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* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been times where Mr. Burns crosses the line to straight up evil.

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* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been [[NotSoHarmlessVillain times where Mr. Burns Burns]] crosses the line to straight up evil.
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* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been times where [[Characters/TheSimpsonsCharlesMontgomeryBurns Mr. Burns]] crosses the line to straight up evil.

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* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been times where [[Characters/TheSimpsonsCharlesMontgomeryBurns Mr. Burns]] Burns crosses the line to straight up evil.
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** In [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E22 "Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'"]], having already stolen the contents of the tontine from Abe Simpson, Mr. Burns kicks Bart into the safe which falls into the ocean, just to spite Bart's grandfather Abe.

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** In [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E22 "Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'"]], having already stolen the contents of the tontine from Abe Simpson, Mr. Burns kicks Bart into the safe which falls into the ocean, just to spite Bart's his grandfather Abe.
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** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E18BrushWithGreatness Brush with Greatness]]" [[KickTheDog Mr. Burns mocks Homer's weight loss success]] by calling him [[YouAreFat "the fattest thing he'd ever seen"]]. That's the point where Marge decides there's no inner beauty in Burns and kicks him out.

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** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E18BrushWithGreatness Brush with Greatness]]" [[KickTheDog Mr. Burns mocks Homer's weight loss success]] by calling him [[YouAreFat "the fattest thing he'd he's ever seen"]]. That's the point where Marge decides there's no inner beauty in Burns and kicks him out.
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** Even before that, he crossed it in his second appearance. While his first crime can be justified by his shabby treatment by Krusty being a mockery of everything he believed children's entertainment should be, his second appearance has him use Selma as a ticket out of prison and then cutting off the loose end by murdering her on their honeymoon. Unlike Krusty, Selma hadn't done a single thing wrong to him and was just a lonely, if abrasive, woman. And this was before he tried to kill Bart, who he at least had a reason to hold a grudge against.
* [[HateSink The Kindergarten Teacher's]] treatment of Bart, as seen in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E3LisasSax Lisa's Sax]]". SHE IS THE REASON why Bart is the troublemaker he is today. Bart was actually looking forward to his first day of school, but this teacher started belittling him [[SadistTeacher for no reason other than sheer malice]]. What makes it worse is that Bart was just ''5 years old'' and her actions (among other things) made Bart actually consider [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]]. She also [[KarmaHoudini faces no consequences]] for her psychological and emotional abuse of a ''toddler'' whatsover. The teacher basically wrote off Bart as a lost cause because he didn't catch on to things as quickly as the other kids:

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** Even before that, he crossed it in his [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E21BlackWidower second appearance. appearance]]. While his [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E12KrustyGetsBusted first crime crime]] can be justified by his [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal shabby treatment by Krusty Krusty]] being a mockery of everything he believed children's entertainment should be, his second appearance has him use Selma as a ticket out of prison and then cutting off the loose end by murdering her on their honeymoon. Unlike Krusty, Selma hadn't done a single thing wrong to him and was just a lonely, if abrasive, woman. And this was before he tried to kill her nephew Bart, who he at least had a reason to hold a grudge against.
* [[HateSink The Kindergarten Teacher's]] treatment of Bart, as seen in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E3LisasSax Lisa's Sax]]". '''[[SmallRoleBigImpact SHE IS THE REASON REASON]]''' why Bart is the troublemaker he is today. Bart was actually looking forward to his first day of school, but this teacher started belittling him [[SadistTeacher for no reason other than sheer malice]]. What makes it worse is that Bart was just ''5 years old'' and her actions (among other things) made Bart actually consider [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]]. She also [[KarmaHoudini faces no consequences]] for her psychological and emotional abuse of a ''toddler'' whatsover. The teacher basically wrote off Bart as a lost cause because he didn't catch on to things as quickly as the other kids:



* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been times where Mr. Burns crosses the line to straight up evil.
** In "Brush with Greatness" Mr. Burns mocks Homer's weight loss success. That's the point where Marge decides there's no inner beauty in Burns and kicks him out.
** "Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 1" is a long string of evil deeds committed by Mr. Burns. While stealing Springfield Elementary's newfound wealth is pretty bad, and trying to block out the sun so the town will have to use his electricity nonstop is supervillain evil, the two cruelest things Mr. Burns does is hit Santa's Little Helper with a full blast of oil from an oil rig then mock him for it, and firing Smithers his most loyal toady. It's no wonder when he's shot that EveryoneIsASuspect.
** In "Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'", having already stolen the contents of the tontine from Abe Simpson Mr. Burns kicks Bart into the safe which falls into the ocean, just to spite Abe.

