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2nd Apr '16 3:12:52 PM AtticusOmundson
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2nd Apr '16 3:12:14 PM AtticusOmundson
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->'''Sheriff of Nottingham:''' Would you prefer pain or death?
->'''First Prisoner:''' Death.
->'''Sheriff of Nottingham:''' Torture him. ''(To second prisoner)'' What about you? Pain or death?
->'''Second Prisoner:''' Uh, pain.
->'''Sheriff of Nottingham:''' Torture him. You see? It makes no difference.
-->-- ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfTheieves''
2nd Apr '16 7:06:52 AM Grudgeal
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* In ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'', torture (or the threat thereof) tends to work on Contractors because, as TheTinMan, they have no emotional stake in their objectives and will spill the beans unless there's a rational reason not to. Of course, that means that a sufficiently good argument or bargain not involving the threat of force is just as effective, but Hei, who has a very un-Contractor personality at times, prefers torture.

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* In ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'', torture (or the threat thereof) tends to work on Contractors because, as TheTinMan, [[TinMan being emotionless]], they have no emotional stake in their objectives and will spill the beans unless there's a rational reason not to. Of course, that means that a sufficiently good argument or bargain not involving the threat of force is just as effective, but Hei, who has a very un-Contractor personality at times, prefers torture.
2nd Apr '16 7:05:45 AM Grudgeal
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* From ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'':

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* From ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'':In ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'', torture (or the threat thereof) tends to work on Contractors because, as TheTinMan, they have no emotional stake in their objectives and will spill the beans unless there's a rational reason not to. Of course, that means that a sufficiently good argument or bargain not involving the threat of force is just as effective, but Hei, who has a very un-Contractor personality at times, prefers torture.
26th Mar '16 6:35:33 AM ading
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* Inverted in ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The Party tortures its victims with the specific intent of getting them to give ''false'' information. They don't stop until the victim is 100% willing to say, do, and ''think'' anything the Party wants them to without question.
12th Mar '16 9:19:50 AM StarSword
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* {{Downplayed}} once in ''Series/BurnNotice''. Michael tortures absolutely accurate but borderline useless information out of an assassin sent after him during the first season by poisoning his food with peanuts that the assassin was fatally allergic to. As the assassin painfully chokes to death, Michael dangles his medicine just out of reach until the assassin eagerly reveals everything he knows to Michael, which isn't much (he was hired by old enemies who want Mike dead now that the CIA is no longer protecting him). This is the only time in the series that physical torture even slightly works, even when performed by protagonists: Michael has notably gotten better information on occasion by letting ''himself'' be tortured.

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* {{Downplayed}} once in ''Series/BurnNotice''. Michael tortures absolutely accurate but borderline useless information out of an assassin sent after him during the first season by poisoning his food with peanuts that the assassin was fatally allergic to. As the assassin painfully chokes to death, Michael dangles his medicine just out of reach until the assassin eagerly reveals everything he knows to Michael, which isn't much (he was hired by old enemies who want Mike dead now that the CIA is no longer protecting him).him, which has little bearing on the MythArc and is something Mike already expected). This is the only time in the series that physical torture even slightly works, even when performed by protagonists: Michael has notably gotten better information on occasion by letting ''himself'' be tortured.
12th Mar '16 9:18:43 AM StarSword
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* PandoraHearts subverts this in the first five minutes. Though the torture is mundane... the victim promptly gives quick information. Quick, and WRONG information!

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* PandoraHearts ''Anime/PandoraHearts'' subverts this in the first five minutes. Though the torture is mundane... the victim promptly gives quick information. [[TortureIsIneffective Quick, and WRONG information!information!]]



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* Subverted very well in ''Series/BurnNotice'', where the main character has had to extract information several times, but always uses alternative methods (usually messing with the guy's head). As a plus, he usually narrates the scene and gives helpful tips on how to trick information out of people.
** Several times said character also explains why torture ''doesn't'' work. These range from "they'll say anything to make it stop" to my personal favorite:
--->The fact is, torture is for sadists and thugs. It's like getting groceries with a flamethrower. It doesn't work and it makes a mess.
** Notably, Michael once gets better information by ''letting himself be tortured'' than his torturer does.
** Played straight. Weston himself tortured absolutely accurate spot-on information out of an assassin sent after him during the first season by poisoning his food with peanuts that the assassin was fatally allergic to. As the assassin painfully chokes to death, Michael dangles his medicine just out of reach until the assassin eagerly reveals everything he knows to Michael.

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* Subverted very well {{Downplayed}} once in ''Series/BurnNotice'', where the main character has had to extract information several times, but always uses alternative methods (usually messing with the guy's head). As a plus, he usually narrates the scene and gives helpful tips on how to trick information out of people.
** Several times said character also explains why torture ''doesn't'' work. These range from "they'll say anything to make it stop" to my personal favorite:
--->The fact is, torture is for sadists and thugs. It's like getting groceries with a flamethrower. It doesn't work and it makes a mess.
** Notably,
''Series/BurnNotice''. Michael once gets better information by ''letting himself be tortured'' than his torturer does.
** Played straight. Weston himself tortured
tortures absolutely accurate spot-on but borderline useless information out of an assassin sent after him during the first season by poisoning his food with peanuts that the assassin was fatally allergic to. As the assassin painfully chokes to death, Michael dangles his medicine just out of reach until the assassin eagerly reveals everything he knows to Michael.Michael, which isn't much (he was hired by old enemies who want Mike dead now that the CIA is no longer protecting him). This is the only time in the series that physical torture even slightly works, even when performed by protagonists: Michael has notably gotten better information on occasion by letting ''himself'' be tortured.



