History MoralEventHorizon / VideoGames

23rd Jun '16 8:27:55 AM Wildstar93
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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'':
*** If Trevor didn't cross it by [[spoiler:viciously killing Johnny, and then wiping out ALL of the Lost's former Alderney chapter]], he has several other good contenders, most notably the deplorable ways he abuses Floyd.
*** Devin crosses it when he sends [[spoiler:Merryweather after Michael's family for accidentally causing his secretary's death.]]
*** Steve Haines crosses it with the infamous, long, drawn-out torture of [[spoiler:Mr. K]]. There are a number of factors which contribute to make this scene a particularly brutal crossing. [[spoiler:For one, it's obvious that Mr. K is innocent of completely any wrong-doing whatsoever, he just happened to briefly work for someone who the [=FIB=] was suspicious of. The other factor is that, even though Mr. K knows next to nothing useful, he's still one hundred percent willing to share everything he does know with Haines. It's just that Haines has Trevor torture Mr. K before interrogating him, avoids asking Mr. K direct questions, and when he does ask direct questions he rarely gives Mr. K enough time to respond before opting to have Trevor torture him more. Because of his sadism and impatience, Mr. K gets knee-capped, electrocuted, has a tooth ripped out with pliers, and is water boarded with gasoline]]. He then caps it all off by [[spoiler:ordering Trevor to kill Mr. K]] before skipping off merrily to go play racquetball. [[spoiler: Fortunately, Trevor goes behind his back by waiting for him to leave, releasing Mr. K, and driving him to the airport instead.]]
*** The Minute Men cross this when [[spoiler:they draw real guns on an innocent family of legal immigrants and get ready to execute them. Or at least, they would have if Trevor hadn't come along and [[VillainousRescue killed the two of them]].]]
3rd Jun '16 6:37:22 AM Rabbidking
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* ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'':
** [[spoiler: Nagito Komaeda]] crosses the MEH in Chapter 1, when he [[spoiler: engineers the first murder, intending for himself to be the victim and kickstart the students' battle against despair.]]
** The culprit of Chapter 3, [[spoiler: Mikan Tsumiki]], crossed it due to the Despair Disease, which made them [[spoiler: remember their identity as a member of Ultimate Despair before entering the Neo World Program.]]
*** In fact, [[spoiler: all of the Hope's Peak students on the island (sans Chiaki, who was not a Hope's Peak Academy student) are revealed to have crossed the MEH before the events of the games, when they joined Ultimate Despair to assist Junko Enoshima's plan to spread despair through the world. They were so far beyond the MEH that the Future Foundation placed them into the Neo World Program, which was designed to overwrite their memories of Ultimate Despair. The surviving students almost cross it and the DespairEventHorizon again thanks to [[BackFromTheDead AI Junko]].]]
1st Jun '16 11:03:49 PM Worldclock
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* The ending of ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' -- due in no small part to the game's GreyAndGrayMorality -- has been something of a BaseBreaker among those who have played it regarding which character involved crossed the MoralEventHorizon. The game hints that the fungus directly alters a host's brain, so when [[spoiler:[[PlayerCharacter Joel]]]] and [[spoiler:[[TheImmune Ellie]]]] finally reach the [[spoiler:[[LaResistance Fireflies']] [[VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon headquarters]], their leader, [[WellIntentionedExtremist Marlene]], reveals to Joel that the operation required to synthesize a hypothetical vaccine would inevitably kill Ellie. By this point, Joel has developed an essentially [[PapaWolf familial bond]] with her, and after she has ordered a troop to remove him from the premises, he kills said troop and proceeds to [[OneManArmy fight or sneak]] his way to the operation room]]. Upon arrival, he [[spoiler:[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential may]] or [[VideoGameCaringPotential may not kill]] any or all of the surgeons present before carrying Ellie out, and killing Marlene when she attempts to dissuade him in the parking garage; effectively destroying current Firefly leadership and, given the fact that they were already on the defensive, possibly hampering any attempts of synthesizing a vaccine]]. At first, it would appear that [[spoiler:Joel is clearly a case of VillainProtagonist]].

