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** In the edited version, Joker gives Tim the laughing gas gun and tells him to "make [Batman] one of us." However, Batman's voice easily breaks through Tim's mind, and he tosses the gun away and pushes Joker into a room with two tanks of water; the Clown Prince of Crime gets knocked into one, gets soaking wet, and tries going after Tim, but he slips and turns on the electrode machine. The scene immediately cuts to the outside of the room (providing us with a ReactionShot from Barbara), ''[[ScreamDiscretionShot where his horrifying death scream is heard]]!'' Nothing says it's NightmareFuel [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids for kids]] like this one! And you thought the film developers were trying to make things any easier. It doesn't.
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** In the edited version, Joker gives Tim the laughing gas gun and tells him to "make [Batman] one of us." However, Batman's voice easily breaks through Tim's mind, and he tosses the gun away and pushes Joker into a the very room with he tortured Tim in for three agonizing weeks. Joker tries to resist, but Tim is able to overpower him and shoves him again, this time into one of the two tanks of water; water used to conduct the electric shocks. The Clown Prince of Crime gets knocked into one, gets Crime, soaking wet, wet and with an expression of utter fury on his face, tries going after Tim, but he slips and and, in his haste to grab something to cushion his fall, accidentally turns on the electrode machine.machine he used to torture Tim, sealing his fate. The scene immediately cuts to the outside of the room (providing us with a ReactionShot from Barbara), ''[[ScreamDiscretionShot where his horrifying death scream is heard]]!'' Nothing says it's NightmareFuel [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids for kids]] like this one! And you thought the film developers were trying to make things any easier. It doesn't.
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Batman's greatest enemy has arisen from the dead for one final jeer at the Caped Crusader, and this time, he's [[CompleteMonster more depraved]] [[[FromBadToWorse than before]].
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Batman's greatest enemy has arisen from the dead for one final jeer at the Caped Crusader, and this time, he's [[CompleteMonster more depraved]] [[[FromBadToWorse [[FromBadToWorse than before]].
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Batman's greatest enemy has arisen from the dead for one final jeer at the Caped Crusader, and this time, he's [[ CompleteMonster [[CompleteMonster more depraved]] [[[[FromBadToWorse [[[FromBadToWorse than before]].
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Batman's archenemy has returned from the grave for one last laugh at the Dark Knight's expense, and this time, he's [[FromBadToWorse than viler than ever]].
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Batman's worst enemy is back from the dead for one last laugh. And this time, he's [[FromBadToWorse worse than ever.]]
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Batman's worst enemy is back from the dead and [[FromBadToWorse worse than ever.]]
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** The uncut version has Joker get the upper hand on Batman through a surprise knife attack, slashing his chest and stabbing it ''deep'' into his leg, enough so that it gets lodged in there and causes Batman to loudly cry out in pain. Made even worse by the fact that this is all but stated to be the reason for Bruce's limp in the present day.
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** This scene is made even worse by the fact that Joker spends most of it with [[FaceFramedInShadow his face hidden in shadow]], with the only parts consistently visible being his [[SlasherSmile signature grin]] and [[RedEyesTakeWarning blood red pupils]].
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* That scene where the Joker comes out of the floor at Wayne Enterprises and smiles at Bruce. Think about it this way. The nightmares that Bruce must’ve had about the Joker that’s enough to drive anybody insane because, let’s be honest, the Joker’s face alone could give you nightmares. It’s most certainly not a pretty face. In fact, it’s pretty damn terrifying when in the right circumstances.
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* The Joker in general in this film. In most other DCAU interpretations, especially with Mark Hamill voicing him, he's over the top, laughs a lot, and has a quirky air about him. In this movie? Joker is ''considerably'' colder, darker and more cruel than you'd expect. He laughs a ''lot'' less than he usually does. Hell, when he first shows up, he doesn't even laugh, and speaks in a low and cold tone of voice for the majority of the scene. Even the very few who weren't shaken by his appearance in ''Phantasm'' will very easily be disturbed by him. Given that Hamill's Joker is very easily characterized by how over the top and expressive he is, to hear him limiting that to a select few moments is legitimately disturbing.
