History NeverLiveItDown / ComicBooks

** Within the wider ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fandom, Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her debut in ''WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM'' -- a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]] -- tends to attract a significant amount of attention and controversy, to the point of overshadowing the above and most of her other qualities. Much of it is due to the design in question being a product of the cartoon's EarlyAdaptationWeirdness; in the main games since ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', there is an [[PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales unspoken rule]] that accessory-only outfits are '''strictly''' limited to male characters, while every other female character is '''always''' fully clothed by default. This led to Sally's minimalistic outfit becoming [[NonStandardCharacterDesign increasingly unorthodox]] in the eyes of mainstream fans -- especially as the comics's art style began to resemble the games more closely -- until she is now ([[CommonKnowledge mistakenly]]) known as the sole female character in the entire franchise who broke the "dress code", despite the comic reboot giving her a fully-dressed redesign to fully match the games in terms of character design. [[note]] In fact, it's for this reason that one of the many trope pages exiled to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, which dealt with the same phenomenon already covered by NeverLiveItDown, was [[TropeNamers titled]] "Naked Sally" and "Sally Was The Naked One."[[/note]]

** However, Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her debut in ''WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM'' -- a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]] -- tends to draw a significant amount of attention and controversy from the wider ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fandom because of how jarringly unorthodox it is by the franchise's standards, depite such a minimal amount of clothing being standard fare for {{Funny Animal}}s anywhere else. Outside of alternate ''Sonic'' media such as this one, accessory-only outfits are '''strictly''' limited to male characters, and every other female character is '''always''' fully clothed by default, making Sally [[NonStandardCharacterDesign stick out like a sore thumb]] in the eyes of mainstream fans. (It doesn't help that her boots and jacket are a product of EarlyAdaptationWeirdness.) As a result, she is mostly known as the sole female character who broke the PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design convention that the franchise is known for ([[CommonKnowledge even though she wasn't the only one to do this in the comics]]), often overshadowing her other qualities. It says a lot that Sally was the TropeNamer for one of the many trope pages exiled to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, which covered a topic similar to NeverLiveItDown.

** However, Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her debut in ''WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM'' -- a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]] -- tends to draw a significant amount of attention and controversy from the wider ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fandom because of how jarringly unorthodox it is by the franchise's standards, depite such a minimal amount of clothing being standard fare for {{Funny Animal}}s anywhere else. Outside of alternate ''Sonic'' media such as this one, accessory-only outfits are '''strictly''' limited to male characters, and every other female character is '''always''' fully clothed by default, making Sally [[NonStandardCharacterDesign stick out like a sore thumb]] in the eyes of mainstream fans. (It doesn't help that her boots and jacket are a product of EarlyAdaptationWeirdness.) As a result, she is mostly remembered as the sole female character who broke the PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design convention that the franchise is known for, [[CommonKnowledge even though she wasn't the only one to do this in the comics]]. It says a lot that Sally was the TropeNamer for one of the many trope pages exiled to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, which covered a topic similar to NeverLiveItDown.

** However, Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]] -- a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]], with her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] left perfectly bare -- overshadows much of the above due to being a product of EarlyAdaptationWeirdness. Despite such an small degree of clothing being standard fare for {{Funny Animal}}s in any other media, Sally's outfit tends to draw a significant amount of attention and controversy from the wider ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fandom because of how unorthodox it is for the franchise's standards; as far as the games are concerned, shoes-and-gloves-only outfits or similar are '''strictly''' limited to male characters, and every other female character is '''always''' fully clothed by default. As a result, many people today mostly remember Sally as the sole female character who broke the PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, and the other, more obscure female characters who also did this are rarely mentioned outside of the Archie comic's fandom. It says a lot that Sally was the TropeNamer for one of the many trope pages exiled to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, whose subject was the same as this trope.

** However, Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]] -- a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]], with her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] left perfectly bare -- overshadows much of the above due to being a product of EarlyAdaptationWeirdness. Despite such an small degree of clothing being standard fare for {{Funny Animal}}s in any other media, Sally's outfit drew a significant amount of attention and controversy from the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fandom because of how unorthodox it is for the franchise's standards; as far as the games are concerned, shoes-and-gloves-only outfits or similar are '''strictly''' limited to male characters, and female characters are all fully clothed by default. As a result, many people today mostly remember Sally as the sole female character who broke the PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, and the other, more obscure female characters who also did this are rarely mentioned outside of the Archie comic's fandom. It says a lot that Sally was the TropeNamer for one of the many trope pages exiled to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, whose subject was the same as this trope.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]]: a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]], with her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] left perfectly bare. Because of this, Sally has a well-known reputation as the first and only female character in ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' to ever violate its PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, even leaking into [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]] in the form of an article (currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub) named after her. [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics and other alternate media as well, but Sally is still easily the one example most people can think of.[[/note]] She is especially infamous among ''Sonic'' fans who are unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media; as the main games almost never deviate from the "dress code", said fans' initial reactions towards seeing Sally in her minimally-clothed design often range from confusion and discomfort to downright shock and disbelief, or even ''outrage''.

* Simon Furman, a well-respected writer known for his extensive ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' work, will never live down his... interesting ideas regarding the gender of Cybertronians or his attempt to "justify" Arcee being female. He asserts that Cybertronians are all genderless, and that they just use male pronouns because they do -- something that doesn't fly right with many to begin with -- and that Arcee used to be just like that, but was experimented on and given a forced gender reassignment, and this experiment turned her into a bloodthirsty psychopath. Needless to say, many were concerned what this story was saying about gender and transgender issues, as well as why it was so... weird. Eventually this was retconned away by later writers, and it was established that female Transformers ''do'' exist, and all new ''Transformers'' universes after said story have made female Cybertronians commonplace.

