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26th Mar '17 2:56:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Takaya crosses it in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' by [[spoiler:killing one of the most [[EnsembleDarkhorse beloved]] characters in the game. Oh, and said beloved character is also a major StoicWoobie]].
26th Mar '17 2:52:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** You can cross the line in the same expansion (which [[{{Retcon}} Retcons]] the evil ending of the original campaign) by [[spoiler:eating as many souls as you can to turn yourself into a god-killing HumanoidAbomination, including the souls of your companions, and then going on such a massive killing spree the gods themselves decide to step in and stop you]].
* [[spoiler:Ninetails]] from ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' has all the marks of a very cool villain: sly, sneaky, EvilCounterpart to Ammy ([[spoiler:even has his own Brush Techniques... with nine tails!]]) and an awe-striking battle. All of this is negated by it [[spoiler:horribly murdering the innocent, beloved priestess Rao and stuffing her body down a well in order to deceive the populace, Ammy included.]] And then, once it had accomplished its goals, it [[spoiler:drove Queen Himiko to her own death]].

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** You can cross the line in the same expansion (which [[{{Retcon}} Retcons]] {{Retcon}}s the evil ending of the original campaign) by [[spoiler:eating as many souls as you can to turn yourself into a god-killing HumanoidAbomination, including the souls of your companions, and then going on such a massive killing spree the gods themselves decide to step in and stop you]].
* [[spoiler:Ninetails]] from ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' has all the marks of a very cool villain: sly, sneaky, EvilCounterpart to Ammy ([[spoiler:even has his own Brush Techniques... with nine tails!]]) and an awe-striking battle. All of this is negated crosses it by it [[spoiler:horribly murdering the innocent, beloved priestess Rao and stuffing her body down a well in order to deceive the populace, Ammy included.]] And then, once it had accomplished its goals, it [[spoiler:drove Queen Himiko to her own death]].



* [[{{Persona 3}} Strega]] does this throughout the game. Chidori is the only one who manages to pull a HeelFaceTurn [[spoiler:(and she [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dies as a result]])]]. Takaya is the worst of the three, [[spoiler:killing one of the most [[EnsembleDarkhorse beloved]] characters in the game. Oh, and did I mention that said beloved character is also a major StoicWoobie?]].
** In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', [[spoiler:Adachi]] takes things even further. [[spoiler:The death of Mayumi Yamano could be chalked up to accidental manslaughter, considering he didn't know people who fell into the TV world would die. The death of Saki Konishi, on the other hand, was no accident. To cover his tracks, he tricks Yamano's lover Namatame to carry out his dirty work, all the while trying to throw the Investigation Team off his trail. And for what reason? Because he's bored of working in a quiet rural town and is looking for kicks.]]

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* [[{{Persona 3}} Strega]] does this throughout the game. Chidori is the only one who manages to pull a HeelFaceTurn [[spoiler:(and she [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dies as a result]])]]. Takaya is the worst of the three, [[spoiler:killing one of the most [[EnsembleDarkhorse beloved]] characters in the game. Oh, and did I mention that said beloved character is also a major StoicWoobie?]].
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In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', [[spoiler:Adachi]] takes things even further.crosses it. [[spoiler:The death of Mayumi Yamano could be chalked up to accidental manslaughter, considering he didn't know people who fell into the TV world would die. The death of Saki Konishi, on the other hand, was no accident. To cover his tracks, he tricks Yamano's lover Namatame to carry out his dirty work, all the while trying to throw the Investigation Team off his trail. And for what reason? Because he's bored of working in a quiet rural town and is looking for kicks.]]



