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13th Oct '17 2:58:43 PM ultimomant
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* ''Anime/YuGiOhARCV'': Roget, the main villain of the Synchro arc, proposes this to Yuya: if Yuya beats Jack, he will take his place as the city's champion, and keep the peace between the two warring states of the city. Yuya declines, as he realizes that Roget has no intention of using the role to actually fix the problem, and would rather keep the peace and retain his control over the city. Roget also tries to groom Serena as his next pawn, but Serena refuses his hand-outs and doesn't want to work with him.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOhARCV'': ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'': Roget, the main villain of the Synchro arc, proposes this to Yuya: if Yuya beats Jack, he will take his place as the city's champion, and keep the peace between the two warring states of the city. Yuya declines, as he realizes that Roget has no intention of using the role to actually fix the problem, and would rather keep the peace and retain his control over the city. Roget also tries to groom Serena as his next pawn, but Serena refuses his hand-outs and doesn't want to work with him.



* The soon to be Pirate King hinself was offered this by a rival of his, Shiki. The two apparently had many disagreemsnts and issues in the past, but Shiki was willing to ignore it if they could team up. Unfortunately, Roger had no interest in dominating the world.

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* ** The soon to be Pirate King hinself was offered this by a rival of his, Shiki. The two apparently had many disagreemsnts and issues in the past, but Shiki was willing to ignore it if they could team up. Unfortunately, Roger had no interest in dominating the world.
22nd Sep '17 1:41:42 PM Silverblade2
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* SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} likes to poke Professor X with this idea from time to time in ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' but the Professor's ideals of mutant equality (not supremacy) always win out. Professor X in turn tries to convince his old friend to give peace a chance. Magneto has actually tried doing things Xavier's way a few times, but for the most part StatusQuoIsGod since he's just too compelling as a Foil.

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* SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} likes to poke Professor X with this idea from time to time in ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' but the Professor's ideals of mutant equality (not supremacy) always win out. Professor X in turn tries to convince his old friend to give peace a chance. Magneto has actually tried doing things Xavier's way a few times, but for the most part StatusQuoIsGod since he's just too compelling as a Foil.
18th Sep '17 4:03:56 AM Nakuyabi
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# The villain is [[ItsAllAboutMe so evil]] that they literally [[EvilCannotComprehendGood cannot comprehend why the hero's fighting]] -- they don't believe in [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove love]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship loyalty]], [[HonorBeforeReason honor]], and so forth, and don't believe the good guy really does, either.
# The villain just decides it's worth the risk - if the good guy's ''this'' impressive when GoodIsDumb, [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood imagine how great they'd be]] as an {{Evil Minion|s}}!
# The villain has some connection to the hero (either [[LukeIAmYourFather blood relation]] or [[BigBadFriend childhood friends]], usually), and despite being evil [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes still cares about him]]. Far better to convince the hero to join him than to kill somebody whom he prefers not be dead.
# The villain takes an interest in the hero either as a WorthyOpponent, sees them as NotSoDifferent, or may perhaps even have a VillainousCrush on them. In the first two cases, the villain sees a potential strong ally, in the last case it may be EvenEvilHasLovedOnes.

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# The villain is Some villains are just [[ItsAllAboutMe so evil]] that they literally [[EvilCannotComprehendGood cannot comprehend why the hero's fighting]] -- they don't believe in [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove love]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship loyalty]], [[HonorBeforeReason honor]], and so forth, and don't can't believe the good guy really does, either.
# The villain just decides it's worth the risk - if the good guy's ''this'' impressive when GoodIsDumb, [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood imagine how great they'd he might be]] as an {{Evil Minion|s}}!
# The villain has some connection to the hero (either [[LukeIAmYourFather blood relation]] or [[BigBadFriend childhood friends]], usually), and despite being evil [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes still cares about him]]. Far better to He'd much rather convince the hero to join him than to kill somebody whom he prefers not be dead.
he'd prefer to keep alive.
# The villain takes an interest in the hero either as a WorthyOpponent, sees them or as NotSoDifferent, NotSoDifferent from himself, or may perhaps even have a VillainousCrush on them. him or her. In the first former two cases, the villain sees a potential strong potentially powerful ally, while in the last case latter it may be EvenEvilHasLovedOnes. qualify as a case of EvenEvilHasLovedOnes.



# The villain may ''need'' the hero to join him for the EvilPlan to work.

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# The villain may ''need'' the hero to join him for the some EvilPlan he's putting into motion to work.



