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History Music / GustavMahler

15th Dec '15 3:07:35 PM Morgenthaler
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->''"[[NeverAcceptedInHisHometown I am thrice homeless]], as a native of Bohemia in Austria, as an Austrian among Germans, and [[WanderingJew as a Jew throughout the world]]. [[TheWoobie Everywhere an intruder, never welcomed.]]"''

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->''"[[NeverAcceptedInHisHometown I ->''"I am thrice homeless]], homeless, as a native of Bohemia in Austria, as an Austrian among Germans, and [[WanderingJew as a Jew throughout the world]]. [[TheWoobie world. Everywhere an intruder, never welcomed.]]"''"''
15th Dec '15 3:07:11 PM Morgenthaler
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* EscapedFromHell: Mahler's First Symphony details the life of a hero, including his funeral in the third movement. The final movement is him fighting his way out of Hell to ascend to Heaven.
9th Sep '15 8:11:13 PM mlsmithca
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* ThePowerOfLove: Strong believer of this, and considered God and Love to be one and the same. With the exception of the 6th, ''Das Lied von der Erde'', and the 9th symphony, his symphonies end in either a massive blaze of glory (Nos.1, 2, 5, 7, 8) or complete serenity (Nos.3, 4) in the finale, representing the victory of love over suffering.

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* ThePowerOfLove: Strong believer of this, and considered God and Love to be one and the same. With the exception of the 6th, No.4 (which ends serenely), No.6 (which ends brutally), ''Das Lied von der Erde'', Erde'' (which ends bleakly), and the 9th symphony, No.9 (which simply fades away), his symphonies end in either a massive blaze of glory (Nos.1, 2, 5, 7, 8) or complete serenity (Nos.3, 4) in the finale, representing the victory of love over suffering.
5th Sep '15 9:05:09 AM mlsmithca
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[[AuthorExistenceFailure Mahler died before he could complete his Tenth Symphony]]. Interestingly, he had feared exactly this: he believed in the "Curse of the Ninth", which states that a composer has to die after completing his/her ninth symphony, as had happened to Music/LudwigVanBeethoven, Music/FranzSchubert[[labelnote:*]] sort of; in Mahler's lifetime, Schubert was only seen as having written eight symphonies, as the symphony now known as No.7 only exists in sketch form[[/labelnote]], Anton Bruckner[[labelnote:*]] if one ignores two early symphonies, now known as No.00 and No.0[[/labelnote]], and Music/AntoninDvorak[[labelnote:*]] except that the symphonies now known as Nos.1-4 were not published until after Mahler (and, more importantly, Dvorak himself) had died[[/labelnote]], and as later happened to Ralph Vaughan Williams. Mahler tried to subvert the Curse by not numbering ''Das Lied von der Erde'' (''The Song of the Earth''). [[SelfFulfillingProphecy This would have been his ninth symphony]][[labelnote:*]] although the use of the term "symphony" to refer to the work is somewhat contentious[[/labelnote]], making the Ninth his actual 10th. It seems the Curse of the Ninth only goes after numbered symphonies...

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[[AuthorExistenceFailure Mahler died before he could complete his Tenth Symphony]]. Interestingly, he had feared exactly this: he believed in the "Curse of the Ninth", which states that a composer has to die after completing his/her ninth symphony, as had happened to Music/LudwigVanBeethoven, Music/FranzSchubert[[labelnote:*]] Music/FranzSchubert[[note]] sort of; in Mahler's lifetime, Schubert was only seen as having written eight symphonies, as the symphony now known as No.7 only exists in sketch form[[/labelnote]], form[[/note]], Anton Bruckner[[labelnote:*]] Bruckner[[note]] if one ignores two early symphonies, now known as No.00 and No.0[[/labelnote]], 0[[/note]], and Music/AntoninDvorak[[labelnote:*]] Music/AntoninDvorak[[note]] except that the symphonies now known as Nos.1-4 were not published until after Mahler (and, more importantly, Dvorak himself) had died[[/labelnote]], died[[/note]], and as later happened to Ralph Vaughan Williams. Mahler tried to subvert the Curse by not numbering ''Das Lied von der Erde'' (''The Song of the Earth''). [[SelfFulfillingProphecy This would have been his ninth symphony]][[labelnote:*]] symphony]][[note]] although the use of the term "symphony" to refer to the work is somewhat contentious[[/labelnote]], contentious[[/note]], making the Ninth his actual 10th. It seems the Curse of the Ninth only goes after numbered symphonies...



