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11th Aug '17 2:14:47 PM ElSquibbonator
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* The Mice in ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'' are all virtuous, loving immigrants. Warren T. Rat, on the other hand, [[spoiler:isn't even a rat, but [[AssInALionSkin a cat]], and one of the bad ones at that]]. It also briefly features a huge, scary rat who is a sweatshop owner. On the other hand, rats show up as background characters in the original film and its sequels, and while some do act jerkish, the great majority is just trying to survive alongside the mice.

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* The Mice in ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'' are all virtuous, loving immigrants. Warren T. Rat, on the other hand, [[spoiler:isn't even a rat, but [[AssInALionSkin a cat]], and one of the bad ones at that]]. It also briefly features a huge, scary rat who is a sweatshop owner. On the other hand, The second sequel, ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island'', features a group of CorruptCorporateExecutive rats show up who run a cheese factory as background characters in the original film and its sequels, and while some do act jerkish, the great majority is just trying to survive alongside the mice.main villains.
31st Jul '17 7:32:09 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''WatershipDown'' uses this one. The rabbits are attacked by a pack of rats just after escaping from Strawberry's original warren. Then again, later in the book Hazel, during the first trip to Nuthanger Farm, stops to ask a rat for directions and gets a quite civil answer, even if, as the narrative notes, the rat had no particular reason to be friendly.

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* ''WatershipDown'' ''Literature/WatershipDown'' uses this one. The rabbits are attacked by a pack of rats just after escaping from Strawberry's original warren. Then again, later in the book Hazel, during the first trip to Nuthanger Farm, stops to ask a rat for directions and gets a quite civil answer, even if, as the narrative notes, the rat had no particular reason to be friendly.
18th Jul '17 10:30:28 PM Arachnos
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* The Mouse King in the [[Theatre/TheNutcracker Nutcracker Ballet]] is probably one of the more famous examples and a subversion of the "mice are nice" part. He even has [[MultipleHeadCase three heads]] in some versions of the story.

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* The Mouse King in the [[Theatre/TheNutcracker Nutcracker Ballet]] is probably one of the more famous examples and a subversion of the "mice are nice" part. He even has [[MultipleHeadCase three heads]] in some versions of the story.story, and a whopping '''seven''' in the original tale.
11th Jul '17 7:50:58 AM SSJMagus
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** Contrary to the "dirty" stereotype, rats are generally cleaner than other rodents, being fairly conscientious about grooming themselves.
22nd Jun '17 5:54:10 PM DrNoPuma
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* In ''VideoGame/TinkerQuarry'', most of the enemies seen so far resemble mice or rats.
14th Jun '17 1:34:22 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter'', Ron Weasley's pet rat Scabbers turns out to actually be the animagus Peter Pettigrew in disguise. Pettigrew, of course, was [[TheMole the traitor who sold Harry's parents]] to [[BigBad Lord Voldemort]]. He's even described as rat-like when he's in human form.

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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter'', Ron Weasley's pet rat Scabbers turns out to actually be the animagus Peter Pettigrew in disguise. Pettigrew, [[ItWasHisSled of course, course]], was [[TheMole the traitor who sold Harry's parents]] to [[BigBad Lord Voldemort]]. He's even described as rat-like when he's in human form.
19th May '17 7:00:23 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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In fiction, [[NiceMice mice]] are often portrayed as sympathetic characters. They are always cute, nice, and sometimes even sweet, but often they are also portrayed as honest, brave, and forthright. Rats on the other hand - possibly because of [[TheBlackDeath certain historical events]] - are traditionally AlwaysChaoticEvil in European culture. Also, a mouse is apparently helpless while a rat can bite back ''hard'' (and sometimes ''does'' discourage a cat who is too pampered and not a real hunter). Consequently, if a cat is chasing a mouse, the cat is almost always the villain; if the cat is chasing a rat, he's almost always the hero.

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In fiction, [[NiceMice mice]] are often portrayed as sympathetic characters. They are always cute, nice, and sometimes even sweet, but often they are also portrayed as honest, brave, and forthright. Rats Rats, on the other hand - possibly (possibly because of [[TheBlackDeath certain historical events]] - events]], though EvilIsBigger may also be in play here), are traditionally AlwaysChaoticEvil in European culture. Also, a mouse is apparently helpless while a rat can bite back ''hard'' (and sometimes ''does'' discourage a cat who is too pampered and not a real hunter). Consequently, if a cat is chasing a mouse, the cat is almost always the villain; if the cat is chasing a rat, he's almost always the hero.






** As far as Disney films go, ''Disney/LadyAndTheTramp'' features a rat that threatens the Darlings' baby but is stopped by [[PapaWolf The Tramp]], and ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'' features heroic mice who help the title character deal with her stepmother and stepsisters.

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** As far as Disney films go, ''Disney/LadyAndTheTramp'' features a the rat that pictured above, which threatens the Darlings' baby but is before being stopped by [[PapaWolf The Tramp]], and ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'' features heroic mice who help the title character deal with her stepmother and stepsisters.



* This trope is averted in real life. Rats are actually friendlier, more easily trained, and less likely to bite than mice are, and thus make much better pets than mice do. Anyone who has worked in a pet shop can attest to this. While a mouse that is regularly handled can become quite friendly, other mice tend to be jittery and sometimes aggressive. Rats, on the other hand, are friendly and inquisitive right off, and quickly learn that a human arriving means it's time for food or play. [[http://www.inquisitr.com/166797/rats-free-friends-show-compassion-and-empathy/ Experiments have shown]] that rats are one of the few animals besides humans and higher primates proven to have a sense of compassion.

