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** For a real-life example, the author of the manga, Takako Shimura. Many people would be surprised to learn that such a sensitive issue such as transsexuals would be approched by someone who is essentially a Crazy Cat Lady who lives in what she believes to be a ''haunted house.''
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It\'s particularly important to drop the \"Nitori\"/\"Nitorins\" when Maho\'s referenced, too.
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One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters are ''not'' simply crossdressing when they put on the clothes that make them feel comfortable (male for Takatsuki and female for Nitori).
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* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Nitorin.
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* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Nitorin.Shuuichi.
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* GrowingUpSucks: Especially Nitorin and Takatsuki feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
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* GrowingUpSucks: Especially Nitorin Shuuichi and Takatsuki feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
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* IntergenerationalFriendship: Shiina and Yuki, who are adults, with the teenaged Takatsuki and Nitorin.
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* IntergenerationalFriendship: Shiina and Yuki, who are adults, with the teenaged Takatsuki and Nitorin.Shuuichi.
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** Type 10 occurs temporarily between [[SiblingTriangle the Nitori siblings]] and Seya with him as B, Maho as A and Nitorin as C.
** Nitorin, Chiba and Takatsuki form longer-running one, whichs ''starts'' out as type 5 (Nitorin as B, Takatsuki as C and Saori as A), but growing tension between Takatsuki and Saori, and the apperance of Suehiro Anna complicate things.
** Nitorin, Chiba and Takatsuki form longer-running one, whichs ''starts'' out as type 5 (Nitorin as B, Takatsuki as C and Saori as A), but growing tension between Takatsuki and Saori, and the apperance of Suehiro Anna complicate things.
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** Type 10 occurs temporarily between [[SiblingTriangle the Nitori siblings]] and Seya with him as B, Maho as A and Nitorin Shuuichi as C.
**Nitorin, Shuuichi, Chiba and Takatsuki form longer-running one, whichs which ''starts'' out as type 5 (Nitorin (Shuuichi as B, Takatsuki as C and Saori as A), but growing tension between Takatsuki and Saori, Chiba, and the apperance appearance of Suehiro Anna complicate things.
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* SecretDiary: Eventually found and used to expose Nitorin and Takatsui's secret.
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* SecretDiary: Eventually found and used to expose Nitorin Shuu and Takatsui's secret.
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* {{Transgender}}: Nitorin, Takatsuki, and Yuki.
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* {{Transgender}}: Nitorin, Shuuichi, Takatsuki, and Yuki.
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Also leaving off \"Nitorin\" since tha\'ts a nickname and one only a couple of people use at that. In hindsight, I\'m thinking that, while it\'s not normally one, the meta nature of the Pronoun Trouble in this case should probably place it in the YMMV section.
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* GenderVocabularySlip: Nitorin & Takatsuki once noticed that Nitori refers to 'himself' with the pronoun "boku" which is used by boys and masculine girls, while Takatuski refers to 'herself' as "watashi" which is gender neutral and more formal, even while dressed as their correct genders. They decide not to change this though as they agree it suits them, because Nitori is a tough girl, and Takatsuki a delicate boy.
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* GenderVocabularySlip: Nitorin Nitori & Takatsuki once noticed that Nitori refers to 'himself' himself with the pronoun "boku" which is used by boys [[{{Bokukko}} and masculine girls, girls]], while Takatuski refers to 'herself' herself as "watashi" which is gender neutral and more formal, even while dressed as their correct genders. formal. They intentionally decide not to change this though as they agree it suits them, because Nitori is a tough girl, and Takatsuki a delicate boy.them.
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). The general consensus is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she"). Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender. What is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns, and is a cissexist sentiment.
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I\'m not about to start an Edit War over this, but at the same time in the interest of pragmatism I\'m leaving off the Shuichi/she Yoshino/he stuff. Still, the last paragraph is otherwise a good point to bear in mind.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that match their biological sex. Thus, Shuuichi Nitori should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters are NOT crossdressing when they put on the clothes that make them feel comfortable (male for Takatsuki and female for Nitorin). Specifically, one must remember when reading the series that Nitori Shuuichi is a girl, and Takatsuki Yoshino is a boy.
One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters are NOT crossdressing when they put on the clothes that make them feel comfortable (male for Takatsuki and female for Nitorin). Specifically, one must remember when reading the series that Nitori Shuuichi is a girl, and Takatsuki Yoshino is a boy.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that match their biological sex.are used within the series itself. Thus, Shuuichi Nitori should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters areNOT ''not'' simply crossdressing when they put on the clothes that make them feel comfortable (male for Takatsuki and female for Nitorin). Specifically, one must remember when reading the series that Nitori Shuuichi is a girl, and Takatsuki Yoshino is a boy.Nitori).
One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters are
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that match what they use within the series itself.their biological sex. Thus, Shuuichi Nitori should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters are NOT crossdressing when they put on the clothes that make them feel comfortable (male for Takatsuki and female for Nitorin). Specifically, one must remember when reading the series that Nitori Shuuichi is a girl, and Takatsuki Yoshino is a boy.
One very important thing to remember about this series is that it is about transsexuality, and that the main characters are NOT crossdressing when they put on the clothes that make them feel comfortable (male for Takatsuki and female for Nitorin). Specifically, one must remember when reading the series that Nitori Shuuichi is a girl, and Takatsuki Yoshino is a boy.
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* GenderVocabularySlip: Shuuichi & Yoshino notice once that they still refer to themselves out of habit with male & female pronouns, even while crossdressed. They decide not to change this though as they agree it suits them.
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* GenderVocabularySlip: Shuuichi Nitorin & Yoshino notice Takatsuki once noticed that they still refer Nitori refers to themselves out of habit 'himself' with male & female pronouns, the pronoun "boku" which is used by boys and masculine girls, while Takatuski refers to 'herself' as "watashi" which is gender neutral and more formal, even while crossdressed. dressed as their correct genders. They decide not to change this though as they agree it suits them.them, because Nitori is a tough girl, and Takatsuki a delicate boy.
