History MoralEventHorizon / VideoGames

11th Jun '17 10:38:25 AM MysteriousZorua1994
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** "Unnecessary Initiative Omega 91" is this for Cassiopeia, given she spends the entire time trying to kill Ratchet and orders the other Valkyries [[spoiler:to execute Clank]]. And like Courtney Gears before her, Cassiopeia is quite a sadist over this. Carina crosses this as well when she attacks Ratchet to prevent him from reaching Valpedia, [[WeHardlyKnewYa leading to her imminent]] KarmicDeath.

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** "Unnecessary Initiative Omega 91" is this for Cassiopeia, given she spends the entire time trying to kill Ratchet and orders the other Valkyries [[spoiler:to execute Clank]]. And like Courtney Gears before her, Cassiopeia is quite a sadist over this. Carina crosses this as well when she attacks Ratchet to prevent him from reaching Valpedia, [[WeHardlyKnewYa [[WeHardlyKnewYe leading to her imminent]] KarmicDeath.
11th Jun '17 10:35:36 AM MysteriousZorua1994
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** Gleeman Vox of ''Deadlocked'' runs a major criminal organization with Ace Hardlight as his [[TheDragon Number 2]], and has heroes kidnapped all over the universe and forced to fight to the death on television. Note that two of these heroes were ''teenage girls'', too! But if all this mass kidnapping isn't enough to cross the line, [[spoiler:him blowing up the [=DreadZone arena=] with everyone inside, all for ratings, while he watches from the sidelines]], definitely ''is''.

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** Gleeman Vox of ''Deadlocked'' runs a major criminal organization with Ace Hardlight as his [[TheDragon Number 2]], and has heroes kidnapped all over the universe and forced to fight to the death on television. Note that two of these heroes were ''teenage girls'', too! But if all this mass kidnapping isn't enough to cross the line, [[spoiler:him blowing up the [=DreadZone arena=] with everyone (including children) inside, all for ratings, while he watches from the sidelines]], definitely ''is''.



** As they are AlwaysChaoticEvil, all Cragmites are beyond this line upon birth. However, Emperor Tachyon, the BigBad of ''Tools of Destruction'', crosses this line [[spoiler:by waging genocide against the lombaxes out of anger for them banishing his own race. Oh, and some of the lombaxes ''raised him'']]. Tachyon's subsequent iron-fisted rule over Polaris has him cross the line so many times (one line at the Imperial Fight Festival implies that he murdered an entire orphanage full of children), only IRIS would know the exact amount of times he crossed it.
** "Unnecessary Initiative Omega 91" is this for Cassiopeia, given she spends the entire time trying to kill Ratchet and orders the other Valkyries [[spoiler:to execute Clank]]. And like Courtney Gears before her, Cassiopeia is quite sadistic over this.