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-->'''Joker:''' We couldn't [adopt] legally, but then we remembered you always had a few spare kids hanging around. ''So we borrowed one...''
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-->'''Joker:''' But all too soon, the serums and the shocks took their toll, and the dear lad began to share such secrets with me... secrets that are mine alone to know... ''[[WhamLine Bruce]]''.
** We do kinda know that this line is coming, though, as [[{{Foreshadowing}} it's hinted at twice earlier]], first when Joker and his gang crash the party at Wayne Enterprises, and Bruce sees him for the first time in 40 years.
--->'''Bruce:''' [[ThisCannotBe It can't be...]]
--->'''Joker:''' Oh, no. Your old eyes do not deceive you, Brucie! After all, who'd know me better than ''you''?
** And then all our fears are horrifyingly confirmed when Joker invades the Batcave and says the two words to Bruce we never wanted to hear:
--->'''Joker:''' Hello... ''[[WhamLine Batman]]''. ''[EvilLaugh]''
** We do kinda know that this line is coming, though, as [[{{Foreshadowing}} it's hinted at twice earlier]], first when Joker and his gang crash the party at Wayne Enterprises, and Bruce sees him for the first time in 40 years.
--->'''Bruce:''' [[ThisCannotBe It can't be...]]
--->'''Joker:''' Oh, no. Your old eyes do not deceive you, Brucie! After all, who'd know me better than ''you''?
** And then all our fears are horrifyingly confirmed when Joker invades the Batcave and says the two words to Bruce we never wanted to hear:
--->'''Joker:''' Hello... ''[[WhamLine Batman]]''. ''[EvilLaugh]''
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-->'''Joker:''' It's true, Batsy. I know everything. And kinda like the kid who peeks at his Christmas presents, I must admit it's sadly anti-climactic. Behind all the sturm and Batarangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit '''''crying for mommy and daddy!''''' It'd be funny it weren't so pathetic... '''''Ah, what the heck, I'll laugh anyway!'''''
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-->'''Harley:''' Okay, so he roughed the kid up a little! But I'll make it right!\\
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** Doubles as TearJerker when you realize this is a CallBack to Terry's origin as Batman. He came home to a similar scene one night and found his father inside, brutally murdered. The killer may even have painted/[[GlasgowSmile carved a smile]] on Warren [=McGinnis=]' face ''a la'' [[Film/TheDarkKnight Heath Ledger's Joker]] (it was meant to look like an attack by a gang of Jokerz). Terry's whispered "Please, God, no." says it all.
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** Doubles as TearJerker when you realize this is a CallBack to Terry's origin as Batman. He came home to a similar scene one night and found his father inside, brutally murdered. The killer may even have painted/[[GlasgowSmile carved a smile]] on Warren [=McGinnis=]' face ''a la'' [[Film/TheDarkKnight Heath Ledger's Joker]] (it was meant to look like an attack by a gang of Jokerz). Terry's whispered "Please, God, no." no…" says it all.
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--> '''Barbara''': With his last act of cruelty the Joker had tainted us all with compromise and deception. I guess he had the last laugh after all.
