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19th May '17 7:00:23 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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In fiction, [[NiceMice mice]] are often portrayed as sympathetic characters. They are always cute, nice, and sometimes even sweet, but often they are also portrayed as honest, brave, and forthright. Rats on the other hand - possibly because of [[TheBlackDeath certain historical events]] - are traditionally AlwaysChaoticEvil in European culture. Also, a mouse is apparently helpless while a rat can bite back ''hard'' (and sometimes ''does'' discourage a cat who is too pampered and not a real hunter). Consequently, if a cat is chasing a mouse, the cat is almost always the villain; if the cat is chasing a rat, he's almost always the hero.

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In fiction, [[NiceMice mice]] are often portrayed as sympathetic characters. They are always cute, nice, and sometimes even sweet, but often they are also portrayed as honest, brave, and forthright. Rats Rats, on the other hand - possibly (possibly because of [[TheBlackDeath certain historical events]] - events]], though EvilIsBigger may also be in play here), are traditionally AlwaysChaoticEvil in European culture. Also, a mouse is apparently helpless while a rat can bite back ''hard'' (and sometimes ''does'' discourage a cat who is too pampered and not a real hunter). Consequently, if a cat is chasing a mouse, the cat is almost always the villain; if the cat is chasing a rat, he's almost always the hero.






** As far as Disney films go, ''Disney/LadyAndTheTramp'' features a rat that threatens the Darlings' baby but is stopped by [[PapaWolf The Tramp]], and ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'' features heroic mice who help the title character deal with her stepmother and stepsisters.

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** As far as Disney films go, ''Disney/LadyAndTheTramp'' features a the rat that pictured above, which threatens the Darlings' baby but is before being stopped by [[PapaWolf The Tramp]], and ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'' features heroic mice who help the title character deal with her stepmother and stepsisters.



* This trope is averted in real life. Rats are actually friendlier, more easily trained, and less likely to bite than mice are, and thus make much better pets than mice do. Anyone who has worked in a pet shop can attest to this. While a mouse that is regularly handled can become quite friendly, other mice tend to be jittery and sometimes aggressive. Rats, on the other hand, are friendly and inquisitive right off, and quickly learn that a human arriving means it's time for food or play. [[http://www.inquisitr.com/166797/rats-free-friends-show-compassion-and-empathy/ Experiments have shown]] that rats are one of the few animals besides humans and higher primates proven to have a sense of compassion.

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* This trope is averted inverted in real life. Rats are actually friendlier, more easily trained, and less likely to bite than mice are, and thus make much better pets than mice do. Anyone who has worked in a pet shop can attest to this. While a mouse that is regularly handled can become quite friendly, other mice tend to be jittery and sometimes aggressive. Rats, on the other hand, are friendly and inquisitive right off, and quickly learn that a human arriving means it's time for food or play. [[http://www.inquisitr.com/166797/rats-free-friends-show-compassion-and-empathy/ Experiments have shown]] that rats are one of the few animals besides humans and higher primates proven to have a sense of compassion.
22nd Apr '17 1:45:51 PM Vox
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* The rats in the ''Literature/DeptfordMice'' series are portrayed as thugs and sadists almost without exception (for a stat, their 'coming of age' ritual involves killing each other).

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* The rats in the ''Literature/DeptfordMice'' series are portrayed as thugs and sadists almost without exception (for a stat, their 'coming of age' ritual involves killing each other). The [[TokenHeroicOrc non-evil rats]] can be counted on one hand.
16th Apr '17 2:58:19 AM SideshowJazz1
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* ''Literature/PaulJennings'' has a short story where a young boy adopts what he thinks is a baby rat after he kills her mother for killing a native bilby and eating her children. His father insists that the baby rat will grow up to be a killer and tries to make his son let him kill her. He eventually lets his son keeps her, but then realizes she's actually a surviving baby bilby, meaning the trope is played straight, playing off the innocent baby bilby against the rat who killed her mother and siblings.
10th Apr '17 10:50:12 AM Theriocephalus
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* Most rodent creatures in ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' are Green (the color of life) except for rats. All rats are Black (the color of death).
** However, DarkIsNotEvil, and while many rats are in fact pests, some of the Kamigawa block Nezumi are decent, if anti-heroic.

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* Most rodent creatures in ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' are Green (the color of life) except for rats. All rats are Black (the color of death).
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death). However, DarkIsNotEvil, and while many rats are in fact pests, some of the Kamigawa block Nezumi are decent, if anti-heroic.



* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', wererats were [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Always]] LawfulEvil (along with the ChaoticEvil werewolves).

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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', wererats were ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'':
** Wererats are canonically
[[AlwaysChaoticEvil Always]] LawfulEvil (along with the ChaoticEvil werewolves).LawfulEvil.