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Shuuichi is "he" & Yoshino is "she") or by their desired/mental genders (Shuuichi is "she" & Yoshino is "he"). The general consensus is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she"). Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Shuuichi (Nitorin is "he" & Yoshino Takatsuki is "she") or by their desired/mental correct mental genders (Shuuichi (Nitorin is "she" & Yoshino Takatsuki is "he"). The general consensus is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she"). Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender. What is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns, and is a cissexist sentiment.
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* GenderVocabularySlip: Shuuichi & Yoshino notice once that they still refer to themselves out of habit with male & female pronouns, even while crossdressed. They decide not to change this though as they agree it suits them.
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Shuuichi is "he" & Yoshino is "she") or by their desired/mental genders (Shuuichi is "she" & Yoshino is "he"). The general consensus is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she"). Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
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Changing Chi\'s to Chizuru to make clear who it\'s referring to, especially in one case where Chiba\'s referred to right before.
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** Chiba, Chi, Seya, and Takatsuki also garner attention when they've crossdressed for whatever reason.
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** Chiba, Chi, Chizuru, Seya, and Takatsuki also garner attention when they've crossdressed for whatever reason.
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* DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Takatsuki successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].
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* DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Takatsuki successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi Chizuru and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].
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* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Beginning at high school, Chiba stops wearing pigtails to school. She's wore pigtails ever since she began middle school, though only when she was ''in'' school. She began wearing pigtails when she was at her most sarcastic and depressed, starting around the time her characterization changes for permanently. She's been working on making herself more appealing and less aggressive lately. A more subtle example is Chizuru and Sasa. Chi recently started wearing GirlishPigtails, showing off she's still an immature GenkiGirl. Sasa stopped wearing her pigtails for the first time in years, which makes her come off as trying to mature.
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* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Beginning at high school, Chiba stops wearing pigtails to school. She's wore pigtails ever since she began middle school, though only when she was ''in'' school. She began wearing pigtails when she was at her most sarcastic and depressed, starting around the time her characterization changes for permanently. She's been working on making herself more appealing and less aggressive lately. A more subtle example is Chizuru and Sasa. Chi Chizuru recently started wearing GirlishPigtails, showing off she's still an immature GenkiGirl. Sasa stopped wearing her pigtails for the first time in years, which makes her come off as trying to mature.
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* NoPeriodsPeriod: Averted in the case of Takatsuki and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
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* NoPeriodsPeriod: Averted in the case of Takatsuki and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi Chizuru even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
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* SailorFuku: Nitori was the only one in the manga to apparently own one for a long time, [[spoiler:though recently he's brought a new uniform that matches his high school one]]. Sasa's and Chi's new school requires SailorFuku, so they wear one.
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* SailorFuku: Nitori was the only one in the manga to apparently own one for a long time, [[spoiler:though recently he's brought a new uniform that matches his high school one]]. Sasa's and Chi's Chizuru's new school requires SailorFuku, so they wear one.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that match they use within the series itself. Thus, Shuuichi Nitori should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that match what they use within the series itself. Thus, Shuuichi Nitori should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Making it a bit more explicit
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Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Nitori dreams he could be a girl, while Takatsuki wants to become a boy. Eventually, both realize their true nature as much as they are able. Nitori wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
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Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. [[{{Transsexual}} Nitori dreams he could be a girl, while Takatsuki wants to become a boy.boy]]. Eventually, both realize their true nature as much as they are able. Nitori wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
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The Transsexuality aspect is noted in the description well enough, I think. Remember, the goal here is to eliminate confusion.
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It should be noted that Takatsuki is a boy, and Nitori is a girl; and that this series is explicitly about transsexuality, and not crossdressing as some people seem to confuse those two things.
It should be noted that Takatsuki is a boy, and Nitori is a girl; and that this series is explicitly about transsexuality, and not crossdressing as some people seem to confuse those two things.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that matches their biological sex. match they use within the series itself. Thus, Shuuichi Nitori should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
It should be noted that Takatsuki is a boy, and Nitori is a girl; and that this series is explicitly about transsexuality, and not crossdressing as some people seem to confuse those two things.female.
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* DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Takatsuki successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
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* DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Takatsuki successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
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* DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Yoshino successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
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* DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Yoshino Takatsuki successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
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* GrowingUpSucks: Especially Shuuichi and Yoshino feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
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* GrowingUpSucks: Especially Shuuichi Nitorin and Yoshino Takatsuki feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
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* IntergenerationalFriendship: Shiina and Yuki, who are adults, with the teenaged Yoshino and Shuichi.
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* IntergenerationalFriendship: Shiina and Yuki, who are adults, with the teenaged Yoshino Takatsuki and Shuichi.Nitorin.
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** Type 10 occurs temporarily between [[SiblingTriangle the Nitori siblings]] and Seya with him as B, Maho as A and Shuuichi as C.
** Shuuichi, Chiba and Takatsuki form longer-running one, whichs ''starts'' out as type 5 (Shuuichi as B, Yoshino as C and Saori as A), but growing tension between Yoshino and Saori, and the apperance of Suehiro Anna complicate things.
** Shuuichi, Chiba and Takatsuki form longer-running one, whichs ''starts'' out as type 5 (Shuuichi as B, Yoshino as C and Saori as A), but growing tension between Yoshino and Saori, and the apperance of Suehiro Anna complicate things.
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** Type 10 occurs temporarily between [[SiblingTriangle the Nitori siblings]] and Seya with him as B, Maho as A and Shuuichi Nitorin as C.
**Shuuichi, Nitorin, Chiba and Takatsuki form longer-running one, whichs ''starts'' out as type 5 (Shuuichi (Nitorin as B, Yoshino Takatsuki as C and Saori as A), but growing tension between Yoshino Takatsuki and Saori, and the apperance of Suehiro Anna complicate things.