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--->'''Tim:''' Fun and games. Boy Wonder playing the hero. Fighting the bad guys, and no one ever gets... Oh, ''God.'' I killed him. I didn't mean to. I tried so hard to forget, but I still hear the shot. Still see his dead smile! Every night the dreams get stronger. He's there when I sleep, whispering, '''LAUGHING''', telling me I'm just as bad as he is! ''We're both the same!''\\
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--->'''Tim:''' Fun and games. Boy Wonder playing the hero. Fighting the bad guys, and no one ever gets... Oh, ''God.'' I ''God''. ''I killed him.him''. I didn't mean to. I tried so hard to forget, but I still hear the shot. Still see his dead smile! Every night the dreams get stronger. He's there when I sleep, whispering, '''LAUGHING''', telling me I'm just as bad as he is! ''We're both the same!''\\
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* Some viewers of this movie might be wondering why the opening credits feel so, empty, with nothing but a black screen and flashing text. There exists a deleted version of an abandoned opening title sequence intended to play alongside the remixed opening of the Batman Beyond theme. From start to finish, this opening is NightmareFuel as credits pan across blood cells, cranial nerves and collections of dendrites and neurons. To make it worse, it also reveals a microchip forcefully inserted into a human brain complete with nanowires feeding into it. As it turns out, this is foreshadowing as [[FridgeHorror we are getting an inside look at the Joker's nanochip that was forced inside Tim Drake]] during the former's torture sequence done to brainwash him. This was likely deemed to be disturbing enough that it had to be cut altogether. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpLJFsfWws It has to be seen to be believed.]][[note]]An additional reason for why this was ultimately cut is that it spoils the Joker's return and therefore makes the twist noticeably less surprising[[/note]]
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* Some viewers of this movie might be wondering why the opening credits feel so, empty, with nothing but a black screen and flashing text. There exists a deleted version of an abandoned opening title sequence intended to play alongside the remixed opening of the Batman Beyond theme. From start to finish, this opening is NightmareFuel as credits pan across blood cells, cranial nerves and collections of dendrites and neurons. To make it worse, it also reveals a microchip forcefully inserted into a human brain complete with nanowires feeding into it. As it turns out, this is foreshadowing as [[FridgeHorror we are getting an inside look at the Joker's nanochip that was forced inside Tim Drake]] during the former's torture sequence done to brainwash him. This was likely deemed to be disturbing enough that it had to be cut altogether. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpLJFsfWws com/watch?v=2c9RauZ_1W8 It has to be seen to be believed.]][[note]]An additional reason for why this was ultimately cut is that it spoils the Joker's return and therefore makes the twist noticeably less surprising[[/note]]
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** The uncut version is even more terrifying: Joker tosses the [[BangFlagGun "Bang!" Flag Spear Gun]] to Tim, then pulls Batman high as his trophy and says, "Make Daddy proud. Deliver the punchline." Besides his chilling voice, Tim giggles like a maniac and, if you've seen the scene with Bonk, you know what's gonna happen: He pulls the trigger once and the "Bang!" flag pops up. When Batman tries to calm him down with "Tim...", he keeps giggling and doesn't calm down very easily, only more slowly than the edited version. The giggling seems to increase in intensity as Tim cannot actually lower the gun, ultimately pointing it back at Batman. The NightmareFuel starts getting higher and higher as Joker, the blood still on his mouth, loudly barks out, '''''"DO IT!!!"''''' with a horrible smile of triumph on his face. And the creepy music starts escalating UpToEleven as Tim laughs more loudly and is about to pull the trigger as if this were the end of Batman. But once the boy finally fires the gun...the projectile doesn't hit Batman at all. Instead, it hits Joker in his chest, sending him flying across the room onto the giant building blocks. Tim couldn't actually stop himself, only having just enough willpower to aim the gun away from Batman at the last possible moment. Gasping weakly, the Joker mutters out his {{iron|y}}ic last words: "That's not funny... [-that's not...-]" The NightmareFuel finishes off with his dying gargle as he gets choked up in blood, and then his body falling lifelessly onto the floor as the projectile is driven into his chest. Truly a FamilyUnfriendlyDeath that's less scary than the edited version, but still...