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** As they are AlwaysChaoticEvil, all Cragmites are beyond this line upon birth. However, Emperor Tachyon, the BigBad of ''Tools of Destruction'', crosses this line [[spoiler:by waging genocide against the lombaxes out of anger for them banishing his own race. Oh, and some of the lombaxes ''raised him'']]. Tachyon's subsequent iron-fisted rule over Polaris has him cross the line so many times (one line at the Imperial Fight Festival implies and countless offscreen genocides[[note]]his first scene states that he murdered an entire orphanage full will be ruler of children), only IRIS would know the exact amount universe pending the extinction of times several species[[/note]]have indicated that he crossed it.
''enjoys'' crossing the MEH, and seems to commit various crimes that are MEH crossings frequently.
** "Unnecessary Initiative Omega 91" is this for Cassiopeia, given she spends the entire time trying to kill Ratchet and orders the other Valkyries [[spoiler:to execute Clank]]. And like Courtney Gears before her, Cassiopeia is quite sadistic a sadist over this.this. Carina crosses this as well when she attacks Ratchet to prevent him from reaching Valpedia, [[WeHardlyKnewYa leading to her imminent]] KarmicDeath.
5th Jun '17 12:09:03 AM infernape612
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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' is no slouch in regards to this...
** [[TheCaligula King Gangrel]] has his moment when he not only [[spoiler:captures Emmeryn]], but he forces her and [[spoiler:Chrom]] into a SadisticChoice that finishes [[spoiler:with Emmeryn's HeroicSuicide]]... and then ''laughs about it''. It's '''NO''' wonder that [[spoiler:Chrom]] is absolutely enraged afterwards [[spoiler:and that, after his BreakTheHaughty -> HeelFaceTurn, Gangrel is [[TheAtoner NOT pleased with himself]].]]
** [[SmugSnake Excellus]] crosses it via [[spoiler:giving a cruel BreakingLecture to [[BadassPrincess Say'ri]], which includes telling her that her apparently traitorous brother, Yen'fay, was actually trying to protect her.]] Again, no wonder that [[spoiler:Say'ri goes all BewareTheQuietOnes on him.]]
** [[spoiler:Validar]] has many MEH crossings under his belt. Having his [[spoiler:own blood son/daughter, [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]], '''[[SuperBreedingProgram bred and raised]] as the prospect vessel of [[EvilGod Grima]]''']] is pretty despicable, but might be EvilCannotComprehendGood as he himself was also raised this way. Thus, the worst one is [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was a little girl'']], as revealed in spotpass content.
* And then, there's ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates''...
** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians]] in ''Conquest'' Chapter 13.
** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler: giving orders to break through Xander and the Avatar's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler: trying to force the Avatar into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via a HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler: intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelation'')
** The BiggerBad [[spoiler: Anankos]] also has several moments qualifying as this, and the biggest ones are: [[spoiler: corrupting the aforementioned Garon from a troubled King to a bloodthirsty tyrant that caused at least two wars for him]] and [[spoiler: reviving the murdered Sumeragi and set him up to kill the Avatar (which resulted in Sumeragi killing ''his own widow'' Mikoto when she realised this and went TakingTheBullet for the Avatar)]] (all paths); [[spoiler: [[MoreThanMindControl corrupting the very troubled Prince Takumi]] into becoming the FinalBoss of the game]] (''Conquest''), [[spoiler: forcibly reviving the aforementioned Mikoto and her sister Arete as his BrainwashedAndCrazy slaves alongside Sumeragi]] (''Revelation''); [[spoiler: manipulating [[WellDoneSonGuy his daughter Lilith]] for years and siccing her on the heroes]] (''Hidden Truths'' DLC) and [[spoiler: destroying ''several'' worlds, then setting up the few survivors from the game's Second Generation into a sort of DeadlyGame]] (''Heirs of Fate'' DLC)

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* ** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' is no slouch in regards to this...
** *** [[TheCaligula King Gangrel]] has his moment when he not only [[spoiler:captures Emmeryn]], but he forces her and [[spoiler:Chrom]] into a SadisticChoice that finishes [[spoiler:with Emmeryn's HeroicSuicide]]... and then ''laughs about it''. It's '''NO''' wonder that [[spoiler:Chrom]] is absolutely enraged afterwards [[spoiler:and that, after his BreakTheHaughty -> HeelFaceTurn, Gangrel is [[TheAtoner NOT pleased with himself]].]]
** *** [[SmugSnake Excellus]] crosses it via [[spoiler:giving a cruel BreakingLecture to [[BadassPrincess Say'ri]], which includes telling her that her apparently traitorous brother, Yen'fay, was actually trying to protect her.]] Again, no wonder that [[spoiler:Say'ri goes all BewareTheQuietOnes on him.]]
** *** [[spoiler:Validar]] has many MEH crossings under his belt. Having his [[spoiler:own blood son/daughter, [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]], '''[[SuperBreedingProgram bred and raised]] as the prospect vessel of [[EvilGod Grima]]''']] is pretty despicable, but might be EvilCannotComprehendGood as he himself was also raised this way. Thus, the worst one is [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was a little girl'']], as revealed in spotpass content.
* ** And then, there's ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates''...
** *** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians]] in ''Conquest'' Chapter 13.
** *** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler: giving orders to break through Xander and the Avatar's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler: trying to force the Avatar into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via a HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler: intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelation'')
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''Revelation''). It's then revealed [[spoiler:that the Garon we know is nothing but a corpse that is kept alive and brainwashed by the next guy on this list, so Garon himself subverts the trope]].
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The BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain [[spoiler: Anankos]] also has several moments qualifying as this, and the biggest ones are: [[spoiler: corrupting the aforementioned Garon from a troubled King to a bloodthirsty tyrant that caused at least two wars for him]] and [[spoiler: reviving the murdered Sumeragi and set him up to kill the Avatar (which resulted in Sumeragi killing ''his own widow'' Mikoto when she realised this and went TakingTheBullet for the Avatar)]] (all paths); [[spoiler: [[MoreThanMindControl corrupting the very troubled Prince Takumi]] into becoming the FinalBoss of the game]] (''Conquest''), [[spoiler: forcibly reviving the aforementioned Mikoto and her sister Arete as his BrainwashedAndCrazy slaves alongside Sumeragi]] (''Revelation''); [[spoiler: manipulating [[WellDoneSonGuy his daughter Lilith]] for years and siccing her on the heroes]] (''Hidden Truths'' DLC) and [[spoiler: destroying ''several'' worlds, then setting up the few survivors from the game's Second Generation into a sort of DeadlyGame]] (''Heirs of Fate'' DLC)
24th May '17 10:27:54 AM erforce
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** Multiple Disney Villains have crossed the line, but the moment they crossed it is often the same as in their source films. This is ''not'' the case with [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine and her daughters]], [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Barbossa]], [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]], and [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]]; all of them have committed acts so heinous that they're viewed as larger monsters in this franchise than they are in their films. It is to be pointed out that the Tremaines and Barbossa are [[AdaptationalVillainy far worse in this adaptation]].