* In a ''TekWar'' episode, the police use a modified lie detector as a torture device. It works on the first criminal but the mastermind gave him unreliable information. The second person it was used on didn't give out information because she feared for her life, and entered a panic attack before needing medical treatment.



* In the ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' episode "War Stories" Wash and Mal are tortured by Niska. Mal continues arguing with Wash over Zoe throughout in order to keep both of them from breaking. Subverted, though, since Niska wasn't really looking for information, just punishment.



* Played straight in ''Series/{{Castle}}'': When his daughter Alexis is abducted, Castle and Beckett track down one of the kidnappers. Beckett leaves Castle alone with the seriously wounded man, who refuses to talk even after Castle's DeclarationOfProtection. Castle takes a deep breath, at which point we cut to Beckett's face as she hears the kidnapper's cries of agony from the other room. In the next scene, they are back at the precinct, having all the information they need.

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* Played straight straight, once, in ''Series/{{Castle}}'': When his daughter Alexis is abducted, Castle and Beckett track down one of the kidnappers. Beckett leaves Castle alone with the seriously wounded man, who refuses to talk even after Castle's DeclarationOfProtection. Castle takes a deep breath, at which point we cut to Beckett's face as she hears the kidnapper's cries of agony from the other room. In the next scene, they are back at the precinct, having all the information they need. This in contrast to torturing Ryan and Esposito being completely useless in an earlier episode. So in the ''Castle''-verse, Torture Always Works when a protagonist does it?



* Both played straight and averted in ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons The Book of Vile Darkness]]''. Torture makes it easier for torturers to Intimidate their victims, but they also take penalties to Sense Motive checks as most believe wholeheartedly in the reliability of knowledge gained from torture.

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* Both played straight and averted ZigZagged in ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons The ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''' ''The Book of Vile Darkness]]''.Darkness''. Torture makes it easier for torturers to Intimidate their victims, but they also take penalties to Sense Motive checks as most believe wholeheartedly in the reliability of knowledge gained from torture.



* {{Warhammer}} has an aversion: one Witch Hunter manages to get the information he needs from Slaaneshi heretics by giving them a potion that ''numbs'' all sensory input. To those who worship a god(dess) based on constant physical sensation, it's a complete MindRape.

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* {{Warhammer}} ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' has an aversion: inversion: one Witch Hunter manages to get the information he needs from Slaaneshi heretics by giving them a potion that ''numbs'' all sensory input. To those who worship a god(dess) based on constant physical sensation, it's a complete MindRape.
MindRape.



** In ''Assassin's Creed: Lineage'' prequel video, Giovanni Auditore (Ezio's father) captures one of Rodrigo Borgia's {{Mook}}s and delivers him to Lorenzo de' Medici. Uberto Alberti tortures the captive on a rack, who reveals the Templar plot to assassinate Duke Galeazzo Maria Sforza.



* It's somewhat of a motif that sooner or later your character is going to get caught and have to undergo ElectricTorture for information in the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' franchise. To date, none of the {{Badass}} protagonists have given up information in any of the three games. [[spoiler:Even Sokolov, who has a family, refused to talk]]. You'd think Ocelot would have learned the old "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." adage, but alas.
** Volgin in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 3|SnakeEater}}'' is undoubtedly the worst interrogator ever. His only method seems to be beating the prisoner to death in under 15 seconds while telling ''them'' all of ''his'' information. Ocelot actually applauds Snake for surviving just one session, [[spoiler:and the Philosopher's Legacy Volgin was trying to protect winds up in the hands of America thanks to him telling everyone in the room, ''all of whom were spies for another country'', exactly where it was]].
* One of the big features of the latest ''[[VideoGame/ThePunisher Punisher]]'' game was the ability to torture any random mooks, either through "standard" means like pressing your gun against their head, or threatening to put them into furnaces or put a freaking ''drill through their head''. Only some of them would actually give you useful information, though (although they all gave you information of some kind).
** There's also two mooks per level who, if you torture, might say something that causes Frank to have a flashback. He'll even comment after killing/sparing them.