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** The uncut version is even more terrifying: Joker tosses the [[BangFlagGun "Bang!" Flag Spear Gun]] to Tim, then pulls Batman high as his trophy and says, "Make Daddy proud. Deliver the punchline." Besides his chilling voice, Tim giggles like a maniac and, if you've seen the scene with Bonk, you know what's gonna happen: He pulls the trigger once and the "Bang!" flag pops up. When Batman tries to calm him down with "Tim...", he keeps giggling and doesn't calm down very easily, only more slowly than the edited version. The giggling seems to increase in intensity as Tim cannot actually lower the gun, ultimately pointing it back at Batman. The NightmareFuel starts getting higher and higher as Joker, the blood still on his mouth, loudly barks out, '''''"DO IT!!!"''''' with a horrible smile of triumph on his face. And the creepy music starts escalating UpToEleven up to eleven as Tim laughs more loudly and is about to pull the trigger as if this were the end of Batman. But once the boy finally fires the gun...the projectile doesn't hit Batman at all. Instead, it hits Joker in his chest, sending him flying across the room onto the giant building blocks. Tim couldn't actually stop himself, only having just enough willpower to aim the gun away from Batman at the last possible moment. Gasping weakly, the Joker mutters out his {{iron|y}}ic last words: "That's not funny... [-that's not...-]" The NightmareFuel finishes off with his dying gargle as he gets choked up in blood, and then his body falling lifelessly onto the floor as the projectile is driven into his chest. Truly a FamilyUnfriendlyDeath that's less scary than the edited version, but still...
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* The fact that, despite voicing Joker for nearly a decade by this point, Creator/MarkHamill actually felt uncomfortable voicing him in this film. Let's put that in perspective. In the original series, Joker repeatedly killed people in droves, abused his girlfriend, stalked a guy for years on end, and created Joker Venom which is basically NightmareFuel in gas form. All of which was turned UpToEleven in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm''. And yet [[MoralEventHorizon what Joker did]] in this movie unnerved his voice actor.
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* The fact that, despite voicing Joker for nearly a decade by this point, Creator/MarkHamill actually felt uncomfortable voicing him in this film. Let's put that in perspective. In the original series, Joker repeatedly killed people in droves, abused his girlfriend, stalked a guy for years on end, and created Joker Venom which is basically NightmareFuel in gas form. All of which was turned UpToEleven up to eleven in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm''. And yet [[MoralEventHorizon what Joker did]] in this movie unnerved his voice actor.
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*** Barbara's tired tone when she tells Terry they never found Harley's body, "but I doubt she would be causing trouble now". There's regret, a bit of loathing, and frustration at how the tragedy went that she knew Harley could have been a better person. You could tell Barbara wants to tell Terry to find Harley and kick her ass, but it would be wrong because hurting an old lady wouldn't fix the damage.
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*** Barbara's tired tone when she tells Terry they never found Harley's body, "but I doubt she would be causing trouble now". There's regret, a bit of loathing, and frustration at how the tragedy went that she knew Harley could have been a better person. You could tell Barbara wants to tell Terry to find Harley and kick her ass, but it would be wrong because hurting an old lady wouldn't fix the damage.
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* Some viewers of this movie might be wondering why the opening credits feel so, empty, with nothing but a black screen and flashing text. There exists a deleted version of an abandoned opening title sequence intended to play alongside the remixed opening of the Batman Beyond theme. From start to finish, this opening is NightmareFuel as credits pan across blood cells, cranial nerves and collections of dendrites and neurons. To make it worse, it also reveals a microchip forcefully inserted into a human brain complete with nanowires feeding into it. As it turns out,[[spoiler:this is foreshadowing as [[FridgeHorror we are getting an inside look at the Joker's nanochip that was forced inside Tim Drake]] during the former's torture sequence done to brainwash him.]] This was likely deemed to be disturbing enough that it had to be cut altogether. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpLJFsfWws It has to be seen to be believed.]][[note]]An additional reason for why this was ultimately cut is that it spoils the Joker's return and therefore makes the twist noticeably less surprising[[/note]]
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* Some viewers of this movie might be wondering why the opening credits feel so, empty, with nothing but a black screen and flashing text. There exists a deleted version of an abandoned opening title sequence intended to play alongside the remixed opening of the Batman Beyond theme. From start to finish, this opening is NightmareFuel as credits pan across blood cells, cranial nerves and collections of dendrites and neurons. To make it worse, it also reveals a microchip forcefully inserted into a human brain complete with nanowires feeding into it. As it turns out,[[spoiler:this out, this is foreshadowing as [[FridgeHorror we are getting an inside look at the Joker's nanochip that was forced inside Tim Drake]] during the former's torture sequence done to brainwash him.]] him. This was likely deemed to be disturbing enough that it had to be cut altogether. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpLJFsfWws It has to be seen to be believed.]][[note]]An additional reason for why this was ultimately cut is that it spoils the Joker's return and therefore makes the twist noticeably less surprising[[/note]]
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*** It goes further than just ''meaning'' to do it. When Batman is first tied up by Harley's bazooka, he does what you'd expect Batman to do: flip out a knife from a compartment in his glove and start sawing away at the threads. But when "Joker Jr." is revealed and [[AdultFear Bruce sees what Joker's done to Tim]], he snaps his bonds with a roar of rage and ''hurls the knife straight at Joker's face.'' Joker [[NonchalantDodge calmly ducks the knife]] and only ''now'' does he [[EvilLaugh start laughing]]. Because no matter what happened next, '''''[[TheBadGuyWins Joker won]]'''''; [[BatmanGrabsAGun Batman finally snapped and tried to kill him.]]
