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14th Jan '18 7:00:46 AM Bissek
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* The main character of the Larry Bond novel ''Cold Choices'' starts the book in one - he and his crew are in a simulated submarine that is springing leaks, and the leaks get bigger and bigger as time goes by. Everyone going in ''knows'' that it's unwinnable - the people running the tests will just keep adding more leaks and pumping in more water until the compartment floods. The test is about their ability to keep their heads straight and continue to fight for their lives in a high stress situation, and they are graded by how long they are able to delay the inevitable.
5th Dec '17 9:49:54 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''DemonsSouls'' all the way.

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* ''DemonsSouls'' ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' all the way.
20th Nov '17 2:26:42 PM GuiRitter
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** To clarify, the tutorial takes you through all the basics: movement, attacking, defending, counters, items, etc... Then you face your very first boss, who is capable killing you in one hit, no matter what armor you have on, and is very likely to do so... On the off chance that you manage to survive the fight and defeat him, you are transported to another area where a massive (we're talking as big as the ''whole freaking room'') dragon delivers a single instant death punch right to your face in a cutscene, resulting in your death.

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** To clarify, the tutorial takes you through all the basics: movement, attacking, defending, counters, items, etc... Then you face your very first boss, who is capable of killing you in one hit, no matter what armor you have on, and is very likely to do so... On the off chance that you manage to survive the fight and defeat him, you are transported to another area where a massive (we're talking as big as the ''whole freaking room'') dragon delivers a single instant death punch right to your face in a cutscene, resulting in your death.
5th Nov '17 4:06:59 PM Premonition45
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** In addition to its original appearance, the Kobayashi Maru simulation is found or mentioned in a number of episodes. (''TNG'' also includes fresh instances and variations of the trope; for instance, the Bridge Officer qualification test on the Holodeck in the episode "Thine Own Self", in which Troi realizes that she can only succeed if she [[spoiler:orders holographic [=LaForge=] to his death]]). The point of the BO-QT is to impress upon the trainee that you are in charge of a SHIP that has HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of lives aboard. [[spoiler:Essentially to teach the lesson "Lives of the Many outweigh the lives of the Few, or the One." Even if that One is one of your best, closest friends.]]
---> '''Riker:''' "I can't - as much as I care about you, my first duty is to the ship. I can not let any bridge officer serve who's not qualified - I'm sorry."

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** In addition to its original appearance, the Kobayashi Maru simulation is found or mentioned in a number of episodes. (''TNG'' also includes fresh instances and variations of the trope; for instance, the Bridge Officer qualification test on the Holodeck in the episode "Thine Own Self", in which Troi realizes that she can only succeed if she [[spoiler:orders holographic [=LaForge=] to his death]]). The point of the BO-QT is to impress upon the trainee that you are in charge of a SHIP that has HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of lives aboard. [[spoiler:Essentially to teach the lesson [[TheNeedsOfTheMany "Lives of the Many outweigh the lives of the Few, or the One." "]] Even if that One is one of your best, closest friends.]]
---> '''Riker:''' "I --->'''Riker:''' I can't - as much as I care about you, [[EurekaMoment my first duty is to the ship.ship]]. I can not let any bridge officer serve who's not qualified - I'm sorry." "



** Proving that Starfleet isn't blind to all those "How I Flunked The ''Kobayashi Maru'' Test" stories circulating among cadets, Wesley Crusher on ''TNG'' was subjected to a different kind of simulated no-win scenario during his Academy training. A faked "accident" left two technicians trapped in a room that would soon flood with radiation, and Wesley was given time to save only one of them. Unable to talk the more terrified man into moving, he helped the injured one to safety and reluctantly left the other behind. Unlike the traditional test this was just for entrance into the academy, and designed to make him face what they had determined was his greatest fear (being in the situation Picard had faced when unable to save Wesley's father, his best friend, on an away mission).

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** Proving that Starfleet isn't blind to all those "How I Flunked The ''Kobayashi Maru'' Test" stories circulating among cadets, Wesley Crusher on ''TNG'' was subjected to a different kind of simulated no-win scenario during his Academy training.training in "Coming of Age". A faked "accident" left two technicians trapped in a room that would soon flood with radiation, and Wesley was given time to save only one of them. Unable to talk the more terrified man into moving, he helped the injured one to safety and reluctantly left the other behind. Unlike the traditional test test, this was just for entrance into the academy, and designed to make him face what they had determined was his greatest fear (being in the situation Picard had faced when unable to save Wesley's father, his best friend, on an away mission).
12th Oct '17 11:40:09 PM Jhamin
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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. (later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]].) Kirk explicitly believes [[Determinator there is no such thing]] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"

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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. (later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]].) Kirk explicitly believes [[Determinator there is no such thing]] thing as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"
12th Oct '17 11:39:28 PM Jhamin
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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. McCoy tells us this in the film and it is later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]]. Kirk explicitly believes [Determinator there is no such thing] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"