* The "Marcus Immortus" storyline for ComicBook/CarolDanvers from ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'' #200 [[note]]If you don't know the story, the short version is that Ms. Marvel was basically allowed to cheerfully run off with her extradimensional kidnapper {{Love Interest|s}} despite ''mind control'' being involved. The rest of the team really, ''really'' should have been concerned, but the writers of the story where it happened seemed to see it as her leaving with her one true love.[[/note]]. The fan backlash to this ensured that neither Marvel Comics nor the character would ever live it down, and it remains one of the biggest elements of her backstory to this day. ''Avengers Annual #10'' (itself best known today only as "the one where Rogue had her first appearance") allowed Carol to deliver a well-deserved WhatTheHellHero speech to the assembled Avengers for their nonchalant attitudes towards what had happened to her, as well as undoing the whole thing by having Marcus Immortus die within a week of returning to Limbo, after which Carol spent the rest of the year tinkering with his machinery to send herself back to Earth. [[note]]Apparently, the storyline in ''Avengers'' #200 did not sit well with Creator/ChrisClaremont -- he had created Ms. Marvel, and felt that her actions were out of character -- and he took the opportunity to put an AuthorFilibuster to it in the story. [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools Tropes Are Not Bad]], true believers![[/note]]

* Roy Harper, a.k.a. Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow, has narrowly skirted the edges of this trope. His most memorable moment was [[http://www.socalcomics.com/gl85fvf.jpg his 1971 battle with heroin addiction]]. While he hasn't lapsed ''back'' into addiction, the fact that he's a ''former'' junkie is a significant part of his backstory, and comes up regularly -- almost to the point of being a DisabilitySuperpower ("That was tough, but nothing compared to giving up drugs!"). An issue of ''Titans'' established that this actually wasn't the last time he did heroin, though, partially justifying the fact that it's constantly mentioned.

*** On the subject of Nightwing, he gets a rather unfair reputation as being a womanizer, despite having been involved in two different healthy and monogamous relationships at two different times in his life. It was in the second Nightwing Annual in which (in a flashback retcon) he slept with Barbara Gordon (after seeing her for the first time since her injury), and then proceeded to invite her to his wedding with Starfire. Prior to that, he was honest and committed in his relationships, and the notorious Dick-Kory-Babs love triangle was never a realization until that Annual.

** [[Comicbook/Batgirl2009 Stephanie Brown]] was killed by Black Mask (like Jason, a NeverLiveItDown moment for both), and her being regarded as 'incompetent'. Generally for most of her career, Steph was actually surprisingly competent, given her state and conditions. Her costume was, originally, VERY practical, especially compared to most female costumes at the time (So much so that Tim thought she was a dude when he first saw her) despite being completely hand made on a shoe-string budget, and while she lacked Tim's experience and training, [[ActionGirl she could handle herself well in a fight]], was roughly on his level physically, and was a fast thinker in a fight. However her best friend was [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Cassandra Cain]], and her goofy nature meant that she was often depicted as [[OvershadowedByAwesome comically out classed]] around her. Add in ''War Games'', where the entire plot is basically 'Steph's an idiot and she screws up big time' (and ignore the fact that the main reason Steph screwed up was because Batman didn't even trust her enough as Robin to tell her about his Matches Malone identity, among other massive details), she's pretty much left looking 'incompetent'.
*** Oh yeah, and her recent benching following ''Flashpoint'' and ''New 52'', she's probably not going to live down being 'the one whose fans sent waffles to DC's offices'.

* ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'':

* Frank Miller is usually remembered for writing prostitutes and "The Goddamn Batman." Thankfully, there are no plans to write a [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Goddamn prostitute Batman]]. The fact that Frank Miller used to write stories that could be low-key, poignant, or even tongue-in-cheek seems to have been forgotten by everyone, seemingly including Miller himself.

*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' offers an explanation for Bane's being a mountain of muscle in ''Asylum'', as well as a potential explanation for his not being as clever as in the comics. The game initially portrays him close to the comics, with a bulky but still realistic physique ''and'' smart enough to [[spoiler: figure out Batman's SecretIdentity, which he uses to [[AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs attack the Batcave]] and kill Alfred (Bruce manages to revive him)]]. Then in the final battle [[spoiler:Bane wants to beat Batman, and therefore injects himself with TN-1, an experimental "upgrade" of Venom (and the precursor to the Titan drug from ''Asylum''), which makes him grow into a giant but also damages his brain, especially his memory center.]]

** In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', Bane only uses Venom at a strategic point of the decisive fight, and is defeated when Batman ''opens'' the valve to his tank, severely overdosing him with the drug.
*** It seems to be played straight in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'', where Bane is a cripple on life support due to the Venom use, but once you take into account that he's in his eighties and the condition of other users after mere ''weeks''...
** ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' shows Bane to be a cunning tactician without the use of Venom. In his normal human form, he is even able to use his knowledge of martial arts to briefly overpower ComicBook/{{Superboy}} during a struggle. However, he does go down rather easy once Superboy and Miss Martian work together to beat him up, making it a bit of an inversion of the other examples; he's extremely intelligent, and is a BadassNormal, but he's obviously outclassed by the two super-powered aliens. But the fact that it took ''both'' of them says something about his durabilty.

** Though ironically this depiction has created ''another'' NeverLiveItDown for Bane, in the form of the voice that Tom Hardy used for him. The voice sounded dissonantly cheerful (due to the medication that the character was using), but proved divisive and quickly became a subject of mockery. Ever since, every less-serious take on the character has incorporated a parody of the voice.

** Also, when Bane appears in ''any'' sort of media that doesn't outright depict the scene in question, expect ''some'' reference to his "Breaking the Bat" moment in Knightfall. Probably the few times a character can't live down an ''achievement'' rather than a failure.

