History NeverLiveItDown / ComicBooks

19th Mar '17 2:49:31 AM jormis29
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** Spider-Man himself will ''never'' live down the entire ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline where he [[DealWithTheDevil sold his marriage]] to [[Main/SatanicArchetype Mephisto]] to save his aunt (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) even when the One-Above-All's objection - who is, you know, the Marvel equavalent of an ''omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God'', no matter what editorial says. Even with the {{Retcon}} that Mary Jane actually agreed to that deal, many fan still not convince and perceived that as an Ass Pull due to the dialogue of what she said to Memphisto is completely different. The ''[[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Secret Wars]]'' series ''Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.

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** Spider-Man himself will ''never'' live down the entire ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline where he [[DealWithTheDevil sold his marriage]] to [[Main/SatanicArchetype Mephisto]] to save his aunt (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) even when the One-Above-All's objection - who is, you know, the Marvel equavalent of an ''omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God'', no matter what editorial says. Even with the {{Retcon}} that Mary Jane actually agreed to that deal, many fan still not convince and perceived that as an Ass Pull due to the dialogue of what she said to Memphisto is completely different. The ''[[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Secret Wars]]'' series ''Spider-Man: ''[[ComicBook/RenewYourVows Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' Vows]]'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.
14th Mar '17 9:55:50 PM xanderxela
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*** Also the alien dragon Fin Fang Foom and the planet eating Galactus. She's kind of a running gag in the community with people eternally asking who would win in a fight Squirrel Girl VS whoever.
14th Mar '17 7:12:12 PM dmcreif
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* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt for a drug fix and got killed off that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/{{Daredevil2015}} Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, ''even though it hasn't been adapted yet''. Her actress Creator/DeborahAnnWoll even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.

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* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt for a drug fix and got killed off that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/{{Daredevil2015}} Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, ''even though it hasn't been adapted yet''. Her actress Creator/DeborahAnnWoll even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.
4th Mar '17 3:24:52 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Pictured above: The [[IHaveManyNames many-monikered]] [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, who once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''.

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* Pictured above: The [[IHaveManyNames many-monikered]] [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, who once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''.
16th Jan '17 12:02:51 PM comicwriter
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* For that matter, Comicbook/EmmaFrost will (understandably) never live down the fact that she manipulates and essentially ''rapes'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]]. This bad start stained the relationship forever and they eventually broke up in the [=AvX=] event.

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* For that matter, Comicbook/EmmaFrost will (understandably) never live down the fact that she manipulates and essentially ''rapes'' initiated an affair with Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]]. This bad start stained the relationship forever and they eventually broke up in the [=AvX=] event.it]].
28th Dec '16 8:19:50 PM Willbyr
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27th Nov '16 7:03:42 PM TheNewBig
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** And while we're on that subject, former head writer Ken Penders, despite being on the title for over 15 years and creating some memorable (and not-so-memorable) characters and stories, will forever be remembered as the man who decided to try to take back ''each and every one'', then declare that he was going to make better stories with them from his own company. Despite, y'know... each and every one being derivatives of our heroes and villains?

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** And while we're on that subject, former head writer Ken Penders, despite being on the title for over 15 years and creating some memorable (and not-so-memorable) characters and stories, will forever be remembered as the man who decided to try to take back ''each and every one'', then declare that he was going to make better stories with them from his own company. Despite, y'know... each Given he'd been working for Archie Comics for 15 years, and every one being derivatives basically chose to end his tenure with this supreme act of our heroes and villains?spite, ''and'' now as a result many beloved characters have been made off limits to the Sonic comics it's pretty understandable.
27th Nov '16 6:33:11 AM dmcreif
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* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt for a drug fix and got killed off that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/{{Daredevil2015}} Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, ''even though it hasn't been adapted yet''. Her actress even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.

