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22nd Feb '17 6:12:58 PM WillyFourEyes
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** ''VideoGame/SuikodenI'': Emperor Barbosa's apparent lapse into psychotic madness is actually a desperate gambit on his part to redeem his new wife, the insane Wendy, who reminds him of his first wife, who'd died tragically. He ultimately pisses away his legacy, his friends, his kingdom, and his life trying to help the woman he lovedů who didn't want his help.
*** Most of Barbosa's underlings count as this (with the notable exceptions of Yuber and Neclord). All his generals, including the protagonist's father, are fighting for Barbosa out of loyalty and honor, not because they don't think he's crazy.
** ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'': All the major villains except [[AxeCrazy Luca Blight]] and Yuber (again). Jowy, the main antagonist and the protagonist's lifelong friend, is trying to do the exact same thing the protagonist is doing (trying to stop the war and unify the land for the sake of everyone), but he's doing it from the opposite side. Leon Silverburg, his genius strategist, is trying to end things as quickly as possible for the same reason, but the protagonist's side's competence ends up dragging everything out.

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** ''VideoGame/SuikodenI'': Emperor Barbosa's Barbarossa's apparent lapse into psychotic madness is actually a desperate gambit on his part to redeem his new wife, the insane Wendy, Windy, who reminds him of his first wife, who'd died tragically. He ultimately pisses away his legacy, his friends, his kingdom, and his life trying to help the woman he lovedů who didn't want his help.
*** Most of Barbosa's Barbarossa's underlings count as this (with the notable exceptions of Yuber [[BlackKnight Yuber]] and Neclord). [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Neclord]]). All his generals, including the protagonist's father, are fighting for Barbosa Barbarossa out of loyalty and honor, not because they don't think he's crazy.
** ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'': All the major villains except [[AxeCrazy [[AxCrazy Luca Blight]] and Yuber (again). Jowy, the main antagonist and the protagonist's lifelong friend, is trying to do the exact same thing the protagonist is doing (trying to stop the war and unify the land for the sake of everyone), but he's doing it from the opposite side. Leon Silverburg, his [[TheStrategist genius strategist, strategist]], is trying to end things as quickly as possible for the same reason, but the protagonist's side's competence ends up dragging everything out.
17th Feb '17 4:17:32 AM Stranrep
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* Conrad Curze was plagued by dark visions of the future... which all were true. He grew on crapsack planet called Nostramo, which was so bad that Gotham City was a paradise to it. Driven by sense of justice, he butchered his way to the top through criminals, using fear and destruction as his tools. He slowly became a monster, destroyed Nostramo after it became a hellhole since he left, and joined his lot with Horus. After he realised what he has become, he let an Imperial assassin to kill him.

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* ** Conrad Curze was plagued by dark visions of the future... which all were true. He grew on crapsack planet called Nostramo, which was so bad that Gotham City was a paradise to it. Driven by sense of justice, he butchered his way to the top through criminals, using fear and destruction as his tools. He slowly became a monster, destroyed Nostramo after it became a hellhole since he left, and joined his lot with Horus. After he realised what he has become, he let an Imperial assassin to kill him.
17th Feb '17 4:15:27 AM Stranrep
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** Horus was the most favored of the Primarchs until the Chaos Gods tricked him into becoming their champion as he lay dying from treachery. The war he wages turns the Imperium into a Dystopian nightmare of cosmic proportions.

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** Horus was the most favored of the Primarchs until the Chaos Gods tricked him into becoming their champion as he lay dying from treachery. The war he wages turns the Imperium into a Dystopian nightmare of cosmic proportions.proportions, and it was exactly the future he wanted to avert.



** Fulgrim was slowly corrupted by a daemon residing in a sword, who took over his body after making Fulgrim and his Legion fall into depraved hedonism. Rather than deal with his mistake, he embraced Slaanesh so he will be given unlimited pleasure that will numb his soul.
** Magnus the Red's carelessness with warp magic got his legion marked for destruction. Unwilling to let them die, Magnus struck a DealWithTheDevil to allow his legion asylum in the Warp. The price was eternal servitude to Tzeentch and the endless mutations that took a horrible rite to counter.
** Angron was turned into a raging berserker in his childhood by the implantation of neural augmetics, that would cause him extreme pain and rage until he killed something. When he finally lead a slave revolt to go down in battle with the people he considered his own, the Emperor chose this moment to come in and teleport Angron out, denying him his chance to finally make the pain stop.