The final case [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans can be particularly chilling]] because they believe that they are offering you a chance to do the right thing, and will be surprised (or in the case of a KnightTemplar, outraged) that you would turn them down.

The villain's [[ArsonMurderAndAdmiration momentary admiration]] for the hero usually (intentionally) leaves lasting NotSoDifferent scars. If the villain is a little ''too'' insistent, then expect FoeYay to occur. The specific and openly romantic variation where a villainess offers the hero to become her consort is covered under VillainessesWantHeroes.

Some Videogames may give this option to the player, leading to an alternate ending or a NonStandardGameOver, in most cases an "evil" player's scripted response to this offer is commonly the player killing the villain and taking the CosmicKeystone for themselves. Certain villains should be aware that even success can be dangerous to them if the FallenHero [[ICanRuleAlone doesn't feel like sharing]].

The usual response is:

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The final case [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans can be particularly chilling]] because they believe that they are the villain believes he is offering you the hero a chance to do the right thing, and will be surprised (or in the case of a KnightTemplar, outraged) that you would turn them at being turned down.

The villain's [[ArsonMurderAndAdmiration momentary admiration]] for the hero usually (intentionally) leaves lasting NotSoDifferent scars. If the villain is a little ''too'' insistent, then expect FoeYay to occur. The specific and openly romantic variation where a villainess offers the hero a chance to become her consort is covered under VillainessesWantHeroes.

Some Videogames may give this option to the player, leading to an alternate ending or a NonStandardGameOver, in most cases a great many cases, an "evil" player's scripted response to this offer is commonly the player killing the villain and taking seizing the CosmicKeystone for themselves. CosmicKeystone. Certain villains should be aware that even success can be dangerous to them if the FallenHero [[ICanRuleAlone doesn't feel like sharing]].

sharing power]].

The usual response is:three most common responses are:



# The hero joins, only to betray the villain later on.

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# The hero joins, [[FakeDefector only to betray the villain later on.on]].



The inversion is LastSecondChance, when it's the hero making the offer. One possible subversion is ICanRuleAlone.

Contrast YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood, which is when the hero tries to bring the villain over to the good side, and OfferedTheCrown, where the hero is offered power by the good guys as a reward for heroism.

Compare LastChanceToQuit, DealWithTheDevil.

See also LeaveYourQuestTest.

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The inversion is LastSecondChance, when it's the hero making the offer. One possible subversion offer to the villain. ICanRuleAlone is ICanRuleAlone.

a very common subversion.

Contrast YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood, which is when another way the hero tries may try to bring the villain over to the good side, and OfferedTheCrown, where the hero is offered power by the good guys as a reward for heroism.

Compare LastChanceToQuit, DealWithTheDevil.

DealWithTheDevil.

See also LeaveYourQuestTest.
LeaveYourQuestTest.
15th Sep '17 12:24:25 PM BeerBaron
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** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'''s ''Dragonborn'' DLC, [[spoiler:[[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Knowledge]], [[EldritchAbomination Hermaeus Mora]],]] seems intent on making [[PlayerCharacter the Dragonborn]] his new [[TheDragon champion]]. He is notably the only Daedric Prince you ''must'' encounter during the main quest [[spoiler:and he is the GreaterScopeVillain of ''Dragonborn''. The entire plot of ''Dragonborn'' is basically Mora's [[TheChessmaster scheme]] to replace [[EvilCounterpart Miraak]] with the Dragonborn,]] with everyone else involved being {{Unwitting Pawn}}s at best.

