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Main Tropes Are Tools Discussion
I don't mean to launch an Edit War, but the Action quote, although long, fits the theme perfectly.
So... Bad Writing isn't bad?
It seems that every adjustment that Evilest Tim makes to the page subtly alters it meaning negatively. I wish he would cease.
Thought about adding another line, something about how subversions/deconstructions aren't necessarily evidence good writing; which heading do you think this would fall under, Tropes Are Not Bad or Tropes Are Not Good?
I cannot see it anywhere on this site, and maybe it is, but it cannot be stressed enough that a lot of writers just write from the heart and don't do what they do deliberately. As a writer ( not professional ) myself, it's disheartening to read this website and see it list everything I ever thought was a good idea....not that I thought it was original in the first place, but it was original to me when I thought it up.
Listing them all out like this, and having this page ( implying that artists and writers use tropes consciously ) somewhat makes it look like most stories were written using trope books, and that's just not true.
This article needs a big "in my opinion" at the top of it.
Tropes ARE BAD - if i see too many in in the trailer even I'm not going to watch it. If there are more than 2 in a show i don't return.
Tropes are writers being lazy, and whilst one dude may wish to sing their praises it shouldn't be presented as a fact.
I'm just wondering, why would Action Girl be thought of as bad? Since a lot of people seem to dislike Damsel In Distress (causing the creation of Damsel Scrappy), it seems kind of weird.
Does this include Unfortunate Implications?
This page should not be referencing stuff like Magnificent Bastard or Moment Of Awesome. Those are subjective. We don't consider subjective stuff tropes anymore, and Audience Reactions are definitely not tools. They're how an audience perceives and reacts to a work.
What happened to the Pratchett quote? Was it not good enough to move to the quotes section when taken off the main page?
Yes, I understand the aversion to the word 'cliché', but that ignores the fact that at the time Terry wrote that line 'trope' was not exactly an everyday word. Strictly speaking, it still isn't. One man's 'trope' is another man's 'cliché'.
Suggestion: mention something about how using "Tropes Are Not Bad" is a common, now obsolete Pothole that a lot of Justifying Edits like to use to mitigate the sour taste of stereotypically-negative tropes (like Executive Meddling).