History Music / TheSmiths

6th May '16 10:42:19 PM ThornBrain
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%%* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Morrissey.

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%%* * JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Morrissey.Morrissey had turns of this. He often insulted other artists and pissed people off throughout the band's run, but he also wore a fake hearing aid during the band's 1986 ''Old Grey Whistle Test'' performance to support a hearing-impaired fan who was ashamed of wearing one.
6th May '16 10:30:15 PM ThornBrain
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* AmusingInjuries: "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before."
* AntiLoveSong: "Unhappy Birthday"

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* AmusingInjuries: The narrator of "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before."
*
Before" injures himself on the crossbar of his bicycle, apparently breaking his spleen and knee.
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AntiLoveSong: "Unhappy Birthday"



* AutoErotica: "You've Got Everything Now"
* BanisterSlide: "Vicar In A Tutu"

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* %%* AutoErotica: "You've Got Everything Now"
* %%* BanisterSlide: "Vicar In A Tutu"



* ClosetKey: "This Charming Man"

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* ClosetKey: "This Charming Man"Man" is about a man's bicycle getting a flat tire, and he's picked up by a passing, charming rich man. They proceed to flirt during the ride, though the protagonist is still hesitant about it.



* CovertPervert: [[FanNickname Moz]] himself.

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* %%* CovertPervert: [[FanNickname Moz]] himself.



* DeanBitterman: "The Headmaster Ritual"
* DoubleEntendre: Too many lyrics to list.

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* %%* DeanBitterman: "The Headmaster Ritual"
* %%* DoubleEntendre: Too many lyrics to list.



-->Oh, so I drank one
-->It became four
-->And when I fell on the floor
-->...I drank more

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-->Oh, -->''Oh, so I drank one
-->It
one''\\
''It
became four
-->And
four''\\
''And
when I fell on the floor
-->...
floor''\\
''...
I drank more more''



* DudeShesLikeInAComa: "Girlfriend in a coma, I know, I know, it's really serious." Alternate trope title.



* {{Gayngst}}

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* %%* {{Gayngst}}



* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Morrissey.

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* %%* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Morrissey.



* MadLove: A theme in some of their songs.

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* %%* MadLove: A theme in some of their songs.



* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: The Smiths never went very high up it, pushing a 3-4 at most in their most aggressive moments- the lyrics were where the darkness was, not the music. However, when asked in an [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/johnny-marr-has-no-negative-thoughts-about-the-smi,73276/ AV Club interview]], Johnny Marr [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] the trope by mentioning how he felt that bands that drew inspiration from the Smiths like Belle and Sebastian were too lightweight compared to them:
-->Iíve heard some records by bands that came after us who had their music been any more fey and lightweight, then Iíd expect petals to come out of the speakers. [Laughs.] Thatís kind of missing what we were about, because The Smiths were not all ďOscar Wilde at 3:30 in the afternoonĒ and feyness. The truth of it is, if you were to see any songs from any of our shows, we were, what I would say, quite heavy. Even the ballads were intense. We were a rock band, really, that played a type of pop music, if I care to analyze it. I donít know very much about The Wedding Presentís music, but what Iíve heard of Belle & Sebastian was often quite fey, and light in a very deliberate way. I think they have their own thing, which is absolutely fine. But I donít actually think they sound like The Smiths.
** "How Soon is Now?" is probably a 5 or 6
* MoneySong: "Frankly, Mr. Shankly".

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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: The Smiths never went very high up it, pushing a 3-4 at most in their most aggressive moments- moments and 5-6 for "How Soon is Now?" - the lyrics were where the darkness was, not the music. However, when asked in an [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/johnny-marr-has-no-negative-thoughts-about-the-smi,73276/ AV Club interview]], Johnny Marr [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] the trope by mentioning how he felt that bands that drew inspiration from the Smiths like Belle and Sebastian were too lightweight compared to them:
-->Iíve -->"Iíve heard some records by bands that came after us who had their music been any more fey and lightweight, then Iíd expect petals to come out of the speakers. [Laughs.] Thatís kind of missing what we were about, because The Smiths were not all ďOscar Wilde at 3:30 in the afternoonĒ and feyness. The truth of it is, if you were to see any songs from any of our shows, we were, what I would say, quite heavy. Even the ballads were intense. We were a rock band, really, that played a type of pop music, if I care to analyze it. I donít know very much about The Wedding Presentís music, but what Iíve heard of Belle & Sebastian was often quite fey, and light in a very deliberate way. I think they have their own thing, which is absolutely fine. But I donít actually think they sound like The Smiths.
** "How Soon is Now?" is probably a 5 or 6
*
Smiths."
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MoneySong: "Frankly, Mr. Shankly".