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* The ending of ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' -- due in no small part to the game's GreyAndGrayMorality -- has been something of a BaseBreaker among those who have played it regarding which character involved crossed the MoralEventHorizon. The game hints that the fungus directly alters a host's brain, so when [[spoiler:[[PlayerCharacter Joel]]]] and [[spoiler:[[TheImmune Ellie]]]] finally reach the [[spoiler:[[LaResistance Fireflies']] [[VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon headquarters]], their leader, [[WellIntentionedExtremist Marlene]], reveals to Joel that the operation required to synthesize a hypothetical vaccine would inevitably kill Ellie. By this point, Joel has developed an essentially [[PapaWolf familial bond]] with her, and after she has ordered a troop to remove him from the premises, he kills said troop and proceeds to [[OneManArmy fight or sneak]] his way to the operation room]]. Upon arrival, he [[spoiler:[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential may]] or [[VideoGameCaringPotential may not kill]] any or all of the surgeons present before carrying Ellie out, and killing Marlene when she attempts to dissuade him in the parking garage; effectively destroying current Firefly leadership and, given the fact that they were already on the defensive, possibly hampering any attempts of synthesizing a vaccine]]. At first, it would appear that [[spoiler:Joel is clearly a case of VillainProtagonist]].
1st Jun '16 11:02:12 PM Worldclock
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* The ending of ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' -- due in no small part to the game's GreyAndGrayMorality -- has been something of a BaseBreaker among those who have played it regarding which character involved crossed the MoralEventHorizon. The game hints that the fungus directly alters a host's brain, so when [[spoiler:[[PlayerCharacter Joel]]]] and [[spoiler:[[TheImmune Ellie]]]] finally reach the [[spoiler:[[LaResistance Fireflies']] [[VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon headquarters]], their leader, [[WellIntentionedExtremist Marlene]], reveals to Joel that the operation required to synthesize a hypothetical vaccine would inevitably kill Ellie. By this point, Joel has developed an essentially [[PapaWolf familial bond]] with her, and after she has ordered a troop to remove him from the premises, he kills said troop and proceeds to [[OneManArmy fight or sneak]] his way to the operation room]]. Upon arrival, he [[spoiler:[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential may]] or [[VideoGameCaringPotential may not kill]] any or all of the surgeons present before carrying Ellie out, and killing Marlene when she attempts to dissuade him in the parking garage; effectively destroying current Firefly leadership and, given the fact that they were already on the defensive, possibly hampering any attempts of synthesizing a vaccine]]. At first, it would appear that [[spoiler:Joel is clearly a case of VillainProtagonist]]. However: [[spoiler:a fairly easily overlooked recorder on the upper level of the complex mentions that Ellie was not the first immune, and that they had operated on many in the past which did not yield the desired vaccine; only considering Ellie in that her case ''appeared'' to be different, and that she would ''possibly'' yield better results. This, added to the fact that many wondered whether a vaccine was truly practical, especially given the cost of such a vaccine, led many to believe that Joel actually prevented yet another unnecessary death and that Marlene and her Fireflies were sacrificing too much]]. It remains a subject of heated debate, still.

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* The ending of ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' -- due in no small part to the game's GreyAndGrayMorality -- has been something of a BaseBreaker among those who have played it regarding which character involved crossed the MoralEventHorizon. The game hints that the fungus directly alters a host's brain, so when [[spoiler:[[PlayerCharacter Joel]]]] and [[spoiler:[[TheImmune Ellie]]]] finally reach the [[spoiler:[[LaResistance Fireflies']] [[VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon headquarters]], their leader, [[WellIntentionedExtremist Marlene]], reveals to Joel that the operation required to synthesize a hypothetical vaccine would inevitably kill Ellie. By this point, Joel has developed an essentially [[PapaWolf familial bond]] with her, and after she has ordered a troop to remove him from the premises, he kills said troop and proceeds to [[OneManArmy fight or sneak]] his way to the operation room]]. Upon arrival, he [[spoiler:[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential may]] or [[VideoGameCaringPotential may not kill]] any or all of the surgeons present before carrying Ellie out, and killing Marlene when she attempts to dissuade him in the parking garage; effectively destroying current Firefly leadership and, given the fact that they were already on the defensive, possibly hampering any attempts of synthesizing a vaccine]]. At first, it would appear that [[spoiler:Joel is clearly a case of VillainProtagonist]]. However: [[spoiler:a fairly easily overlooked recorder on the upper level of the complex mentions that Ellie was not the first immune, and that they had operated on many in the past which did not yield the desired vaccine; only considering Ellie in that her case ''appeared'' to be different, and that she would ''possibly'' yield better results. This, added to the fact that many wondered whether a vaccine was truly practical, especially given the cost of such a vaccine, led many to believe that Joel actually prevented yet another unnecessary death and that Marlene and her Fireflies were sacrificing too much]]. It remains a subject of heated debate, still.
31st May '16 8:57:39 AM DDRMASTERM
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* Megatron, in ''{{Transformers}}: WarForCybertron'', warns the Autobots to leave Cybertron or be destroyed. When the Autobots began leaving Cybertron in spaceships, [[spoiler:he has Trypticon blast them out of the atmosphere for no reason whatsoever.]]
** Before that, however, was the arguably worse act of nearly murdering his entire world by infecting its sentient core with Dark Energon.