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*** It goes further than just ''meaning'' to do it. When Batman is first tied up by Harley's bazooka, he does what you'd expect Batman to do: flip out a knife from a compartment in his glove and start sawing away at the threads. But when "Joker Jr." is revealed and [[AdultFear Bruce sees what Joker's done to Tim]], Tim, he snaps his bonds with a roar of rage and ''hurls the knife straight at Joker's face.'' Joker [[NonchalantDodge calmly ducks the knife]] and only ''now'' does he [[EvilLaugh start laughing]]. Because no matter what happened next, '''''[[TheBadGuyWins Joker won]]'''''; [[BatmanGrabsAGun Batman finally snapped and tried to kill him.]]
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'''Harley:''' ''[grabs a boulder to bash Batgirl in the head with]'' You'll see... ''[[FauxAffablyEvil we'll be one big happy family!]]''\\
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'''Harley:''' ''[grabs a boulder to bash Batgirl in the head with]'' You'll see... ''[[FauxAffablyEvil we'll be one big happy family!]]''
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'''Harley:''' ''[grabs a boulder to bash Batgirl in the head with]'' You'll see... ''[[FauxAffablyEvil we'll be one big happy family!]]''family!]]''\\
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* Batman and Batgirl cautiously entering the abandoned Arkham Asylum, with the echos of a woman's [[DissonantSerenity dissonantly calm]] voice singing "Hush Little Baby" all through the dark hallways. If this scene came without a prelude to hint that it was Harley who was still her usual self, it would have been very haunting.
* Anything involving Joker, particularly the following quote, which is positively ''chilling''...
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* ''Everything'' involving the flashback, possibly the most horrific, vile and terrifying thing to ever happen in the entirety of the DCAU.
** Batman and Batgirl cautiously entering the abandoned Arkham Asylum, with the echos of a woman's [[DissonantSerenity dissonantly calm]] voice singing "Hush Little Baby" all through the dark hallways. If this scene came without a prelude to hint that it was Harley who was still her usual self, it would have been very haunting.
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** Batman and Batgirl cautiously entering the abandoned Arkham Asylum, with the echos of a woman's [[DissonantSerenity dissonantly calm]] voice singing "Hush Little Baby" all through the dark hallways. If this scene came without a prelude to hint that it was Harley who was still her usual self, it would have been very haunting.
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* The way Batman just growls "I'll break you in two" at Joker. ''[[OOCIsSeriousBusiness You know he means it.]]''
** It goes further than just ''meaning'' to do it. When Batman is first tied up by Harley's bazooka, he does what you'd expect Batman to do: flip out a knife from a compartment in his glove and start sawing away at the threads. But when "Joker Jr." is revealed and [[AdultFear Bruce sees what Joker's done to Tim]], he snaps his bonds with a roar of rage and ''hurls the knife straight at Joker's face.'' Joker [[NonchalantDodge calmly ducks the knife]] and only ''now'' does he [[EvilLaugh start laughing]]. Because no matter what happened next, '''''[[TheBadGuyWins Joker won]]'''''; [[BatmanGrabsAGun Batman finally snapped and tried to kill him.]]