--> I wish I could remember exactly how we did the slide part -- not writing it down is one of the banes of my life! We did it in three passes through a harmonizer, set to some weird interval, like a sixth. There was a different harmonization for each pass. For the line in harmonics, I retuned the guitar so that I could play it all at the 12th fret with natural harmonics. It's doubled several times.

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--> I "I wish I could remember exactly how we did the slide part -- not writing it down is one of the banes of my life! We did it in three passes through a harmonizer, set to some weird interval, like a sixth. There was a different harmonization for each pass. For the line in harmonics, I retuned the guitar so that I could play it all at the 12th fret with natural harmonics. It's doubled several times."



* ObsessionSong: "Paint a Vulgar Picture"

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* %%* ObsessionSong: "Paint a Vulgar Picture"



* OopNorth
* ProtestSong: "The Headmaster Ritual", "Meat Is Murder", and "Barbarism Begins At Home"

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* OopNorth
OopNorth: One of Manchester's beloved musical exports.
* ProtestSong: ProtestSong:
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"The Headmaster Ritual", "Meat Is Murder", Ritual" and "Barbarism Begins At Home"Home" against child abuse, the former by teachers and the latter by parents.
** "Meat Is Murder" against animal slaughter.



* SmallNameBigEgo: Morrissey.
* SmokingIsCool: Admit it, Johnny looked pretty damn cool with a cigarette.

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* SmallNameBigEgo: Morrissey.
Morrissey was mouthy and pissed off a lot of music industry people all throughout The Smiths' rise in popularity.
* SmokingIsCool: Admit it, Johnny looked pretty damn cool with a cigarette.



* ThreeChordsAndTheTruth: To an extent. The band's music was generally intricate and melodic but the emphasis on guitar-based rock was a reaction against synthesizer-heavy Eighties pop music.

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* SuspiciouslySpecificDenial: The narrator of "Stop Me if You Think You've Heard This One Before" names off some of the injuries he received from his bicycle accident, then follows them with "Who said I lied to her?/Because I never".
* ThreeChordsAndTheTruth: To an extent. The band's music was generally intricate and melodic melodic, but the emphasis on guitar-based rock was a reaction against synthesizer-heavy Eighties pop music.



* WordSaladTitle: The band named themselves "The Smiths" as a [[AvertedTrope reaction, against]] the word salad band names of their contemporaries.
* WriterOnBoard: ''Meat is Murder,'' as Morrissey supports PETA, and has stated he accepts the violent actions of {{Animal Wrongs Group}}s. Based on interviews they've given, the rest of the band, seems to have reacted to his fervency with mild exasperation, but they are all vegetarians as well, and avoid animal products.
* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Both Morrissey and Marr, forbade the Prime Minister David Cameron, from listening to The Smiths.

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* WordSaladTitle: The band named themselves "The Smiths" as a [[AvertedTrope reaction, reaction against]] the word salad band names of their contemporaries.
* WriterOnBoard: ''Meat is Murder,'' as Morrissey supports PETA, and has stated he accepts the violent actions of {{Animal Wrongs Group}}s. Based on interviews they've given, the rest of the band, band seems to have reacted to his fervency with mild exasperation, but they are all vegetarians as well, well and avoid animal products.
* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Both Morrissey and Marr, Marr forbade the Prime Minister David Cameron, Cameron from listening to The Smiths.
27th Feb '16 2:19:49 AM aye_amber
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* UnrequitedLove: A recurring lyrical theme, often going straight into ObsessionSong territory. Examples include "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out", "I Want The One I Can't Have", and "I Know It's Over."