--->'''Prime:''' ''I'LL KILL YOU! I'LL KILL YOU TO DEATH!''

* This is often how [[ComicBook/MartianManhunter J'onn J'onzz]] feels about his time with the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational.
** Ironic in that previous to his ''International'' days, he had just come off of the "Detroit" League, which was one of the lowest points in the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica's history. One would think he would be more ashamed of that.
*** Most of them ''[[KillEmAll died at the end]]''.
* Comicbook/{{Aquaman}} has still to live down his portrayal on the ''WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}'', and comics writers frequently show people mocking him for his abilities just before he proves them wrong. There's really no reason people in the DC universe don't take him seriously except for carryover from ''Superfriends.'' As far as the mainstream goes, no matter what DC tries, parodies of Aquaman in shows like ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' and ''Series/TheAquabatsSuperShow'' will continue to perpetuate his reputation.
** This is on full display in the New 52's first issue of ''Aquaman''. Criminals and police alike are confused by Aquaman intervening in a non-water related crime. Patrons of a seafood restaurant are concerned to see him ordering fish. People confusing his ability to command sea creatures as 'talking to fish' is starting to wear on him too.

-->"[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRwB-C_hXqY Raven. If at first you succeed, try over and over to recapture it, and fail miserably.]]"

* Ted Kord, the second ComicBook/BlueBeetle, had a bit of a weight problem towards the end of the Giffen/[=DeMatthies=] run on ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and then there was a story in ''Justice League Quarterly'' #8 (March 1992) where he went on a diet and exercise regime and looked set to stick to it. And in the comics, that was that. In fandom he was "the FatSlob superhero" right up until he died (although some used his weight issues to make him more of TheWoobie).
** This weight problem is not forgotten by some authors either, as it was referenced in Chuck Dixon's run on "Birds of Prey" and in "Countdown to Infinite Crisis" when Ted reflects on his past.

* Given all the jokes that both the internet [[ComicBook/TinyTitans and DC themselves]] have been making about it, it's pretty obvious that {{Franchise/Superman}} isn't going to live down how [[ComicBook/TheNew52 his more]] [[Film/ManOfSteel recent costumes]] lack his classic UnderwearOfPower.
* People will probably never forget the time that New 52 ComicBook/HarleyQuinn slaughtered hundreds of innocent adults and [[WouldHurtAChild children]] by having bombs hidden in handheld video game machines. It was [[CrossingTheLineTwice so deplorable]] and so beyond the lighter tone and characterisation of Harley's solo title that began soon afterwards, that it became FanonDiscontinuity almost immediately. However, it is still constantly brought up, right down to the story being included in the character's "best of" TPB in 2015.
* ComicBook/{{Zatanna}} [[MindRape mind wiping]] Doctor Light to [[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood make him less dangerous]], and then mind wiping [[spoiler:Franchise/{{Batman}}]], in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' has become this. It's got to the point that before the 2011 reboot that every single one of Zatanna's main appearances referenced her mind wiping. First issue of Gotham Girls even had Poison Ivy call her "Miss Mindwipe." Zatanna will ONLY ever be known FOR the mind wipes.
* Writer Ron Marz will '''never''' live down killing off Kyle Rayner's girlfriend Alex and having her body stuffed into a refrigerator, the original TropeNamer for StuffedInTheFridge. Even though the death of a loved one, male or female, to give a hero's backstory more tragedy was already an old trope when he did it in the early Nineties.
** It was in no small part due to Creator/GailSimone and her website "Women In Refrigerators" that was used as a rallying cry against what was perceived as sexism in comic books. Then later, Simone and Marz met and actually became somewhat good friends... and now some people will never let Simone live down the fact that she railed against Marz and the character death. Not only supporters of Marz, but those who felt that Simone betrayed her past actions by associating herself with a man who would do such a thing and sold out.

* No matter how he might top himself in pure despicableness, Lex Luthor is best known among geeks for stealing 40 cakes--that's as many as four tens!--in an incident that would become the TropeNamer for AndThatsTerrible.
* [[ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica The JSA]] will likely never escape jokes about how how their first female member, ComicBook/WonderWoman, was relegated to the role of their secretary.

* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]] suffered a mental breakdown–induced FaceHeelTurn, which included him attacking an enemy (who was about to surrender) from behind and trying to release a murderous robot upon his fellow Avengers so he could look like a hero when he defeated it. When his wife Jan tried to stop him, he struck her, which was actually meant to be an accident according to the writer. The majority of both writers and fans alike ignore the rest of the story, focusing solely on this event, and forgetting both the fact that he was severely unwell as well as the fact that it was supposed to be an accident, leading to him being remembered as a wife beater, even though circumstances show this was clearly not the case. Granted, he could be rather nasty to Jan, but calling him a {{domestic abuse}}r is pushing it. It doesn't help that the fact that Jan took advantage of his mental problems to get married in the first place, a case of QuestionableConsent, is almost ''never'' mentioned. The incident has been handled with varying levels of grace since then. Some authors (like Creator/KurtBusiek and Creator/DanSlott) write him trying to get past the old shame, while others (like Creator/MarkMillar in ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'') write him up as a violent wife-beater. Chuck Austen even wrote him as a misogynist during his ([[FanonDiscontinuity much-maligned]]) Avengers run.