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* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been times where [[Characters/TheSimpsonsCharlesMontgomeryBurns Mr. Burns Burns]] crosses the line to straight up evil.
** In "Brush "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E18BrushWithGreatness Brush with Greatness" Greatness]]" [[KickTheDog Mr. Burns mocks Homer's weight loss success.success]] by calling him [[YouAreFat "the fattest thing he'd ever seen"]]. That's the point where Marge decides there's no inner beauty in Burns and kicks him out.
** "Who "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E25WhoShotMrBurnsPartOne Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 1" Burns? (Part 1)]]" is a long string of evil deeds committed by Mr. Burns. While stealing Springfield Elementary's newfound wealth is pretty bad, and trying to block out the sun so the town will have to use his electricity nonstop is supervillain evil, the two cruelest things Mr. Burns does is hit Santa's Little Helper with a full blast of oil from an oil rig then mock him for it, and [[BullyingADragon firing Smithers Smithers, his most loyal toady.toady]]. It's no wonder when he's shot that EveryoneIsASuspect.
** In [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E22 "Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'", Hellfish'"]], having already stolen the contents of the tontine from Abe Simpson Simpson, Mr. Burns kicks Bart into the safe which falls into the ocean, just to spite Bart's grandfather Abe.
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''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' was always a [[SadistShow sadistically]] [[ComedicSociopathy funny show]] with [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist the whole town full of sociopathic jerks.]] There are times however, where the {{Jerkass}} [[MoralEventHorizon characters go too far...]]

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''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' was always a [[SadistShow sadistically]] [[ComedicSociopathy funny show]] with [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist the whole town full of sociopathic jerks.]] There are times however, where the {{Jerkass}} characters and villains [[MoralEventHorizon characters go too far...]]
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* Even though he's normally LaughablyEvil, there have been times where Mr. Burns crosses the line to straight up evil.
** In "Brush with Greatness" Mr. Burns mocks Homer's weight loss success. That's the point where Marge decides there's no inner beauty in Burns and kicks him out.
** "Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 1" is a long string of evil deeds committed by Mr. Burns. While stealing Springfield Elementary's newfound wealth is pretty bad, and trying to block out the sun so the town will have to use his electricity nonstop is supervillain evil, the two cruelest things Mr. Burns does is hit Santa's Little Helper with a full blast of oil from an oil rig then mock him for it, and firing Smithers his most loyal toady. It's no wonder when he's shot that EveryoneIsASuspect.
** In "Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'", having already stolen the contents of the tontine from Abe Simpson Mr. Burns kicks Bart into the safe which falls into the ocean, just to spite Abe.
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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after initially sympathizing with Bart before realizing who he was talking to). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count. Given all of this, it becomes rather amusing [[KickTheSonOfABitch when Grandpa Simpson belittles LaBoot]].

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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after initially sympathizing with Bart before realizing who he was talking to). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count. Given all of this, it becomes rather amusing [[KickTheSonOfABitch [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech when Grandpa Simpson belittles LaBoot]].
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* Cecil Terwilliger absolutely crosses this in his first appearance, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E16BrotherFromAnotherSeries Brother from Another Series]]". He conned his way into building a dam, cut back on the building materials to embezzle the funds, and then tried to kill Bart, Lisa, and ''his own brother'' in an attempt to blow up the dam, and the dam floods the town anyway because of the lackluster construction. The only reason no one was killed was because the universe dips into cartoon physics at that point. Cecil doesn't even try to hide behind a FreudianExcuse. When Bob confronts him for Bob's role in stealing Cecil's dream of being Krusty's sidekick, Cecil makes an offhand remark how that might factor into it, but proudly declares he did it for the money.