* BreakTheBadass: The whole point of the forth movement of the ''Tragic'' is to send the [[WorldOfHam ridiculously large orchestra]] through a series of twists of fate represented by hammer strokes until it gives up after [[RuleOfThree the third one]].

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* BreakTheBadass: The whole point of the forth fourth movement of the ''Tragic'' is to send the [[WorldOfHam ridiculously large orchestra]] through a series of twists of fate represented by hammer strokes until it gives up after [[RuleOfThree the third one]].



* DeadpanSnarker
-->'''Critic''': I trust you weren't offended by my negative critique of your recent symphony.
-->'''Mahler''': You just don't understand my music.
-->'''Critic''': You weren't of the same opinion when I praised your previous work.
-->'''Mahler''': You are quite mistaken. [[TakeThatCritics You didn't understand me when you praised me, either.]]

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* DeadpanSnarker
-->'''Critic''':
DeadpanSnarker:
** Mahler didn't think much of his critics.
--->'''Critic''':
I trust you weren't offended by my negative critique of your recent symphony.
-->'''Mahler''':
symphony.\\
'''Mahler''':
You just don't understand my music.
-->'''Critic''':
music.\\
'''Critic''':
You weren't of the same opinion when I praised your previous work.
-->'''Mahler''':
work.\\
'''Mahler''':
You are quite mistaken. [[TakeThatCritics You didn't understand me when you praised me, either.]]
2nd Sep '15 7:56:22 PM mlsmithca
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He mostly restricted his output to symphonies and song cycles. Mahler once remarked that "the symphony must be like the world. It must embrace everything." No wonder then that his symphonies work on a larger scale than anything previously conceived: some of them have elaborate philosophical programs, like his Symphony no. 3 which, like [[Music/AlsoSprachZarathustra Richard Strauss' tone poem]], is based on [[Creator/FriedrichNietzsche Nietzsche]]'s ''Literature/AlsoSprachZarathustra''. Mahler continually specified larger orchestras and more esoteric instruments; the culmination of this is his Symphony No. 8, which requires a ridiculously large number of musicians: double orchestra, an organist, eight vocal soloists and three choirs. Not surprisingly, then, it is often called the "Symphony of a Thousand".

He seems to have been fond of complaining that [[{{True Art is Angsty}} people did not understand his angst]], and his works [[{{True Art is Incomprehensible}} can sometimes be a little obtuse]].

Nonetheless, they are still considered powerful and emotionally affecting pieces of music. Many of his works, such as his Second and Fifth Symphonies, start out with a despairing and anguished tone that darkens even further throughout the work, only to [[{{Earn Your Happy Ending}} work their way]] to a [[{{Crowning Music of Awesome}} profoundly triumphant and joyous ending]].

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He mostly restricted his output to symphonies and song cycles. Mahler once remarked that "the symphony must be like the world. It must embrace everything." No wonder then that his symphonies work on a larger scale than anything previously conceived: some of them have elaborate philosophical programs, like his Symphony no.No. 3 which, like [[Music/AlsoSprachZarathustra Richard Strauss' tone poem]], is based on [[Creator/FriedrichNietzsche Nietzsche]]'s ''Literature/AlsoSprachZarathustra''. Mahler continually specified larger orchestras and more esoteric instruments; the culmination of this is his Symphony No. 8, which requires a ridiculously large number of musicians: double orchestra, an organist, eight vocal soloists and three choirs. Not surprisingly, then, it is often called the "Symphony of a Thousand".

He seems to have been fond of complaining that [[{{True Art is Angsty}} [[TrueArtIsAngsty people did not understand his angst]], and his works [[{{True Art is Incomprehensible}} [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible can sometimes be a little obtuse]].