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* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt for a drug fix and got killed off that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/{{Daredevil2015}} Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, ''even though it hasn't been adapted yet''. Her actress Creator/DeborahAnnWoll even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.
20th Nov '16 1:20:29 PM StFan
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* Whether as a ShoutOut, coincidence, or someone involved in the comic actually having something to do with the site, ''Witch Girls'' had two characters named Denora [=DeSade=] and Claudia who are quite similar to characters with the same names from the long-defunct transformation fetish site "The Shrinking Sorceress." Cue detractors of the recent, better-known RPG spinoff ''WitchGirlsAdventures'' (which features the same characters and a rather large amount of artwork dedicated to witches transforming helpless victims into various objects) ranting about how it's a BleachedUnderpants version of the site and nearly every adult character is lifted from it.
** MANGA GRAPHIX, the company that publishes ''Witch Girls'', is mentioned in the copyright blurb on ''[[http://web.archive.org/web/20010411183322/www.geocities.com/gotiger_1999/Sorc1.html Shrinking Sorceress]]''. [[http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Malcolm/Harris Malcolm Harris]], the author of ''Witch Girls'' and the owner of Channel M (which owns WGA), lists himself as a writer for MANGA GRAPHIX in his resume.
* In issue #134 of ''Comicbook/{{Sonic the Hedgehog}}'', Princess Sally slapped Sonic across the face. Since then, some fans have used it as "evidence" that Sally has always been a bitch. However, that one instance was terribly out of character (per editorial order), and since then she's been restored to her old self. More than a few call backs have been made to this moment in universe in the comic (usually with Sally shown to be highly remorseful about it) something that is almost certainly an attempt to fix this treatment with fans.

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* Whether as a ShoutOut, coincidence, or someone involved in the comic actually having something to do with the site, ''Witch Girls'' had has two characters named Denora [=DeSade=] and Claudia who are quite similar to characters with the same names from the long-defunct transformation fetish site "The Shrinking Sorceress." Sorceress". Cue detractors of the recent, better-known RPG spinoff ''WitchGirlsAdventures'' ''TabletopGame/WitchGirlsAdventures'' (which features the same characters and a rather large amount of artwork dedicated to witches transforming helpless victims into various objects) ranting about how it's a BleachedUnderpants version of the site and nearly every adult character is lifted from it.
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it. MANGA GRAPHIX, the company that publishes ''Witch Girls'', is mentioned in the copyright blurb on ''[[http://web.archive.org/web/20010411183322/www.geocities.com/gotiger_1999/Sorc1.html Shrinking Sorceress]]''. [[http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Malcolm/Harris Malcolm Harris]], the author of ''Witch Girls'' and the owner of Channel M (which owns WGA), lists himself as a writer for MANGA GRAPHIX in his resume.
* In issue #134 of ''Comicbook/{{Sonic the Hedgehog}}'', ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog'', Princess Sally slapped Sonic across the face. Since then, some fans have used it as "evidence" that Sally has always been a bitch. However, that one instance was terribly out of character (per editorial order), and since then she's been restored to her old self. More than a few call backs have been made to this moment in universe in the comic (usually with Sally shown to be highly remorseful about it) something that is almost certainly an attempt to fix this treatment with fans.



** Some fans, especially those who hated the character, will never live down the fact that Antoine used to be a [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey]], completely ignoring that he TookALevelInBadass. It doesn't help that some Sonic fans only watched the ''SonicSatAm'' cartoon, where he didn't get any CharacterDevelopment.

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** Some fans, especially those who hated the character, will never live down the fact that Antoine used to be a [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey]], completely ignoring that he TookALevelInBadass. It doesn't help that some Sonic fans only watched the ''SonicSatAm'' ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAm'' cartoon, where he didn't get any CharacterDevelopment.
14th Nov '16 7:36:22 PM Seraphine
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* Pictured above: The [[IHaveManyNames many-monikered]] [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, who once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]] Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''.

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* Pictured above: The [[IHaveManyNames many-monikered]] [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, who once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. (This storyline also included attacking the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it. The whole thing would be a DorkAge if it didn't end with Pym [[HesBack recovering]], then [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly beating the Masters of Evil]].) Writers have explored the issue with various levels of grace since then, but more than once, his hitting Wasp has devolved into a crude running gag which still colors newer depictions of him. In particular, the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate version of Hank Pym]] ''is'' an outright wife-beater. The real kicker? It's actually ''Jan'' if anyone, who was the abuser in the relationship as seen [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Janet_van_Dyne_(Earth-616) here]] here]]. Despite it being obvious he ''wasn't'' in his right mind when he proposed, she not only accepted, but did absolutely nothing about his increasingly worsening mental state which she later admits she might have exacerbated when forced to take him down when he was BrainwashedAndCrazy. To a therapist she got exclusively to ''herself''.
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