History NeverLiveItDown / ComicBooks

2nd Jul '17 6:57:56 PM MagBas
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** The problem is in the form this specific instance took. Instead of potraying Umar as cruel monster for this act, she's written as [[UnfortunateImplications having an insatiable sex drive]] (in itself CharacterDerailment, since before that story she was shown as person who had sex once and found it repulsive) and when Hulk encountered her again it was only so his "Worldbreaker Hulk" persona could [[UnfortunateImplications finally satisfy her]].

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** The problem is in the form this specific instance took. Instead of potraying Umar as cruel monster for this act, she's written as [[UnfortunateImplications having an insatiable sex drive]] (in itself CharacterDerailment, since before that story she was shown as person who had sex once and found it repulsive) drive and when Hulk encountered her again it was only so his "Worldbreaker Hulk" persona could [[UnfortunateImplications finally satisfy her]].her.
28th Jun '17 10:27:03 AM MikeW
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** Invoked in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'' when Hank goes on a tirade on how he's accomplished so much and yet judged by one moment when Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and slews of others have made far worse and more destructive mistakes yet are EasilyForgiven.
26th Jun '17 5:49:55 PM Edgar81539
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* ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' for Barbara Gordon, with many of her personal fans being upset that broader DC fans and some creators still seem to consider the defining incident of her life to be that time the Joker paralysed, tortured, and sexually humiliated her solely to [[StuffedIntoTheFridge troll her father and Batman]], both in-universe and in storytelling terms. It got particular backlash when an alternate cover for the relatively light-hearted Stewart/Fletcher/Tarr run on [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl2011}} her solo title]] showed her tied up and crying with terror while the Joker pointed a gun directly at her crotch.
2nd Jun '17 11:07:19 PM darkemyst
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** Tim Drake has people he cares about dying, since it happened so much. Seriously; he lost his mom, he lost his best friend, his other best friend, his girlfriend, his dad, his step mom, some other friends, and his adopted father. Sure, all of them -except mom, dad, and step mom- came back, but the fact that it made him ''very'' broody made for something he'd never live down. Of all the Robins now, he's 'the emo one' or 'Batman Jr'.
** Stephanie Brown was killed by Black Mask (like Jason, a NeverLiveItDown moment for both), and her being regarded as 'incompetent'. Generally for most of her career, Steph was actually surprisingly competent, given her state and conditions. Her costume was, originally, VERY practical, especially compared to most female costumes at the time (So much so that Tim thought she was a dude when he first saw her), [[ActionGirl she could handle herself well in a fight]] despite being completely hand made on a shoe-string budget, and while she lacked Tim's experience and training, she was roughly on his level physically and was a fast thinker in a fight. However her best friend was [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Cassandra Cain]], and her goofy nature meant that she was often depicted as [[OvershadowedByAwesome comically out classed]] around her. Add in ''War Games'', where the entire plot is basically 'Steph's an idiot and she screws up big time' (and ignore the fact that the main reason Steph screwed up was because Batman didn't even trust her enough as Robin to tell her about his Matches Malone identity, among other massive details), she's pretty much left looking 'incompetent'.

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** [[Comicbook/RobinSeries Tim Drake Drake]] has people he cares about dying, since it happened so much. Seriously; he lost his mom, he lost his best friend, his other best friend, his girlfriend, his dad, his step mom, some other friends, and his adopted father. Sure, all of them -except mom, dad, and step mom- came back, but the fact that it made him ''very'' broody made for something he'd never live down. Of all the Robins now, he's 'the emo one' or 'Batman Jr'.
** [[Comicbook/Batgirl2009 Stephanie Brown Brown]] was killed by Black Mask (like Jason, a NeverLiveItDown moment for both), and her being regarded as 'incompetent'. Generally for most of her career, Steph was actually surprisingly competent, given her state and conditions. Her costume was, originally, VERY practical, especially compared to most female costumes at the time (So much so that Tim thought she was a dude when he first saw her), [[ActionGirl she could handle herself well in a fight]] despite being completely hand made on a shoe-string budget, and while she lacked Tim's experience and training, she was roughly on his level physically and was a fast thinker in a fight. However her best friend was [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Cassandra Cain]], and her goofy nature meant that she was often depicted as [[OvershadowedByAwesome comically out classed]] around her. Add in ''War Games'', where the entire plot is basically 'Steph's an idiot and she screws up big time' (and ignore the fact that the main reason Steph screwed up was because Batman didn't even trust her enough as Robin to tell her about his Matches Malone identity, among other massive details), she's pretty much left looking 'incompetent'.
21st May '17 3:04:57 PM nombretomado
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''. And WordOfGod later revealed that the writer intended the infamous blow to be Hank wildly gesturing and hitting Jan by accident, but the artist instead drew what looked like an intentional and full-strength smack.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''. And WordOfGod later revealed that the writer intended the infamous blow to be Hank wildly gesturing and hitting Jan by accident, but the artist instead drew what looked like an intentional and full-strength smack.
19th May '17 6:02:13 AM DrPopo
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** The problem is in the form this specific instance took. Instead of potraying Umar as cruel monster for this act, she's written as [[UnfortunateImplications having an insatiable sex drive]] (in itself CharacterDerailment, since before that story she was shown as person who had sex once and found it repulsive) and when Hulk encountered her again it was only so his "Worldbreaker Hulk" persona could [[UnfortunateImplications finally satisfy her]].
21st Apr '17 5:51:25 PM CosmicFerret
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** This was also averted in the most unlikely place of all: ''[[LegoAdaptationGame Lego Batman]] [[TitleTheAdaptation the Video Game]]'' where Bane is calmly reading a book while he beats Killer Croc at arm wrestling. Amazing how a dialogue-less video game shows his intelligence better than most cartoons.

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** This was also averted in the most unlikely place of all: ''[[LegoAdaptationGame Lego Batman]] [[TitleTheAdaptation the Video Game]]'' ''VideoGame/LegoBatman'' where Bane is calmly reading a book while he beats Killer Croc at arm wrestling. Amazing how a dialogue-less video game shows his intelligence better than most cartoons.
14th Apr '17 9:39:02 AM Silverblade2
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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker and, well any writer who portrays him as a poor fighter who goes down with one hit. Some have actually written him as a very capable fighter, due to his [[ConfusionFu unpredictable nature]] and [[CombatSadomasochist high pain tolerance]]. In "Mad Love" he even held his own against Batman. But the fandom seems completely blind to this.

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker and, well any writer who portrays him as a poor fighter who goes down with one hit. Some have actually written him as a very capable fighter, due to his [[ConfusionFu unpredictable nature]] and [[CombatSadomasochist high pain tolerance]]. In "Mad Love" he even held his own against Batman. But the fandom seems completely blind to this.
29th Mar '17 9:20:14 PM Rebu
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* Ultimate Captain America is a lot less of a paragon and a lot more of a typical soldier than the regular version. When he woke up in SHIELD custody, he didn't believe that Nick Fury (who is black in that universe) could be a Colonel, assumes the whole thing is a German setup, and tries to escape using force. This is commonly cited as an example of his racism. While Cap is a product of his time in many ways, he wasn't being racist. He had just been told he was out for almost 60 years, wasn't thinking straight, and couldn't get his brain around the idea that ''America'' wasn't racist. He specifically says the highest ranking black man he knows is only a Captain. The last straw was the ''length of time'', not Fury being black.
27th Mar '17 3:38:55 AM LondonKdS
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''. And WordOfGod later revealed that the writer intended the infamous blow to be Hank wildly gesturing and hitting Jan by accident, but the artist instead drew what looked like an intentional and full-strength smack.
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