Nonetheless, they are still considered powerful and emotionally affecting pieces of music. Many of his works, such as his Second and Fifth Symphonies, start out with a despairing and anguished tone that darkens even further throughout the work, only to [[{{Earn Your Happy Ending}} [[EarnYourHappyEnding work their way]] to a [[{{Crowning Music of Awesome}} profoundly triumphant and joyous ending]].
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[[{{Author Existence Failure}} Mahler died before he could complete his Tenth Symphony]]. Interestingly, he had feared exactly this: he believed in the "Curse of the Ninth", which states that a composer has to die after completing his/her ninth symphony, as had happened to Music/LudwigVanBeethoven, Music/FranzSchubert[[labelnote:*]] sort of; in Mahler's lifetime, Schubert was only seen as having written eight symphonies, as the symphony now known as No.7 only exists in sketch form[[/labelnote]], Anton Bruckner[[labelnote:*]] if one ignores two early symphonies, now known as No.00 and No.0[[/labelnote]], and Music/AntoninDvorak[[labelnote:*]] except that the symphonies now known as Nos.1-4 were not published until after Mahler (and, more importantly, Dvorak himself) had died[[/labelnote]], and as later happened to Ralph Vaughan Williams. Mahler tried to subvert the Curse by not numbering ''Das Lied von der Erde'' (''The Song of the Earth''). [[SelfFulfillingProphecy This would have been his ninth symphony]][[labelnote:*]] although the use of the term "symphony" to refer to the work is somewhat contentious[[/labelnote]], making the Ninth his actual 10th. It seems the Curse of the Ninth only goes after numbered symphonies...

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[[{{Author Existence Failure}} [[AuthorExistenceFailure Mahler died before he could complete his Tenth Symphony]]. Interestingly, he had feared exactly this: he believed in the "Curse of the Ninth", which states that a composer has to die after completing his/her ninth symphony, as had happened to Music/LudwigVanBeethoven, Music/FranzSchubert[[labelnote:*]] sort of; in Mahler's lifetime, Schubert was only seen as having written eight symphonies, as the symphony now known as No.7 only exists in sketch form[[/labelnote]], Anton Bruckner[[labelnote:*]] if one ignores two early symphonies, now known as No.00 and No.0[[/labelnote]], and Music/AntoninDvorak[[labelnote:*]] except that the symphonies now known as Nos.1-4 were not published until after Mahler (and, more importantly, Dvorak himself) had died[[/labelnote]], and as later happened to Ralph Vaughan Williams. Mahler tried to subvert the Curse by not numbering ''Das Lied von der Erde'' (''The Song of the Earth''). [[SelfFulfillingProphecy This would have been his ninth symphony]][[labelnote:*]] although the use of the term "symphony" to refer to the work is somewhat contentious[[/labelnote]], making the Ninth his actual 10th. It seems the Curse of the Ninth only goes after numbered symphonies...



--> '''Critic''': ''I trust you weren't offended by my negative critique of your recent symphony.''
--> '''Mahler''': ''You just don't understand my music.''
--> '''Critic''': ''You weren't of the same opinion when I praised your previous work.''
--> '''Mahler''': ''You are quite mistaken. [[TakeThatCritics You didn't understand me when you praised me, either.]]''
** When challenged to a duel, he declined with the words: ''I do not believe in the healing powers of dueling.''
* DownerEnding: The 6th symphony, [[FanNickname so-called]] ''Tragic'', ends with a massive dissonant tutti burst just to be silenced by a lonely pianissimo, representing the loss of hope.

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--> '''Critic''': ''I -->'''Critic''': I trust you weren't offended by my negative critique of your recent symphony.''
--> '''Mahler''': ''You
symphony.
-->'''Mahler''': You
just don't understand my music.''
--> '''Critic''': ''You
music.
-->'''Critic''': You
weren't of the same opinion when I praised your previous work.''
--> '''Mahler''': ''You
work.
-->'''Mahler''': You
are quite mistaken. [[TakeThatCritics You didn't understand me when you praised me, either.]]''
]]
** When challenged to a duel, he declined with the words: ''I "I do not believe in the healing powers of dueling.''
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* DownerEnding: DownerEnding:
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The 6th symphony, [[FanNickname so-called]] ''Tragic'', ends with a massive dissonant tutti burst just to be silenced by a lonely pianissimo, representing the loss of hope.