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* UnrequitedLove: {{Unrequited Love|Tropes}}: A recurring lyrical theme, often going straight into ObsessionSong territory. Examples include "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out", "I Want The One I Can't Have", and "I Know It's Over."
5th Jan '16 9:11:08 PM spirasen
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: This seems to be the case with Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and is often cited one of the reasons The Smiths broke up to begin with, and one of the other reasons why the Smiths won't have a reunion. That and [[LongList a wide range of 'reasons']] both Marr and Morrissey state every time speculation of a reunion is said.
* WholesomeCrossdresser: The title character of "Vicar In A Tutu."
* WordSaladTitle: The band named themselves "the Smiths" as a [[AvertedTrope reaction against]] the word salad band names of their contemporaries.
* WriterOnBoard: ''Meat is Murder'', as Morrisey supports PETA and has stated he accepts the violent actions of {{Animal Wrongs Group}}s. Based on interviews they've given, the rest of the band seems to have reacted to his fervency with mild exasperation, but they are all vegetarians as well and avoid animal products.
* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Both Morrissey and Marr have forbade the Prime Minister David Cameron from listening to The Smiths.

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* WeUsedToBeFriends: This seems to be the case with Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and is often cited one of the reasons The Smiths broke up to begin with, and one of the other reasons why the Smiths won't have a reunion. That and [[LongList a wide range of 'reasons']] ''reasons,'']] both Marr and Morrissey Morrissey, state every time speculation of a reunion is said.
* WholesomeCrossdresser: The title character of "Vicar In A in a Tutu."
* WordSaladTitle: The band named themselves "the "The Smiths" as a [[AvertedTrope reaction reaction, against]] the word salad band names of their contemporaries.
* WriterOnBoard: ''Meat is Murder'', Murder,'' as Morrisey Morrissey supports PETA PETA, and has stated he accepts the violent actions of {{Animal Wrongs Group}}s. Based on interviews they've given, the rest of the band band, seems to have reacted to his fervency with mild exasperation, but they are all vegetarians as well well, and avoid animal products.
* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Both Morrissey and Marr have Marr, forbade the Prime Minister David Cameron Cameron, from listening to The Smiths.
26th Feb '15 12:40:36 AM Elusivehawk
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->''So, I broke into the palace\\

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->''So, ->''"So, I broke into the palace\\



She said: "Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing"\\
I said: "That's nothing - you should hear me play piano.''"

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She said: "Eh, 'Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing"\\
sing'\\
I said: "That's 'That's nothing - you should hear me play piano.''"'"''
16th Feb '15 6:55:31 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: This seems to be the case with Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and is often cited one of the reasons The Smiths broke up to begin with, and one of the other reasons why the Smiths won't have a reunion. That and [[OverlyLongList a wide range of 'reasons']] both Marr and Morrissey state every time speculation of a reunion is said.

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* WeUsedToBeFriends: This seems to be the case with Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and is often cited one of the reasons The Smiths broke up to begin with, and one of the other reasons why the Smiths won't have a reunion. That and [[OverlyLongList [[LongList a wide range of 'reasons']] both Marr and Morrissey state every time speculation of a reunion is said.
16th Feb '15 6:54:55 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: This seems to be the case with Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and is often cited one of the reasons The Smiths broke up to begin with, and one of the other reasons why the Smiths won't have a reunion. That and [[OverlyLongList a wide range of 'reasons']] both Marr and Morrissey state every time speculation of a reunion is said.
7th Dec '14 12:23:31 PM Patachou
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* SerialKiller: The song "Suffer Little Children" was written about RealLife killers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. Morrissey's fascination with serial killers continued in his solo career with songs like "JackTheRipper."

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* SerialKiller: The song "Suffer Little Children" was written about RealLife killers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. Morrissey's fascination with serial killers continued in his solo career with songs like "JackTheRipper."UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper."
30th Nov '14 6:26:39 PM DavidDelony
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* RecursiveImport: ''Louder Than Bombs'' was initially released in America, but Rough Trade issued it in the U.K. a few months after the release of ''The World Won't Listen'' simply to save obsessive fans from having to pay high import prices. It retailed for the price of a single LP despite being a double album, though some fans [[UnpleasableFanbase did complain]] about having to pay twice for what was essentially the same thing.
5th Oct '14 11:41:54 PM ThornBrain
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* AlliterativeTitle: "Death of a Disco Dancer", "Meat is Murder", "Rubber Ring", "Rushholme Ruffians", "Shakespeare's Sister", "These Things Take Time", "Well I Wonder", "What's the World", "Wonderful Woman".

