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28th Apr '18 2:44:58 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Some scriptures of Literature/TheBible point out that thinking of a sin is just as bad as doing it in God's eyes. For example, a literal reading of the commandment "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" would indicate that the proscription is not merely against the ''act'' of adultery, but the very thought or feeling of envy. Indeed, the New Testament states that a man who lusts after a woman "has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

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* Some scriptures of Literature/TheBible point out that thinking of a sin is just as bad as doing it in God's eyes. For example, a literal reading of the commandment "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" would indicate that the proscription is not merely against the ''act'' of adultery, but the very thought or feeling of envy. Indeed, the New Testament Book of Matthew in Literature/TheFourGospels states that a man who lusts after a woman "has already "hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
20th Apr '18 4:16:40 AM Morgenthaler
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26th Mar '18 9:35:07 AM Rhodes7
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* ''Literature/ChristianNation'': The US Constitution is supplanted by the Fifty Blessings, religiously-inspired laws, many of which are vague or unenforceable, dealing with such vagaries as coveting. The laws against 'sexual deviancy' are all too clear, and there comes a presumption that any single person above a certain age must be gay.




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* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' sees the titular state forbid the use of any technology that wasn't in general use by the late 1930s, including television, computers, and cars capable of making more than purely local trips. The good people of Victoria attempt to write this into law, to the horror of the heroes who imagine the police state needed to enforce it. Instead, they settle on making it a cultural more, much harder to change, and encouraging people to ostracize, ridicule and abuse their technology-using neighbors.
13th Jan '18 12:05:39 PM VicGeorge2011
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* From the Music/{{Prince}} song "Electric Chair":
-->''If a man is considered guilty''
-->''For what goes on in his mind''
-->''Then give me the electric chair''
-->''For all my future crimes-Oh!''
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17th Nov '17 2:33:26 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* For several decades, in most culturally European civilizations murder has been punished more severely if it was premeditated. They have usually codify Categories/Types/'Degrees' of Murder, which carry different sentences, and premeditation affects the sentencing if the defendant is found guilty.

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* For several decades, in most culturally many European civilizations and Anglophone jurisdictions, murder has been punished more severely if it was premeditated. They have usually codify Categories/Types/'Degrees' of Murder, Such jurisdictions often classify murder under different categories (like the UsefulNotes/ThreeDegreesOfMurder in UsefulNotes/AmericanCourts), which carry different sentences, and premeditation affects the sentencing if the defendant is found guilty.
6th Aug '17 11:34:30 AM Mr.Bubbles
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* The Khmer Rouge, among their many crimes against humanity and DisproportionateRetribution, made certain thoughts punishable by death in their campaign to reset Cambodia to "year zero." This included thinking about the past, holding any religious beliefs, showing too much individuality [[note]] like eating by yourself [[/note]], or showing any attachment to western ideals.
11th Jul '17 6:57:18 PM KillerClowns
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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''[[WhoWatchesTheWatchment whistleblowing]]'' is illegal--after all, only a [[AcceptablePoliticalTargets communist/fascist]]/[[AcceptableReligiousTargets atheist/religious fanatic]] etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.

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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''[[WhoWatchesTheWatchment ''[[WhoWatchesTheWatchmen whistleblowing]]'' is illegal--after all, only a [[AcceptablePoliticalTargets communist/fascist]]/[[AcceptableReligiousTargets atheist/religious fanatic]] etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.
21st Jun '17 11:58:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->''"Whether he wrote DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, or whether he refrained from writing it, made no difference. Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The [[SecretPolice Thought Police]] would get him just the same. He had committed -- would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper -- the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."''

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->''"Whether he wrote DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, or whether he refrained from writing it, made no difference. Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The [[SecretPolice Thought Police]] Police would get him just the same. He had committed -- would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper -- the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."''



It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''[[WhoWatchesTheWatchment whistleblowing]]'' is illegal--after all, only a [[AcceptablePoliticalTargets communist/fascist/]][[AcceptableReligiousTargets atheist/religious fanatic]] etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.