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* NoPeriodsPeriod: Averted in the case of Yoshino and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
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* NoPeriodsPeriod: Averted in the case of Yoshino Takatsuki and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
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* SecretDiary: Eventually found and used to expose Shuuichi and Yoshino's secret.
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* SecretDiary: Eventually found and used to expose Shuuichi Nitorin and Yoshino's Takatsui's secret.
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* SkinshipGrope: Chizuru does this twice to Yoshino. Neither occasion ends well.
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* SkinshipGrope: Chizuru does this twice to Yoshino.Takatsuki. Neither occasion ends well. A random girl in the locker room of chapter 107 grabs Takatsuki's waist.
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** Yoshino technically, but with her being {{transgender}}, it's more like she's TallDarkAndHandsome.
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** Yoshino Takatsuki technically, but with her being {{transgender}}, it's more like she's TallDarkAndHandsome.
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* {{Transgender}}: Shuuichi, Yoshino, and Yuki.
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Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Nitori dreams he could be a girl, while Takatsuki wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires realize their true nature as much as they are able. Nitori wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that they use when referring to themselves in the Japanese version / what's used by English translators. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that they use when referring to themselves in the Japanese version / what's used by English translators.matches their biological sex. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
It should be noted that Takatsuki is a boy, and Nitori is a girl; and that this series is explicitly about transsexuality, and not crossdressing as some people seem to confuse those two things.
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* CrotchGrabSexCheck: Shi did this to Takatsuki in chapter 12. Though in the scenario he thought Yuki was cheating and Takatsuki looked like a boy, so he probably grabbed 'his' there to see if 'he' was...Perky.
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* CrotchGrabSexCheck: Shi Shiina did this to Takatsuki in chapter 12. Though in the scenario he thought Yuki was cheating and Takatsuki looked like was out as a boy, so he probably grabbed 'his' there his groin to see if 'he' was...Perky.he had a penis.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that they use when referring to themselves in the Japanese version / what's used by English translators. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.php?trope=Manga.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that they use when referring to themselves in the Japanese version / what's used by English translators. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that they use when referring to themselves. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that they use when referring to themselves.themselves in the Japanese version / what's used by English translators. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that the English translators assigned them. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that the English translators assigned them.they use when referring to themselves. Thus, Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female.
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There\'s really no reason to be using \"Nitorin\" here, even if it is a nickname. Though fo rcompromise sake I\'ll use the surname Nitori alone.
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Shy, quiet Shuuichi Nitori is not your average eleven year old boy. Nor is the tomboy, Yoshino Takatsuki, your average eleven year old girl. Nitorin-chan enjoys baking snacks as a hobby. Yoshino is known as Takatsuki-kun by all who know her. When Nitorin transfers to his new school, he is sat next to Takatsuki and they become fast friends.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Nitorin dreams he could be a girl, while Takatsuki wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Nitorin wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
The SliceOfLife tale of Takako Shimura's ''Wandering Son'' (''Hourou Musuko'' in Japanese) follows the lives of Shuuichi, Yoshino, and those closest to them as they wrestle with their impossible desires. The milestones that come with adolescence, the day-to-day occurrences, and everything in between make up the plot while the dreams and secrets of the young cast create its drama.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Nitorin dreams he could be a girl, while Takatsuki wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Nitorin wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
The SliceOfLife tale of Takako Shimura's ''Wandering Son'' (''Hourou Musuko'' in Japanese) follows the lives of Shuuichi, Yoshino, and those closest to them as they wrestle with their impossible desires. The milestones that come with adolescence, the day-to-day occurrences, and everything in between make up the plot while the dreams and secrets of the young cast create its drama.
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Shy, quiet Shuuichi Nitori is not your average eleven year old boy. Nor is the tomboy, Yoshino Takatsuki, your average eleven year old girl. Nitorin-chan Nitori enjoys baking snacks as a hobby. Yoshino is known as Takatsuki-kun by all who know her. When Nitorin Nitori transfers to his new school, he is sat next to Takatsuki and they become fast friends.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret.Nitorin Nitori dreams he could be a girl, while Takatsuki wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Nitorin Nitori wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
The SliceOfLife tale of Takako Shimura's ''Wandering Son'' (''Hourou Musuko'' in Japanese) follows the lives ofShuuichi, Yoshino, Nitori, Takatsuki, and those closest to them as they wrestle with their impossible desires. The milestones that come with adolescence, the day-to-day occurrences, and everything in between make up the plot while the dreams and secrets of the young cast create its drama.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret.
The SliceOfLife tale of Takako Shimura's ''Wandering Son'' (''Hourou Musuko'' in Japanese) follows the lives of
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that the English translators assigned them. Thus, Nitorin should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female, even though Takatsuki is actually a boy and Nitorin is a girl.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns that the English translators assigned them. Thus, Nitorin Nitori should be referred to as male, while Takatsuki and Yuki are referred to as female, even though Takatsuki is actually a boy and Nitorin is a girl.female.
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Shy, quiet Shuuichi Nitori is not your average eleven year old boy. Nor is the tomboy, Yoshino Takatsuki, your average eleven year old girl. Shuuichi enjoys baking snacks as a hobby. Yoshino is known as Takatsuki-kun by all who know her. When Shuuichi transfers to his new school, he is sat next to Yoshino and they become fast friends.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Shuuichi dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshino wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Shuuichi wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him by girls. Yoshino gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Shuuichi dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshino wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Shuuichi wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him by girls. Yoshino gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
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Shy, quiet Shuuichi Nitori is not your average eleven year old boy. Nor is the tomboy, Yoshino Takatsuki, your average eleven year old girl. Shuuichi Nitorin-chan enjoys baking snacks as a hobby. Yoshino is known as Takatsuki-kun by all who know her. When Shuuichi Nitorin transfers to his new school, he is sat next to Yoshino Takatsuki and they become fast friends.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret.Shuuichi Nitorin dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshino Takatsuki wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Shuuichi Nitorin wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him either by girls. Yoshino girls or Takatsuki. Takastuki gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret.