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** Fulgrim was slowly corrupted by a Slaaneshi daemon (about which he knew nothing, as the Emperor didn't warn his ''sons'' of Chaos enough) residing in a sword, who took over his body after making Fulgrim and his Legion fall into depraved hedonism. hedonism. Rather than deal with his mistake, he embraced Slaanesh so he will be given unlimited pleasure that will numb his soul.
** Magnus the Red's carelessness with warp magic got his legion marked for destruction.destruction, after he used his powers to warn the Emperor about Horus's treachery, which destroy Emperor's Webway project and unleashed horrible tide of daemons into it. Unwilling to let them die, Magnus struck a DealWithTheDevil to allow his legion asylum in the Warp. The price was eternal servitude to Tzeentch and the endless mutations that took a horrible rite to counter.
* Conrad Curze was plagued by dark visions of the future... which all were true. He grew on crapsack planet called Nostramo, which was so bad that Gotham City was a paradise to it. Driven by sense of justice, he butchered his way to the top through criminals, using fear and destruction as his tools. He slowly became a monster, destroyed Nostramo after it became a hellhole since he left, and joined his lot with Horus. After he realised what he has become, he let an Imperial assassin to kill him.
** Angron was turned into a raging berserker in his childhood by the implantation of neural augmetics, that would cause him extreme pain and rage until he killed something. When he finally lead a slave revolt to go down in battle with the people he considered his own, the Emperor chose this moment to come in and teleport Angron out, denying him his chance to finally make the pain stop. No wonder he was one of the first primarchs to rebels against his "father".
11th Feb '17 8:41:52 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** From ''Trials and Tribulations,'' there's Godot. [[spoiler:His plan to kill Misty Fey [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot could have been entirely avoided]] had he just gone to Phoenix for help. But he hated both Phoenix and himself for failing to protect a woman in their lives. Godot's desire for {{Revenge}} nearly got Maya killed, and required Godot to kill Misty Fey to get what he wanted. Godot even admits his faults when Phoenix exposes his crimes.]]

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** From ''Trials and Tribulations,'' there's Godot. [[spoiler:His plan to kill Misty Fey [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot could have been entirely avoided]] avoided had he just gone to Phoenix for help. But he hated both Phoenix and himself for failing to protect a woman in their lives. Godot's desire for {{Revenge}} nearly got Maya killed, and required Godot to kill Misty Fey to get what he wanted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot Godot even admits his faults when Phoenix exposes his crimes.]]]]]]
8th Feb '17 6:06:54 PM comicwriter
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** As of ''Comicbook/{{DC Rebirth}}'', she's back to being his frozen wife.
4th Feb '17 6:27:58 PM MummyGaGa
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* Every murderer, with the notable exception of [[spoiler: the BigBad, Junko Enoshima]] from the Franchise/DanganRonpa games. They all kill because of the horrifying situation they've been put into.

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* Every murderer, with the notable exception of [[spoiler: the BigBad, [[HopeCrusher Junko Enoshima]] Enoshima]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Tsumugi Shirogane]], and [[HateSink Korekiyo Shinguji]]]] from the Franchise/DanganRonpa games. They all kill because of the horrifying situation they've been put into.



