History NightmareFuel / ReturnToOz

8th Dec '17 3:25:54 PM HeroGal2347
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* Outside of the more fantastic scares of Oz, there's the fact that Dorothy gets there after escaping a [[BedlamHouse mental hospital]] where she was about to get electroshock therapy. Let's say that again: Dorothy, a little girl, was about to get electroshock therapy. It's made even worse if you know your history; electroshock therapy and even ''[[MindRape lobotomies]]'' were not unknown for children in early 20th Century psychological 'treatment'. And mind you, electroshock therapy can ''kill'' and there are many cases where patients actually died from the treatment; as for those who survive the torture, many are left with burns and are severely traumatised. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone alive who came out of the experience nonchalantly...
** The usefulness and trauma of electroshock depends mostly on the method, the era, the dosage, what they're trying to treat, and the skill of the doctor. Today it is called ECT and still used for severe cases of depression and mania. No argument that it was terrifying in this particular movie.

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* Outside of the more fantastic scares of Oz, there's the fact that Dorothy gets there after escaping a [[BedlamHouse mental hospital]] where she was about to get electroshock therapy. Let's say that again: Dorothy, a little girl, was about to get electroshock therapy. It's made even worse if you know your history; electroshock therapy and even ''[[MindRape lobotomies]]'' were not unknown for children in early 20th Century psychological 'treatment'. And mind you, electroshock therapy can ''kill'' and there are many cases where patients actually died from the treatment; as for those who survive survived the torture, many are were left with burns and are severely traumatised. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone alive who came out of the experience nonchalantly...
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traumatized. Granted, modern psychiatric medicine has refined ECT into a less traumatic form which is useful for treating certain serious illnesses (depression and trauma of electroshock depends mostly on the method, the era, the dosage, what they're trying to treat, and the skill of the doctor. Today it mania), but this is called ECT and still used for severe cases of depression and mania. No argument clearly ''not'' that it was terrifying in this particular movie.kind of ECT.
8th Dec '17 10:17:43 AM ArgonianLorekeeper
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* Outside of the more fantastic scares of Oz, there's the fact that Dorothy gets there after escaping a [[BedlamHouse mental hospital]] where she was about to get electroshock therapy. Let me say that again: Dorothy, a little girl, was about to get electroshock therapy. It's made even worse if you know your history; electroshock therapy and even ''[[MindRape lobotomies]]'' were not unknown for children in early 20th Century psychological 'treatment'. And mind you, electroshock therapy can ''kill'' and there are many cases where patients actually died from the treatment; as for those who survive the torture, many are left with burns and are severely traumatised. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone alive who came out of the experience nonchalantly...
** The usefulness and trauma of electroshock depends mostly on the method, the era, the dosage, what they're trying to treat, and the skill of the doctor. Today it is called ECT and still used for severe cases of depression and mania. No argument that it was terrifying in this particular movie. Oldest case this troper knows of that the patient considered entirely beneficial was in the 1970's.

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* Outside of the more fantastic scares of Oz, there's the fact that Dorothy gets there after escaping a [[BedlamHouse mental hospital]] where she was about to get electroshock therapy. Let me Let's say that again: Dorothy, a little girl, was about to get electroshock therapy. It's made even worse if you know your history; electroshock therapy and even ''[[MindRape lobotomies]]'' were not unknown for children in early 20th Century psychological 'treatment'. And mind you, electroshock therapy can ''kill'' and there are many cases where patients actually died from the treatment; as for those who survive the torture, many are left with burns and are severely traumatised. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone alive who came out of the experience nonchalantly...
** The usefulness and trauma of electroshock depends mostly on the method, the era, the dosage, what they're trying to treat, and the skill of the doctor. Today it is called ECT and still used for severe cases of depression and mania. No argument that it was terrifying in this particular movie. Oldest case this troper knows of that the patient considered entirely beneficial was in the 1970's.



** The way the doctor tries to anthropomorphize his electroshock machine to Dorothy is even worse. [[NightmareFuel "Look! Those are his eyes, he's happy to see you!"]] [[ParanoiaFuel One wonders if he's done this with the 'failed' patients kept in the basement.]]
* The Nome King's DeathTrap of a game. He turns the Scarecrow into an ornament, hiding him in a huge room of bric-a-brac and instructs Dorothy and her friends to go in one by one. They have three guesses each to find the item the Scarecrow has become, and if they win they can leave without harm. What the Nome King doesn't tell them is that if they guess incorrectly, they themselves will be turned into ornaments. Dorothy figures out the Nome King's game, realising Ozians turn into green-coloured ornaments - and we see plenty of those during the opening pan of the room. So how many other Ozians [[AndIMustScream have fallen for the Nome King's game?]]