** The most infamous case is her tendency to die and come back to life. Her reputation as the queen of ComicBookDeath would lead you to expect that's she's died, what, dozens of times over the decades? In actuality she's died twice. Her most famous death at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, and her second death at the conclusion of Grant Morrison's ''New X-Men'' run--which was undone in Comicbook/MarvelLegacy ''fourteen'' years later. The Comicbook/MarvelNOW rebranding brought in a ''new'' Jean Grey via TimeTravel, and made it clear that she is not the same person.
** In a related example, Jean's entire pop culture identity has been consumed by the Dark Phoenix Saga, to the point that writers and editors have started just plain writing Phoenix stories for her every so often on account of there doesn't seem to be much else some people are interested in. This trope, in fact, used to be called "Jean Grey Escalation". It was changed ''before'' the purge of character-named tropes because tropers kept proving the point; it was used pretty much exclusively to refer to characters who got new powers or died more than once.
* Comicbook/{{Rogue}} and Comicbook/{{Gambit}}: Antarctica. Neither character will ''ever'' live that down. Captured in Antarctica, Gambit was put on trial and it was revealed that he was hired by Mr. Sinister to get the [[PsychoForHire Marauders]] together and lead them into the Morlock Tunnels without knowing what they were there for. That was the extent of his involvement, but every character (and many writers) treat this as an unforgivable sin. As part of said "trial," Rogue was forced to kiss him, and absorbed his memories of the incident, as well as the [[HeroicBSOD nearly suicidal self-loathing and guilt]] he was feeling over it at the time. Later, during the escape, Rogue drops Gambit onto the arctic tundra and leaves him there to face UncertainDoom. This was the point where their relationship drama leapt from CantHaveSexEver to a mutual LoveHateRelationship, and it has never fully recovered.
* Comicbook/{{Magneto}}: This one is a combination of CharacterizationMarchesOn and StatusQuoIsGod. Creator/ChrisClaremont reimagined Magneto as a WellIntentionedExtremist who invoked a lot of VillainHasAPoint moments to make him a richer, more tragic character. However, the rest of Marvel wants him to be a CardCarryingVillain only a step above his original characterization. As such, most people will bring up the time he tore the Adamantium out of Comicbook/{{Wolverine}}'s body, the time he infiltrated the mansion and started setting up concentration camps for Muggles (that version of him revealed as an impostor ''immediately'' once the storyline finished), or any number of other instances where he JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope. Since Magneto is supposed to be the "villain" of the ''X-Men'' stories, many writers will do whatever it takes to make audiences root against him, even though that isn't what made him a compelling antagonist in the first place.
** He's actually been an honest-to-goodness ''team member'' for many years now, and even before that, he hadn't been their BigBad in decades. To hear many fans talk about him, his portrayal in TheSixties is how he is to this day.

* ''Franchise/SpiderMan''
** Stacy is that girl who would have lived had Spidey not been incompetent, or was it the fall that killed her as Goblin called out in the same issue. Either way, Gwen Stacy is a saintly martyr, Peter's one true love who was TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth, and since ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'' is the one story she appears in that is widely reprinted as a standalone, despite the fact that she barely appears in it and isn't even the most significant female character in the story (MJ is), it's all people are likely to know her for. Hell, some fanfic rewrites of the mythos tend to introduce her ''with the explicit intent of killing her off''. It probably doesn't help that every new adaptation changes her personality and character completely, from becoming [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan a tough punk-rock bad girl]], to [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan a nerd with a temper and occasional snark tendency]], to [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan Mary Jane with Jane Foster's science smarts]]. The only tying factor between every character is romantic feelings towards Peter (some more than others), and being a DaddysGirl of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure police Captain.[[note]]In actual fact, Gwen Stacy during her time as a regular member of the supporting cast had a number of bizarre personality shifts: started out as a dominating vixen who combined AlphaBitch, the {{Tsundere}}, and the {{Yandere}}, and was ''furious'' that a dork like Peter wasn't interested in her (in fact, it was ''the'' thing that got her to ever pay attention to him. Someone who dared have concerns other than the fact that she was in the room ''bore further investigation.'' It was an EstablishingCharacterMoment -- her selfish "why doesn't he fawn over me like everyone's supposed to" type thoughts juxtaposed with his "super villains, having to let civilian friends down ''again,'' sick aunt, etc." thoughts). After John Romita replaced Steve Ditko as head artist, [[CharacterizationMarchesOn her character was softened considerably]] and she became the Betty in a BettyAndVeronica LoveTriangle. Her death led to her being remembered entirely for her later, sweeter era, as a GirlNextDoor and ProperLady.[[/note]] Newer fans unfortunately remember her for ''Sins' Past'' which revealed that she cheated on Peter with Norman Osborn of all people and that poor MJ has been unfairly burdened with the guilt of not measuring up to her.
** John Jameson is most well known being an astronaut, even though he has spent most of his time as Captain America's personal pilot. He's also known for his superpowered alter-ego that sometimes emerges, Man-Wolf. The second part is subverted in ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' - when John gets powers, he becomes Colonel Jupiter, following one of the comics from the pre-Man-Wolf period.
** Flash Thompson, who was a JerkJock for the first few years of the comic book. He later joined the army, and had matured considerably by the time he got back. Since then, he's been a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, ''at worst'', and quite often a BoisterousBruiser. Throughout the seventies and eighties, he was one of Peter Parker's best friends (and ''the best man at his wedding'', even!). He even became the new (heroic) Comicbook/{{Venom}} and joined ComicBook/TheAvengers, and yet he's still just remembered as a teenage JerkJock. Mostly because of AdaptationDistillation: most fans are first introduced to Spider-Man in a high school context, usually whatever film or animated adaptation is running at the time, and the same Silver Age stories are re-imagined and updated, including resident JerkJock Flash[[note]]The 2012 ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' film played him less JerkJock, especially as he's the first one in the film to console Parker about Uncle Ben's death. Peter doesn't take it well, but eventually forgives him for the bullying. By the end of the film, he's Peter's only male friend (that we see), and the two can at least hold a conversation. He also is established as a Spidey fan, even wearing a Spidey shirt, with his excuse being [[BlatantLies it's to get girls.]][[/note]]. With ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'' picking up the slack.
** Flash isn't the only one to get this treatment either. Despite the fact that he was only like that when first introduced in ''Amazing Fantasy #15'' and quickly grew out of any sort of characterization that could be called such after getting his powers (in other words THE FIRST ISSUE) Peter Parker will never live down his initial characterization as a stereotypical nerdy genius high schooler. Due to most every adaption of the character which plays up Peter being nerdy and often resetting him back to his high school years, one could not realize Peter is ever anything but that. By the time Peter graduated high school and went to college, he stopped wearing glasses, started filling up and was actually a pretty good looking guy and when Ditko stepped down and John Romita took over [[ProgressivelyPrettier Peter was the total stud]] called "hunk" and was basically the prize for Gwen and MJ to fight over. And even then, Peter never really has any difficulty finding girls and almost always really pretty ones, so the idea that he CantTalkToWomen isn't true either and a number of Peter's confidants have noted that his life actually is enviable by the standards of real nerds and losers. While we're on the subject of Peter's love life, most seem to think MJ's the only girlfriend Spidey ever had. Almost [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy every]] [[Theatre/SpiderManTurnOffTheDark single]] [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries freaking]] [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries adaptation]] pretty much ignores any other girl he's ever dated.
** Spider-Man himself will ''never'' live down the entire ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline where he [[DealWithTheDevil sold his marriage]] to [[Main/SatanicArchetype Mephisto]] to save his aunt (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) even when the One-Above-All's objection - who is, you know, the Marvel equivalent of an ''omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God'', no matter what editorial says. Even with the {{Retcon}} that Mary Jane actually agreed to that deal, many fans still not convinced and perceived that as an AssPull due to the dialogue of what she said to Memphisto is completely different. The ''[[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Secret Wars]]'' series ''[[ComicBook/RenewYourVows Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows]]'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.