*** [[spoiler: Kirumi Tojo: After Ryoma Hoshi killed her mafia master, Kirumi ended up being falsely placed blame for that. Because of that, her life ended up going to hell and she sought revenge at Ryoma for what she did to her mafia master as well as what he did to her life.]]
*** [[spoiler: Korekiyo Shinguji: A very bizarre example. He may ended up topping Celeste for the most unsympathetic murder by killing Angie and Tenko because he wanted to continue his [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual relationship with his deceased sister]]. However, given TheReveal in the end, it is very likely that he had a sister but it was perfectly normal and healthy relationship and the BrotherSisterIncest was just a fabrication of his character.]]
*** [[spoiler: Gonta Gokuhara: After Miu attempted to kill Kokichi, the Ultimate Supreme Leader ended up placing a "computer bug" into Gonta causing him to [[AccidentalMurder accidentally kill]] Miu.]]
*** [[spoiler: Kaito Momota: As an attempt to save Maki's life from being executed for poisoning Kokichi, both Kokichi and Kaito have willingly agreed for Kaito to kill Kokichi.]]
*** [[spoiler: Tsumugi Shirogane: She was brainwashed into becoming the mastermind of the killing game. While the brainwashing wasn't nearly as tragic as the brainwashing for Kokichi that was listed below due to a lack of knowledge of her personality before the killing game, she still is qualified as a TragicVillain.]]
*** While he wasn't exactly one of the killers in the game, [[spoiler: Kokichi Oma counts as one too. Before the killing game, he was pretty much a NiceGuy who wanted to make people happy and laugh. His reason for joining the killing game was to give money to charity unlike the rest of the cast who [[AttentionWhore just wanted fame and fortune]]. When he was actually made it to the killing game, the mastermind made him a very much BrainwashedAndCrazy psychopath just for the sake of "good television". Just thinking what he was during the killing game to what he was prior to the killing game thanks to the brainwashing is kinda very sad to think about.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Kirumi Tojo: After Ryoma Hoshi killed Tojo: She is a "civil servant" (read: prime minister) fighting against a great calamity, which she uses to justify her mafia master, Kirumi ended up being falsely placed blame for that. Because reason to be let off the guilty verdict. She practically exploits this trope and sways the others' opinion so much that despite Kaito and Ouma calling her out on her TheNeedsoftheMany utilitarianism, several of the students are still volunteering to be executed in her stead. Furthering that, many students encouraged her life ended up going to hell and she sought revenge at Ryoma for what she did to as [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere run away from her mafia master as well as what he did to execution]] knowing, suggesting they could fully understand her life.feelings over the matter.]]
*** [[spoiler: Korekiyo Shinguji: A very bizarre example. Gonta Gokuhara: He may ended up topping Celeste only killed Miu only happened due to his misguided attempt to "save" everyone after learning about the state of the ouside world, something Kokichi used for his own reasons. Because of the most unsympathetic murder by killing Angie bug, he is unable to recall anything happening, and Tenko because he's horrified when he wanted to continue his [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual relationship with his deceased sister]]. However, given TheReveal in the end, it is very likely that he had a sister but it was perfectly normal and healthy relationship and the BrotherSisterIncest was just a fabrication of his character.finds out.]]
*** [[spoiler: Gonta Gokuhara: After Miu attempted to kill Kokichi, the Ultimate Supreme Leader ended up placing a "computer bug" into Gonta causing him to [[AccidentalMurder accidentally kill]] Miu.]]
*** [[spoiler: Kaito Momota: As an attempt to save Maki's life Maki from being executed for poisoning Kokichi, both Kokichi him and Kaito have willingly agreed for Kaito the latter to kill Kokichi.]]
*** [[spoiler: Tsumugi Shirogane: She was brainwashed into becoming
the mastermind of the killing game. While the brainwashing wasn't nearly as tragic as the brainwashing for Kokichi that was listed below due to a lack of knowledge of her personality before the killing game, she still is qualified as a TragicVillain.]]
*** While he wasn't exactly one of the killers in the game, [[spoiler: Kokichi Oma counts as one too. Before the killing game, he was pretty much a NiceGuy who wanted to make people happy and laugh. His reason for joining the killing game was to give money to charity unlike the rest of the cast who [[AttentionWhore just wanted fame and fortune]]. When he was actually made it to the killing game, the mastermind made him a very much BrainwashedAndCrazy psychopath just for the sake of "good television". Just thinking what he was during the killing game to what he was prior to the killing game thanks to the brainwashing is kinda very sad to think about.
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3rd Feb '17 1:21:40 PM infernape612
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** Johnny Klebitz from "VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIVTheLostAndDamned", was a man who met his big brother's friend, the horrible Billy Grey at a young age, who turned out to be a bad role model for Johnny. Billy got him into crime, and later introduced him to other Lost MC Members. Johnny became apart of The Lost MC, and though he actually wanted out after the years, he stayed because of his loyalty to his "brothers". Literally everything he does in the game is out of loyalty to the people he cares about. What makes is worse was, that the people he cared about turned out to be evil, selfish traitors, with only a few friends who stood by him at the end.
** Tommy Vercetti from "VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity". He became a mobster as a way to get money, but was still a sane man. when he got caught, he was locked up in prison for ''15 years''. Those years have turned him into a coldblooded psychopath who does anything for money.

