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12th Oct '17 11:40:09 PM Jhamin
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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. (later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]].) Kirk explicitly believes [[Determinator there is no such thing]] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"

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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. (later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]].) Kirk explicitly believes [[Determinator there is no such thing]] thing as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"
12th Oct '17 11:39:28 PM Jhamin
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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. McCoy tells us this in the film and it is later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]]. Kirk explicitly believes [Determinator there is no such thing] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"

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** When asked how he handled it later in the film, it is revealed that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. McCoy tells us this in the film and it is later (later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]]. reboot]].) Kirk explicitly believes [Determinator [[Determinator there is no such thing] thing]] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"
12th Oct '17 11:38:11 PM Jhamin
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** In [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]], Kirk reprograms the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. He then photon-torpedoes the ships and "wins". Also worth noting is that here ''Spock'' designs the test every year to be unbeatable, with the point of the no-win situation being to know what it's like to face certain death, while Kirk (like in the aforementioned novels) explicitly believes there is no such thing as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"

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** In [[Film/StarTrek When asked how he handled it later in the reboot]], film, it is revealed that Kirk reprograms reprogrammed the simulation so that the Klingons have no shields. He then photon-torpedoes the ships and "wins". Also worth noting is that here ''Spock'' designs the test every year to be unbeatable, with the point of the no-win situation being to know what it's like to face certain death, while Kirk (like McCoy tells us this in the aforementioned novels) film and it is later shown in [[Film/StarTrek the reboot]]. Kirk explicitly believes [Determinator there is no such thing thing] as a no-win situation. As Pike says, "It depends on how you define 'winning', doesn't it?"
7th Sep '17 12:01:20 PM RedScharlach
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'''Saavik:''' (''stiffly'') As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occured to me.\\

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'''Saavik:''' (''stiffly'') As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occured occurred to me.\\



* "The two .38s roared simultaneously". Literature/JamesBond concludes something like this in the first chapter of ''Literature/{{Moonraker}}'', which is basically a quick-drawing contest. He puts the other "guy" (a cardboard target) in hospital, but is "killed".

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* "The two .38s roared simultaneously". simultaneously." Literature/JamesBond concludes something like this in the first chapter of ''Literature/{{Moonraker}}'', which is basically a quick-drawing quick-draw contest. He puts the other "guy" (a cardboard target) in hospital, but is "killed".
30th Aug '17 4:07:32 PM HalcyonDayz
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* In ''[[Literature/TheActsOfCaine Blade of Tyshalle]]'', the College of Battle Magic has an advanced class that opens with the Lakefront simulation. In it, our student Actor is put into a VR simulation of Overworld, in the docks of the city of Ankhana, where he/she hears the sound of a woman being assaulted down a nearby alley by a single man. Those actors who confront the man will quickly find out that there are two others waiting on the low rooftops to jump some fool like you rushing to her aid. Even defeating all three won't do; the best student in the College, Kris Hansen, got that far only to be knifed by the woman, who is in on the charade. When Hari Michaelson, a Labour-caste near-dropout with terrible magick skills, enters the challenge, he becomes the first person in the history of the College to beat the simulation. Not bothering with spells, [[CombatPragmatist he gets the jump on the first man]], KOs the other two before they can recover from jumping into the alley, and [[SatisfiedStreetRat knows better than to trust the woman]], who gets her throat cut when she tries to knife him. He only fails because the test expected him to use magick, and the instructor hacked the simulation to bring the other players back to life and beat him senseless, something that was never before needed for the Lakefront sim. Regardless, as the instructor points out, the point of the test is to show whether the Actor-to-be can give the viewers an interesting death scene.

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* In ''[[Literature/TheActsOfCaine Blade of Tyshalle]]'', the College of Battle Magic has an advanced class that opens with the Lakefront simulation. In it, our student Actor is put into a VR simulation of Overworld, in the docks of the city of Ankhana, where he/she hears the sound of a woman being assaulted down a nearby alley by a single man. Those actors who confront the man will quickly find out that there are two others waiting on the low rooftops to jump some fool like you rushing to her aid. Even defeating all three won't do; the best student in the College, Kris Hansen, got that far only to be knifed by the woman, who is in on the charade. When Hari Michaelson, a Labour-caste near-dropout with terrible magick skills, enters the challenge, he becomes the first person in the history of the College to beat the simulation. Not bothering with spells, [[CombatPragmatist he gets the jump on the first man]], KOs [=KOs=] the other two before they can recover from jumping into the alley, and [[SatisfiedStreetRat knows better than to trust the woman]], who gets her throat cut when she tries to knife him. He only fails because the test expected him to use magick, and the instructor hacked the simulation to bring the other players back to life and beat him senseless, something that was never before needed for the Lakefront sim. Regardless, as the instructor points out, the point of the test is to show whether the Actor-to-be can give the viewers an interesting death scene.
8th Aug '17 2:56:09 AM infernape612
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* The episode [[spoiler:"Failsafe"]] of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' [[spoiler:is one of these that had GoneHorriblyWrong. No matter what, winning was completely impossible. no matter what they did, the situation would continue to get worse and worse until they failed. That said, the simulation ended up having to AssPull a second alien mothership to win, so they did pretty well. As for the GoneHorriblyWrong part? Well, M'gann accidentally made the entire team think it was real, not only plunging everyone into extreme trauma, but also nearly trapping everyone who "died" in a coma.]]