** Quesada and later writers also tried to do this to the BreakoutCharacter of the Spider-Man series: ComicBook/MaryJaneWatson by trying to downplay or shuttle her out of spotlight and/or constantly having characters in page repeatedly talk about why they shouldn't be together. MJ is also characterized by the few defenders of the Post-OMD Status-quo as the flighty girl who strings Peter along and keeps rejecting his marriage proposals. In actual fact she only did it ''once''[[note]]If we want to be technical, she also rejected Peter's second proposal for the understandable reason that it was very sudden but she said Yes two issues later[[/note]] which she did so in a very shallow manner albeit a later scene has her giving a sympathetic reason that she didn't tell Peter (her parents are divorced and she wasn't encouraged by the failed marriage of her friends Betty Brant and Ned Leeds) and then she and Peter broke up perfunctorily (ordered by editor Marv Wolfman to shake up a status-quo) and she was PutOnABus making a few token appearances until returning to the supporting cast where she revealed that she knew Peter was Spider-Man all along, starting a character arc that led to her marriage. In this period, she was Peter's confidant and friend (albeit a friend with whom she still dated and shared kisses with when he needed it), the first person Peter confessed his guilt about letting Uncle Ben die to while Peter was in a dead-end relationship with the Black Cat (who loved Spider-Man but hated Peter).
* The ComicBook/ScarletWitch depowering most of the mutant population. There are still readers who will not forgive her for not only the act itself, but also because of how EasilyForgiven some they think she was and especially due to her calling out Scott Summers for his actions in ''Comicbook/AvengersVsXMen'', which were an attempt to fix what she did in the first place.
** Also, although her power level in ''House of M'' was completely different from anything she had been able to do in 40 years of comics, and has since been [[AuthorsSavingThrow explained away]] as the result of [[DemonicPossession her absorbing a cosmic magical source that possessed her]], the popularity of ''House of M'' means that many readers think of her as an omnipotent RealityWarper rather than the much less outlandish powers she generally has.

** A number of adaptations also place both her and her brother ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} as part of the Brotherhood of Mutants, despite the fact that they were only ever X-Men villains for a handful of issues. Casual fans who are more familiar with ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'' are usually shocked to learn that the two have been members of the Avengers for most of their history. This has even lead to a bizarre licensing issue where both [[Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox Fox]] and [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Marvel Studios]] have film rights to the characters. Quicksilver is appears in both ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' (as an Avenger), which should only serve to make things even more confusing for the general audience. However, he's a good guy in both versions, never joining the Brotherhood in the X-films.
** Surprisingly, the one thing everybody ''does'' let her live down is the time she [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale violated Wonder Man]] during her FaceHeelTurn in ''West Coast Avengers''. Keep in mind this was over a decade before she destroyed the Avengers or depowered most of the mutant population, but no one ever brings it up when discussing Wanda's horrible actions.