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Please note that general consensus in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.WanderingSon Discussion page]], [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1315110732087044900 Trope Repair Shop thread]], and even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Son the Other Wiki]] are that, to eliminate confusion, characters should be referred to by the pronouns they use for themselves. that the English translators assigned them. Thus, Shuichi Nitorin should be referred to as male, while Yoshino Takatsuki and Yuki are female.referred to as female, even though Takatsuki is actually a boy and Nitorin is a girl.
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Not a Hime Cut. Only two lengths and none of the associated traits. Cleaning per TRS.
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* HimeCut: Shu wants one of these, though he did temporarily try and sport a pixie cut. Chiba has one of these.
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* HimeCut: Shu wants one of these, though he did temporarily try and sport a pixie cut. Chiba has one of these.
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* CuteShotaroBoy: Shu, Mako, and Fumiya. Seya was originally this, but he's grown out of it.
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* SeriesContinuityError: In the first volume of the manga Takatsuki says "Her brain gets itchy? That's weird." in reference to Sasa's [[TheDitz nature]], and otherwise acts as if they aren't close. It's later established that they've been close friends since kindergarten, so Takatsuki should already know of Sasa's habits.
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* SeriesContinuityError: In the first volume of the manga Takatsuki says "Her brain gets itchy? That's weird." in reference to Sasa's [[TheDitz nature]], and otherwise acts as if they aren't close. It's later In the second volume it's established that they've been close friends since kindergarten, so Takatsuki should already know of Sasa's habits.
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* InMediasRes: The anime, which begins roughly in the middle of the manga.
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* InMediasRes: The anime, which anime begins roughly in the middle of the manga.
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Shy, quiet Shuuichi Nitori is not your average eleven year old boy. Nor is the tomboyish Yoshino Takatsuki your average eleven year old girl. Shuuichi enjoys baking snacks as a hobby. Yoshino is known as Takatsuki-kun by all who know her. When Shuuichi transfers to his new school, he is sat next to Yoshino and they become fast friends.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Shuuichi dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshino wishes she could have been born a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Shuuichi wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him by girls. Yoshino gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Shuuichi dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshino wishes she could have been born a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Shuuichi wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him by girls. Yoshino gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
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Shy, quiet Shuuichi Nitori is not your average eleven year old boy. Nor is the tomboyish tomboy, Yoshino Takatsuki Takatsuki, your average eleven year old girl. Shuuichi enjoys baking snacks as a hobby. Yoshino is known as Takatsuki-kun by all who know her. When Shuuichi transfers to his new school, he is sat next to Yoshino and they become fast friends.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Shuuichi dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshinowishes she could have been born wants to become a boy. Eventually, both give in to these desires as much as they are able. Shuuichi wears clothing belonging to his sister and given to him by girls. Yoshino gets hold of her older brother's middle school uniform and goes in to town as a boy.
Though they do not immediately know it, the two learn they have a shared secret. Shuuichi dreams he could be a girl, while Yoshino
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* HoYay: Doi's insistence that Nitori dress as a girl more implies that he is falling for him.
** [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hourou_musuko/v10/c079/ "I really just want to be friends with Nitori ...I think?"]] You think, huh, Doi?
** Seya with Nitori too, considering how he liked 'her'.
** [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hourou_musuko/v10/c079/ "I really just want to be friends with Nitori ...I think?"]] You think, huh, Doi?
** Seya with Nitori too, considering how he liked 'her'.
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* LesYay: Quite a few people such as (from Chiba's perpective) Takatsuki and Chiba, Chizuru and Momoko, and Nitori and Chiba.
** Maho's pseudo-obsession with Maiko leaks of this.
** Maho's pseudo-obsession with Maiko leaks of this.
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* DroppedABridgetOnHim: Perhaps the only series [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/HourouMusuko-1224.jpg where a Bridget is dropped on another Bridget.]]
** However, Yuki seems to have known from the beginning. It's hard to tell though, since she seems surprised when she learns it and continues to refer to the event as her not knowing it.
** However, Yuki seems to have known from the beginning. It's hard to tell though, since she seems surprised when she learns it and continues to refer to the event as her not knowing it.
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* GenderReveal: [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/HourouMusuko-1224.jpg As seen here]]. However, Yuki seems to have known from the beginning. It's hard to tell though, since she seems surprised when she learns it and continues to refer to the event as her not knowing it.
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* MythologyGag: One of the teachers is from a previous manga by Shimura, ''Inhabitants of the Threshold''. Also if you look closely at the last episode you'll see a green haired guy and a girl standing in one scene - they're the protagonists of said manga.
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* AttractiveBentGender - Shuuichi inadvertently stole the attention of the boy Maho liked.
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* AttractiveBentGender - AttractiveBentGender: Shuuichi inadvertently stole the attention of the boy Maho liked.
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* BettyAndVeronica - Short-lived and rather freaky example for Seya, with Maho as Veronica and her ''cross-dressed younger brother'' as Betty.
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* BettyAndVeronica - BettyAndVeronica: Short-lived and rather freaky example for Seya, with Maho as Veronica and her ''cross-dressed younger brother'' as Betty.
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* BodyHorror - Nitori and Takatsuki think of puberty and adolescence as this.
* BrattyTeenageDaughter - Maho, mostly when Shuuichi is around.
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* BodyHorror - BodyHorror: Nitori and Takatsuki think of puberty and adolescence as this.
*BrattyTeenageDaughter - BrattyTeenageDaughter: Maho, mostly when Shuuichi is around.