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* It's somewhat of a motif that sooner or later your character is going to get caught and have to undergo ElectricTorture for information in the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' franchise. To date, none of the {{Badass}} protagonists have given up information in any of the three games. [[spoiler:Even Sokolov, who has a family, refused to talk]]. You'd think Ocelot would have learned the old "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." adage, but alas.
** Volgin in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 3|SnakeEater}}'' is undoubtedly the worst interrogator ever. His only method seems to be beating the prisoner to death in under 15 seconds while telling ''them'' all of ''his'' information. Ocelot actually applauds Snake for surviving just one session, [[spoiler:and the Philosopher's Legacy Volgin was trying to protect winds up in the hands of America thanks to him telling everyone in the room, ''all of whom were spies for another country'', exactly where it was]].
* One of the big features of the latest ''[[VideoGame/ThePunisher Punisher]]'' game was the ability to torture any random mooks, either through "standard" means like pressing your gun against their head, or threatening to put them into furnaces or put a freaking ''drill through their head''. Only some of them would actually give you useful information, though (although they all gave you information of some kind).
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kind). There's also two mooks per level who, if you torture, might say something that causes Frank to have a flashback. He'll even comment after killing/sparing them.



* Death Knights in ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' have to torture ''lots'' of people to death in one of their starting quests before one of them finally talks... but it's still an example, because as soon as anyone says anything it's the truth. Then it's subverted, because you ''don't believe them'' and [[CutsceneIncompetence the victim dies from the wounds before it can finish explaining]].

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Death Knights in ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' have to torture ''lots'' of people to death in one of their starting quests before one of them finally talks... but it's still an example, because as soon as anyone says anything it's the truth. Then it's subverted, because you ''don't believe them'' and [[CutsceneIncompetence the victim dies from the wounds before it can finish explaining]].



* Played with in ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings II''. You mechanically cannot torture prisoners for playable information, but torture events can give you a [[TheDreaded fearsome reputation represented by the "Impaler" trait]], which buffs your Intrigue and Learning stats and your troops' effectiveness in battle.



* Parodied [[http://nonadventures.com/2012/11/17/war-on-error/ here]] in ''Webcomic/TheNonAdventuresOfWonderella''. The torturee essentially points out the flaws in a {{Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique}}, even [[LampshadeHanging referencing]] the show ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]''.



* ''Webcomic/LastRes0rt'' subverts it with Daisy Archanis and her leaked confession that [[spoiler: she's actually the Galaxy Girl Scout Arael who set off a huge feud]], which was apparently extracted using torture... and ''everyone knows it'', including Daisy's supporters, arguing that because she was tortured for the information, it MUST be bogus.
** Veled admits later that she didn't need to torture Daisy for the information -- just the ''audio confession'' thereof, since Veled can extract whatever somebody knows just by touching them (and thus confirm the truth of Daisy's statements). In other words, Daisy had to be tortured into compliance, not into supplying new information.
* Called out in "WebComic/{{Fans}}!" where Rumy yells at her berserk subordinate that "Contrary to what you see on '24,' pain is not a Lasso of Truth."

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* ''Webcomic/LastRes0rt'' subverts it with Daisy Archanis and her leaked confession that [[spoiler: she's actually the Galaxy Girl Scout Arael who set off a huge feud]], which was apparently extracted using torture... and ''everyone knows it'', including Daisy's supporters, arguing that because she was tortured for the information, it MUST be bogus.
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bogus. Veled admits later that she didn't need to torture Daisy for the information -- just the ''audio confession'' thereof, since Veled can extract whatever somebody knows just by touching them (and thus confirm the truth of Daisy's statements). In other words, Daisy had to be tortured into compliance, not into supplying new information.
* Called out in "WebComic/{{Fans}}!" where Rumy yells at her berserk subordinate that "Contrary to what you see on '24,' pain is not a Lasso of Truth."
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* In the ''WebVideo/AssassinsCreedLineage'' prequel video, Giovanni Auditore (Ezio's father) captures one of Rodrigo Borgia's {{Mook}}s and delivers him to Lorenzo de' Medici. Uberto Alberti tortures the captive on a rack, who reveals the Templar plot to assassinate Duke Galeazzo Maria Sforza.



27th Feb '16 11:11:05 AM nombretomado
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* ''Film/TheAvengers'' has ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8167908/1/ Invincible]]'' where Steve was captured and HYDRA tortures him, not to get information, but to break the Avengers and SHIELD's spirit by physically and emotionally shattering their leader. They nearly succeeded.

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* ''Film/TheAvengers'' ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8167908/1/ Invincible]]'' where Steve was captured and HYDRA tortures him, not to get information, but to break the Avengers and SHIELD's spirit by physically and emotionally shattering their leader. They nearly succeeded.
17th Jan '16 11:50:55 AM nombretomado
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* Psychological torture is used in ''LawAndOrderSVU'' by forcing a suspect into a small closet (he had an intense fear of the dark due to childhood abuse) to make him reveal the location of a woman trapped in a locker with a limited supply of oxygen.

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* Psychological torture is used in ''LawAndOrderSVU'' ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'' by forcing a suspect into a small closet (he had an intense fear of the dark due to childhood abuse) to make him reveal the location of a woman trapped in a locker with a limited supply of oxygen.
6th Jan '16 5:01:11 PM Discar
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* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'': Played with. When Jessica and Simmons capture one of Kilgrave's bodyguards, Simmons wants to pry his kneecap off with a knife to get him to talk, but Jessica points out that he's mind-controlled, so he won't say anything no matter what they do. The bodyguard then says that 1: He's not mind-controlled, and 2: He'll tell them whatever they want, so could they please put the knife away?
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