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21st May '17 3:04:57 PM nombretomado
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''. And WordOfGod later revealed that the writer intended the infamous blow to be Hank wildly gesturing and hitting Jan by accident, but the artist instead drew what looked like an intentional and full-strength smack.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''. And WordOfGod later revealed that the writer intended the infamous blow to be Hank wildly gesturing and hitting Jan by accident, but the artist instead drew what looked like an intentional and full-strength smack.
19th May '17 6:02:13 AM DrPopo
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** The problem is in the form this specific instance took. Instead of potraying Umar as cruel monster for this act, she's written as [[UnfortunateImplications having an insatiable sex drive]] (in itself CharacterDerailment, since before that story she was shown as person who had sex once and found it repulsive) and when Hulk encountered her again it was only so his "Worldbreaker Hulk" persona could [[UnfortunateImplications finally satisfy her]].
21st Apr '17 5:51:25 PM CosmicFerret
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** This was also averted in the most unlikely place of all: ''[[LegoAdaptationGame Lego Batman]] [[TitleTheAdaptation the Video Game]]'' where Bane is calmly reading a book while he beats Killer Croc at arm wrestling. Amazing how a dialogue-less video game shows his intelligence better than most cartoons.

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** This was also averted in the most unlikely place of all: ''[[LegoAdaptationGame Lego Batman]] [[TitleTheAdaptation the Video Game]]'' ''VideoGame/LegoBatman'' where Bane is calmly reading a book while he beats Killer Croc at arm wrestling. Amazing how a dialogue-less video game shows his intelligence better than most cartoons.
14th Apr '17 9:39:02 AM Silverblade2
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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker and, well any writer who portrays him as a poor fighter who goes down with one hit. Some have actually written him as a very capable fighter, due to his [[ConfusionFu unpredictable nature]] and [[CombatSadomasochist high pain tolerance]]. In "Mad Love" he even held his own against Batman. But the fandom seems completely blind to this.

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker and, well any writer who portrays him as a poor fighter who goes down with one hit. Some have actually written him as a very capable fighter, due to his [[ConfusionFu unpredictable nature]] and [[CombatSadomasochist high pain tolerance]]. In "Mad Love" he even held his own against Batman. But the fandom seems completely blind to this.
29th Mar '17 9:20:14 PM Rebu
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* Ultimate Captain America is a lot less of a paragon and a lot more of a typical soldier than the regular version. When he woke up in SHIELD custody, he didn't believe that Nick Fury (who is black in that universe) could be a Colonel, assumes the whole thing is a German setup, and tries to escape using force. This is commonly cited as an example of his racism. While Cap is a product of his time in many ways, he wasn't being racist. He had just been told he was out for almost 60 years, wasn't thinking straight, and couldn't get his brain around the idea that ''America'' wasn't racist. He specifically says the highest ranking black man he knows is only a Captain. The last straw was the ''length of time'', not Fury being black.
27th Mar '17 3:38:55 AM LondonKdS
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''. And WordOfGod later revealed that the writer intended the infamous blow to be Hank wildly gesturing and hitting Jan by accident, but the artist instead drew what looked like an intentional and full-strength smack.
26th Mar '17 4:55:39 PM Rebu
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*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' offers an explanation for Bane's being a mountain of muscle in ''Asylum'', as well as a potential explanation for his not being as clever as in the comics. The game initially portrays him close to the comics, with a bulky but still realistic physique ''and'' smart enough to [[spoiler: figure out Batman's SecretIdentity, which he uses to [[AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs attack the Batcave]] and kill Alfred (Bruce manages to revive him)]]. Then in the final battle Bane injects himself with TN-1, an experimental "upgrade" of Venom (and the precursor to the Titan drug from ''Asylum''), which makes him grow into a giant but also damages his brain, especially his memory center.

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*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' offers an explanation for Bane's being a mountain of muscle in ''Asylum'', as well as a potential explanation for his not being as clever as in the comics. The game initially portrays him close to the comics, with a bulky but still realistic physique ''and'' smart enough to [[spoiler: figure out Batman's SecretIdentity, which he uses to [[AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs attack the Batcave]] and kill Alfred (Bruce manages to revive him)]]. Then in the final battle Bane [[spoiler:Bane wants to beat Batman, and therefore injects himself with TN-1, an experimental "upgrade" of Venom (and the precursor to the Titan drug from ''Asylum''), which makes him grow into a giant but also damages his brain, especially his memory center.]]



* ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'': Due to the sheer memetic-ness of his dedication to THE LAW, it can be surprising to new readers to find that Dredd is actually one of the more sensible Judges. Judge Dredd is fairly unique among long-lived comic book characters in that he ages in real time and his personality gradually changes over the years as he increasingly questions his role. Despite this fans still often portray him as being obsessed with THE LAW and arresting criminals.

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* ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'': Due to the sheer memetic-ness of his dedication to THE LAW, LAW (thanks to the Stallone film), it can be surprising to new readers to find that Dredd is actually one of the more sensible Judges. Judge Dredd is fairly unique among long-lived comic book characters in that he ages in real time and his personality gradually changes over the years as he increasingly questions his role. Despite this fans still often portray him as being obsessed with THE LAW and arresting criminals.
19th Mar '17 2:49:31 AM jormis29
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** Spider-Man himself will ''never'' live down the entire ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline where he [[DealWithTheDevil sold his marriage]] to [[Main/SatanicArchetype Mephisto]] to save his aunt (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) even when the One-Above-All's objection - who is, you know, the Marvel equavalent of an ''omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God'', no matter what editorial says. Even with the {{Retcon}} that Mary Jane actually agreed to that deal, many fan still not convince and perceived that as an Ass Pull due to the dialogue of what she said to Memphisto is completely different. The ''[[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Secret Wars]]'' series ''Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.

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** Spider-Man himself will ''never'' live down the entire ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline where he [[DealWithTheDevil sold his marriage]] to [[Main/SatanicArchetype Mephisto]] to save his aunt (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) even when the One-Above-All's objection - who is, you know, the Marvel equavalent of an ''omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God'', no matter what editorial says. Even with the {{Retcon}} that Mary Jane actually agreed to that deal, many fan still not convince and perceived that as an Ass Pull due to the dialogue of what she said to Memphisto is completely different. The ''[[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Secret Wars]]'' series ''Spider-Man: ''[[ComicBook/RenewYourVows Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' Vows]]'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.
14th Mar '17 9:55:50 PM xanderxela
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*** Also the alien dragon Fin Fang Foom and the planet eating Galactus. She's kind of a running gag in the community with people eternally asking who would win in a fight Squirrel Girl VS whoever.
14th Mar '17 7:12:12 PM dmcreif
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* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt for a drug fix and got killed off that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/{{Daredevil2015}} Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, ''even though it hasn't been adapted yet''. Her actress Creator/DeborahAnnWoll even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.

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* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt for a drug fix and got killed off that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/{{Daredevil2015}} Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, ''even though it hasn't been adapted yet''. Her actress Creator/DeborahAnnWoll even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.
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