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* AlliterativeTitle: AlliterativeTitle:
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"Death of a Disco Dancer", "Meat is Murder", "Rubber Ring", "Rushholme Ruffians", "Shakespeare's Sister", "These Things Take Time", "Well I Wonder", "What's the World", "Wonderful Woman".



* BlackSheepHit: Their best known song, "How Soon Is Now?", doesn't sound like their usual jangly style - it's more dance-rock.



* CoverVersion: "Work Is a Four-Letter Word" by Cilla Black and "Golden Lights" by {{Twinkle}} are infamous for incensing Johnny Marr to the point that he left the band, leading to their breakup.

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* CoverVersion: "Work Is a Four-Letter Word" by Cilla Black and "Golden Lights" by {{Twinkle}} Music/{{Twinkle}} are infamous for incensing Johnny Marr to the point that he left the band, leading to their breakup.



* DeadpanSnarker: Morrissey is notable RealLife example of this.

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* DeadpanSnarker: Morrissey is notable a RealLife example of this.



* DumbassDJ: "Panic" was inspired by one at the BBC who played Wham's "I'm Your Man" after announcing the Chernobyl disaster, namely Steve Wright.

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* DumbassDJ: "Panic" was inspired by one Steve Wright at the BBC BBC, who played Wham's "I'm Your Man" after announcing the Chernobyl disaster, namely Steve Wright.disaster.



* EpicRocking: "How Soon Is Now?", "The Queen Is Dead" and "Barbarism Begins At Home" all exceed the 6-minute mark.
** By album:
*** The Smiths Reel Around The Fountain (5:58) and Suffer Little Children (5:28)
*** Meat Is Murder: Barbarism Begins At Home (6:57) and the title track (6:06)
*** The Queen Is Dead: The title track (6:24) and I Know It's Over (5:48)
*** Strangeways, Here We Come: Death Of A Disco Dancer (5:26), Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (5:01), Paint A Vulgar Picture (5:35)
*** Hatful Of Hollow: How Soon Is Now? (6:44), Reel Around The Fountain (5:51, from The Peel Sessions)
*** Rank: Bigmouth Strikes Again (5:51)
*** Neither The World Won't Listen Or Louder Than Bombs have any.
* FakeOutFadeOut: "That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore" fades out, then back in before carrying on for another minute and fading out again.

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* EpicRocking: "How Soon Is Now?", "The Queen Is Dead" and "Barbarism Begins At Home" all exceed the 6-minute mark.
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By album:
*** The Smiths ** ''The Smiths'': Reel Around The Fountain (5:58) and Suffer Little Children (5:28)
*** Meat ** ''Meat Is Murder: Murder'': Barbarism Begins At Home (6:57) and the title track (6:06)
*** The ** ''The Queen Is Dead: Dead'': The title track (6:24) and I Know It's Over (5:48)
*** Strangeways, ** ''Strangeways, Here We Come: Come'': Death Of A Disco Dancer (5:26), Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (5:01), Paint A Vulgar Picture (5:35)
*** Hatful ** ''Hatful Of Hollow: Hollow'': How Soon Is Now? (6:44), Reel Around The Fountain (5:51, from The Peel Sessions)
*** Rank: ** ''Rank'': Bigmouth Strikes Again (5:51)
*** Neither The World Won't Listen Or Louder Than Bombs have any.
* FakeOutFadeOut: FakeOutFadeOut:
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"That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore" fades out, then back in before carrying on for another minute and fading out again.



* IWantSong: "Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want"

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* IWantSong: "Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want"Want".



* JustJokingJustification: The aptly titled "Bigmouth Strikes Again." "Sweetness, sweetness, I was only joking when I said I'd like to smash every tooth in your head..."

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* JustJokingJustification: The aptly titled "Bigmouth Strikes Again." "Sweetness, "
-->"Sweetness,
sweetness, I was only joking when I said I'd like to smash every tooth in your head..."