* EverythingIsAnInstrument: The infamous ''Mahlerhammer'' in the 6th symphony is a large wooden hammer, used as a percussive instrument.
** Also needs [[Creator/ChristopherWalken more cowbell]] in the finale.
* {{Expy}}: Gustav von Aschenbach of ''Literature/DeathInVenice'' is closely modeled after Mahler.
** Even more so in the FilmOfTheBook where Aschenbach is a conductor and composer instead of a writer. Movie-Aschenbach [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed is Mahler with a moustache]], really. Even Aschenbach's wife looks exactly like Alma. The soundtrack to said film also consists of Mahler.

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* EverythingIsAnInstrument: The infamous ''Mahlerhammer'' in the 6th symphony is a large wooden hammer, used as a percussive instrument.
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instrument. Also needs [[Creator/ChristopherWalken more cowbell]] in the finale.
* {{Expy}}: Gustav von Aschenbach of ''Literature/DeathInVenice'' is closely modeled after Mahler.
**
Mahler. Even more so in the FilmOfTheBook where Aschenbach is a conductor and composer instead of a writer. Movie-Aschenbach [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed is Mahler with a moustache]], really. Even Aschenbach's wife looks exactly like Alma. The soundtrack to said film also consists of Mahler.



* ThePowerOfLove: Strong believer of this, and considered God and Love to be one and the same. With the exception of the 6th, ''Das Lied von der Erde'', and the 9th symphony, his symphonies end in either a massive blaze of glory (Nos.1, 2, 5, 7, 8) or complete serenity (Nos.3, 4) in the finale, representing the victory of love over suffering.



* ThePowerOfLove: Strong believer of this, and considered God and Love to be one and the same. With the exception of the 6th, ''das Lied von der Erde'' and the 9th symphony, his symphonies [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome end in a massive blaze of glory]] in the finale, representing the victory of love over suffering.



* WorldOfHam: The 8th symphony with ''three'' choirs, multiple soloists, a church organ and a double orchestra.



* WorldOfHam: The 8th symphony with ''three'' choirs, multiple soloists, a church organ and a double orchestra.

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* WorldOfHam: The 8th symphony with ''three'' choirs, multiple soloists, a church organ and a double orchestra.

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19th Jul '15 2:36:50 PM ParanoiaAgent
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* BreakTheBadass: The whole point of the forth movement of the ''Tragic'' is to send the [[WorldOfHam ridiculously large orchestra]] through a series of twists of fate represented by hammer strokes until it gives up after [[RuleOfThree the third one]].



* TraumaCongaLine: The third hammer stroke in his 6th symphony, after which everything dies down... [[LastNoteNightmare until one last desperate tutti stroke ends it]].

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* TraumaCongaLine: The third hammer stroke in his 6th symphony, [[DespairEventHorizon after which everything dies down...down]]... [[LastNoteNightmare until one last desperate tutti stroke ends it]].
19th Jul '15 2:27:59 PM ParanoiaAgent
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* TraumaCongaLine: The third hammer stroke in his 6th symphony, after which everything dies down... [[LastNoteNightmare until one last desperate tutti stroke ends it]].
25th May '15 8:08:24 AM Patachou
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* {{Angst}}: He is one of the most famous composers who expressed this feeling in his music.
23rd May '15 10:15:19 AM ParanoiaAgent
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* {{Expy}}: Gustav von Aschenbach of ''Literature/DeathInVenice'' is closely modeled after Mahler.
**Even more so in the FilmOfTheBook where Aschenbach is a conductor and composer instead of a writer. Movie-Aschenbach [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed is Mahler with a moustache]], really. Even Aschenbach's wife looks exactly like Alma. The soundtrack to said film also consists of Mahler.
19th May '15 1:50:58 PM ParanoiaAgent
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* {{Bookworm}}: Famously read all the time. He actually started the day with Goethe instead of newspapers.
* BunnyEarsLawyer


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* DeadpanSnarker
--> '''Critic''': ''I trust you weren't offended by my negative critique of your recent symphony.''
--> '''Mahler''': ''You just don't understand my music.''
--> '''Critic''': ''You weren't of the same opinion when I praised your previous work.''
--> '''Mahler''': ''You are quite mistaken. [[TakeThatCritics You didn't understand me when you praised me, either.]]''
** When challenged to a duel, he declined with the words: ''I do not believe in the healing powers of dueling.''
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