*** Also the alien dragon Fin Fang Foom and the planet eating Galactus. She's kind of a running gag in the community with people eternally asking who would win in a fight Squirrel Girl VS whoever.
* Jake Gallows, the ComicBook/{{Punisher}} of ComicBook/Marvel2099, will never live down the way he turned heel ([[NinetiesAntiHero more than usual for a punisher, that is]]) and became Doom's judge, jury and executioner in the latter half of 2099's run. Most people don't have strong opinions on Gallows, but every time the 2099 universe has been rebooted or reimagined, he's ''never'' been anything other than a complete villain. Both the second and third iterations of Punisher 2099 used a different person for the identity, and in the case of the 2019 series, Gallows was a supporting, antagonistic character who was eventually killed off by that incarnation of the Punisher.
* The "Marcus Immortus" storyline for ComicBook/CarolDanvers from ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'' #200 [[note]]If you don't know the story, the short version is that Ms. Marvel was basically allowed to cheerfully run off with her extradimensional kidnapper LoveInterest despite ''mind control'' being involved. The rest of the team really, ''really'' should have been concerned, but the writers of the story where it happened seemed to see it as her leaving with her one true love.[[/note]]. The fan backlash to this ensured that neither Marvel Comics nor the character would ever live it down, and it remains one of the biggest elements of her backstory to this day. ''Avengers Annual #10'' (itself best known today only as "the one where Rogue had her first appearance") allowed Carol to deliver a well-deserved WhatTheHellHero speech to the assembled Avengers for their nonchalant attitudes towards what had happened to her, as well as undoing the whole thing by having Marcus Immortus die within a week of returning to Limbo, after which Carol spent the rest of the year tinkering with his machinery to send herself back to Earth. [[note]]Apparently, the storyline in ''Avengers'' #200 did not sit well with Creator/ChrisClaremont -- he had created Ms. Marvel, and felt that her actions were out of character -- and he took the opportunity to put an AuthorFilibuster to it in the story. Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad, true believers![[/note]]
* [[Comicbook/XMen The Juggernaut]] suffers from this occasionally in that some think he has made his sole purpose in life to kill his stepbrother Charles Xavier. Even an extended [[HeelFaceTurn run as a hero]] didn't seem to change that. But, that was written by Chuck Austen, so you can see why some will ignore that.

** For many, abandoning his wife Madelyne and newborn son Nathan as soon as he heard that Jean Grey was alive in ''X-Factor'' #1 defined his personality forever. Marvel's later attempts at damage control - which included stating he was under Mister Sinister's influence, and [[RetCon retconning]] Madelyne into a manipulative witch - notwithstanding. That Grant Morrison later had him turn away from Jean for telepathic adultery with Emma Frost made matters worse (bear in mind, Jean herself contemplated having an affair herself at the time while he was currently in the middle of an emotional breakdown that Emma took advantage of).
* For that matter, Comicbook/EmmaFrost will (understandably) never live down the fact that she initiated an affair with Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]]. Or the fact that she then cheated on Scott with Namor while part of the Cabal and the Phoenix Five--made worse by the reveal that Scott not knowing only aroused both of them more.
** To a lesser extent, Emma will also never live down some of her more {{Stripperiffic}} costumes, which have been the butts of jokes among parts of the internet.
* Firelord, the former Herald of ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, casual conqueror and destroyer of worlds, able to fly across the universe faster than the speed of light and ''through stars'', and has spelled serious trouble for the likes of some of the Marvel Universe's most powerful creatures such as Thor, Hercules, Ego the Living Planet, and the original Phoenix. However, the most famous story by far that he was ever involved in, was when he got his own ass handed to him by ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' without him so much as being able to land a single hit on the wall-crawler. To reiterate, star-level cosmic entity gets utterly thrashed by a human in spandex. That is something that will never be forgotten.

* Susan Storm-Richards of the ComicBook/FantasticFour's long-running romantic interest in Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner throughout her 40+ year marriage to Reed Richards gets thrown around a lot from fans. The reason is probably the fact that a lot of fans think she had an out-and-out affair with Namor (not true), but ''also'' think that the attraction between them is all in the past (also not true). The Fantastic Four are [[DysfunctionalFamily just fucked up that way.]]

* Mephisto, closest thing MarvelUniverse has to {{Satan}}, enemy of ComicBook/GhostRider, ComicBook/SilverSurfer and ComicBook/DoctorStrange among others, will probably never live down the fact he [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay destroyed Spider-Man's marriage]].
* [[Comicbook/{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]], who had a long and storied history as a major figure in Captain America's mythos as well as becoming director of SHIELD for a time, is mostly remembered for being the woman who killed ComicBook/CaptainAmerica. She was brainwashed, and later lead the charge to bring him back to life, neither fact is as well remembered.

* In a surprising display of self-awareness, writer Denis Hopeless seemed to realize that Arcade will never live down his role in ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', so in [[ComicBook/AvengersUndercover his next book]], he had the character admit that now either he can go back to being a complete joke, only constantly reminding people how he once did something really evil, like the above mentioned Doctor Light, or let killing kids become the only thing he does. Right after that Arcade is killed.

** Remender would win back some fans by making [[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]] ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and taking a number of potshots at racism while he was at it, most notably {{retcon}}ning the infamous story where the Sam was revealed to have formerly been a pimp and drug dealer, often considered the single most racist thing published by Marvel, into false memories implanted by the Red Skull. Remender left Marvel to focus on his own projects the following year; it's presently unknown what if any role the controversy played in this decision.

* ''ComicBook/AmericaChavez'' only said "holy menstruation" '''once'''. The many detractors for [[ComicBook/America2017 her solo book]] have latched onto it, turning it into her catchphrase, if not just using the phrase as a shorthand for America herself.
** In fact, the solo book itself is a [=NLID=] moment for her, to the point where many were skeptical of her presence in the [[ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers2018 West Coast Avengers relaunch]][[note]]although, as it turns out, [=WCA=] ignores and even contradicts America's solo book[[/note]], due to perceived pandering and UnfortunateImplications. At best, it's regarded as SoBadItsGood.

** The Thanoscopter. In an otherwise rather obscure 1979 comic Thanos decided to zip around in a cute little helicopter with Thanos written on the tail. Deapool and the internet seem to love it.