** Likewise, ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' averts it with the Ratfolk, who are humanoid rats, but generally decent, friendly people, most commonly seen as wandering traders and tinkers who ride perfectly tame giant rats.
* Subverted by the Nezumi (aka "ratlings") in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''; they're primitive and rather crude, but basically good guys.
** When ''Five Rings'' was converted to ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' for the 3rd Edition ''Oriental Adventures'' book, nezumi were portrayed as ChaoticNeutral. However, the book noted that ratlings were often evil in other settings.

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** Likewise, * ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' averts it with the Ratfolk, who are humanoid rats, but generally decent, friendly people, most commonly seen as wandering traders and tinkers who ride perfectly tame giant rats.
* Subverted by the Nezumi (aka "ratlings") in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''; they're primitive and rather crude, but basically good guys.
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guys. When ''Five Rings'' was converted to ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' for the 3rd Edition ''Oriental Adventures'' book, nezumi were portrayed as ChaoticNeutral. However, the book noted that ratlings were often evil in other settings.



* The Qiqirn in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI'' are a race of beastmen rats who are on not-really-hostile-at-all terms with TheEmpire of Aht Urhgan. That is, [[HonestJohnsDealership they like the "clink-clink" people carry, and will do anything to get it.]] Essentially the Near-Eastern version of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins,]] just more peaceful.

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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
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The Qiqirn in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI'' are a race of beastmen rats who are on not-really-hostile-at-all terms with TheEmpire of Aht Urhgan. That is, [[HonestJohnsDealership they like the "clink-clink" people carry, and will do anything to get it.]] Essentially the Near-Eastern version of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins,]] just more peaceful.



* ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtCandys'': in this ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangame, one of the major antagonists is a highly damaged, semi-destroyed animatronic aptly named [[ADogNamedDog RAT]], whose name alone seems to be an acronym. Much like Springtrap from the third game, he's strongly implied to be a faulty hybrid suit. And just like Springy, he may very well contain a [[SarcasmMode lovely surprise]] inside...
** Probably not, though. It's been confirmed by the creator of FNAC that RAT is ''not'' a hybrid suit. Doesn't make him any less scary, though.

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* ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtCandys'': in this ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangame, one of the major antagonists is a highly damaged, semi-destroyed animatronic aptly named [[ADogNamedDog RAT]], whose name alone seems to be an acronym. Much like Springtrap from the third game, he's strongly implied to be a faulty hybrid suit. And just like Springy, he may very well contain a [[SarcasmMode lovely surprise]] inside...\n** Probably not, though. It's been confirmed by the creator of FNAC that RAT is ''not'' a hybrid suit. Doesn't make him any less scary, though.



* ''ComicStrip/{{Garfield}}'' befriends a mouse. On the contrary, one of the villains in ''ComicStrip/USAcres''[=/=]Orson's Farm is a rat.
** Averted in the episode "BasketBrawl" features Biff Rat who is friendly and just does commentary on bizarre basketball game Garfield and the others are playing.

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Garfield}}'' befriends a mouse. On the contrary, one of the villains in ''ComicStrip/USAcres''[=/=]Orson's Farm is a rat.
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rat. Averted in the episode "BasketBrawl" "BasketBrawl", which features Biff Rat who is friendly and just does commentary on bizarre basketball game Garfield and the others are playing.
8th Apr '17 1:13:42 PM nombretomado
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* The rats in ''{{Redwall}}'' are always criminals. They're even referred to as vermin.
** Most notably Cluny the Scourge.
** Well, except Blaggut, but he's [[DumbIsGood dumb as a stump]]. (And [[UglyCute friggin' adorable]].)
** By ''Loamhedge'' they seem to have taken back the word "vermin" for their own, as they actually refer to themselves as vermin and seem proud of it.

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* The rats in ''{{Redwall}}'' ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' are always criminals. They're even criminals, referred to consistently as vermin.
** Most notably
vermin.[[note]]By ''Loamhedge'', they have started calling themselves vermin[[/note]]. The most notable example is Cluny the Scourge.
** Well, except
Scourge. By the end of the series, there was only one exception: Blaggut, but he's who is [[DumbIsGood dumb as a stump]]. (And stump]] (and [[UglyCute friggin' adorable]].)
** By ''Loamhedge'' they seem to have taken back the word "vermin" for their own, as they actually refer to themselves as vermin and seem proud of it.
4th Apr '17 6:02:45 PM nombretomado
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** Averted even further in the SpinOff [[PixarShorts short]], "Your Friend the Rat", in which Remy and Emile try to argue for the reconciliation of humans and rats, using historical facts presented to various styles of animation. Among other things, they explain that ThePlague was actually caused by fleas that got attached to black rats, not by the rats themselves, and in fact, the brown, or Norway, rat, the kind of rat that Remy and Emile are, had supposedly helped to end the Plague. And then this is alternately played with and double-subverted during the end credits, when a cautionary message allegedly from the clip's producers scrolls by to remind the audience that rats are vicious, unsanitary, pestilent vermin, and anyone who interacts with them do so at their own risk, as Remy and Emile can be heard vigorously protesting in the background.