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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''[[WhoWatchesTheWatchment whistleblowing]]'' is illegal--after all, only a [[AcceptablePoliticalTargets communist/fascist/]][[AcceptableReligiousTargets communist/fascist]]/[[AcceptableReligiousTargets atheist/religious fanatic]] etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.
21st Jun '17 11:56:14 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''whistleblowing'' is illegal--after all, only a communist/fascist/atheist/religious fanatic etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.

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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''whistleblowing'' ''[[WhoWatchesTheWatchment whistleblowing]]'' is illegal--after all, only a communist/fascist/atheist/religious fanatic [[AcceptablePoliticalTargets communist/fascist/]][[AcceptableReligiousTargets atheist/religious fanatic]] etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.



* Just about any society or organization that advances a moral or ethical point of view is going to attempt to regulate people's thoughts, if only sometimes very subtly. Religions are old pros at this, introducing such concepts as "guilt" and "original sin" to inculcate in their believers that [[HumansAreFlawed they are fundamentally flawed]] and must guard against the temptation to even ''entertain'' disturbing thoughts. Propaganda and peer pressure are more common techniques in the secular world.

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* Just about any ''any'' society or organization that advances a moral or ethical point of view is going to attempt to regulate people's thoughts, the way people think, if only sometimes very subtly. Religions are old pros at this, introducing such concepts such as "guilt" and "original sin" to inculcate in their believers that [[HumansAreFlawed they are fundamentally flawed]] and must guard against the temptation to even ''entertain'' disturbing thoughts. Propaganda and Political correctness, peer pressure pressure, propaganda, public education and social engineering are more some of the common techniques ways this is carried out in the secular world.



** Even more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement controversially]] the same argument has been made against hate crime legislation, since people are not just punished for committing a crime but for what they were thinking while doing it. For instance, assault is already a crime, but assaulting someone because they were ''black'' is a hate crime. So the specific motive is the difference.

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** Even more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement controversially]] the same argument has been made against [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime hate crime crime]] legislation, since people are not just punished for committing a crime but for what they were thinking while doing it. For instance, assault is already a crime, but assaulting someone because they were ''black'' is a hate crime. So the specific motive is the difference.
30th May '17 8:02:35 AM justanid
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If a reason is ever given at all, [[BigBrotherIsWatching apart from the obvious]], Thoughtcrime can be [[HalfTruth explained]] as "intrusive thoughts," and their '[[HappinessIsMandatory repression]]' leads to "[[BlatantLies a happier society]]."

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If a reason is ever given at all, [[BigBrotherIsWatching apart from the obvious]], Thoughtcrime can be [[HalfTruth explained]] as "intrusive thoughts," and their '[[HappinessIsMandatory repression]]' [[HappinessIsMandatory repression]] leads to "[[BlatantLies a happier society]]."
society]]".



Compare TheHeretic for a religious equivalent. Related to TheEvilsOfFreeWill. In more nuanced stories, some of these guys sincerely believe they're using BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood. For others, it's just business as usual. As a means of propaganda, if the methods combating Thoughtcrime are known to the public, the government (or their corporate benefactors) might attempt to paint it in a lighter vein by calling them EnhancedInterrogationTechniques. PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad often occurs when a free, democratic society is the one that tries to codify such rules.

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Overlaps with CulturePolice. Compare TheHeretic with TheHeretic, for a religious equivalent. Related to TheEvilsOfFreeWill. In more nuanced stories, some of these guys sincerely believe they're using BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood. For others, it's just business as usual. As a means of propaganda, if the methods combating Thoughtcrime are known to the public, the government (or their corporate benefactors) might attempt to paint it in a lighter vein by calling them EnhancedInterrogationTechniques. PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad often occurs when a free, democratic society is the one that tries to codify such rules.rules.
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