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* Cecil Terwilliger absolutely crosses this in his first appearance, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E16BrotherFromAnotherSeries Brother from Another Series]]". He conned his way into building a dam, cut back on the building materials to embezzle the funds, and then tried to kill Bart, Lisa, and ''his own brother'' in an attempt to blow up the dam, and the dam floods the town anyway because of the lackluster construction. The only reason no one was killed was because the universe dips into cartoon physics at that point. Cecil doesn't even try While he privately admits [[DisproportionateRetribution he did all this to hide behind a FreudianExcuse. When Bob confronts him get back at Bob for Bob's role in stealing Cecil's dream of being becoming Krusty's sidekick, Cecil makes an offhand remark how that might factor into it, but proudly declares sidekick]], he's more than happy to claim he did it for the money.
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The series was always a [[SadistShow sadistically]] [[ComedicSociopathy funny show]] with [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist the whole town full of sociopathic jerks.]] There are times however, where the {{Jerkass}} [[MoralEventHorizon characters go too far...]]

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The series ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' was always a [[SadistShow sadistically]] [[ComedicSociopathy funny show]] with [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist the whole town full of sociopathic jerks.]] There are times however, where the {{Jerkass}} [[MoralEventHorizon characters go too far...]]
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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count. Given all of this, it becomes rather amusing [[KickTheSonOfABitch when Grandpa Simpson belittles LaBoot]].

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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards initially sympathizing with Bart so before realizing who he would tell his side of the story).was talking to). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count. Given all of this, it becomes rather amusing [[KickTheSonOfABitch when Grandpa Simpson belittles LaBoot]].
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%% Please do not add "Boys of Bummer" in there. As needlessly cruel it was for nearly every citizen of Springfield to drive Bart to suicide and goaded him into actually doing it, they were all easily forgiven from one little apology.

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%% Please do not add the Springfield residents from "Boys of Bummer" in there. As needlessly cruel it was for nearly every citizen of Springfield to drive Bart to suicide and goaded him into actually doing it, they were all easily forgiven from one little apology.
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* In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS24E15BlackEyedPlease Black Eyed Please]]" Ms. Hoover's substitude teacher, Ms. Cantwell, starts to [[SadistTeacher openly bullying Lisa]], and ''[[JerkassToOne only]]'' Lisa. When Lisa tries to get Skinner and Chalmers to do something about the situation, not only do they refuse to do anything about Cantwell's treatment of Lisa (who doesn't even bother hiding the fact that she hates Lisa) fearing that they would get in trouble with the teacher's union as a result of violating Cantwell's two week tenure, but Skinner then ''tells Cantwell that Lisa tried to tell on her'', causing Cantwell to become even more hostile towards Lisa, just so Lisa would learn ''not'' to rat on a bully.
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** Not just [=LaBoot=], the ''whole town'' fits this to a T. The citizens are shown to be nothing but [[SoreLoser Sore Losers]] that shame Bart, [[DisproportionateRetribution just for failing to catch a ball in a baseball game, causing his team to lose]] to Shelbyville. When we say that everyone in the town [[WouldHurtAChild starts a bullying campaign against Bart]], we do mean '''everyone''' (except his family, of course[[labelnote:*]]and even then, Patty, his aunt, can be seen shaming him alongside the rest of the citizens[[/labelnote]]). Eventually, Bart snaps from the bullying and tries to commit suicide by jumping off a water tower (by the way, Chief Wiggum is there [[PoliceAreUseless not to save him]], but to ''[[SuicideDare encourage him to jump]]''). Even after Bart survives the fall and is knocked into a coma, the whole town ''still continues to harass him''. It becomes ''very'' satisfactory when [[MamaBear Marge]] [[ShamingTheMob chews them out]] for their treatment of her son, with her pointing out a sign that labels Sprignfield as "[[WorldOfJerkass The Meanest City in America]]".