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** Averted even further in the SpinOff [[PixarShorts [[WesternAnimation/PixarShorts short]], "Your Friend the Rat", in which Remy and Emile try to argue for the reconciliation of humans and rats, using historical facts presented to various styles of animation. Among other things, they explain that ThePlague was actually caused by fleas that got attached to black rats, not by the rats themselves, and in fact, the brown, or Norway, rat, the kind of rat that Remy and Emile are, had supposedly helped to end the Plague. And then this is alternately played with and double-subverted during the end credits, when a cautionary message allegedly from the clip's producers scrolls by to remind the audience that rats are vicious, unsanitary, pestilent vermin, and anyone who interacts with them do so at their own risk, as Remy and Emile can be heard vigorously protesting in the background.
3rd Apr '17 9:29:49 PM ElSquibbonator
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In fiction, [[NiceMice mice]] are often portrayed as sympathetic characters. They are always cute, nice, and sometimes even sweet, but often they are also portrayed as honest, brave, and forthright. Rats on the other hand - possibly because of [[TheBlackDeath certain historical events]] - are AlwaysChaoticEvil in the West. Also, a mouse is apparently helpless while a rat can bite back ''hard'' (and sometimes ''does'' discourage a cat who is too pampered and not a real hunter). Consequently, if a cat is chasing a mouse, the cat is almost always the villain; if the cat is chasing a rat, he's almost always the hero.

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In fiction, [[NiceMice mice]] are often portrayed as sympathetic characters. They are always cute, nice, and sometimes even sweet, but often they are also portrayed as honest, brave, and forthright. Rats on the other hand - possibly because of [[TheBlackDeath certain historical events]] - are traditionally AlwaysChaoticEvil in the West.European culture. Also, a mouse is apparently helpless while a rat can bite back ''hard'' (and sometimes ''does'' discourage a cat who is too pampered and not a real hunter). Consequently, if a cat is chasing a mouse, the cat is almost always the villain; if the cat is chasing a rat, he's almost always the hero.
16th Mar '17 6:47:16 PM FlyingDuckManGenesis
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* Verminious Snaptrap from ''T.U.F.F. Puppy'', who serves as the leader of the Diabolical Order of Mayhem ([[FunWithAcronyms or D.O.O.M. for short]]).

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* Verminious Snaptrap from ''T.''[[WesternAnimation/TUFFPuppy T.U.F.F. Puppy'', Puppy]]'' is a [[RodentsOfUnusualSize giant rat]] who serves as the leader of the Diabolical Order of Mayhem ([[FunWithAcronyms or D.O.O.M. for short]]).



* [[TheItchyAndScratchyShoow Itchy]] from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' is a rare "mean mouse" example,

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* [[TheItchyAndScratchyShoow [[WesternAnimation/TheItchyAndScratchyShow Itchy]] from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' is a rare "mean mouse" example,



* The main villain of ''WesternAnimation/TuffPuppy'' is a [[RodentsOfUnusualSize giant rat]] named Verminious Snaptrap.
16th Mar '17 11:42:22 AM Theriocephalus
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** And then there's TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'s [[http://www.planewalker.com/040101/cranium-rat Cranium Rats]] -- one isn't smarter than a normal rodent, but their telepatic abilities bind their little powers and intellects into HiveMind, so the pack of three dozens can cast minor spells, half-hundred is as smart as an average human, and so on. They're NeutralEvil, and some or all of them are spies of [[EldritchAbomination illithid god Ilsensine]].

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** And then there's TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'s [[http://www.planewalker.com/040101/cranium-rat Cranium Rats]] Rats -- one isn't smarter than a normal rodent, but their telepatic abilities bind their little powers and intellects into a HiveMind, so the a pack of three dozens dozen can cast minor spells, half-hundred is half a hundred are as smart as an average human, and so on. They're NeutralEvil, and some or all of them are spies of [[EldritchAbomination illithid god Ilsensine]].
11th Mar '17 1:10:26 PM AreYouTyler
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* Mortimer Mouse, [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]]'s rival, despite having mouse in his name, looks more like an anthropomorphic rat. He's got the {{Jerkass}} behavior to boot, and usually acts as a recurring antagonist of Mickey and his friends, usually in the earlier shorts and in ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse''. His plans usually consist of him trying to take away Minnie from Mickey, and overall being an annoyance for them most of the time.

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* Mortimer Mouse, [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]]'s WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse's rival, despite having mouse in his name, looks more like an anthropomorphic rat. He's got the {{Jerkass}} behavior to boot, and usually acts as a recurring antagonist of Mickey and his friends, usually in the earlier shorts and in ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse''. His plans usually consist of him trying to take away Minnie from Mickey, and overall being an annoyance for them most of the time.


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* The main villain of ''WesternAnimation/TuffPuppy'' is a [[RodentsOfUnusualSize giant rat]] named Verminious Snaptrap.
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