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* The episode [[spoiler:"Failsafe"]] of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' [[spoiler:is one of these that had GoneHorriblyWrong. No matter what, winning was completely impossible. no No matter what they did, the situation would continue to get worse and worse until they failed. That said, the simulation ended up having to AssPull a second alien mothership to win, so they did pretty well. As for the GoneHorriblyWrong part? Well, M'gann accidentally made the entire team think it was real, not only plunging everyone into extreme trauma, but also nearly trapping everyone who "died" in a coma.]]
29th Jul '17 1:37:52 PM nombretomado
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* The infamous ''VideoGame/XMen'' for the NintendoEntertainmentSystem features the Danger Room as a practice level, which just spams an endless stream of enemies at you until you have practiced (read: gotten bored) and pick a different level. Being NintendoHard and rife with [[GameBreakingBug Game Breaking Bugs]], the rest of the game doesn't fare much better either.

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* The infamous ''VideoGame/XMen'' for the NintendoEntertainmentSystem UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem features the Danger Room as a practice level, which just spams an endless stream of enemies at you until you have practiced (read: gotten bored) and pick a different level. Being NintendoHard and rife with [[GameBreakingBug Game Breaking Bugs]], the rest of the game doesn't fare much better either.
4th Jul '17 6:44:43 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* JustForFun/TheTropelessTale. Ever gotten so fed up with {{cliche}}s that you want to experience a work with no tropes? It's not quite that simple.



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21st Jun '17 12:00:38 AM Tacitus
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** Most notably, Michael A. Stackpole's ''[[ComicBook/XWingSeries Star Wars: X-Wing]]'' opens with prospective Rogue Squadron pilots training by playing the ''Redemption'' scenario, which is so infamously difficult that it's earned the in-universe nickname of the "[[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_scenario Requiem scenario]]." Four X-Wings are tasked with defending the corvette ''Korolev'' as it transfers wounded to the medical frigate ''Redeptmion'', while an Imperial frigate pops in and out of the system launching waves of TIE Fighters and Bombers. The "by the book" strategy developed by pilots is for two X-Wings to engage the [=TIEs=] as they're launched while the other two stay behind to guard the corvette, otherwise the Imperial frigate joins the battle and make a terrible situation even worse. It's noted that "by the book" is not a particularly good strategy, as it leaves those actually fighting the [=TIEs=] outnumbered by a substantial margin, but since the Rebels are outnumbered and outgunned regardless it's simply the least bad of the available choices. Corran Horn only wins the mission by taking out the more dangerous TIE Bombers with his proton torpedoes before finishing off the enemy fighters, and even then he lucks out after barely "surviving" a head-on engagement that damaged the last remaining enemy fighter enough for a torpedo to catch up with it.

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** Most notably, Michael A. Stackpole's ''[[ComicBook/XWingSeries Star Wars: X-Wing]]'' X-Wing: Rogue Squadron]]'' opens with prospective Rogue Squadron pilots Rogues training by playing the ''Redemption'' scenario, which is so infamously difficult that it's earned the in-universe nickname of the "[[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Redemption_scenario Requiem scenario]]." Four X-Wings are tasked with defending the corvette ''Korolev'' as it transfers wounded to the medical frigate ''Redeptmion'', ''Redemption'', while an Imperial frigate pops in and out of the system launching waves of TIE Fighters and Bombers. The "by the book" strategy developed by pilots is for two X-Wings to engage the [=TIEs=] as they're launched while the other two stay behind to guard the corvette, otherwise the Imperial frigate joins the battle and make a terrible situation even worse. It's noted that "by the book" is not a particularly good strategy, as it leaves those actually fighting the [=TIEs=] outnumbered by a substantial margin, but since the Rebels are outnumbered and outgunned regardless it's simply the least bad of the available choices. Corran Horn only wins the mission by taking out the more dangerous TIE Bombers with his proton torpedoes before finishing off the enemy fighters, and even then he lucks out after barely "surviving" a head-on engagement that damaged the last remaining enemy fighter TIE Fighter enough for a torpedo to catch up with it.
10th Jun '17 1:16:28 PM nombretomado
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* The short story "The Op" in the WhateleyUniverse. The Grunts (the mutant version of [=JROTC=]) face an Franchise/{{Alien}}-like threat that has already wiped out a city. They're killed one by one in horrific fashion. The villain of the scenario is [[spoiler:Sara]] as we see just how dangerous [[spoiler:she]] really could be. In full trope mode, they get their asses chewed by Gunny Bardue once the scenario ends.

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* The short story "The Op" in the WhateleyUniverse.Literature/WhateleyUniverse. The Grunts (the mutant version of [=JROTC=]) face an Franchise/{{Alien}}-like threat that has already wiped out a city. They're killed one by one in horrific fashion. The villain of the scenario is [[spoiler:Sara]] as we see just how dangerous [[spoiler:she]] really could be. In full trope mode, they get their asses chewed by Gunny Bardue once the scenario ends.
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