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* This trope is averted inverted in real life. Rats are actually friendlier, more easily trained, and less likely to bite than mice are, and thus make much better pets than mice do. Anyone who has worked in a pet shop can attest to this. While a mouse that is regularly handled can become quite friendly, other mice tend to be jittery and sometimes aggressive. Rats, on the other hand, are friendly and inquisitive right off, and quickly learn that a human arriving means it's time for food or play. [[http://www.inquisitr.com/166797/rats-free-friends-show-compassion-and-empathy/ Experiments have shown]] that rats are one of the few animals besides humans and higher primates proven to have a sense of compassion.
22nd Apr '17 1:45:51 PM Vox
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* The rats in the ''Literature/DeptfordMice'' series are portrayed as thugs and sadists almost without exception (for a stat, their 'coming of age' ritual involves killing each other).

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* The rats in the ''Literature/DeptfordMice'' series are portrayed as thugs and sadists almost without exception (for a stat, their 'coming of age' ritual involves killing each other). The [[TokenHeroicOrc non-evil rats]] can be counted on one hand.
16th Apr '17 2:58:19 AM SideshowJazz1
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* ''Literature/PaulJennings'' has a short story where a young boy adopts what he thinks is a baby rat after he kills her mother for killing a native bilby and eating her children. His father insists that the baby rat will grow up to be a killer and tries to make his son let him kill her. He eventually lets his son keeps her, but then realizes she's actually a surviving baby bilby, meaning the trope is played straight, playing off the innocent baby bilby against the rat who killed her mother and siblings.
10th Apr '17 10:50:12 AM Theriocephalus
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* Most rodent creatures in ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' are Green (the color of life) except for rats. All rats are Black (the color of death).
** However, DarkIsNotEvil, and while many rats are in fact pests, some of the Kamigawa block Nezumi are decent, if anti-heroic.

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* Most rodent creatures in ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' are Green (the color of life) except for rats. All rats are Black (the color of death).
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death). However, DarkIsNotEvil, and while many rats are in fact pests, some of the Kamigawa block Nezumi are decent, if anti-heroic.



* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', wererats were [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Always]] LawfulEvil (along with the ChaoticEvil werewolves).

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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', wererats were ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'':
** Wererats are canonically
[[AlwaysChaoticEvil Always]] LawfulEvil (along with the ChaoticEvil werewolves).LawfulEvil.



** Likewise, ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' averts it with the Ratfolk, who are humanoid rats, but generally decent, friendly people, most commonly seen as wandering traders and tinkers who ride perfectly tame giant rats.
* Subverted by the Nezumi (aka "ratlings") in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''; they're primitive and rather crude, but basically good guys.
** When ''Five Rings'' was converted to ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' for the 3rd Edition ''Oriental Adventures'' book, nezumi were portrayed as ChaoticNeutral. However, the book noted that ratlings were often evil in other settings.

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** Likewise, * ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' averts it with the Ratfolk, who are humanoid rats, but generally decent, friendly people, most commonly seen as wandering traders and tinkers who ride perfectly tame giant rats.
* Subverted by the Nezumi (aka "ratlings") in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''; they're primitive and rather crude, but basically good guys.
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guys. When ''Five Rings'' was converted to ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' for the 3rd Edition ''Oriental Adventures'' book, nezumi were portrayed as ChaoticNeutral. However, the book noted that ratlings were often evil in other settings.



* The Qiqirn in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI'' are a race of beastmen rats who are on not-really-hostile-at-all terms with TheEmpire of Aht Urhgan. That is, [[HonestJohnsDealership they like the "clink-clink" people carry, and will do anything to get it.]] Essentially the Near-Eastern version of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins,]] just more peaceful.

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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
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The Qiqirn in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI'' are a race of beastmen rats who are on not-really-hostile-at-all terms with TheEmpire of Aht Urhgan. That is, [[HonestJohnsDealership they like the "clink-clink" people carry, and will do anything to get it.]] Essentially the Near-Eastern version of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins,]] just more peaceful.



* ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtCandys'': in this ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangame, one of the major antagonists is a highly damaged, semi-destroyed animatronic aptly named [[ADogNamedDog RAT]], whose name alone seems to be an acronym. Much like Springtrap from the third game, he's strongly implied to be a faulty hybrid suit. And just like Springy, he may very well contain a [[SarcasmMode lovely surprise]] inside...
** Probably not, though. It's been confirmed by the creator of FNAC that RAT is ''not'' a hybrid suit. Doesn't make him any less scary, though.

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* ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtCandys'': in this ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangame, one of the major antagonists is a highly damaged, semi-destroyed animatronic aptly named [[ADogNamedDog RAT]], whose name alone seems to be an acronym. Much like Springtrap from the third game, he's strongly implied to be a faulty hybrid suit. And just like Springy, he may very well contain a [[SarcasmMode lovely surprise]] inside...\n** Probably not, though. It's been confirmed by the creator of FNAC that RAT is ''not'' a hybrid suit. Doesn't make him any less scary, though.



* ''ComicStrip/{{Garfield}}'' befriends a mouse. On the contrary, one of the villains in ''ComicStrip/USAcres''[=/=]Orson's Farm is a rat.
** Averted in the episode "BasketBrawl" features Biff Rat who is friendly and just does commentary on bizarre basketball game Garfield and the others are playing.

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Garfield}}'' befriends a mouse. On the contrary, one of the villains in ''ComicStrip/USAcres''[=/=]Orson's Farm is a rat.
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rat. Averted in the episode "BasketBrawl" "BasketBrawl", which features Biff Rat who is friendly and just does commentary on bizarre basketball game Garfield and the others are playing.
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