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6th Apr '17 9:25:36 AM Fighteer
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6th Apr '17 9:24:27 AM Fighteer
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'''Tropes that are bad when imitated in real life are not automatically bad in fiction.''' This is an important distinction. Many tropes contain or imply cultural, social, or moral value judgments that simply don't work the same way in fiction as they do in real life. UncleTomfoolery may be racist in real life, and based on some very nasty stereotypes, but when seen in a work, it simply ''is''. It's not necessary to [[AndThatsTerrible tell everyone how awful it is]], either in the examples or in the trope description. An extreme version of this comes when somebody wants us to cut a trope because they think it's awful. See also Administrivia/PrescriptiveVsDescriptiveLanguage.

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'''Tropes that are bad when imitated in real life are not automatically bad in fiction.''' This is an important distinction. Many tropes contain or imply cultural, social, or moral value judgments that simply don't work the same way in fiction as they do in real life. UncleTomfoolery may be racist in real life, and based on some very nasty stereotypes, but when seen in a work, it simply ''is''. It's not necessary to [[AndThatsTerrible tell everyone how awful it is]], either in the examples or in the trope description. An extreme version of this comes when somebody wants us to cut a trope because they think it's awful. it describes something bad. See also Administrivia/PrescriptiveVsDescriptiveLanguage.
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5th Apr '17 1:20:37 PM Fighteer
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'''Tropes that are bad when imitated in real life are not automatically bad in fiction.''' This is an important distinction. Many tropes contain or imply cultural, social, or moral value judgments that simply don't work the same way in fiction as they do in real life. UncleTomfoolery may be racist in real life, and based on some very nasty stereotypes, but when seen in a work, it simply ''is''. It's not necessary to [[AndThatsTerrible tell everyone how awful it is]], either in the examples or in the trope description. An extreme version of this comes when somebody wants us to cut a trope because they think it's awful. See also Administrivia/DescriptiveVsPrescriptiveLanguage.

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'''Tropes that are bad when imitated in real life are not automatically bad in fiction.''' This is an important distinction. Many tropes contain or imply cultural, social, or moral value judgments that simply don't work the same way in fiction as they do in real life. UncleTomfoolery may be racist in real life, and based on some very nasty stereotypes, but when seen in a work, it simply ''is''. It's not necessary to [[AndThatsTerrible tell everyone how awful it is]], either in the examples or in the trope description. An extreme version of this comes when somebody wants us to cut a trope because they think it's awful. See also Administrivia/DescriptiveVsPrescriptiveLanguage.
Administrivia/PrescriptiveVsDescriptiveLanguage.
5th Apr '17 1:20:04 PM Fighteer
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'''Tropes that are bad when imitated in real life are not automatically bad in fiction.''' This is an important distinction. Many tropes contain or imply cultural, social, or moral value judgments that simply don't work the same way in fiction as they do in real life. UncleTomfoolery may be racist in real life, and based on some very nasty stereotypes, but when seen in a work, it simply ''is''. It's not necessary to [[AndThatsTerrible tell everyone how awful it is]], either in the examples or in the trope description. An extreme version of this comes when somebody wants us to cut a trope because they think it's awful. See also Administrivia/DescriptiveVsPrescriptiveLanguage.
12th Sep '15 1:10:41 AM SeptimusHeap
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-->--'''Neal Gabler''', ''Life the Movie: How Entertainment Conquered Reality''

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-->--'''Neal -->-- '''Neal Gabler''', ''Life the Movie: How Entertainment Conquered Reality''
11th Nov '12 9:16:39 AM Willbyr
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->"But it's what this author is doing this time that matters, as much as, if not more than, what he or she did last time, and that, certainly, matters far more than its kinships, its family likenesses with its mode, its genres, its formal kind."
-->--'''Valentine Cunningham''', Oxford
1st Sep '12 3:38:56 PM lu127
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TropesAreNotBad covers the bad half of this, but there are good reasons to remember TropesAreNotGood, too:

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TropesAreNotBad Tropes Are Not Bad covers the bad half of this, but there are good reasons to remember TropesAreNotGood, Tropes Are Not Good, too:
16th Aug '12 4:13:00 AM Willbyr
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'''Almost every trope has a silver lining.''' The much-reviled AllJustADream was, let's not forget, used in [[{{Newhart}} one of the most highly regarded series finales]] in the history of television, as well as one of the [[TheCabinetOfDrCaligari best twist endings]] in any movie. While DarkerAndEdgier revisionism isn't always a good thing, it's been used in [[TheDarkKnight the biggest blockbuster of 2008]]. Even if a trope ''didn't'' have a silver lining, every trope could still be used honorably by way of subversion, parody, or appropriately employed and treated in-universe examples. Remember, while this site is fairly snarky, most of the snark is directed towards shows that ''don't'' use tropes well.

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'''Almost every trope has a silver lining.''' The much-reviled AllJustADream was, let's not forget, used in [[{{Newhart}} [[Series/{{Newhart}} one of the most highly regarded series finales]] in the history of television, as well as one of the [[TheCabinetOfDrCaligari [[Film/TheCabinetOfDrCaligari best twist endings]] in any movie. While DarkerAndEdgier revisionism isn't always a good thing, it's been used in [[TheDarkKnight [[Film/TheDarkKnight the biggest blockbuster of 2008]]. Even if a trope ''didn't'' have a silver lining, every trope could still be used honorably by way of subversion, parody, or appropriately employed and treated in-universe examples. Remember, while this site is fairly snarky, most of the snark is directed towards shows that ''don't'' use tropes well.
30th Jul '12 6:21:58 PM Willbyr
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'''There is nothing new under the sun.''' Including that very statement. And the [[TheBible book]] from which it comes. Completely ignoring the possibility that one's favorite show just might ''not'' be hewn from the very essence of the universe by Thor himself and placed in the periodic table under '''Or''' for "Originalium" doesn't change the fact that it ''wasn't''. And acknowledging that it isn't should not lessen its appeal, either.

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'''There is nothing new under the sun.''' Including that very statement. And the [[TheBible [[Literature/TheBible book]] from which it comes. Completely ignoring the possibility that one's favorite show just might ''not'' be hewn from the very essence of the universe by Thor himself and placed in the periodic table under '''Or''' for "Originalium" doesn't change the fact that it ''wasn't''. And acknowledging that it isn't should not lessen its appeal, either.
21st Jul '12 6:57:15 AM Willbyr
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There is one thing that you must keep in mind to retain your sanity here, and that is that including a trope in a particular work does not make it "''[[RuinedFOREVER ruined]]''." Not even ''[[BadWritingIndex those]]'' tropes.

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There is one thing that you must keep in mind to retain your sanity here, and that is that including a trope in a particular work does not make it "''[[RuinedFOREVER "''[[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER ruined]]''." Not even ''[[BadWritingIndex those]]'' tropes.
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