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* The [[KarmaHoudini Preschool Teacher's]] treatment of Bart, as seen in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E3LisasSax Lisa's Sax]]". SHE IS THE REASON why Bart is Bart today. What makes it worse is that Bart was just ''5 years old'' and her actions made Bart actually consider [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]]. The teacher basically wrote off Bart as a lost cause because he didn't catch on to things as quickly as the other kids:

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* [[HateSink The [[KarmaHoudini Preschool Kindergarten Teacher's]] treatment of Bart, as seen in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E3LisasSax Lisa's Sax]]". SHE IS THE REASON why Bart is Bart the troublemaker he is today. Bart was actually looking forward to his first day of school, but this teacher started belittling him [[SadistTeacher for no reason other than sheer malice]]. What makes it worse is that Bart was just ''5 years old'' and her actions (among other things) made Bart actually consider [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]].suicide]]. She also [[KarmaHoudini faces no consequences]] for her psychological and emotional abuse of a ''toddler'' whatsover. The teacher basically wrote off Bart as a lost cause because he didn't catch on to things as quickly as the other kids:



'''Teacher''': ''(writing on a clip board)'' Extra clap; not college material.
** Case in point "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E12IMarriedMarge I Married Marge]]" showed Bart setting fire to Homer's tie at only six minutes old, and "War of the Simpsons" had Bart try to ''run over his babysitter with the family car''. On top of that, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E17LisaTheSimpson Lisa the Simpson]]" reveals that Bart actually was a smart student until the Simpson gene made him dumb, and other episodes like "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E1BartGetsAnF Bart Gets an F]]" and "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS24E10ATestBeforeTrying A Test Before Trying]]" show that Bart can be smart when the plot calls for it). [[labelnote:Fortunately...]]The kindergarten teacher who appeared on "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E5SideshowBobRoberts Sideshow Bob Roberts]]" when Bart is forced to repeat kindergarten as per Sideshow Bob's mayoral order isn't the same one from "Lisa's Sax," meaning that the one from "Lisa's Sax" either quit her job, retired, was fired, or was let go due to the school's many budget cuts[[/labelnote]].

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'''Teacher''': ''(writing on a clip board)'' Extra Added extra clap; not college material.
** Case in point "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E12IMarriedMarge I Married Marge]]" showed Bart setting fire to Homer's tie at only six minutes old, and "War of the Simpsons" had Bart try to ''run over his babysitter with the family car''. On top of that, "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E17LisaTheSimpson Lisa the Simpson]]" reveals that Bart actually was a smart student until the Simpson gene made him dumb, and other episodes like "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E1BartGetsAnF Bart Gets an F]]" and "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS24E10ATestBeforeTrying A Test Before Trying]]" show that Bart can be smart when the plot calls for it). [[labelnote:Fortunately...]]The kindergarten teacher who appeared on "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E5SideshowBobRoberts Sideshow Bob Roberts]]" when Bart is forced to repeat kindergarten as per Sideshow Bob's mayoral order order, isn't the same one from "Lisa's Sax," meaning that the one from "Lisa's Sax" either quit her job, retired, was fired, or was let go due to the school's many budget cuts[[/labelnote]].



* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.