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** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'''s ''Dragonborn'' Skyrim]]'':
*** Just before the final battle in [[spoiler:[[WarriorHeaven Sovngarde]]]], [[BigBad Alduin]] compliments the [[PlayerCharacter Last Dragonborn]] and mentions that s/he would have been an excellent slave. For a being whose fundamental nature is to dominate, that is probably as close as he can come to this trope.
*** In the''Dragonborn''
DLC, [[spoiler:[[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Knowledge]], [[EldritchAbomination Hermaeus Mora]],]] seems intent on making [[PlayerCharacter the Dragonborn]] his new [[TheDragon champion]]. He is notably the only Daedric Prince you ''must'' encounter during the main quest [[spoiler:and he is the GreaterScopeVillain of ''Dragonborn''. The entire plot of ''Dragonborn'' is basically Mora's [[TheChessmaster scheme]] to replace [[EvilCounterpart Miraak]] with the Dragonborn,]] with everyone else involved being {{Unwitting Pawn}}s at best.
11th Sep '17 11:31:33 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'': Slade's [[HiddenAgendaVillain hidden motive]] all along was revealed to be just to get Robin to join him. The DiabolicalMastermind finally resorted to outright {{blackmail}} -- apprenticeship in exchange for his friends' lives. At least, he used the word "apprentice," but what he really seemed to want was a [[strike:[[FoeYay catamite]]]] son:
-->'''Slade''': Who knows? I may even become like a father to you.
-->'''Robin''': I already have a [[{{Franchise/Batman}} father]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'': ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'':
**
Slade's [[HiddenAgendaVillain hidden motive]] all along was revealed to be just to get Robin to join him. The DiabolicalMastermind finally resorted to outright {{blackmail}} -- apprenticeship in exchange for his friends' lives. At least, he used the word "apprentice," but what he really seemed to want was a [[strike:[[FoeYay catamite]]]] son:
-->'''Slade''': Who knows? I may even become like a father to you.
-->'''Robin''':
you.\\
'''Robin''':
I already have a [[{{Franchise/Batman}} father]].



* ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'': Before MotiveDecay set in in Season 3, Vlad Plasmius held a similar obsession for Danny, offering him partnership from Day 1: "Think about the things I could show you. The doors I could open for you. You, Danny Phantom, and I, Vlad Plasmius... together, we could rule!"

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* ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'': ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'':
**
Before MotiveDecay set in in Season 3, Vlad Plasmius held a similar obsession for Danny, offering him partnership from Day 1: "Think about the things I could show you. The doors I could open for you. You, Danny Phantom, and I, Vlad Plasmius... together, we could rule!"



* {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} delivers one of these to a weakened Franchise/{{Superman}} in a pivotal episode of ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''. It even plays out at the top of a tall mountain, [[FauxSymbolism paralleling the Biblical temptation of Jesus]].
** ComicBook/LexLuthor tries it (in a roundabout way) at the end of the pilot movie, but is soundly rebuffed.
*** In the comics (ComicBook/PostCrisis, pre-Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis, at least) Lex hires some {{Mooks}} to hijack his own boat just to see Superman in action. He's so impressed by what he sees he offers Supes a blank check and a permanent staff position. The mayor offers to temporarily deputize Superman so he can arrest Luthor for reckless endangerment of the passengers. Three guesses on what Superman decides to do, and the first two don't count.

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* {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} delivers one of these to a weakened Franchise/{{Superman}} in a pivotal episode of ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''. It even plays out at the top of a tall mountain, [[FauxSymbolism paralleling the Biblical temptation of Jesus]].
''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'':
** ComicBook/LexLuthor tries it this (in a roundabout way) at the end of the pilot movie, but is soundly rebuffed.
*** ** In the comics (ComicBook/PostCrisis, pre-Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis, at least) Lex hires some {{Mooks}} to hijack his own boat just to see Superman in action. He's so impressed by what he sees he offers Supes a blank check and a permanent staff position. The mayor offers to temporarily deputize Superman so he can arrest Luthor for reckless endangerment of the passengers. Three guesses on what Superman decides to do, and the first two don't count.count.
** {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} delivers one of these to a weakened Superman in a pivotal episode. It even plays out at the top of a tall mountain, [[FauxSymbolism paralleling the Biblical temptation of Jesus]].
11th Sep '17 11:30:21 AM nighttrainfm
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* Chase Young of ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'' has this as his entire motivation - he never puts his EvilPlan into motion until Omi is at his side. Throughout season 2, he is shown to be making progress slowly luring Omi to the side of evil, [[spoiler:only to use a magic MirrorMoralityMachine... but while Omi is under its effects Chase gets him to swear his loyalty, so that when he's snapped out of it, ''[[HonorBeforeReason he goes over willingly]]'']].
** Also, in the first-season finale, Wuya offers this to Raimundo... and he accepts, ending the season with a FaceHeelTurn CliffHanger. [[spoiler: Raimundo later has a change of heart and leaves her, though.]]
*** Incidentally, this results in Raimundo asking his friends to serve Wuya at his side - he joined her because of his own selfish reasons, but never really wanted to hurt anyone. So when Wuya threatens his friends, the only way he can think of to spare then and keep what Wuya's given him is to pull this trope. They tell him they'd rather kiss the backside of a mule.