* Megatron, in ''{{Transformers}}: WarForCybertron'', warns the Autobots to leave Cybertron or be destroyed. When the Autobots began leaving Cybertron in spaceships, [[spoiler:he has Trypticon blast them out of the atmosphere for no reason whatsoever.]]
** Before that, however, was the arguably worse act of nearly murdering his entire world by infecting its sentient core with Dark Energon.
28th May '16 12:26:19 PM matteste
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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal'' firmly puts a previous villain across this after numerous failed attempts to save this villain: [[spoiler:YHVH, whose excuse was revealed to be Going Mad from Isolation. He not only posed as the Great Will throughout the entire franchise, forcing it to intervene through humanity, but also had Satan start and perpetuate the Forever War through the Archangels/Merkabah and Lucifer, who turns out to be a fake]].

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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal'' ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' firmly puts a previous villain across this after numerous failed attempts to save this villain: [[spoiler:YHVH, whose excuse was revealed to be Going Mad from Isolation. He not only posed as the Great Will throughout the entire franchise, forcing it to intervene through humanity, but also had Satan start and perpetuate the Forever War through the Archangels/Merkabah and Lucifer, who turns out to be a fake]].
20th May '16 6:17:50 PM Emperor_Oshron
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** [[spoiler:Governor de Fayet]] in ''[[AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag Freedom Cry]]'' orders a slave ship sunk to prevent Adéwalé from rescuing the slaves on board.

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** [[spoiler:Governor de Fayet]] in ''[[AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag Freedom Cry]]'' orders a slave ship sunk to prevent Adéwalé from rescuing the slaves on board.board.
** In ''[[AssassinsCreedRogue Rogue]]'', Shay considers himself to have crossed this when he [[spoiler:inadvertently causes 1755 Lisbon earthquake]], which is part of why he defects to the Templars.
3rd May '16 4:37:05 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi has ''The Witches' Tanabata'' for [[spoiler:Bernkatsel]]. You initially assume that because of her own backstory, she'd be sympathetic to the protagonists. Then you learn in that story that [[spoiler:she ruined Ange's life, just so Ange could die later on in front of Battler. ''[[YouBastard Then she mocks you, the player, and says that's just what you wanted to see!]]'']] At that point, many players wanted to see her get sent back to the [[spoiler:GroundhogDayLoop]]... or worse.

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* VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry has ''The Witches' Tanabata'' for [[spoiler:Bernkatsel]]. You initially assume that because of her own backstory, she'd be sympathetic to the protagonists. Then you learn in that story that [[spoiler:she ruined Ange's life, just so Ange could die later on in front of Battler. ''[[YouBastard Then she mocks you, the player, and says that's just what you wanted to see!]]'']] At that point, many players wanted to see her get sent back to the [[spoiler:GroundhogDayLoop]]... or worse.
1st May '16 8:39:44 PM jameygamer
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*** Not to mention his experiments not only gave Vincent the ability to into a vicious beast, a hulking monster, a Jason Expy (with Hockey mask and chainsaw) and Chaos, or a more fitting word would be TheDevil. Said experiments also made him [[AndIMustScream immortal]].

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*** Not to mention his experiments not only gave Vincent the ability to into a vicious beast, a hulking monster, a [[Franchise/Fridaythe13th Jason Expy (with Hockey mask and chainsaw) chainsaw)]] and Chaos, or a more fitting word would be TheDevil. Said experiments also made him [[AndIMustScream immortal]].
26th Apr '16 10:24:20 AM Michael
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** Boone believes he crossed the Moral Event Horizon [[spoiler: at Bitter Springs]] - ironically, this belief may be the only thing that stopped him from actually doing so.
-->'''Boone:''' [[DiscussedTrope A murderer who does good deeds is still a murderer.]]
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