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** Multiple Disney Villains have crossed the line, but the moment they crossed it is often the same as in their source films. This is ''not'' the case with [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine and her daughters]], [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl Barbossa]], [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]], and [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]]; all of them have committed acts so heinous that they're viewed as larger monsters in this franchise than they are in their films. It is to be pointed out that the Tremaines and Barbossa are [[AdaptationalVillainy far worse in this adaptation]].
23rd May '17 8:32:00 PM MysteriousZorua1994
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** Multiple Disney Villains have crossed the line, but the moment they crossed it is often the same as in their source films. This is ''not'' the case with [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine and her daughters]], [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Barbossa]], [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]], and [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]]; all of them have committed acts so heinous that they're viewed as larger monsters in this franchise than they are in their films.

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** Multiple Disney Villains have crossed the line, but the moment they crossed it is often the same as in their source films. This is ''not'' the case with [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine and her daughters]], [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Barbossa]], [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]], and [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]]; all of them have committed acts so heinous that they're viewed as larger monsters in this franchise than they are in their films. It is to be pointed out that the Tremaines and Barbossa are [[AdaptationalVillainy far worse in this adaptation]].



*** Like Scar, Barbossa crosses the line when he also tries to kill Sora. This time, however, he just leaves Sora tied up and left to die on a ship rigged with gunpowder. It is to be noted that Barbossa has none of his positive traits in this adaptation.

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*** Like Scar, Barbossa crosses the line when he also tries to kill Sora. This time, however, he just leaves Sora tied up and left to die on a ship rigged with gunpowder. gunpowder.
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It is to can be noted said that WesternAnimation/{{Pete}} crosses the line at one of these two points, too, as he helped Barbossa has none of his positive traits and Scar capture Sora. If not, then [[spoiler:he did when he tortures Data-Riku in this adaptation.''codded'']].



*** However, all of this amounts nothing to the actions committed by Maleficent throughout the entire franchise. She's single-handedly responsible for hundreds, if not ''thousands'' of worlds being destroyed with billions killed. She's kidnapped girls who's hearts are pure light and forced them into deep sleep until all seven of them are brought together for universal domination ([[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt or worse, the end of reality itself]]). She has even tried to turn Santa Claus into a Heartless!