** The soundtrack, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OaKX9gnKVM Joker Family Portrait]]", makes it all the worse. While it starts off as a light and bouncy, if somewhat morbid, riff on '50s sitcom themes, complete with MickeyMousing, then everything stops dead with a sudden low piano chord as Tim is revealed StrappedToAnOperatingTable. As both he and Joker begin to laugh uncontrollably, the horns play a DarkReprise of the earlier "family" {{leitmotif}}. Worst of all is [[HellIsThatNoise the high, screaming electric guitar notes]], apparently created with the vibrations from a music box.
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** It goes further than just ''meaning'' to do it. When Batman is first tied up by Harley's bazooka, he does what you'd expect Batman to do: flip out a knife from a compartment in his glove and start sawing away at the threads. But when "Joker Jr." is revealed and [[AdultFear Bruce sees what Joker's done to Tim]], he snaps his bonds with a roar of rage and ''hurls the knife straight at Joker's face.'' Joker [[NonchalantDodge calmly ducks the knife]] and only ''now'' does he [[EvilLaugh start laughing]]. Because no matter what happened next, '''''[[TheBadGuyWins Joker won]]'''''; [[BatmanGrabsAGun Batman finally snapped and tried to kill him.]]
** The soundtrack, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OaKX9gnKVM Joker Family Portrait]]", makes it all the worse. While it starts off as a light and bouncy, if somewhat morbid, riff on '50s sitcom themes, complete with MickeyMousing, then everything stops dead with a sudden low piano chord as Tim is revealed StrappedToAnOperatingTable. As both he and Joker begin to laugh uncontrollably, the horns play a DarkReprise of the earlier "family" {{leitmotif}}. Worst of all is [[HellIsThatNoise the high, screaming electric guitar notes]], apparently created with the vibrations from a music box.
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* Tim himself after what Joker does to him. Everything about "Little J" is just ''wrong''; the stooped, awkward gait; [[SlasherSmile the permanent (and probably surgical) rictus grin]]; [[ThousandYardStare the psychotic wide-eyed stare]], and that '''[[HellIsThatNoise laugh]]'''! Heck, [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/dcmovies/images/2/27/Joker_Jr..jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120617191154 just take a look for yourself]]!
* Joker's MindRape of Tim is considered such a monstrous MoralEventHorizon at this point that even ''Harley Quinn'' isn't forgiven for helping him with it; she seemingly gets KilledOffForReal for it[[note]]She survived, though, partly because of Poison Ivy giving her a HealingFactor and partly because [[CreatorsFavorite one of the creators of the series favors her]][[/note]]. And despite the implication that she genuinely cared about Tim, she's still particularly terrifying this time around, especially with her cheerfully blase attitude towards what Joker did to Tim and how enthusiastic she is about trying to murder Batgirl.
* Joker's MindRape of Tim is considered such a monstrous MoralEventHorizon at this point that even ''Harley Quinn'' isn't forgiven for helping him with it; she seemingly gets KilledOffForReal for it[[note]]She survived, though, partly because of Poison Ivy giving her a HealingFactor and partly because [[CreatorsFavorite one of the creators of the series favors her]][[/note]]. And despite the implication that she genuinely cared about Tim, she's still particularly terrifying this time around, especially with her cheerfully blase attitude towards what Joker did to Tim and how enthusiastic she is about trying to murder Batgirl.
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** The idea that Harley genuinely wanted a family actually makes her part in the situation even more horrific if you think about it. She was perfectly willing to help Joker sacrifice an innocent boy's sanity for the sake of having a child of her own and shows no objections to it at all.
** To a lesser extent, this flashback marked the end of Harley's chances at redemption, at least in the Bat-family's eyes. She tried so hard in the original series to go straight but couldn't kick her love for the Joker or her paranoia that the world hated her. Batman helped when he could, hearing her out and calming her down when seeing she was tortured at Arkham. After this night, it's implied Harley goes straight without the Joker's influence but never resurfaces again, knowing that Batman and Batgirl would never forgive her. There's no apology, no water under the bridge because Tim is permanently traumatized and nothing Harley can do would make up for that. LaserGuidedKarma got to her; Joker recruited her granddaughters, who were Jokerz gang members and had inherited "Nana Harley's" murderous intent.