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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count. Given all of this, it becomes rather amusing [[KickTheSonOfABitch when Grandpa Simpson belittles LaBoot]].
-->'''Abe''': "You stink, [=LaBoot=]!"
** Not just [=LaBoot=], the ''whole town'' fits this to a T. The citizens are shown to be nothing but [[SoreLoser Sore Losers]] that shame Bart, [[DisproportionateRetribution just for failing to catch a ball in a baseball game, causing his team to lose]] to Shelbyville. When we say that everyone in the town [[WouldHurtAChild starts a bullying campaign against Bart]], we do mean '''everyone''' (except his family, of course[[labelnote:*]]and even then, Patty, his aunt, can be seen shaming him alongside the rest of the citizens[[/labelnote]]). Eventually, Bart snaps from the bullying and tries to commit suicide by jumping off a water tower (by the way, Chief Wiggum is there [[PoliceAreUseless not to save him]], but to ''[[SuicideDare encourage him to jump]]''). Even after Bart survives the fall and is knocked into a coma, the whole town ''still continues to harass him''. It becomes ''very'' satisfactory when [[MamaBear Marge]] [[ShamingTheMob chews them out]] for their treatment of her son, with her pointing out a sign that labels Sprignfield as "[[WorldOfJerkass The Meanest City in America]]".
* In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS24E15BlackEyedPlease Black Eyed Please]]" Ms. Hoover's substitude teacher, Ms. Cantwell, starts to [[SadistTeacher openly bullying Lisa]], and ''[[JerkassToOne only]]'' Lisa. When Lisa tries to get Skinner and Chalmers to do something about the situation, not only do they refuse to do anything about Cantwell's treatment of Lisa (who doesn't even bother hiding the fact that she hates Lisa) fearing that they would get in trouble with the teacher's union as a result of violating Cantwell's two week tenure, but Skinner then ''tells Cantwell that Lisa tried to tell on her'', causing Cantwell to become even more hostile towards Lisa, just so Lisa would learn ''not'' to rat on a bully.

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* [[TheSociopath LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.

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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.



%% * Lionel Hutz passes this in ''Marge In Chains" after we learn he kinda ran over Judge Snyder's dog. [[WouldHurtAChild Just replace "dog" with "son"]] [[UpToEleven and "kinda" with "repeatedly"]].
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* Lionel Hutz passes this in ''Marge In Chains" after we learn he kinda ran over Judge Snyder's dog. [[WouldHurtAChild Just replace "dog" with "son"]] [[UpToEleven and "kinda" with "repeatedly"]].

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%% * Lionel Hutz passes this in ''Marge In Chains" after we learn he kinda ran over Judge Snyder's dog. [[WouldHurtAChild Just replace "dog" with "son"]] [[UpToEleven and "kinda" with "repeatedly"]].
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%% Please do not add "Boys of Bummer" in there. As needlessly cruel it was for nearly every citizen of Springfield to drive Bart to suicide and goaded him into actually doing it. They were all easily forgiven from one little apology.

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%% Please do not add "Boys of Bummer" in there. As needlessly cruel it was for nearly every citizen of Springfield to drive Bart to suicide and goaded him into actually doing it. They it, they were all easily forgiven from one little apology.
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** A lot of Springfield arguably crosses it when they decide to kill not just Homer, but the whole [[DisproportionateRetribution Simpson family]]. Even trying to kill Homer can be considered this since some notable people in the mob include [[WithFriendsLikeThese Lenny, Carl, and Moe]], plus Abe, who [[OffingtheOffspring points a gun at his grandkids and daughter-in-law]]. There's also the fact that the students, including Milhouse and Nelson, fire arrows at the Simpsons, which includes Bart and Lisa. It's quite telling that, as dickish as he was, Homer had a point about not going back to Springfield after that...
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**A lot of Springfield arguably crosses it when they decide to kill not just Homer, but the whole [[DisproportionateRetribution Simpson family]]. Even trying to kill Homer can be considered this since some notable people in the mob include [[WithFriendsLikeThese Lenny, Carl, and Moe]], plus Abe, who [[OffingtheOffspring points a gun at his grandkids and daughter-in-law]]. There's also the fact that the students, including Milhouse and Nelson, fire arrows at the Simpsons, which includes Bart and Lisa. It's quite telling that, as dickish as he was, Homer had a point about not going back to Springfield after that...
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[[TheSociopath LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.

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* [[TheSociopath LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did did, but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.
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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon. And it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.