** The motivation of the starting [[VideoGame/Persona5 Phantom Thieves of Hearts]] is that they were victims of a teacher's MEH. In fact, most of the villains crossing the MEH is the reason why they're being targeted in the first place.
*** In the backstory, Kamoshida [[spoiler: broke Ryuji's legs because the track club was outperforming the volleyball team and got the club shut down by goading Ryuji into assaulting him, turning Ryuji into a social pariah among the school and his former friends]] and he goes after the protagonist by [[spoiler: spreading nasty rumors about him for standing up to him, turning him also into a massive pariah]]. But his worse act is what he did to Anne and we see it fold out entirely - attempt to sexually exploit her and, when that didn't work, targetted her friend ''specifically'' to hurt Anne. The girl he raped [[DrivenToSuicide threw herself from the school]] in front of all the other students and on camera.
* ''PlanescapeTorment''. The game's plot revolves around [[spoiler:the Nameless One trying to figure out exactly how you redeem yourself for committing one of these. Exactly what he did [[NoodleIncident is never revealed]], but it was sufficiently morally damning that a lifetime of nothing but saintly deeds could not make up for it, and in the end, he has no choice but to suffer penance for it in the Blood War. Except that in the end, he ''does'' have a choice -- he can end his existence entirely, or just continue eternal life in ignorance, instead of dying. The best ending of the game is the Nameless One choosing to pay his penance... because, in a way, ''choice'' can change the nature of a man.]]

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** * The motivation of the starting [[VideoGame/Persona5 Phantom Thieves of Hearts]] Hearts in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'' is that they were victims of a teacher's MEH. In fact, most of the villains crossing the MEH is the reason why they're being targeted in the first place.
*** ** In the backstory, Kamoshida [[spoiler: broke Ryuji's legs because the track club was outperforming the volleyball team and got the club shut down by goading Ryuji into assaulting him, turning Ryuji into a social pariah among the school and his former friends]] and he goes after the protagonist by [[spoiler: spreading nasty rumors about him for standing up to him, turning him also into a massive pariah]]. But his worse act is what he did to Anne and we see it fold out entirely - attempt to sexually exploit her and, when that didn't work, targetted her friend ''specifically'' to hurt Anne. The girl he raped [[DrivenToSuicide threw herself from the school]] in front of all the other students and on camera.
* ''PlanescapeTorment''.''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment''. The game's plot revolves around [[spoiler:the Nameless One trying to figure out exactly how you redeem yourself for committing one of these. Exactly what he did [[NoodleIncident is never revealed]], but it was sufficiently morally damning that a lifetime of nothing but saintly deeds could not make up for it, and in the end, he has no choice but to suffer penance for it in the Blood War. Except that in the end, he ''does'' have a choice -- he can end his existence entirely, or just continue eternal life in ignorance, instead of dying. The best ending of the game is the Nameless One choosing to pay his penance... because, in a way, ''choice'' can change the nature of a man.]]
26th Mar '17 2:43:26 PM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler:Ninetails]] from ''{{Okami}}'' has all the marks of a very cool villain: sly, sneaky, EvilCounterpart to Ammy ([[spoiler:even has his own Brush Techniques... with nine tails!]]) and an awe-striking battle. All of this is negated by it [[spoiler:horribly murdering the innocent, beloved priestess Rao and stuffing her body down a well in order to deceive the populace, Ammy included.]] And then, once it had accomplished its goals, it [[spoiler:drove Queen Himiko to her own death]].

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* [[spoiler:Ninetails]] from ''{{Okami}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' has all the marks of a very cool villain: sly, sneaky, EvilCounterpart to Ammy ([[spoiler:even has his own Brush Techniques... with nine tails!]]) and an awe-striking battle. All of this is negated by it [[spoiler:horribly murdering the innocent, beloved priestess Rao and stuffing her body down a well in order to deceive the populace, Ammy included.]] And then, once it had accomplished its goals, it [[spoiler:drove Queen Himiko to her own death]].
25th Mar '17 1:06:24 PM AtmosBlitzer
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** Outside of the literature within Morrowind, Lady Almalexia, one of the three mortal gods of the Morrowind Tribunal, goes insane with power and uses her reincarnated lover (whom she betrayed to his death the first time) to carry out her increasingly unsettling orders, and finally sends him off to murder one of the other members of the Tribunal based on sketchy evidence. When the player arrives, they find Sotha Sil already dead, and Almalexia arrives to try to murder you before going on to take care of Vivec so that she will be the sole ruler of the Temple.