** Barbara's tired tone when she tells Terry they never found Harley's body, "but I doubt she would be causing trouble now". There's regret, a bit of loathing, and frustration at how the tragedy went that she knew Harley could have been a better person. You could tell Barbara wants to tell Terry to find Harley and kick her ass, but it would be wrong because hurting an old lady wouldn't fix the damage.
** To a lesser extent, this flashback marked the end of Harley's chances at redemption, at least in the Bat-family's eyes. She tried so hard in the original series to go straight but couldn't kick her love for the Joker or her paranoia that the world hated her. Batman helped when he could, hearing her out and calming her down when seeing she was tortured at Arkham. After this night, it's implied Harley goes straight without the Joker's influence but never resurfaces again, knowing that Batman and Batgirl would never forgive her. There's no apology, no water under the bridge because Tim is permanently traumatized and nothing Harley can do would make up for that. LaserGuidedKarma got to her; Joker recruited her granddaughters, who were Jokerz gang members and had inherited "Nana Harley's" murderous intent.
** Barbara's tired tone when she tells Terry they never found Harley's body, "but I doubt she would be causing trouble now". There's regret, a bit of loathing, and frustration at how the tragedy went that she knew Harley could have been a better person. You could tell Barbara wants to tell Terry to find Harley and kick her ass, but it would be wrong because hurting an old lady wouldn't fix the damage.
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** Not only does this scene work as further foreshadowing that Joker knows Bruce's identity, but it also explains why Bruce -who was in disbelief that Joker was truly back- is now urgently synthesizing the antidote to the Joker's toxin; Until then, even if he had been cautious enough to get Terry out of the Joker's way, Bruce wasn't fully convinced this Joker was the real deal, but seeing a clearly recent (as indicated by Joker's use of the current batsuit) threat placed at the site where only FIVE people knew just what had happened, it became frighteningly clear: no matter how it's even possible, this IS The Joker...and Bruce Wayne is next.
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* A scene, shown only in storyboards as a bonus on the DVD, shows Terry -after he's been fired as Batman- following Bruce to an abandoned Arkham Asylum. Bruce enters, slowly walking through the dark, run down remains of the infernal building, and stops, visibly unnerved, at a grisly, torn-down operating theater with some clownish decorations... (where we know all too well just what happened several decades earlier) As he painfully reminisces what happened in that ungodly hall, he looks up and freaks out at some unseen horror, storming out like a bat out of hell, barely missing Terry. Confused, Terry enters the room and, looking up, he sees a wretched ragdoll made to look like HIS batsuit, wearing a wicked painted smile, and with two -if we understand the context- utterly chilling words written on it: I KNOW. Even in its crude format, this scene's images of Arkham Asylum's silent, decaying halls and the Batman puppet are downright terrifying, doubly so when you understand this is a place where such twisted things happened that even the former Batman is scared.
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Batman's worst enemy is back from the dead and [[FromBadToWorse worse than ever.]]
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-->'''Joker:''' We couldn't [adopt] legally, of course, but then we remembered you always had a few spare kids hanging around. ''So we borrowed one...''
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-->'''Joker:''' We couldn't [adopt] legally, of course, but then we remembered you always had a few spare kids hanging around. ''So we borrowed one...''
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** The background music that accompanies this terrifying flashback scene, "Arkham Mayhem," is almost all NightmareFuel and part TearJerker. Give it a listen...''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YraQ5MaR2EY if you dare]]''!
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** The background music BackgroundMusic that accompanies this terrifying flashback scene, "Arkham Mayhem," is almost all NightmareFuel and part TearJerker. Give it a listen...''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YraQ5MaR2EY if you dare]]''!