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** Johnny Klebitz from "VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIVTheLostAndDamned", ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIVTheLostAndDamned'', was a man who met his big brother's friend, the horrible Billy Grey at a young age, who turned out to be a bad role model for Johnny. Billy got him into crime, and later introduced him to other Lost MC Members. Johnny became apart of The Lost MC, and though he actually wanted out after the years, he stayed because of his loyalty to his "brothers". Literally everything he does in the game is out of loyalty to the people he cares about. What makes is worse was, that the people he cared about turned out to be evil, selfish traitors, with only a few friends who stood by him at the end.
** Tommy Vercetti from "VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity".''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity''. He became a mobster as a way to get money, but was still a sane man. when he got caught, he was locked up in prison for ''15 years''. Those years have turned him into a coldblooded psychopath who does anything for money.



* The Transcendent One from VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment. All he wants is to live and preferably to never again meet the main hero, whose very presence reminds him of the times when [[spoiler:he was a part of the hero's soul rather than an individual sentient being]], and he cannot stand it. Unfortunately, the hero's quest to regain his memory and mortality means that confrontation is imminent, and to prevent it he's prepared to murder everyone who could possibly direct the hero to him.

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* The Transcendent One from VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment.''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment''. All he wants is to live and preferably to never again meet the main hero, whose very presence reminds him of the times when [[spoiler:he was a part of the hero's soul rather than an individual sentient being]], and he cannot stand it. Unfortunately, the hero's quest to regain his memory and mortality means that confrontation is imminent, and to prevent it he's prepared to murder everyone who could possibly direct the hero to him.
29th Jan '17 5:11:25 AM Nyame
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Zeref. Life was not fair to him ''at all''. [[spoiler:One of the JerkassGods, Ankhseram, {{curse}}d him simply because he was researching a way to bring his dead little brother back to life. A curse of contradictions, as he long as he values life, everything around him dies; he can regain control if he stops valuing life, but because of this LackOfEmpathy, he'll probably end up killing people anyway. The curse also makes him a massive MoodSwinger, and he constantly contradicts himself -- pointing this out will cause him a mental breakdown. He can't even find relief in death, as the curse him makes him immortal so he can suffer for eternity. For this alone, he was labeled as the most evil wizard in history and ostracized by humanity, when a bit of conservation made it blatantly clear that he wasn't evil at all. All of this alone would be enough for a StartOfDarkness for any villain -- but Zeref didn't break until he met Mavis. She was the first person in centuries to ever show him kindness and see the good, but troubled soul he really was. When she too was cursed by Ankhseram, she proposed EternalLove, and her empathy was enough for him to fall in love with her -- but their first kiss ''kills'' her because, despite both of them being immortal, the curse they both have is ultimately to ensure that they can ''never'' be happy. Denied the chance to be with the only person who ever truly understood him, the only person who ever brought him a shred of happiness in his hellish existence, pushed Zeref beyond the breaking point, and led to his descent into evil]].

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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Zeref. Life was not fair to him ''at all''. [[spoiler:One of the JerkassGods, Ankhseram, {{curse}}d him simply because he was researching a way to bring his dead little brother back to life. A curse of contradictions, as he long as he values life, everything around him dies; he can regain control if he stops valuing life, but because of this LackOfEmpathy, he'll probably end up killing people anyway. The curse also makes him a massive MoodSwinger, and he constantly contradicts himself -- pointing this out will cause him a mental breakdown. He can't even find relief in death, as the curse him makes him immortal so he can suffer for eternity. For this alone, he was labeled as the most evil wizard in history and ostracized by humanity, when a bit of conservation made it blatantly clear that he wasn't evil at all. All of this alone would be enough for a StartOfDarkness for any villain -- but Zeref didn't break until he met Mavis. She was the first person in centuries to ever show him kindness and see the good, but troubled soul he really was. When she too was cursed by Ankhseram, she proposed EternalLove, and her empathy was enough for him to fall in love with her -- but their first kiss ''kills'' her because, despite both of them being immortal, the curse they both have is ultimately to ensure that they can ''never'' be happy. Denied the chance to be with the only person who ever truly understood him, the only person who ever brought him a shred of happiness in his hellish existence, pushed Zeref beyond the breaking point, and led to his descent into evil]].


