly, the sky is torn apart by fire, and the clouds begin to seethe. Your largest cities and greatest monuments are blown to dust in an instant by hammers of light from beyond heaven. Your mountains ring with thunder and your rivers rear like serpents as your world is hit with shock after shock. And then, for the crime of mere survival, you must face the next wave; a horde of hideously-armoured, beweaponed creatures that may look utterly unlike you or anything you know, marching across the ashes of your culture in hordes, seeking you out, hunting you down, determined to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know, simply because you are not them. And they will not stop until they do, even if it takes thousands of years.
* The Imperium itself is a bureaucratic, despotic, theocratic, Orwellian, xenocidal hellhole, basically Literature/NineteenEightyFour In Space so that it can never undergo another Horus Heresy, even if it means internal strife and struggle on a massive scale. However, when one reads the Horus Heresy series itself, it suddenly becomes clear that this is still a good thing.

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** The other one was happened during Age of Apostasy a civil war that engulfed the Imperium in M36. The unseen wars broke off between assassins loyal to renegade Ecclesiarch Goge Vadire and those loyal to faction of Sebastian Thor in the heart of Holy Terra. Use of ancient Dark Age and xenos weaponry resulted in destruction of entire wings of the Imperial Palace, Mankind Mankind's Greatest Fortress.
* Now that you've grasped the living nightmare that is life in in the Imperium, imagine being an alien in the Imperium's way. The Imperium preaches xenocidal hatred as a matter of principle, and will utterly exterminate any alien race it can, whether or not it might pose a threat. So let's say you're an alien, living on your own little planet, which, likely, is your entire universe. Your scientific understanding might barely equal that of the Greeks and Romans; you might not even be ''aware'' of space, let alone the threats it could contain. Then, suddenly, the sky is torn apart by fire, and the clouds begin to seethe. Your largest cities and greatest monuments are blown to dust in an instant by hammers of light from beyond heaven. Your mountains ring with thunder and your rivers rear like serpents as your world is hit with shock after shock. And then, for the crime of mere survival, you must face the next wave; a horde of hideously-armoured, beweaponed creatures that may look utterly unlike you or anything you know, marching across the ashes of your culture in hordes, seeking you out, hunting you down, determined to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know, simply because you are not them. And they will not stop until they do, even if it takes thousands of years. \n
** On another note: If they're more advanced than you, then you're doomed. If you're more advanced than them, ''they have more reserves than you could possibly dream of ever fielding.'' But you won't know that, you'll only know that they never run out. At this point, the only option is quite likely to trust the Tau. Which... hopefully turns out well. [[DependingOnTheWriter Hopefully.]]
** Now imagine why the Imperium does this - as mentioned on the very first entry, not only [[TheExtremistWasRight is the extremist right]], but the Imperium's respective [[KillEmAll advocates of killing every alien]] have been right so often that their violent methods are not only justified, but quite likely the only way to be sure. In the early days of the Imperium, mankind was weak and often suffered the depredations of xenos, so overwhelming force was the only option. However, with countless runs of bad luck (PoorCommunicationKills was a common problem during the Horus Heresy) and fighting aliens that genuinely deserved to be wiped out, they are unlikely to change.
* The sheer number of instances of TheExtremistWasRight in the Imperium. Horrified at the existence of Servitors, or hate the Adeptus Mechanicus for having a stranglehold on Imperial tech? As bad as they can be, there's justifications because of prohibitions to artificial intelligence that were set in place because of a RobotWar, countless [[HauntedTechnology daemonic possessions of technology,]] and [[AfterTheEnd numerous successive apocalypses]]. Fear of innovation? It has an alarming history of killing all of them. Hatred of psykers? [[DemonicPossession They can kinda summon demons from the Warp on accident, and some of the only worlds that survived the Age of Strife did so because they took it upon themselves to murder psykers.]] The Inquisition acting as StateSec and the [[MemeticPsychopath memetic tendency towards shooting "heretics"?]] Chaos is just that bad. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters The Radical Inquisitors]] who BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis, making use of xenotech and chaos-corrupted weaponry? Their job is just that awful, and the sacrifices they make may not just be practical, they may be the only options to preserve the Imperium, even if they involve the possible death of billions. The Imperium itself is a bureaucratic, despotic, theocratic, Orwellian, xenocidal hellhole, basically Literature/NineteenEightyFour In Space so that it can never undergo another Horus Heresy, even if it means internal strife and struggle on a massive scale. However, when one reads the Horus Heresy series itself, it suddenly becomes clear that this is still a good thing.
5th Jun '16 10:29:29 AM IncognitoNinja
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** And now BattlefleetGothicArmada gives us another look at Exterminatus, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNqUyf0op0 as well as what leads up to it.]]

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** And now BattlefleetGothicArmada ''VideoGame/BattlefleetGothicArmada'' gives us another look at Exterminatus, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNqUyf0op0 as well as what leads up to it.]]
18th May '16 2:02:04 PM KingClark
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** They think rape is a fun pastime (and those are the nicer ones)

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** They think rape is a fun pastime (and those are the nicer ones)ones).
18th May '16 1:47:30 PM KingClark
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* A particularly horrifying theory which appears in Horus Heresy novels is that the Emperor saw the Horus Heresy as inevitable [[spoiler: [[VelvetRevolution and manipulated events so that what happened in the end was the best case scenario.]].]] Try not to imagine what this implies about both the Emperor and the Horus Heresy.

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* A particularly horrifying theory which appears in Horus Heresy novels is that the Emperor saw the Horus Heresy as inevitable [[spoiler: [[VelvetRevolution and manipulated events so that what happened in the end was the best case scenario.]].]] scenario]]. Try not to imagine what this implies about both the Emperor and the Horus Heresy.
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