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** The soundtrack, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OaKX9gnKVM Joker Family Portrait]]", makes it all the worse. While it starts off as a light and bouncy, if somewhat morbid, riff on 50's sitcom themes, complete with MickeyMousing, then everything stops dead with a sudden low piano chord as Tim is revealed StrappedToAnOperatingTable. As both he and Joker begin to laugh uncontrollably, the horns play a DarkReprise of the earlier "family" {{leitmotif}}. Worst of all is [[HellIsThatNoise the high, screaming electric guitar notes]], apparently created with the vibrations from a music box.
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** The soundtrack, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OaKX9gnKVM Joker Family Portrait]]", makes it all the worse. While it starts off as a light and bouncy, if somewhat morbid, riff on 50's '50s sitcom themes, complete with MickeyMousing, then everything stops dead with a sudden low piano chord as Tim is revealed StrappedToAnOperatingTable. As both he and Joker begin to laugh uncontrollably, the horns play a DarkReprise of the earlier "family" {{leitmotif}}. Worst of all is [[HellIsThatNoise the high, screaming electric guitar notes]], apparently created with the vibrations from a music box.
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-->'''Joker:''' But all too soon, the serums and the shocks took their toll, and the dear lad began to share such secrets with me...secrets that are mine alone to know... ''[[WhamLine Bruce]]''.
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-->'''Joker:''' But all too soon, the serums and the shocks took their toll, and the dear lad began to share such secrets with me... secrets that are mine alone to know... ''[[WhamLine Bruce]]''.
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'''Harley:''' ''[grabs a boulder to bash Batgirl in the head with]'' You'll see...''[[FauxAffablyEvil we'll be one big happy family!]]''
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'''Harley:''' ''[grabs a boulder to bash Batgirl in the head with]'' You'll see... ''[[FauxAffablyEvil we'll be one big happy family!]]''
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--->'''Bruce:''' ''[eyes wide in shock as he watches on the Batcomputer]'' My...''God''...
* Joker's VillainousBreakdown. Imagine, if you will, as Joker's usual demeanor is chipped away piece by piece as Terry openly mocks him to try and catch him off-guard. First, he gets snappy, which isn't so bad. Then he screams "'''''[[PretenderDiss YOU'RE NOT BATMAN!]]'''''" and completely loses it, and manages to swing a table at Terry...a little surprising. Pinning Terry down with the table, standing on top of it, yanking the mask off, and proceeding to strangle Terry, producing one of his most insane laughs ever given, sounding more and more unhinged as he speaks? Downright scary, especially when you get a POV shot from Terry's eyes for a few seconds.
* Joker's VillainousBreakdown. Imagine, if you will, as Joker's usual demeanor is chipped away piece by piece as Terry openly mocks him to try and catch him off-guard. First, he gets snappy, which isn't so bad. Then he screams "'''''[[PretenderDiss YOU'RE NOT BATMAN!]]'''''" and completely loses it, and manages to swing a table at Terry...a little surprising. Pinning Terry down with the table, standing on top of it, yanking the mask off, and proceeding to strangle Terry, producing one of his most insane laughs ever given, sounding more and more unhinged as he speaks? Downright scary, especially when you get a POV shot from Terry's eyes for a few seconds.
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--->'''Bruce:''' ''[eyes wide in shock as he watches on the Batcomputer]'' My... ''God''...
* Joker's VillainousBreakdown. Imagine, if you will, as Joker's usual demeanor is chipped away piece by piece as Terry openly mocks him to try and catch him off-guard. First, he gets snappy, which isn't so bad. Then he screams"'''''[[PretenderDiss '''''"[[PretenderDiss YOU'RE NOT BATMAN!]]'''''" BATMAN!]]"''''' and completely loses it, and manages to swing a table at Terry...Terry... a little surprising. Pinning Terry down with the table, standing on top of it, yanking the mask off, and proceeding to strangle Terry, producing one of his most insane laughs ever given, sounding more and more unhinged as he speaks? Downright scary, especially when you get a POV shot from Terry's eyes for a few seconds.
* Joker's VillainousBreakdown. Imagine, if you will, as Joker's usual demeanor is chipped away piece by piece as Terry openly mocks him to try and catch him off-guard. First, he gets snappy, which isn't so bad. Then he screams