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* CaughtWithYourPantsDown - An implied near-miss with Maho.
* CharacterDevelopment / HiddenDepths - Many of the characters have quite nuanced characterizations. Even characters who seem like pretty crappy people on introduction get shown as being more complex than that, often volumes after said introduction.
* CharacterDevelopment / HiddenDepths - Many of the characters have quite nuanced characterizations. Even characters who seem like pretty crappy people on introduction get shown as being more complex than that, often volumes after said introduction.
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* CaughtWithYourPantsDown - CaughtWithYourPantsDown: An implied near-miss with Maho.
*CharacterDevelopment / HiddenDepths - CharacterDevelopment[=/=]HiddenDepths: Many of the characters have quite nuanced characterizations. Even characters who seem like pretty crappy people on introduction get shown as being more complex than that, often volumes after said introduction.
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* ClassTrip - Chapters 16 - 17, to Nikko; also Chapters 56 - 57, to a ski area.
* ClingyJealousGirl - Saori Chiba shows signs of this, but Momoko's behavior toward Chizuru takes the cake.
* {{Cloudcuckoolander}} - Chizuru, who has a rather ... peculiar sense of humor.
* CoolBigSis - Yuki.
* ClingyJealousGirl - Saori Chiba shows signs of this, but Momoko's behavior toward Chizuru takes the cake.
* {{Cloudcuckoolander}} - Chizuru, who has a rather ... peculiar sense of humor.
* CoolBigSis - Yuki.
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* ClassTrip - ClassTrip: Chapters 16 - 17, to Nikko; also Chapters 56 - 57, to a ski area.
*ClingyJealousGirl - ClingyJealousGirl: Saori Chiba shows signs of this, but Momoko's behavior toward Chizuru takes the cake.
*{{Cloudcuckoolander}} - {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: Chizuru, who has a rather ...rather... peculiar sense of humor.
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* {{Crossdresser}} - Makoto and Chizuru.
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* TheDitz - Kanako Sasa. Too much thinking makes her brain itchy.
* DoubleStandard - Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Yoshino successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
* DoubleStandard - Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Yoshino successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
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* TheDitz - TheDitz: Kanako Sasa. Too much thinking makes her brain itchy.
*DoubleStandard - DoubleStandard: Shuu gets hit with this hard [[spoiler:in chapter 65 when he gets the idea to go to school dressed as a girl after Chizuru and Yoshino successfully dressed as boys]][[hottip:*: To explain, Chi and [[spoiler:Takatsuki have gone to school in boys uniforms, with little consequence other then a small scolding; kids also complimented them on how "cool" and nice they looked. Nitori decides to go in a girls uniform one day, he gets sent straight to the Nurse's office for his mom to pick him up, switched into a boys uniform in the office, and becomes the laughing stock of the school]].]]
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* DroppedABridgetOnHim - Perhaps the only series [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/HourouMusuko-1224.jpg where a Bridget is dropped on another Bridget.]]
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* DroppedABridgetOnHim - DroppedABridgetOnHim: Perhaps the only series [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/HourouMusuko-1224.jpg where a Bridget is dropped on another Bridget.]]
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* DudeMagnet - Chiba. Any straight, boy-at-heart character can't seem to be indifferent toward her.
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* DudeMagnet - DudeMagnet: Chiba. Any straight, boy-at-heart character can't seem to be indifferent toward her.
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* ElevenEpisodeAnime - Started airing in Japan on January 14, 2011. Twelve episodes, with one being Blu-Ray only[[hottip:*:The last two episodes were made into one episode when aired on television, but the Blu-Ray cuts them in half again]].
* EvenTheGirlsWantHer - Maiko-chan.
* EvenTheGirlsWantHer - Maiko-chan.
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* ElevenEpisodeAnime - ElevenEpisodeAnime: Started airing in Japan on January 14, 2011. Twelve episodes, with one being Blu-Ray only[[hottip:*:The last two episodes were made into one episode when aired on television, but the Blu-Ray cuts them in half again]].
*EvenTheGirlsWantHer - EvenTheGirlsWantHer: Maiko-chan.
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* FashionHurts - In the anime pilot, Shuuichi complains about the collar of his uniform being too tight.
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* FashionHurts - FashionHurts: In the anime pilot, Shuuichi complains about the collar of his uniform being too tight.
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* FragileFlower - Shuuichi.
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* FreudianTrio - [[TheMcCoy Nitori]], [[TheSpock Chiba]], and [[TheKirk Takatsuki]]; though depending on who you ask, the order changes.
* FuroScene - Chapters 16 and 56.
* GenericCuteness - Averted. Shu is feminine, but poor Makoto just ''won't'' pass as a pretty girl even if he dresses.
* GenderFlip - When the kids put on ''The Rose of Versailles'' and ''Romeo & Juliet.''
* GenkiGirl - Chizuru and Sasa.
* GrowingUpSucks - Especially Shuuichi and Yoshino feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
* FuroScene - Chapters 16 and 56.
* GenericCuteness - Averted. Shu is feminine, but poor Makoto just ''won't'' pass as a pretty girl even if he dresses.
* GenderFlip - When the kids put on ''The Rose of Versailles'' and ''Romeo & Juliet.''
* GenkiGirl - Chizuru and Sasa.
* GrowingUpSucks - Especially Shuuichi and Yoshino feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
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* FreudianTrio - FreudianTrio: [[TheMcCoy Nitori]], [[TheSpock Chiba]], and [[TheKirk Takatsuki]]; though depending on who you ask, the order changes.
*FuroScene - FuroScene: Chapters 16 and 56.
*GenericCuteness - GenericCuteness: Averted. Shu is feminine, but poor Makoto just ''won't'' pass as a pretty girl even if he dresses.
*GenderFlip - GenderFlip: When the kids put on ''The Rose of Versailles'' and ''Romeo & Juliet.''