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*** However, all of this amounts nothing to the actions committed by Maleficent [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Maleficent]] throughout the entire franchise. She's single-handedly responsible for hundreds, if not ''thousands'' of worlds being destroyed with billions killed. She's kidnapped girls who's hearts are pure light and forced them into deep sleep until all seven of them are brought together for universal domination ([[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt or worse, the end of reality itself]]). She has even tried to turn Santa Claus into a Heartless!Heartless! And she's even tricked Terra into [[spoiler:stealing Princess Aurora's heart]], and is in direct league with Xehanort.
22nd May '17 11:17:49 PM MysteriousZorua1994
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** Multiple Disney Villains have crossed the line, but the moment they crossed it is often the same as in their source films. This is ''not'' the case with [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine]], [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]], and [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]]; all three of them have committed acts so heinous that they're viewed as larger monsters in this franchise than they are in their films.
*** Lady Tremaine crosses the line when she outright tries to murder Cinderella with [[TheHeartless an Unversed]] which was summoned [[ThePowerOfHate from her hatred towards her]].
*** Scar crosses the line when he gleefully tries to eat Sora shortly after the later arrives in his world. What makes this particularly vile is Sora is in the form of a Lion Cub, so Scar essentially wants to cannibalize a child. It's also worth mentioning that he's the only character in the series so far other the Xehanort that's been able to keep his original form as a heartless.

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** Saïx of Organization XIII crosses this when he coldly refuses to take Sora to Kairi, opting to use her kidnapping to make the Keybearer full of rage if it means [[spoiler:collecting more Hearts to finish Kingdom Hearts for, what Saïx wouldn't know at the time, Xehanort's ultimate goal of using it to make clones of himself]].
** Multiple Disney Villains have crossed the line, but the moment they crossed it is often the same as in their source films. This is ''not'' the case with [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine]], Tremaine and her daughters]], [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Barbossa]], [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]], and [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]]; all three of them have committed acts so heinous that they're viewed as larger monsters in this franchise than they are in their films.
*** Jafar crosses this line when he orders Genie to show him the Keyhole for Agrabah. Had Sora not shown up, the end result of this would amount to genocide, as the world would've been destroyed by the Heartless, and everyone in it being killed, which is what Jafar ''wanted''. He is far worse in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', where he becomes an OmnicidalManiac bent on destroying the entire universe.
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Lady Tremaine crosses and her daughters cross the line when she they outright tries try to murder Cinderella with [[TheHeartless an Unversed]] which was summoned [[ThePowerOfHate from her their hatred towards her]].
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*** Scar crosses the line when he gleefully tries to eat Sora shortly after the later arrives in his world. What makes this particularly vile is Sora is in the form of a Lion Cub, so Scar essentially wants to cannibalize a child. ''a child''. It's also worth mentioning that he's the only character in the series so far other the Xehanort that's been able to keep his original form as a heartless.Heartless.
*** Like Scar, Barbossa crosses the line when he also tries to kill Sora. This time, however, he just leaves Sora tied up and left to die on a ship rigged with gunpowder. It is to be noted that Barbossa has none of his positive traits in this adaptation.



*** However, all of this amounts nothing to the actions committed by Maleficent throughout the entire franchise. She's single-handedly responsible for hundreds, if not ''thousands'' of worlds being destroyed with billions killed. She's kidnapped girls who's hearts are pure light and forced them into deep sleep until all seven of them are brought together for universal domination ([[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt or worse, the end of reality itself]]). She has even tried to turn Santa Claus into a Heartless!



** In ''Up Your Arsenal'', a musical video of Courtney Gears singing about her, genocidal hatred of organic life forms is found in one of Dr. Nefarious' labs. She would only tell Ratchet and Clank what she knows of his plans if she guest stars in a ''Secret Agent Clank'' episode. After filming, she [[{{Sadist}} sadistically]] kidnaps Clank, sends Tyhrranods to kill Ratchet, captures Skidd and turns him into a robot. And when Ratchet finally tracks her down, she fights him with a sadist pleasure. And if that is not enough, [[spoiler:she even helps lure Ratchet as well as Captain Qwark into Nefarious' trap in the Zeldrin Starport that almost gets them both killed]]. Talk about sadism.