* NewSoundAlbum: ''The Queen is Dead'', which featured more elaborate production than on their previous albums and singles. And then there is ''Strangeways, Here We Come'' which largely abandons the jangle pop sound that they are known for.

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* NewSoundAlbum: NewSoundAlbum:
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''The Queen is Dead'', which featured more elaborate production than on their previous albums and singles. And then there is singles.
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''Strangeways, Here We Come'' which largely abandons the jangle pop sound that they are known for.



* ThePeteBest: Dale Hibbert, their first bass player, was fired after their first gig because Johnny Marr felt he wasn't a good fit for the band. Since he worked at a studio, he was able to help the band record their first demos.



* RealitySubtext: According to Tony Fletcher's bio of the band, ''A Light That Never Goes Out'', "The Headmaster Ritual" was based on an actual daily event of that name at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Secondary Modern, Morrissey's alma mater, where during morning assembly the headmaster would find some minor detail amiss about some child's, say, uniform, call him up to the front and excoriate him for it in front of the entire school, then take him down to his office and give the kid a couple on the bare buttocks with a leather strap. And that was just the ''official'' punishment.



* SixthRanger: Craig Gannon

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* SixthRanger: Second guitarist Craig GannonGannon, who only appeared on the "Panic" and "Ask" singles and the live ''Rank'' album.



* SomethingCompletelyDifferent: ''Strangeways, Here We Come'' opens with the guitarless "A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours."

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* SomethingCompletelyDifferent: SomethingCompletelyDifferent:
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''Strangeways, Here We Come'' opens with the guitarless "A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours."



* StageNames: [[OnlyOneName Morrissey]]'s full name is Steven Patrick Morrissey, and Johnny Marr's real name is John Maher. (The latter changed his name to [[OneSteveLimit avoid confusion with the drummer of the Buzzcocks]].)
** And he chose Johnny Marr because it [[StealthPun sounds like]] the [[GeniusBonus French phrase 'J'en ai marre']], which roughly means 'I'm fed up with it all'.

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* StageNames: [[OnlyOneName Morrissey]]'s full name is Steven Patrick Morrissey, and Johnny Marr's real name is John Maher. (The The latter changed his name to [[OneSteveLimit avoid confusion with the drummer of the Buzzcocks]].)
** And he chose Johnny Marr
Buzzcocks]] and because it [[StealthPun sounds like]] the [[GeniusBonus [[BilingualBonus French phrase 'J'en ai marre']], which roughly means 'I'm fed up with it all'.



* UnrequitedLove: A recurring lyrical theme, often going straight into ObsessionSong territory. Notable examples include "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out", "I Want The One I Can't Have", and "I Know It's Over."
* UrExample: "How Soon is Now?" might be the UrExample of {{Shoegazing}}
* TechnologyMarchesOn: The line 'and her Walkman started to melt' from "Bigmouth Strikes Again" is often updated by Morrissey in live performances to 'and her iPod started to melt'.

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* UnrequitedLove: A recurring lyrical theme, often going straight into ObsessionSong territory. Notable examples Examples include "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out", "I Want The One I Can't Have", and "I Know It's Over."
* UrExample: "How Soon is Now?" might be the is an UrExample of {{Shoegazing}}
* TechnologyMarchesOn: The line 'and her Walkman started to melt' from "Bigmouth Strikes Again" is often updated by Morrissey in live performances to 'and her iPod started to melt'.
{{Shoegazing}}.



* WriterOnBoard: ''Meat is Murder'' is most likely an example, as Morrisey supports PETA and has stated he accepts the violent actions of {{Animal Wrongs Group}}s. Based on interviews they've given, the rest of the band seems to have reacted to his fervency with mild exasperation, but they are all vegetarians as well and avoid animal products.
* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Apparently both Morrissey and Marr have forbade the Prime Minister David Cameron from listening to The Smiths.

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* WriterOnBoard: ''Meat is Murder'' is most likely an example, Murder'', as Morrisey supports PETA and has stated he accepts the violent actions of {{Animal Wrongs Group}}s. Based on interviews they've given, the rest of the band seems to have reacted to his fervency with mild exasperation, but they are all vegetarians as well and avoid animal products.
* YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame: Apparently both Both Morrissey and Marr have forbade the Prime Minister David Cameron from listening to The Smiths.
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