*GenkiGirl - GenkiGirl: Chizuru and Sasa.
*GrowingUpSucks - GrowingUpSucks: Especially Shuuichi and Yoshino feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as a different gender.
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* HopelessSuitor - Saori to Shuuichi, Fumiya to Saori [[spoiler:(well, not so much in recent chapters)]], Mako to, well, pretty much anyone whom he likes.
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* HopelessSuitor - HopelessSuitor: Saori to Shuuichi, Fumiya to Saori [[spoiler:(well, not so much in recent chapters)]], Mako to, well, pretty much anyone whom he likes.
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* HoYay - Doi's insistence that Nitori dress as a girl more implies that he is falling for him.
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* HoYay - HoYay: Doi's insistence that Nitori dress as a girl more implies that he is falling for him.
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* IdolSinger - Maho & Anna. Well, they actually are models and are never shown singing. Peculiar is that Shuuichi actually passed the screening together with his sister.
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* IdolSinger - IdolSinger: Maho & Anna. Well, they actually are models and are never shown singing. Peculiar is that Shuuichi actually passed the screening together with his sister.
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* IfItsYouItsOk - Saori, she just cares for Nitori irrespective of gender.
* IHaveNoSon - Yuki's parents come pretty close to this. (Well, also, they have no ''son'' now, but... you get the idea.)(Yuki has an older brother, so unless he died they do have a son.)
* IHaveNoSon - Yuki's parents come pretty close to this. (Well, also, they have no ''son'' now, but... you get the idea.)(Yuki has an older brother, so unless he died they do have a son.)
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* IfItsYouItsOk - IfItsYouItsOk: Saori, she just cares for Nitori irrespective of gender.
*IHaveNoSon - IHaveNoSon: Yuki's parents come pretty close to this. (Well, also, they have no ''son'' now, but... you get the idea.)(Yuki has an older brother, so unless he died they do have a son.)
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* ImportantHaircut - [[spoiler:Nitori cuts his hair short]] in Chapter 85.
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* ImportantHaircut - ImportantHaircut: [[spoiler:Nitori cuts his hair short]] in Chapter 85.
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* InMediasRes - The anime, which begins roughly in the middle of the manga.
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* JapaneseChristian - Saori Chiba, who converts out of guilt for her light treatment of Shuuichi's crossdressing. Her attendance winds up being pretty poor, though.
* {{Jerkass}} - Chiba.
* {{Jerkass}} - Chiba.
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* JapaneseChristian - JapaneseChristian: Saori Chiba, who converts out of guilt for her light treatment of Shuuichi's crossdressing. Her attendance winds up being pretty poor, though.
*{{Jerkass}} - {{Jerkass}}: Chiba.
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* KudzuPlot - Shimura increasingly juggles various parallel plot points, giving each only a few panels of attention before moving to the next, leading you to reread chapters just to keep a handle on what is going on.
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* KudzuPlot - KudzuPlot: Shimura increasingly juggles various parallel plot points, giving each only a few panels of attention before moving to the next, leading you to reread chapters just to keep a handle on what is going on.
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* LittleMissSnarker / TheSnarkKnight: Chiba has elements of both, at least in the anime.
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - It's gradually getting there, with all the members of the various families, classmates and romantic interests piling up in every chapter.
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - It's gradually getting there, with all the members of the various families, classmates and romantic interests piling up in every chapter.
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* LittleMissSnarker / TheSnarkKnight: LittleMissSnarker[=/=]TheSnarkKnight: Chiba has elements of both, at least in the anime.
*LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: It's gradually getting there, with all the members of the various families, classmates and romantic interests piling up in every chapter.
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* NamesTheSame - Shuuichi, Makoto, and Yoshino are also names of characters in ''Minami-Ke'', and both Makotos are even crossdressers who go by the name Mako-chan. However, unless it's ''Minami-ke'' doing the shouting, this could not be a {{ShoutOut}} since ''Minami-Ke'' started two years later than ''Wandering Son''.
* NerdGlasses - Makoto. Though recently you can see through his glasses at all times.
* NerdGlasses - Makoto. Though recently you can see through his glasses at all times.
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* NamesTheSame - NamesTheSame: Shuuichi, Makoto, and Yoshino are also names of characters in ''Minami-Ke'', and both Makotos are even crossdressers who go by the name Mako-chan. However, unless it's ''Minami-ke'' doing the shouting, this could not be a {{ShoutOut}} since ''Minami-Ke'' started two years later than ''Wandering Son''.
*NerdGlasses - NerdGlasses: Makoto. Though recently you can see through his glasses at all times.
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* NoIndoorVoice - Sarashina has a tendency to be a loud LargeHam.
* NoPeriodsPeriod - Averted in the case of Yoshino and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
* OnlySixFaces - By Shimura's own admission.
* OnTheNext - The anime incorporated the previews into the outro animation.
* NoPeriodsPeriod - Averted in the case of Yoshino and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
* OnlySixFaces - By Shimura's own admission.
* OnTheNext - The anime incorporated the previews into the outro animation.
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* NoIndoorVoice - NoIndoorVoice: Sarashina has a tendency to be a loud LargeHam.
*NoPeriodsPeriod - NoPeriodsPeriod: Averted in the case of Yoshino and, later, Maho. Momoko, Sasa, and Chiba have also stated they've had their periods; Momoko and Chi even were surprised when Sasa said she was on hers.
*OnlySixFaces - OnlySixFaces: By Shimura's own admission.
*OnTheNext - OnTheNext: The anime incorporated the previews into the outro animation.
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* SchoolFestival - Volume 6.
* SecretDiary - Eventually found and used to expose Shuuichi and Yoshino's secret.
* SecretDiary - Eventually found and used to expose Shuuichi and Yoshino's secret.
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* SchoolFestival - SchoolFestival: Volume 6.
*SecretDiary - SecretDiary: Eventually found and used to expose Shuuichi and Yoshino's secret.