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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. McCoy tells us this in the film and it is later (later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]]. reboot]].) Kirk explicitly believes [Determinator [[Determinator there is no such thing] thing]] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"
12th Oct '17 11:38:11 PM Jhamin
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** In [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]], Kirk reprograms the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. He then photon-torpedoes the ships and "wins". Also worth noting is that here ''Spock'' designs the test every year to be unbeatable, with the point of the no-win situation being to know what it's like to face certain death, while Kirk (like in the aforementioned novels) explicitly believes there is no such thing as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"

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** In [[Film/StarTrek When asked how he handled it later in the reboot]], film, it is revealed that Kirk reprograms reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. He then photon-torpedoes the ships and "wins". Also worth noting is that here ''Spock'' designs the test every year to be unbeatable, with the point of the no-win situation being to know what it's like to face certain death, while Kirk (like McCoy tells us this in the aforementioned novels) film and it is later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]]. Kirk explicitly believes [Determinator there is no such thing thing] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"
7th Sep '17 12:01:20 PM RedScharlach
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'''Saavik:''' (''stiffly'') As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occured to me.\\

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'''Saavik:''' (''stiffly'') As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occured occurred to me.\\



* "The two .38s roared simultaneously". Literature/JamesBond concludes something like this in the first chapter of ''Literature/{{Moonraker}}'', which is basically a quick-drawing contest. He puts the other "guy" (a cardboard target) in hospital, but is "killed".

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* "The two .38s roared simultaneously". simultaneously." Literature/JamesBond concludes something like this in the first chapter of ''Literature/{{Moonraker}}'', which is basically a quick-drawing quick-draw contest. He puts the other "guy" (a cardboard target) in hospital, but is "killed".
30th Aug '17 4:07:32 PM HalcyonDayz
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* In ''[[Literature/TheActsOfCaine Blade of Tyshalle]]'', the College of Battle Magic has an advanced class that opens with the Lakefront simulation. In it, our student Actor is put into a VR simulation of Overworld, in the docks of the city of Ankhana, where he/she hears the sound of a woman being assaulted down a nearby alley by a single man. Those actors who confront the man will quickly find out that there are two others waiting on the low rooftops to jump some fool like you rushing to her aid. Even defeating all three won't do; the best student in the College, Kris Hansen, got that far only to be knifed by the woman, who is in on the charade. When Hari Michaelson, a Labour-caste near-dropout with terrible magick skills, enters the challenge, he becomes the first person in the history of the College to beat the simulation. Not bothering with spells, [[CombatPragmatist he gets the jump on the first man]], KOs the other two before they can recover from jumping into the alley, and [[SatisfiedStreetRat knows better than to trust the woman]], who gets her throat cut when she tries to knife him. He only fails because the test expected him to use magick, and the instructor hacked the simulation to bring the other players back to life and beat him senseless, something that was never before needed for the Lakefront sim. Regardless, as the instructor points out, the point of the test is to show whether the Actor-to-be can give the viewers an interesting death scene.

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* In ''[[Literature/TheActsOfCaine Blade of Tyshalle]]'', the College of Battle Magic has an advanced class that opens with the Lakefront simulation. In it, our student Actor is put into a VR simulation of Overworld, in the docks of the city of Ankhana, where he/she hears the sound of a woman being assaulted down a nearby alley by a single man. Those actors who confront the man will quickly find out that there are two others waiting on the low rooftops to jump some fool like you rushing to her aid. Even defeating all three won't do; the best student in the College, Kris Hansen, got that far only to be knifed by the woman, who is in on the charade. When Hari Michaelson, a Labour-caste near-dropout with terrible magick skills, enters the challenge, he becomes the first person in the history of the College to beat the simulation. Not bothering with spells, [[CombatPragmatist he gets the jump on the first man]], KOs [=KOs=] the other two before they can recover from jumping into the alley, and [[SatisfiedStreetRat knows better than to trust the woman]], who gets her throat cut when she tries to knife him. He only fails because the test expected him to use magick, and the instructor hacked the simulation to bring the other players back to life and beat him senseless, something that was never before needed for the Lakefront sim. Regardless, as the instructor points out, the point of the test is to show whether the Actor-to-be can give the viewers an interesting death scene.
8th Aug '17 2:56:09 AM infernape612
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* The episode [[spoiler:"Failsafe"]] of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' [[spoiler:is one of these that had GoneHorriblyWrong. No matter what, winning was completely impossible. no matter what they did, the situation would continue to get worse and worse until they failed. That said, the simulation ended up having to AssPull a second alien mothership to win, so they did pretty well. As for the GoneHorriblyWrong part? Well, M'gann accidentally made the entire team think it was real, not only plunging everyone into extreme trauma, but also nearly trapping everyone who "died" in a coma.]]

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* The episode [[spoiler:"Failsafe"]] of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' [[spoiler:is one of these that had GoneHorriblyWrong. No matter what, winning was completely impossible. no No matter what they did, the situation would continue to get worse and worse until they failed. That said, the simulation ended up having to AssPull a second alien mothership to win, so they did pretty well. As for the GoneHorriblyWrong part? Well, M'gann accidentally made the entire team think it was real, not only plunging everyone into extreme trauma, but also nearly trapping everyone who "died" in a coma.]]
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