*** Oh yes, and the issue with the Thanos-Coptor mentioned above? The ''same'' issue revolves around Spider-Man and Patsy Walker of all people getting him arrested. Yes really, he's lead away in handcuffs and everything. It's hilarious.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]]: a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]], with her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] left perfectly bare. Because of this, Sally has a well-known reputation as the first and only female character in ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' to ever violate its PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, even leaking into Wiki/ThisVeryWiki in the form of an article (currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub) named after her. [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics and other alternate media as well, but Sally is still easily the one example most people can think of.[[/note]] She is especially infamous among ''Sonic'' fans who are unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media; as the main games almost never deviate from the "dress code", said fans' initial reactions towards seeing Sally in her minimally-clothed design often range from confusion and discomfort to downright shock and disbelief, or even ''outrage''.

* [[ComicBook/TheWalkingDead Lori]] will always be remembered as the bitch who lets down her husband and cheated on him with his best friend. Even a decade later, she is still loathed by many.

* Simon Furman, a well-respected writer known for his extensive ''Transformers'' work, will never live down his... interesting ideas regarding the gender of Cybertronians or his attempt to "justify" Arcee being female. He asserts that Cybertronians are all genderless, and that they just use male pronouns because they do -- something that doesn't fly right with many to begin with -- and that Arcee used to be just like that, but was experimented on and given a forced gender reassignment, and this experiment turned her into a bloodthirsty psychopath. Needless to say, many were concerned what this story was saying about gender and transgender issues, as well as why it was so... weird. Eventually this was retconned away by later writers, and it was established that female Transformers ''do'' exist, and all new ''Transformers'' universes after said story have made female Cybertronians commonplace.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]]: a blue pair of boots, an open vest, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing else]], with her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] left perfectly bare. Because of this, Sally has a well-known reputation as the first and only female character in ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' to ever violate its PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, even leaking into Wiki/ThisVeryWiki in the form of an article (currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub) named after her. [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics and other alternate media as well, but Sally is still easily the one example most people can think of.[[/note]] She is especially infamous among ''Sonic'' fans who are unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media; as the main games almost never deviate from the "dress code", said fans' initial reactions towards seeing Sally in her minimally-clothed design often range from confusion to downright shock and disbelief, or even ''outrage''.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's signature design trait prior to the ContinuityReboot: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]], which consisted of [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest]] that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. While there was nothing special about her appearance initially, the outfit eventually made Sally stick out like a sore thumb among the rest of the female cast in the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' franchise, who are known to be [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal fully-dressed by default]] whereas her outfit was closer to the minimal clothing male characters generally wear. Even today, Sally is both famous and notorious within the fandom for being the only female character to break the otherwise rigid PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics and other alternate media as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the comic's entire run[[/note]] especially among modern fans who are unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media and were jarred by her unorthodox design as a result. It is well-known to the point a TV Tropes page currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub -- with a premise not dissimilar to what NeverLiveItDown already covers -- was named after her.

** For many, abandoning his wife Madelyne and son Nathan as soon as he heard that Jean Grey was alive in ''X-Factor'' #1 defined his personality forever. In actuality, he didn't even abandon her, he wanted to see if Jean was really alive, she got mad and told him not to come back, and he ended up getting busy with X-Factor, a team he wasn't even planning on co-founding and didn't want to be on at first, then when he did go back to her, she'd already left thanks to a supervillain attack. He's by no means innocent, but he's not the deadbeat dad people often claim him to be. Marvel's later attempts at damage control - which included stating he was under Mister Sinister's influence, and [[RetCon retconning]] Madelyne into a manipulative witch - notwithstanding. That Grant Morrison later had him turn away from Jean for telepathic adultery with Emma Frost made matters worse (bear in mind, Jean herself contemplated having an affair herself at the time while he was currently in the middle of an emotional breakdown that Emma took advantage of).

* if there is something you will never forget about Comicbook/LexLuthor, It's the fact he give up Godhood because He couldn't kill superman with it. That's right: Being a god isn't worth it if Superman can't be killed with it

* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'':

* Creator/HowardChaykin regards his ''[[ComicBook/MarvelStarWars Star Wars]]'' comics as a combination of this and OldShame.

* For that matter, Comicbook/EmmaFrost will (understandably) never live down the fact that she initiated an affair with Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]]. Or the fact that she then [[YourCheatingHeart cheated on Scott]] with Namor while part of the Cabal and the Phoenix Five--made worse by the reveal that Scott not knowing only aroused both of them more.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's signature design trait prior to the ContinuityReboot: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]], which consisted of [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest]] that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. While there was nothing special about her appearance initially, the outfit eventually made Sally stick out like a sore thumb among the rest of the female cast in the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' franchise, who are known to be [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal fully-dressed by default]] whereas her outfit was closer to the minimal clothing male characters generally wear. Even today, Sally is both famous and notorious within the fandom solely for being the only female character to break the otherwise rigid PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in alternate media as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the comic's entire run[[/note]] coupled with the jarring impression her unorthodox design tends to leave on modern fans unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media. It is well-known to the point a TV Tropes page currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub -- with a premise not dissimilar to what NeverLiveItDown already covers -- was named after her.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's signature design trait prior to the ContinuityReboot: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM 1994 cartoon debut]], which consisted of [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest]] that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. While there was nothing special about her appearance initially, the outfit eventually made Sally stick out like a sore thumb among the rest of the female cast in the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' franchise, who are known to be [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal fully-dressed by default]] whereas her outfit was closer to the minimal clothing male characters generally wear. Even today, Sally is both famous and notorious within the fandom solely for being the only female character to break the otherwise rigid PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales rule, [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in alternate media as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the comic's entire run[[/note]] coupled with the jarring impression her unorthodox design tends to leave on fans unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media. It is well-known to the point a TV Tropes page currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub -- with a premise not dissimilar to what NeverLiveItDown already covers -- was named after her.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most apparent trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally both her fame and notoriety within the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom as the only female character at odds with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in alternate media as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the comic's entire run[[/note]], her attire being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the gals. Since no official "nude" female FunnyAnimal has ever made an appearance in the main series, coming across this version of Sally for the first time tends to be jarring for fans unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media, to the point a TV Tropes page currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub -- with a premise not dissimilar to what NeverLiveItDown already covers -- was named after her.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most apparent trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally both her fame and notoriety within the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom as the only female character [[at odds]] with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in alternate media as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the comic's entire run[[/note]], her attire being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the gals. Since no official "nude" female FunnyAnimal has ever made an appearance in the main series, coming across this version of Sally for the first time tends to be jarring for fans unfamiliar with alternate ''Sonic'' media, to the point a TV Tropes page currently banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub -- with a premise not dissimilar to what NeverLiveItDown already covers -- was named after her.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most apparent trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally her fame and notoriety within the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom as the only female character [[NonStandardCharacterDesign bizarrely at odds]] with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the entire run[[/note]], her attire being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the gals. In fact, it's not uncommon for this version of Sally to elicit confused, surprised or outright ''shocked'' reactions from many fans unfamiliar with non-canon material upon discovering her, simply because no official "nude" female character has ever made an appearance in the main series.
*** Even today, this look still gets flak for being too risqué or simply for going against the standard design scheme (with some fans and purists going as far as to declare it [[FandomHeresy heresy]] and/or label Sally a slut) despite the CosmicRetcon giving her a complete outfit to better fit her in with the rest of the gals, while those who prefer her old pre-reboot appearance dislike the new one for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks taking away the very quirk that made Sally unique in the first place]]. Hell, it's the main reason one of the many pages banished to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub is named after her.[[note]]Its premise was about character attributes brought up constantly by fans, which wasn't much different from what NeverLiveItDown already covers.[[/note]]