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* SempaiKohai - Chiba not greeting once her upperclasmen in the middle school was a SeriousBusiness. Also, when Doi enters the high school, the sempais seem to feel an instant urge to temper him a little. Considering [[{{Jerkass}} how he used to be]] [[TheBully in his earlier years]] this turn-out might seem deserved though.
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* SempaiKohai - SempaiKohai: Chiba not greeting once her upperclasmen in the middle school was a SeriousBusiness. Also, when Doi enters the high school, the sempais seem to feel an instant urge to temper him a little. Considering [[{{Jerkass}} how he used to be]] [[TheBully in his earlier years]] this turn-out might seem deserved though.
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* SiblingYinYang - Shuuichi and Maho.
* SkinshipGrope - Chizuru does this twice to Yoshino. Neither occasion ends well.
* SkinshipGrope - Chizuru does this twice to Yoshino. Neither occasion ends well.
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* SiblingYinYang - SiblingYinYang: Shuuichi and Maho.
*SkinshipGrope - SkinshipGrope: Chizuru does this twice to Yoshino. Neither occasion ends well.
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* SurprisinglyGoodEnglish - The passage being read aloud in English class in episode 9 is part of the story Try to Be the Only One, which really is in the New Horizon textbook used by Japanese middle school students. It's even from the correct (year 2) book!
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* SurprisinglyGoodEnglish - SurprisinglyGoodEnglish: The passage being read aloud in English class in episode 9 is part of the story Try to Be the Only One, which really is in the New Horizon textbook used by Japanese middle school students. It's even from the correct (year 2) book!
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** Yoshino technically, but with her being {{transgender}} is more like she's TallDarkAndHandsome.
** Sarashina, who matches with the looks and self-confidence, but it's the same time tomboyish and childish.
** Anna, who has the looks ''and'' the impression... and is not too happy about it, since she's somewhat of a ShrinkingViolet in fact.
** Sarashina, who matches with the looks and self-confidence, but it's the same time tomboyish and childish.
** Anna, who has the looks ''and'' the impression... and is not too happy about it, since she's somewhat of a ShrinkingViolet in fact.
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** Yoshino technically, but with her being {{transgender}} is {{transgender}}, it's more like she's TallDarkAndHandsome.
** Sarashina, who matches with the looks and self-confidence, butit's is at the same time tomboyish and childish.
** Anna, who has the looks ''and'' the impression... and is not too happy about it, since she's actually somewhat of aShrinkingViolet in fact.ShrinkingViolet.
** Sarashina, who matches with the looks and self-confidence, but
** Anna, who has the looks ''and'' the impression... and is not too happy about it, since she's actually somewhat of a
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* ThirdPersonPerson - Chizuru, more so in the anime.
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* ThirdPersonPerson - ThirdPersonPerson: Chizuru, more so in the anime.
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* {{Transgender}} - Shuuichi, Yoshino, and Yuki.
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* {{Transgender}} - {{Transgender}}: Shuuichi, Yoshino, and Yuki.
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* {{Tsundere}} - Maho, big time.
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* {{Tsundere}} - {{Tsundere}}: Maho, big time.
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* UnwantedHarem - Almost criminal to list this one here due to the intense realism used when portraying it. A subversion of the common associated tropes, but falls cleanly into a {{Harem}}; it's arguably a deconstruction of harems.
* VillainousCrossdresser - Fumiya Ninomiya crossdresses just to impress Chiba. While not an outright "villain", he ''is'' portrayed as a bit of a slimeball when compared to the actual trans characters in the cast.
* WebcomicTime: Six years in-series was nine years in real life. The series was written throughout TheNoughties so you can tell when a chapter is written by the technology. Originally not that many kids had cellphones, but later on almost everyone has them. We see PlaystationTwo's and the occasional NintendoDS or PlaystationPortable too.
* VillainousCrossdresser - Fumiya Ninomiya crossdresses just to impress Chiba. While not an outright "villain", he ''is'' portrayed as a bit of a slimeball when compared to the actual trans characters in the cast.
* WebcomicTime: Six years in-series was nine years in real life. The series was written throughout TheNoughties so you can tell when a chapter is written by the technology. Originally not that many kids had cellphones, but later on almost everyone has them. We see PlaystationTwo's and the occasional NintendoDS or PlaystationPortable too.
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* UnwantedHarem - UnwantedHarem: Almost criminal to list this one here due to the intense realism used when portraying it. A subversion of the common associated tropes, but falls cleanly into a {{Harem}}; it's arguably a deconstruction of harems.
*VillainousCrossdresser - VillainousCrossdresser: Fumiya Ninomiya crossdresses just to impress Chiba. While not an outright "villain", he ''is'' portrayed as a bit of a slimeball when compared to the actual trans characters in the cast.
* WebcomicTime: Six years in-series was nine years in real life. The series was written throughout TheNoughties so you can tell when a chapter is written by the technology. Originally not that many kids had cellphones, but later on almost everyone has them. We seePlaystationTwo's {{Playstation 2}}s and the occasional NintendoDS or PlaystationPortable too.
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* WebcomicTime: Six years in-series was nine years in real life. The series was written throughout TheNoughties so you can tell when a chapter is written by the technology. Originally not that many kids had cellphones, but later on almost everyone has them. We see
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* LongRunnerTechMarchesOn: The series is hit with this but it's barely noticeable and somewhat realistic. You can put off the reason why no one had cellphones for a while with them just being too young.
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* AdaptationDyeJob: Eye variation. In the manga, everyone has brown eyes being that they're all Japanese. In the anime, characters have [[EyesOfGold golden eyes]], [[BlackEyes black eyes]], [[BlueEyes blue eyes]], or even red eyes and purple in Yuki's and Anna's cases.