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* [[TheSociopath Joe LaBoot]] from "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS18E18TheBoysOfBummer The Boys of Bummer]]" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon. And DespairEventHorizon (after pretending to be sympathetic towards Bart so he would tell his side of the story). Worse still, not only is [=LaBoot=] a massive hypocrite who made the same mistake that Bart did but it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.count.
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* Lionel Hutz passes this in ''Marge In Chains" after we learn he kinda ran over Judge Snyder's dog. [[WouldHurtAChild Just replace "dog" with "son"]] [[UpToEleven and "kinda" with "repeatedly"]].
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* Joe Lab[=LaBoot=] from "The Boys of Bummer" crosses the line when he starts to encourage the rest of the people to harass Bart into the DespairEventHorizon. And it is implied that other children were also attacked before [[DeathOfAChild with similar results]], giving [=LaBoot=] a body count.
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* In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E18SeparateVocations Separate Vocations]]", Snake tries to run over Bart when he's with Eddie and Lou in a ride along.

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* In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E18SeparateVocations Separate Vocations]]", Snake tries to run over Bart when he's with Eddie and Lou in a ride along. In “Realty Bites,” meanwhile Snake attempts to brutally decapitate, and later simply snap the neck of Homer for the great crime of legally buying his repossessed convertible, Lil’ Bandit.
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* Sideshow Bob in all of his appearances [[WouldHurtAChild tried to kill Bart]], and doing committing other villainous acts such as in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E9SideshowBobsLastGleaming Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming]]", when he tries to atom-bomb the entire city just so he can get rid of television. But he finally crosses the line in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS19E8FuneralForAFiend Funeral for a Fiend]]" when he [[spoiler: decides to get people to hate Bart while he's on trial, fake his death, and, with the help of his whole family, burn Bart alive in a coffin being pushed into a furnace]]. Fortunately, he is caught and is sentenced to [[LaserGuidedKarma 87 years in prison]] [[spoiler:along with the rest of his family]]. Strangely, the earlier episode where he hypnotized Bart into being a suicide bomber had him sentenced to death at the end but the sentence wasn't carried out with no explanation why.
** Even before that, he crossed it in his second appearance. While his first crime can be justified by his shabby treatment by Krusty being a mockery of everything he believed children's entertainment should be, his second showing has him use Selma as a ticket out of prison and then cutting off the loose end by murdering her on their honeymoon. Unlike Krusty, Selma hadn't done a single thing wrong to him and was just a lonely, if abrasive, woman. And this was before he tried to kill Bart, who he at least had a reason to hold a grudge against.

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* Sideshow Bob in all of his appearances [[WouldHurtAChild tried to kill Bart]], and doing as well as committing other villainous acts such as in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E9SideshowBobsLastGleaming Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming]]", when he tries to atom-bomb the entire city just so he can get rid of television. But he finally crosses the line in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS19E8FuneralForAFiend Funeral for a Fiend]]" when he [[spoiler: decides to get people to hate Bart while he's on trial, fake his death, and, with the help of his whole family, burn Bart alive in a coffin being pushed into a furnace]]. Fortunately, he is caught and is sentenced to [[LaserGuidedKarma 87 years in prison]] [[spoiler:along with the rest of his family]]. Strangely, the earlier episode where he hypnotized Bart into being a suicide bomber had him sentenced to death at the end but the sentence wasn't carried out with no explanation why.
** Even before that, he crossed it in his second appearance. While his first crime can be justified by his shabby treatment by Krusty being a mockery of everything he believed children's entertainment should be, his second showing appearance has him use Selma as a ticket out of prison and then cutting off the loose end by murdering her on their honeymoon. Unlike Krusty, Selma hadn't done a single thing wrong to him and was just a lonely, if abrasive, woman. And this was before he tried to kill Bart, who he at least had a reason to hold a grudge against.



* In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E11TheCrepesOfWrath The Crepes of Wrath]]", Bart is treated like a slave by two mean winemakers in France. [[LaserGuidedKarma At first, this is amusing, as we see Bart get what's coming to him for his brattiness.]] However, it fades when you see Bart sleeping with nothing so much as a blanket after reading a letter from his mother as the abuse he is suffering begins to sink in. When the winemakers finally force Bart to drink wine doctored with antifreeze, putting him in real danger of being killed or blinded, the louts sail over the moral line and all your sympathy goes to the boy, which makes his eventual escape and revenge all so sweet.

