History NeverLiveItDown / ComicBooks

16th Apr '18 11:06:44 AM KizunaTallis
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. He also attacked the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it, but the deception was discovered in the fly. He also stole things for Egghead, who then framed him. He served time in prison and eventually defeated Egghead, whose mind manipulations were put into the light. However, the Avengers also tested specifically if he attacked Jan under mind control, and found that he didn't. This event has been references by all future writers since then. Some authors (like Kurt Busiek and Dan Slott) write him trying to get past the old shame, while others (like Mark Millar) write him again as a violent wife-beater. Chuck Austen even wrote him as a misogynist during his Avengers run.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. He also attacked the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it, but the deception was discovered in the fly. He also stole things for Egghead, who then framed him. He served time in prison and eventually defeated Egghead, whose mind manipulations were put into the light. However, the Avengers also tested specifically if he attacked Jan under mind control, and found that he didn't. This event has been references referenced by all future writers since then. Some authors (like Kurt Busiek and Dan Slott) write him trying to get past the old shame, while others (like Mark Millar) Millar in ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'') write him again as a violent wife-beater. Chuck Austen even wrote him as a misogynist during his Avengers run.
7th Apr '18 2:03:00 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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*** There's also the time Mary Marvel used his unconscious body as a club.
11th Mar '18 4:11:00 PM MinisterOfSinister
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** Invoked in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'' when Hank goes on a tirade on how he's accomplished so much and yet is constantly judged by one moment when Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and slews of others have made far worse and more destructive mistakes yet are EasilyForgiven.

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** Invoked This particular incident is discussed and deconstructed in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'' when ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire''. When Tony Stark brings it up, Hank [[MetaGuy channels the fandom]] as he goes on a tirade on how he's accomplished so much and yet is constantly judged by one moment when Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and slews of others have made far worse and more destructive mistakes yet are EasilyForgiven.
7th Mar '18 11:06:50 AM NubianSatyress
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* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s hatred of humanity is explained by his having been a victim of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany persecution for being different]] before. But in many variants, he seems to have a problem with all humans. (Of course, this goes [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor back and forth]]. Sometimes he hates just the bad ones but [[IDidWhatIHadToDo will do what he thinks he has to do]], and on a day that's ''not'' something nasty, he's one of the good guys. Sometimes he thinks the whole human race is irredeemable and anything goes. However, Creator/GrantMorrison's Magneto was very much OutOfCharacter even compared to his ''next''-most-evil portrayal, and {{Retcon}} has long since taken it from FanonDiscontinuity to CanonDiscontinuity.)
** This leads to Morrison's NLTD moment. Grant Morrison's made a big name for himself in DC, but to a lot of X-Men fans, and likely Marvel fans in general, he's best remembered as either the guy who turned Magneto into a 'mad old terrorist twat', or for the above referenced Cyclops/Frost telepathic affair.
7th Mar '18 11:02:00 AM NubianSatyress
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** The most infamous case is her tendency to die and come back to life. Her reputation as queen of ComicBookDeath would lead you to expect that's she's died, what, dozens of times over the decades? In actuality she's died twice. Her most famous death at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, and her second death at the conclusion of Grant Morrison's ''New X-Men'' run--though that second one will be undone in Comicbook/MarvelLegacy. The Comicbook/MarvelNOW rebranding brought in a ''new'' Jean Grey via TimeTravel, and it's clear that this is not the same person.

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** The most infamous case is her tendency to die and come back to life. Her reputation as queen of ComicBookDeath would lead you to expect that's she's died, what, dozens of times over the decades? In actuality she's died twice. Her most famous death at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, and her second death at the conclusion of Grant Morrison's ''New X-Men'' run--though that second one will be run--which was undone in Comicbook/MarvelLegacy. Comicbook/MarvelLegacy ''fourteen'' years later. The Comicbook/MarvelNOW rebranding brought in a ''new'' Jean Grey via TimeTravel, and it's made it clear that this she is not the same person.
3rd Feb '18 10:32:23 AM nombretomado
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** Jason Todd was killed by TheJoker. He's also got his general impulsive JerkAss demeanor that made him a solid [[TheScrappy Scrappy]].