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** The way the doctor tries to anthropomorphize his electroshock machine to Dorothy is even worse. [[NightmareFuel "Look! Those are his eyes, he's happy to see you!"]] you!" [[ParanoiaFuel One wonders if he's done this with the 'failed' patients kept in the basement.]]
basement]].
* The Nome King's DeathTrap of a game. He turns the Scarecrow into an ornament, hiding him in a huge room of bric-a-brac and instructs Dorothy and her friends to go in one by one. They have three guesses each to find the item the Scarecrow has become, and if they win they can leave without harm. What the Nome King doesn't tell them is that if they guess incorrectly, they themselves will be turned into ornaments. Dorothy figures out the Nome King's game, realising Ozians turn into green-coloured ornaments - and we see plenty of those during the opening pan of the room. So how many other Ozians [[AndIMustScream have fallen for the Nome King's game?]]game]]?
26th Oct '17 9:09:45 AM gothelittle
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** The usefulness and trauma of electroshock depends mostly on the method, the era, the dosage, what they're trying to treat, and the skill of the doctor. Today it is called ECT and still used for severe cases of depression and mania. No argument that it was terrifying in this particular movie. Oldest case this troper knows of that the patient considered entirely beneficial was in the 1970's.
15th Sep '17 7:01:32 AM Abbot_Cellach
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* During the scene where Dorothy blames The Nome King for turning The Gump into a ornament at the guessing game, he explains to them to visit his {{fiery Furnace}} which we get to see flames appear briefly.

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* During the scene where Dorothy blames The Nome King for turning The Gump into a ornament at the guessing game, he explains to them to visit his {{fiery Furnace}} Fiery Furnace which we get to see flames appear briefly.
15th Sep '17 7:01:01 AM Abbot_Cellach
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* Dorothy and the mysterious girl escaping from the hospital, and winding up getting swept up in a river during a terrible storm. Dorothy only survives because the girl helps her climb onto the porch, which broke off the hospital and wound up floating in the water, and use it as a raft. [[NothingIsScarier The girl herself just vanishes beneath the water]]... [[spoiler:Don't worry, she's okay. But that still must have been terrifying for Dorothy, who, as far as she knows, just watched a child and her only ally die.]]

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* Dorothy and the mysterious girl escaping from the hospital, and winding up getting swept up in a river during a terrible storm. Dorothy only survives because the girl helps her climb onto the porch, which broke off the hospital and wound up floating in the water, and use it as a raft. [[NothingIsScarier The girl herself just vanishes beneath the water]]... [[spoiler:Don't worry, she's okay. But that still must have been terrifying for Dorothy, who, as far as she knows, just watched a child and her only ally die.]]]]
* During the scene where Dorothy blames The Nome King for turning The Gump into a ornament at the guessing game, he explains to them to visit his {{fiery Furnace}} which we get to see flames appear briefly.
28th May '17 8:41:05 PM NausicaaoftheSpirits
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** And shortly before that when he shrieks in rage at Mombi in an utterly inhuman voice, ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis "YOU! LET! HER! ESCAPE!"]]''

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** And shortly before that when he shrieks in rage at Mombi in an utterly inhuman voice, ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis "YOU! LET! HER! ESCAPE!"]]'' The Wheelers are shown [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere quickly getting the hell outta there]] during that.
24th May '17 11:16:44 PM Nakayama90
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** The novelization takes this UpToEleven in its description of the scene, describing the head as “jumbled in with a horrible assortment of charms and spells, monkey skulls, dried spiders and other things Dorothy did not want to even imagine.” ''Yikes''.

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** The novelization takes this Taken UpToEleven in its description of the scene, describing novelization's depiction of events; the head is described as “jumbled in with a horrible assortment of charms and spells, monkey skulls, dried spiders and other things Dorothy did not want to even imagine.” ''Yikes''.
22nd May '17 9:58:23 PM Nakayama90
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** The novelization takes this UpToEleven in its description of the scene, describing it as “jumbled in with a horrible assortment of charms and spells, monkey skulls, dried spiders and other things Dorothy did not want to even imagine.” ''Yikes''.

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** The novelization takes this UpToEleven in its description of the scene, describing it the head as “jumbled in with a horrible assortment of charms and spells, monkey skulls, dried spiders and other things Dorothy did not want to even imagine.” ''Yikes''.
22nd May '17 9:57:36 PM Nakayama90
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** The novelization takes this UpToEleven in its description of the scene, describing it as “jumbled in with a horrible assortment of charms and spells, monkey skulls, dried spiders and other things Dorothy did not want to even imagine.” ''Yikes''.
7th May '17 6:26:51 AM AdelePotter
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* Dorothy and the mysterious girl escaping from the hospital, and winding up getting swept up in a river during a terrible storm. Dorothy only survives because the girl helps her climb onto the porch, which broke off the hospital and wound up floating in the water, and use it as a raft. [[NothingIsScarier The girl herself just vanishes beneath the water]]... [[spoiler:Don't worry, she's okay. But that still must have been terrifying for Dorothy, who, as far as she knows, just watched a child and her only ally die.]]
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