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* AdaptationDyeJob: Eye variation. In the manga, everyone has brown eyes being that they're all Japanese.eyes. In the anime, characters have [[EyesOfGold golden eyes]], [[BlackEyes black eyes]], [[BlueEyes blue eyes]], or even red eyes and purple in Yuki's and Anna's cases.
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Several of the characters. Momoko hasn't really shown any interest in boys so far, instead just being extremely clingy toward Chizuru and saying that she "loves" her. Arguably Maho has shown Bisexual tendencies with her fangirlism of Maiko. Takatsuki apparently liked one of her teachers, though aside from that has shown no crushes other then maybe one on Yuki in earlier volumes. Nitori has shown interest in Takatsuki (who he says he thinks of as a boy), and possibly Seya, but has otherwise only shown interest in girls.
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* AmbiguouslyGay: Several of the characters. Momoko hasn't really shown any interest in boys so far, instead just being extremely clingy toward Chizuru and saying that she "loves" her. Arguably Maho has shown Bisexual bisexual tendencies with her fangirlism of Maiko. Takatsuki apparently liked one of her teachers, though aside from that has shown no crushes other then maybe one on Yuki in earlier volumes. Nitori has shown interest in Takatsuki (who he says he thinks of as a boy), and possibly Seya, but has otherwise only shown interest in girls.
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** Chiba, Chi, Seya, and Takatsuki also garnered attention when they've crossdressed for whatever reason.
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** Chiba, Chi, Seya, and Takatsuki also garnered garner attention when they've crossdressed for whatever reason.
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* CaughtWithYourPantsDown - An implied near-miss with Maho
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* CaughtWithYourPantsDown - An implied near-miss with MahoMaho.
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* ClassTrip - Chapters 16 - 17, to Nikko; also Chapters 56 - 57, to a ski area
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* ClassTrip - Chapters 16 - 17, to Nikko; also Chapters 56 - 57, to a ski areaarea.
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* CoolBigSis - Yuki
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* CoolBigSis - YukiYuki.
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* {{Crossdresser}} - Makoto and Chizuru
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* {{Crossdresser}} - Makoto and ChizuruChizuru.
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* DudeLooksLikeALady - Shuuichi.
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* EvenTheGuysWantHim - Nitori.
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* FirstEpisodeSpoiler: That Nitori is transgendered. It's more apparent in the manga.
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* FirstEpisodeSpoiler: That Nitori is transgendered.transgender. It's more apparent in the manga.
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* FuroScene - Chapters 16 and 56
* GenericCuteness - Averted. Shu is conveniently girly-looking, but poor Makoto just ''won't'' pass as a pretty girl even if he dresses.
* GenericCuteness - Averted. Shu is conveniently girly-looking, but poor Makoto just ''won't'' pass as a pretty girl even if he dresses.
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* FuroScene - Chapters 16 and 56
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* GenericCuteness - Averted. Shu isconveniently girly-looking, feminine, but poor Makoto just ''won't'' pass as a pretty girl even if he dresses.
* GenericCuteness - Averted. Shu is
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* GrowingUpSucks - Especially Shuuichi and Yoshino feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as the opposite biological sex.
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* GrowingUpSucks - Especially Shuuichi and Yoshino feel this way, since their physical changes will make it harder to pass as the opposite biological sex.a different gender.
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* HimeCut: Shu wants one of these, though he did temporarily try and sport a Pixie cut. Chiba has one of these.
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* HimeCut: Shu wants one of these, though he did temporarily try and sport a Pixie pixie cut. Chiba has one of these.
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* LesYay: Quite a few people such as (technically) Takatsuki and Chiba, Chizuru and Momoko, and (if you consider him his preferred gender) Nitori and Chiba.
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* LesYay: Quite a few people such as (technically) (from Chiba's perpective) Takatsuki and Chiba, Chizuru and Momoko, and (if you consider him his preferred gender) Nitori and Chiba.
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* LongRunner: Mild, but it's been going on since the early 2000s without that much hint of ending soon.
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* LongRunner: Mild, but it's been going on since the early 2000s without that much hint of ending soon.
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* SchoolFestival - Volume 6
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* SchoolFestival - Volume 66.
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* SeriesContinuityError: In the first volume of the manga Takatsuki says "Her brain gets itchy? That's weird" in reference to Sasa's [[TheDitz nature]], and otherwise acts as if they aren't close. It's later established that they've been close friends since kindergarten, so Takatsuki should already know of Sasa's habits.
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* SeriesContinuityError: In the first volume of the manga Takatsuki says "Her brain gets itchy? That's weird" weird." in reference to Sasa's [[TheDitz nature]], and otherwise acts as if they aren't close. It's later established that they've been close friends since kindergarten, so Takatsuki should already know of Sasa's habits.
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* ShipperOnDeck: Quite a few characters, including Mako and Yuki, support Takatsuki and Nitori together.
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* ShipperOnDeck: Quite a few characters, including Mako and Yuki, support ship Takatsuki and Nitori together.Nitori.
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* ShownTheirWork: The manga has a realistic view on different LGBT topics. Simple cross-dressing, being {{Transsexual}}, being trans as a kid, having trans thoughts as a kid but growing out of it, being gay, sexuality in relation to being trans, etc
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* ShownTheirWork: The manga has a realistic view on different LGBT topics. Simple cross-dressing, being {{Transsexual}}, {{transgender}}, being trans as a kid, having trans thoughts questioning one's gender identity as a kid but growing out of it, being gay, sexuality in relation to being trans, etc etc.
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** Yoshino technically, but with her being {{Transsexual}} is more like she's the gender-bent TallDarkAndHandsome.
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** Yoshino technically, but with her being {{Transsexual}} {{transgender}} is more like she's the gender-bent TallDarkAndHandsome.
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* {{Transsexual}} - Shuuichi, Yoshino, and Yuki.
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* {{Transsexual}} {{Transgender}} - Shuuichi, Yoshino, and Yuki.