* COmicBook/UltimateMarvel ComicBook/CaptainAmerica is a lot less of a paragon and a lot more of a typical soldier than the regular version. When he woke up in SHIELD custody, he didn't believe that Nick Fury (who is black in that universe) could be a Colonel, assumes the whole thing is a German setup, and tries to escape using force. This is commonly cited as an example of his racism. While Cap is a product of his time in many ways, he wasn't being racist. He had just been told he was out for almost 60 years, wasn't thinking straight, and couldn't get his brain around the idea that ''America'' wasn't racist. He specifically says the highest ranking black man he knows is only a Captain. The last straw was the ''length of time'', not Fury being black.
** The other moment... not so justified. In the first ''Ultimates'' series, Ultimate Steve is told to surrender by the alien villain. Steve flips his shit and screams that the 'A' on his head doesn't stand for France. This is actually racist, and an American soldier like Steve, who fought extensively in World War II, would not actually hold this view -- the mainstream Cap even lambastes those who view the French as cowards at one point, noting the bravery of the French Resistance during France's occupation by Nazis. Sadly, the anti-French moment is the most iconic and well-known moment for Ultimate Steve, not helped by a later scene that has him reaffirm his point as he beats up some French soldiers.

* Despite CharacterizationMarchesOn, Betty from ''Franchise/ArchieComics'' is known by many for being a bit ''[[{{yandere}} too]]'' obsessed with Archie.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most apparent trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally her fame and notoriety within the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom as the only female character [[TheArtifact bizarrely at odds]] with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the entire run[[/note]], her attire being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the gals. In fact, it's not uncommon for this version of Sally to elicit confused, surprised or outright ''shocked'' reactions from many fans unfamiliar with non-canon material upon discovering her, simply because no official "nude" female character has ever made an appearance in the main series.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most apparent trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally her fame and notoriety among the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom as the only female character noticeably at odds with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme [[note]]In reality, a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existed in the comics as well, but were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the entire run[[/note]], her attire being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the gals. In fact, it's not uncommon for this version of Sally to elicit confused, surprised or outright ''shocked'' reactions from many fans unfamiliar with non-canon material upon discovering her, simply because no official "nude" female character has ever made an appearance in the main series.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most apparent trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally her fame and notoriety among the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom as the only female character noticeably at odds with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme [[note]]Despite a handful of other female characters with similar non-standard outfits existing, who were dwarfed by Sally due to appearing far more prominently and consistently in this design nearly throughout the entire comic series[[/note]], her attire being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the gals. In fact, it's not uncommon for this version of Sally to elicit confused, surprised or outright ''shocked'' reactions from many fans unfamiliar with non-canon material upon discovering her, simply because no official "nude" female character has ever made an appearance in the main series.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most famous trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally her reputation among the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom for being noticeably at odds with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme, her outfit being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the female cast. In fact, it's not uncommon for this version of Sally to elicit confused, surprised or outright ''shocked'' reactions from many fans unfamiliar with non-canon material upon discovering her, simply because a female character with such an unorthodox design today is extremely unlikely to appear ever again in the franchise, if not downright impossible.

** Much of the above, however, is overshadowed by Sally Acorn's most memorable trait prior to her redesign: her original set of clothes from her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM cartoon debut]], which consisted of nothing more than a blue pair of boots and an open vest that leaves her [[NonHumansLackAttributes furry chest]] perfectly bare. This would eventually earn Sally her reputation among the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fandom for being at odds with the franchise's strict PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales design scheme, her outfit being far closer to the [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal minimalistic amount of clothing]] that male characters generally wear instead of the [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal full outfits]] worn by the majority of the female cast. In fact, it's not uncommon for this version of Sally to elicit confused, surprised or outright ''shocked'' reactions from many fans unfamiliar with non-canon material upon discovering her, simply because a female character with such an unorthodox design today is extremely unlikely to appear ever again in the franchise, if not downright impossible.