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* ''FanFic/{{Fade}}'' manages to turn ''Light Yagami'' into this. In this story, he was ''blackmailed'' into becoming Kira by Ryuk to help find a rogue Death Note, and even after he embraced the role he goes through great pains to ''not'' become like the original Kira -- he kills only those are on death row or have committed crimes deserving of it, takes absolutely no pleasure in killing, and refuses to involve innocents, let alone ''kill them''. He even hates manipulating people, despite being so good at it. And then L comes into the picture. [[spoiler:L frames him, holds him captive for ''weeks'', and even psychologically tortures him by faking Kiyomi's death to get Light to confess. However, since L was the only contact throughout all that time, Light develops StockholmSyndrome and becomes completely dependent on him. Which is a problem, as while L does care for him, L is also the holder of the rogue Death Note and has become a monster far worse than canon!Light at his most heinous. Light, however, is too attached to him to see it]]. At that point, it's not hard to see Light as not a villain but instead another victim, [[spoiler:which is part of why Beyond is so intent on saving him]].
24th Jan '17 3:37:33 AM flodoris
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** Conversely, one of the most tragic is [[spoiler:the BigBad, Tobi, aka Obito. Tobirama's revelation of how the Uchiha Clan's deep sense love is also the source of their "curse" and subsequent insanity changes the perspective of Obito's supposedly disproportionate reaction to Rin's death. The mental anguish truly was worse for him, and to see the girl he loved killed by his best friend was something his mind couldn't handle. He clings to the AssimilationPlot of Madara not only because he honestly wants to make a better world, but because it can give him back the person he loved the most: Rin]].
*** This is shown [[spoiler: while his soul was being devoured by the bijuu, which was represented by his genin team photo being torn apart and being reconstructed when he regained his sanity. Even after all he has done and said, it seems his friend, his crush and and his sensei are his reason to exist.]]

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** Conversely, one of the most tragic is [[spoiler:the BigBad, Tobi, aka Obito. Tobirama's revelation of how the Uchiha Clan's deep sense love is also the source of their "curse" and subsequent insanity changes the perspective of Obito's supposedly disproportionate reaction to Rin's death. The mental anguish truly was worse for him, and to see the girl he loved killed by his best friend was something his mind couldn't handle. He clings to In his disillusioned new views, all he cares about is a world where the AssimilationPlot of Madara not only because he honestly wants to make a better world, but because it can give him back the person people which he loved is alive and his former ideals of heroism are the most: Rin]].
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*** This is shown [[spoiler: while his soul was being devoured by the bijuu, which was represented by his genin team photo being torn apart and being reconstructed when he regained his sanity. Even after all he has done and said, it seems his friend, his crush and and his sensei this are his reason to exist.]]



** Even Madara Uchiha has shades of this. While no doubt one of, if not THE most villainous character in the franchise, it was a result of a life filled with tragedy. He was born in the era of Warring Clans, one of the most violent periods of time in shinobi history. By the time he was ten, he had already lost ''four brothers'', leaving only Izuna, and the constant loss and desperation caused a dream of peace, a dream he shared with Hashirama Senju, the future First Hokage and Madara's best friend. However, despite that dream, what Madara cherished most was Izuna, his only remaining brother -- enough to willingly turn his back on his best friend and his dream for his little brother's sake. Hashirama believes that all of Madara's actions are a result of him lashing out in his grief over his brother's death.

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** Even Madara Uchiha has shades of this. While no doubt one of, if not THE most villainous character in the franchise, it was a result of a life filled with tragedy. He was born in the era of Warring Clans, one of the most violent periods of time in shinobi history. By the time he was ten, he had already lost ''four brothers'', leaving only Izuna, and the constant loss and desperation caused a dream of peace, a dream he shared with Hashirama Senju, the future First Hokage and Madara's best friend. However, despite that dream, what Madara cherished most was Izuna, his only remaining brother -- enough to willingly turn his back on his best friend and his dream for his little brother's sake. Hashirama believes that all of Madara's actions are a result of him lashing out in his grief over his brother's death. [[spoiler: And the fact that he was a pawn used to revive his distant ancestor is just icing on the cake.]]
16th Jan '17 7:36:19 AM ACW
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*''Manga/DogSoldier'': Many of the enemies faced (though not all) are either this or WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
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