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* In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS1E11TheCrepesOfWrath The Crepes of Wrath]]", Bart is treated like a slave by two mean winemakers in France. [[LaserGuidedKarma At first, this is amusing, as we see Bart get what's coming to him for his brattiness.]] However, it fades when you see Bart sleeping with nothing so much as but a blanket after reading a letter from his mother as the abuse he is suffering begins to sink in. When the winemakers finally force Bart to drink wine doctored with antifreeze, putting him in real danger of being killed or blinded, the louts sail over winemakers cross the moral line and all your sympathy goes to the boy, Bart, which makes his eventual escape and revenge all so sweet.
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** Skinner also crosses this by tricking Bart, Homer and Marge into agreeing to send Bart there, making them believe that it was actually a wonderful place. While Bart was obviously wrong for putting a cherry bomb in the toilet, Skinner's way of getting revenge (he could've just suspended Bart or something) was still pretty sleazy on his part.



* Agnes Skinner crosses it at the end of "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E2ThePrincipalAndThePauper The Principal and the Pauper]]" when she supports a movement to kick her own biological son out of Springfield in favour of an impostor.
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** Skinner also crosses this by tricking Bart, Homer and Marge into agreeing to send Bart there, making them believe that it was actually a wonderful place. While Bart was obviously wrong for putting a cherry bomb in the toilet, Skinner's way of getting revenge (he could've just suspended Bart or something) was still pretty sleazy on his part.
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** Case in point "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E12IMarriedMarge I Married Marge]]" showed Bart setting fire to Homer's tie at only six minutes old, and "War of the Simpsons" had Bart try to ''run over his babysitter with the family car''. On top of that, "Lisa the Simpson" reveals that Bart actually was a smart student until the Simpson gene made him dumb, and other episodes like "Bart Gets an F" and "A Test Before Trying" show that Bart can be smart when the plot calls for it). [[labelnote:Fortunately...]]The kindergarten teacher who appeared on "Sideshow Bob Roberts" when Bart is forced to repeat kindergarten as per Sideshow Bob's mayoral order isn't the same one from "Lisa's Sax," meaning that the one from "Lisa's Sax" either quit her job, retired, was fired, or was let go due to the school's many budget cuts[[/labelnote]].

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** Case in point "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E12IMarriedMarge I Married Marge]]" showed Bart setting fire to Homer's tie at only six minutes old, and "War of the Simpsons" had Bart try to ''run over his babysitter with the family car''. On top of that, "Lisa "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E17LisaTheSimpson Lisa the Simpson" Simpson]]" reveals that Bart actually was a smart student until the Simpson gene made him dumb, and other episodes like "Bart "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS2E1BartGetsAnF Bart Gets an F" F]]" and "A "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS24E10ATestBeforeTrying A Test Before Trying" Trying]]" show that Bart can be smart when the plot calls for it). [[labelnote:Fortunately...]]The kindergarten teacher who appeared on "Sideshow "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E5SideshowBobRoberts Sideshow Bob Roberts" Roberts]]" when Bart is forced to repeat kindergarten as per Sideshow Bob's mayoral order isn't the same one from "Lisa's Sax," meaning that the one from "Lisa's Sax" either quit her job, retired, was fired, or was let go due to the school's many budget cuts[[/labelnote]].



* In TheMovie, Russ Cargill crosses it when he tricks President Schwarzenegger into authorizing the fiery destruction and total obliteration of Springfield. Cargill knew damn well what the options were that he gave the President, and even manipulated him into choosing the NukeEm option.
* Agnes Skinner crosses it at the end of "The Principal and the Pauper" when she supports a movement to kick her own biological son out of Springfield in favour of an impostor.

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* In TheMovie, ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsonsMovie'', Russ Cargill crosses it when he tricks President Schwarzenegger into authorizing the fiery destruction and total obliteration of Springfield. Cargill knew damn well what the options were that he gave the President, and even manipulated him into choosing the NukeEm option.
* Agnes Skinner crosses it at the end of "The "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E2ThePrincipalAndThePauper The Principal and the Pauper" Pauper]]" when she supports a movement to kick her own biological son out of Springfield in favour of an impostor.
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