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** Outside of the literature within Morrowind, Lady Almalexia, one of the three mortal gods of the Morrowind Tribunal, goes insane with power and uses her [[PlayerCharacter reincarnated lover lover]] (whom she betrayed to his death the first time) to carry out her increasingly unsettling orders, and finally sends him off to murder one of the other members of the Tribunal based on sketchy evidence. When the player arrives, they find Sotha Sil already dead, and Almalexia arrives to try to murder you before going on to take care of Vivec so that she will be the sole ruler of the Temple.
20th Mar '17 5:24:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* Megatron, in ''{{Transformers}}: WarForCybertron'', warns the Autobots to leave Cybertron or be destroyed. When the Autobots began leaving Cybertron in spaceships, [[spoiler:he has Trypticon blast them out of the atmosphere for no reason whatsoever.]]

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* Megatron, in ''{{Transformers}}: WarForCybertron'', ''VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron'', warns the Autobots to leave Cybertron or be destroyed. When the Autobots began leaving Cybertron in spaceships, [[spoiler:he has Trypticon blast them out of the atmosphere for no reason whatsoever.]]
5th Mar '17 7:41:33 PM PrincessGwen
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** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians in ''Conquest''Chapter 13.

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** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians civilians]] in ''Conquest''Chapter ''Conquest'' Chapter 13.
5th Mar '17 7:39:32 PM PrincessGwen
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** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians in Conquest Chapter 13.
** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler: giving orders to break through Xander and the Avatar's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler: trying to force the Avatar into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via an HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler: intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelations'')
** The BiggerBad [[spoiler: Anankos]] also has several moment qualifying as this, and the biggest ones are: [[spoiler: corrupting the aforementioned Garon from a troubled King to a bloodthirsty tyrant that caused at least two wars for him]] and [[spoiler: reviving the murdered Sumeragi and set him up to kill the Avatar (which resulted in Sumeragi killing ''his own widow'' Mikoto when she realised this and went TakingTheBullet for the Avatar)]] (all paths); [[spoiler: [[MoreThanMindControl corrupting the very troubled Prince Takumi]] into becoming the FinalBoss of the game]] (''Conquest''), [[spoiler: forcibly reviving the aforementioned Mikoto and her sister Arete as his BrainwashedAndCrazy slaves alongside Sumeragi]] (Revelations); [[spoiler: manipulating [[WellDoneSonGuy his daughter Lilith]] for years and siccing her on the heroes]] (''Hidden Truths'' DLC) and [[spoiler: destroying ''several'' worlds, then setting up the few survivors from the game's Second Generation into a sort of DeadlyGame]] (''Heirs of Fate'' DLC)