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** Jason Todd was killed by TheJoker.ComicBook/TheJoker. He's also got his general impulsive JerkAss demeanor that made him a solid [[TheScrappy Scrappy]].
24th Jan '18 6:51:29 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Invoked in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'' when Hank goes on a tirade on how he's accomplished so much and yet judged by one moment when Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and slews of others have made far worse and more destructive mistakes yet are EasilyForgiven.

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** Invoked in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'' when Hank goes on a tirade on how he's accomplished so much and yet is constantly judged by one moment when Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and slews of others have made far worse and more destructive mistakes yet are EasilyForgiven.
15th Jan '18 6:19:27 AM MeekDazzle
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. He also attacked the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it, but the deception was discovered in the fly. He also stole things for Egghead, who then framed him. He served time in prison and eventually defeated Egghead, whose mind manipulations were put into the light. However, the Avengers also tested specifically if he attacked Jan under mind control, and found that he didn't. This event has been references by all future writers since then. Some authors (like Kurt Busiek and Dan Slott) write him trying to get past the old shame, and others (like Chuck Austen and Mark Millar) write him again as a violent wife-beater.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. He also attacked the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it, but the deception was discovered in the fly. He also stole things for Egghead, who then framed him. He served time in prison and eventually defeated Egghead, whose mind manipulations were put into the light. However, the Avengers also tested specifically if he attacked Jan under mind control, and found that he didn't. This event has been references by all future writers since then. Some authors (like Kurt Busiek and Dan Slott) write him trying to get past the old shame, and while others (like Chuck Austen and Mark Millar) write him again as a violent wife-beater. Chuck Austen even wrote him as a misogynist during his Avengers run.
15th Jan '18 6:17:27 AM MeekDazzle
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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. He also attacked the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it, but the deception was discovered in the fly. He also stole things for Egghead, who then framed him. He served time in prison and eventually defeated Egghead, whose mind manipulations were put into the light. However, the Avengers also tested specifically if he attacked Jan under mind control, and found that he didn't. This event has been references by all future writers since then. Some authors (like Kurt Busiek and Dan Slott) write him trying to get past the old shame, and others (like Mark Millar) write him again as a violent wife-beater.

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* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]], a founding member of Comicbook/TheAvengers, once hit his wife Janet Van Dyne (ComicBook/TheWasp) during a [[FreakOut mental-breakdown-induced]] FaceHeelTurn. He also attacked the Avengers with a giant robot, just so that he could look like a hero when he stopped it, but the deception was discovered in the fly. He also stole things for Egghead, who then framed him. He served time in prison and eventually defeated Egghead, whose mind manipulations were put into the light. However, the Avengers also tested specifically if he attacked Jan under mind control, and found that he didn't. This event has been references by all future writers since then. Some authors (like Kurt Busiek and Dan Slott) write him trying to get past the old shame, and others (like Chuck Austen and Mark Millar) write him again as a violent wife-beater.
11th Jan '18 9:22:09 PM Aquillion
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** In addition, his fight against Superman is often one of the most cited examples of "Batman always defeating Superman", never mind the measures that Batman had to take just to hold him down for periods, the fact that Superman was constantly holding back, and that he had outside help. Oh yeah, and ultimately ''Batman lost'' that fight. (And used it to help fake his death.)

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** In addition, his fight against Superman is often one of the most cited examples of "Batman always defeating Superman", never mind the measures that Batman had to take just to hold him down for periods, the fact that Superman was constantly holding back, and that he had outside help. Oh yeah, and ultimately ''Batman lost'' that fight. (And used (He fakes his death at the end, which benefits him in the long term, but Superman's reaction at the funeral makes it clear he wasn't fooled and ultimately allowed it to help fake his death.happen.)
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