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** In ''Up Your Arsenal'', a musical video of Courtney Gears singing about her, her genocidal hatred of organic life forms is found in one of Dr. Nefarious' labs. She would only tell Ratchet and Clank what she knows of his plans if she guest stars in a ''Secret Agent Clank'' episode. After filming, she [[{{Sadist}} sadistically]] kidnaps Clank, sends Tyhrranods to kill Ratchet, captures Skidd and turns him into a robot. And when Ratchet finally tracks her down, she fights him with a sadist pleasure. And if that is not enough, [[spoiler:she even helps lure Ratchet as well as Captain Qwark into Nefarious' trap in the Zeldrin Starport that almost gets them both killed]]. Talk about sadism.


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** "Unnecessary Initiative Omega 91" is this for Cassiopeia, given she spends the entire time trying to kill Ratchet and orders the other Valkyries [[spoiler:to execute Clank]]. And like Courtney Gears before her, Cassiopeia is quite sadistic over this.
22nd May '17 7:55:08 AM UberFelix
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*** Francois-Thomas Germain is more violent and has more screen time than his fallen templars, even Robespierre. He crossed it when he murdered Elise's father and framed Arno. When Arno gets initiated to the Assassins, this angered him further, despite having Arno's sympathy. When Germain is assassinated, The council invited Arno back into the Sanctum, because Arno was right about the plan (Bellec is wrong about all Branches except hevwas only right about Medieval, Renaissance, and Colonial Branches.

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*** Francois-Thomas Germain is more violent and has more screen time than his fallen templars, even Robespierre. He crossed it when he murdered Elise's father and framed Arno. When Arno gets initiated to the Assassins, this angered him further, despite having Arno's sympathy. When Germain is assassinated, The council invited Arno back into the Sanctum, because Arno was right about the plan (Bellec is wrong about all Branches except hevwas he was only right about Medieval, Renaissance, and Colonial Branches.
22nd May '17 7:51:07 AM UberFelix
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** TheHeavy Cesare Borgia of ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood'' Killed his own father with a poisoned apple for daring to kill his own son. This wasn't the first time he crossed the line. He first when he concocted a plan to siege Montenegro in Italy and murdered Ezio's Uncle, TheWoobie. Being landed at "The hands of fate" is his just desserts for his crimes


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** ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity'':
***Pierre Bellec is the poor choice Master Assassin when he Framed Elise de la Serre by poisoning Mirabeau with aconite.
***Francois-Thomas Germain is more violent and has more screen time than his fallen templars, even Robespierre. He crossed it when he murdered Elise's father and framed Arno. When Arno gets initiated to the Assassins, this angered him further, despite having Arno's sympathy. When Germain is assassinated, The council invited Arno back into the Sanctum, because Arno was right about the plan (Bellec is wrong about all Branches except hevwas only right about Medieval, Renaissance, and Colonial Branches.
4th May '17 3:00:47 PM PrincessGwen
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*** [[BloodKnight Valter]] crosses the line in a big way when he brutally murders his honourable foil Glen for expressing doubts about their emperor's orders. And that's not getting into the implication that he wants to [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape]] Erika.

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*** [[BloodKnight Valter]] crosses the line in a big way when he brutally murders his honourable foil Glen for expressing doubts about their emperor's orders. And that's not getting into the implication that he wants to [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape]] Erika.Eirika.
4th May '17 8:27:34 AM Knighthood45
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** Emperor Gestahl, while not nearly as evil as his subordinate Kefka, still crosses the line when he is shown in a flashback to have orchestrated an invasion of the Esper world. While the invasion ends in failure, at the end he discovers an infant half-esper, and rips the baby from her mother's arms, killing the woman in the process, while gloating about how he's going to subject her to a life of experimentation. ''Oh BOY.''

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** Emperor Gestahl, while not nearly as evil crazy as his subordinate Kefka, still crosses the line when he is shown in a flashback to have orchestrated an invasion of the Esper world. While the invasion ends in failure, at the end he discovers an infant half-esper, and rips the baby from her mother's arms, killing the woman in the process, while gloating about how he's going to subject her to a life of experimentation. ''Oh BOY.''


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** ''Videogame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'':
*** [[BloodKnight Valter]] crosses the line in a big way when he brutally murders his honourable foil Glen for expressing doubts about their emperor's orders. And that's not getting into the implication that he wants to [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape]] Erika.
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