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** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians in Conquest Chapter ''Conquest''Chapter 13.
** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler: giving orders to break through Xander and the Avatar's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler: trying to force the Avatar into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via an a HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler: intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelations'')
''Revelation'')
** The BiggerBad [[spoiler: Anankos]] also has several moment moments qualifying as this, and the biggest ones are: [[spoiler: corrupting the aforementioned Garon from a troubled King to a bloodthirsty tyrant that caused at least two wars for him]] and [[spoiler: reviving the murdered Sumeragi and set him up to kill the Avatar (which resulted in Sumeragi killing ''his own widow'' Mikoto when she realised this and went TakingTheBullet for the Avatar)]] (all paths); [[spoiler: [[MoreThanMindControl corrupting the very troubled Prince Takumi]] into becoming the FinalBoss of the game]] (''Conquest''), [[spoiler: forcibly reviving the aforementioned Mikoto and her sister Arete as his BrainwashedAndCrazy slaves alongside Sumeragi]] (Revelations); (''Revelation''); [[spoiler: manipulating [[WellDoneSonGuy his daughter Lilith]] for years and siccing her on the heroes]] (''Hidden Truths'' DLC) and [[spoiler: destroying ''several'' worlds, then setting up the few survivors from the game's Second Generation into a sort of DeadlyGame]] (''Heirs of Fate'' DLC)
5th Mar '17 3:45:09 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* And then, there's ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates''...
** Hans and his troops [[spoiler: massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians in Conquest Chapter 13.
** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler: giving orders to break through Xander and the Avatar's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler: trying to force the Avatar into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via an HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler: intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelations'')
** The BiggerBad [[spoiler: Anankos]] also has several moment qualifying as this, and the biggest ones are: [[spoiler: corrupting the aforementioned Garon from a troubled King to a bloodthirsty tyrant that caused at least two wars for him]] and [[spoiler: reviving the murdered Sumeragi and set him up to kill the Avatar (which resulted in Sumeragi killing ''his own widow'' Mikoto when she realised this and went TakingTheBullet for the Avatar)]] (all paths); [[spoiler: [[MoreThanMindControl corrupting the very troubled Prince Takumi]] into becoming the FinalBoss of the game]] (''Conquest''), [[spoiler: forcibly reviving the aforementioned Mikoto and her sister Arete as his BrainwashedAndCrazy slaves alongside Sumeragi]] (Revelations); [[spoiler: manipulating [[WellDoneSonGuy his daughter Lilith]] for years and siccing her on the heroes]] (''Hidden Truths'' DLC) and [[spoiler: destroying ''several'' worlds, then setting up the few survivors from the game's Second Generation into a sort of DeadlyGame]] (''Heirs of Fate'' DLC)
2nd Mar '17 11:06:08 PM kome360
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** In the sequel, collectibles reveal that The Brotherhood, which was supposed to be a divine task force against The Darkness, was fucked up even before they were corrupted by The Darkness and turned into an apocalypse cult; they kidnapped potential hosts for The Darkness, raised the false positives (and the real one) as KnightTemplar Tykebombs in a BlackAndWhiteInsanity mentality (to be fair, they WERE fighting the devil), and when the Darkness Host came of age and could be properly identified out of all the student acolytes, knocked him out, strapped him to a chair, and ritually tortured him with specialized surgical tools that have a 'regular' permanently crippling function, followed by an 'overdrive' that broke a bone or five while the host was still reeling from the popped eyeballs or sliced tongue. The full set of torture tools consists of TWELVE of these things. And now that they're corrupted, they're so psychotic and violent even The Darkness can't control them. They enslave a brothel and shoot up Jackie's crib, killing some of his men for sport and turning his aunt into a pincushion.
2nd Mar '17 10:34:02 PM kome360
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* Tenebrae Valkorion treated his sons like dirt and mind-raped his daughter until one of his sons rebelled and murdered his twin just in time for their little sister to commit genocide. All so they would become psychotic, flawed heirs for someone to usurp in his name. When the player character learns of the second one they can comment that this is a new low for a planet eater.
* Arcann Valkorion '''glassed five planets'''. Because he "wanted someone, nobody in particular, to squeal about some secret, infantile organization that almost nobody in the galaxy knew about". [[spoiler:If you 'redeem' him, it turns out he really is just plain stupid.]]
* Vaylin Valkorion mentally re-enslaved an entire species months after they gained free-willed sentience. And then ordered one of them to murder another as a test run because she was impatient. And then she murdered the technician who helped her with the mind shackles for good measure.

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* ** Tenebrae Valkorion treated his sons like dirt and mind-raped his daughter until one of his sons rebelled and murdered his twin just in time for their little sister to commit genocide. All so they would become psychotic, flawed heirs for someone to usurp in his name. When the player character learns of the second one they can comment that this is a new low for a planet eater.
* ** Arcann Valkorion '''glassed five planets'''. Because he "wanted someone, nobody in particular, to squeal about some secret, infantile organization that almost nobody in the galaxy knew about". [[spoiler:If you 'redeem' him, it turns out he really is just plain stupid.]]
* ** Vaylin Valkorion mentally re-enslaved an entire species months after they gained free-willed sentience. And then ordered one of them to murder another as a test run because she was impatient. And then she murdered the technician who helped her with the mind shackles for good measure.
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