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* Chase Young of ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'' has this as his entire motivation - he never puts his EvilPlan into motion until Omi is at his side. Throughout season 2, he is shown to be making progress slowly luring Omi to ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'':
** In
the side of evil, [[spoiler:only to use a magic MirrorMoralityMachine... but while Omi is under its effects Chase gets him to swear his loyalty, so that when he's snapped out of it, ''[[HonorBeforeReason he goes over willingly]]'']].
** Also, in the first-season finale,
first SeasonFinale, Wuya offers this to Raimundo... Raimundo, who's feeling unappreciated... and he accepts, ending the season with a FaceHeelTurn CliffHanger. [[spoiler: Raimundo later helping her regain her physical form and TakeOverTheWorld. He has a change of heart and leaves her, though.]]
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her in the second season's opening two-parter.
**
Incidentally, this results in Raimundo asking his friends to serve Wuya at his side - he joined her because of his own selfish reasons, but never really wanted to hurt anyone. So when Wuya threatens his friends, the only way he can think of to spare then and keep what Wuya's given him is to pull this trope. They tell him they'd rather kiss the backside of a mule.mule.
** Chase Young has this as his entire motivation - he knows Omi has the potential to defeat him someday, but also that their combined power would make him invincible. Therefore, he never puts his EvilPlan into motion until Omi is at his side. Throughout season 2, he is shown to be making progress slowly luring Omi to the side of evil, only to use a magic MirrorMoralityMachine... but while Omi is under its effects Chase gets him to swear his loyalty, so that when he's snapped out of it, ''[[HonorBeforeReason he goes over willingly]]''.
11th Sep '17 3:50:01 AM Slothgirl
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* In ''[[Fanfic/StarTrekMirror Star Trek: Mirror]]'', Mirror Kirk practically ''begs'' Spock to join his cause on several occasions, because [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he genuinely does seem to love his second-in-command]], [[DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest and even if this isn't his Spock, his rightful place is still by Kirk's side.]] [[spoiler:It backfires on him horribly. Not only do his offers give Spock and Sulu a way to board the captured Enterprise, foil Mirror Kirk's plans and facilitate the safe(ish) return of Kirk, [=McCoy=], Scotty and Uhura, but the Mirror counterparts of the latter three [[LoveIsAWeakness become disgusted with their Captain's sentimentality]], [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness decide he's outlived his usefulness]] [[KlingonPromotion and try to off him.]]]]
4th Sep '17 3:51:30 AM JackG
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** Played for laughs when a MadScientist who's enamored with Servalan offers this trope in exchange for his superweapon. Servalan has had plenty of {{Hot Consort}}s, but as the scientist is a [[AbhorrentAdmirer balding middle-aged loony with facial warts]] even she has trouble stringing him along.

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** Played for laughs when a MadScientist who's enamored with Servalan offers this trope in exchange for his superweapon. Servalan has had plenty of {{Hot Consort}}s, but as the scientist is a [[AbhorrentAdmirer balding middle-aged loony with facial warts]] even she has trouble stringing him finds it difficult to play along.
4th Sep '17 3:49:24 AM JackG
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** Played for laughs when a MadScientist who's enamored with Servalan offers this trope in exchange for his DoomsdayWeapon. Servalan has had plenty of {{Hot Consort}}s, but as the scientist is a [[AbhorrentAdmirer balding middle-aged loony with facial warts]] even she has trouble stringing him along.

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** Played for laughs when a MadScientist who's enamored with Servalan offers this trope in exchange for his DoomsdayWeapon.superweapon. Servalan has had plenty of {{Hot Consort}}s, but as the scientist is a [[AbhorrentAdmirer balding middle-aged loony with facial warts]] even she has trouble stringing him along.
4th Sep '17 3:48:54 AM JackG
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* On ''Series/BlakesSeven'', Servalan offers this to Avon. He rejects her not for [[AntiHero moral reasons]], but because he suspects that once she had what she wanted from him, he'd "be dead in a week."

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* On ''Series/BlakesSeven'', ''Series/BlakesSeven''
** In "Aftermath",
Servalan offers this to Avon. He rejects her not for [[AntiHero moral reasons]], but because he suspects that once she had what she wanted from him, he'd "be dead in a week.""
** Played for laughs when a MadScientist who's enamored with Servalan offers this trope in exchange for his DoomsdayWeapon. Servalan has had plenty of {{Hot Consort}}s, but as the scientist is a [[AbhorrentAdmirer balding middle-aged loony with facial warts]] even she has trouble stringing him along.
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