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12th Jul '16 2:01:35 PM GoblinCipher
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* A mundane variant comes from the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "The Happiness Patrol", where [[HappinessIsMandatory enforced cheerfulness was the law]] on one planet.

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* A mundane variant comes from the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "The Happiness Patrol", where [[HappinessIsMandatory enforced cheerfulness was the law]] on one planet.the planet Terra Alpha.
19th Mar '16 3:56:54 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Murder is often punished more harshly if the crime was premeditated.
5th Mar '16 7:06:43 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ComicBook/NemesisTheWarlock'': Under Torquemada's rule over Termight, it is illegal to even think of opposing him, and his Terminators scan the planet day and night to look for thought offenders. Purity's father was sent to the vaporization vats for committing thoughtcrime in his ''sleep''.
31st Jan '16 12:57:27 PM Specialist290
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* Some of the most notable examples of thoughtcrime are the concepts of ''sin'' and ''[[TheHeretic heresy]]'' in some religions. Couple it with ''guilt and fear of eternal punishment for even thinking about it'' and you have a very effective method for auto-enforcement of policies.

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* Some of the most notable examples of thoughtcrime are the concepts of ''sin'' and ''[[TheHeretic heresy]]'' in some religions. Couple it with ''guilt and fear of eternal punishment for even thinking about it'' and ''an omniscient Judge who knows and sees all'' and you have a very effective method for auto-enforcement of policies.
3rd Jan '16 7:13:15 PM Fireblood
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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''whistleblowing'' is illegal--after all, only a heretic/theocrat/atheist/religious fanatic/sinner/holier-than-thou-nut/sympathizer-with-group-X/hatemonger/communist/capitalist/traitor/jingoist/Nazi/Democrat/Republican/Libertarian/Anarchist/Long List-maker would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.

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It is nearly impossible to remove Thoughtcrime policies once enacted. The definition tends to expand until ''whistleblowing'' is illegal--after all, only a heretic/theocrat/atheist/religious fanatic/sinner/holier-than-thou-nut/sympathizer-with-group-X/hatemonger/communist/capitalist/traitor/jingoist/Nazi/Democrat/Republican/Libertarian/Anarchist/Long List-maker communist/fascist/atheist/religious fanatic etc. would be deceptive enough to claim that our glorious and beneficent regime could possibly make errors, suffer from wishful thinking, or be corrupt.



* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' had an episode where they came across a people who were extremely telepathic, so sensitive that any extreme emotions would incite them to act out on those feelings; having violent thoughts was a crime in and of itself. Torres was put under trial for having a brief violent thought when someone bumped into her, and Tuvok's investigation into the planet's culture found a sort of "violent thoughts" BlackMarket. Of course it examined the issue that when something was so taboo, it meant their own people were unable to handle it when confronted with the situation.

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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' had an episode where they came across a people who were extremely telepathic, so sensitive that any extreme emotions would incite them to act out on those feelings; having violent thoughts was a crime in and of itself. Torres was put under on trial for having a brief violent thought when someone bumped into her, and Tuvok's investigation into the planet's culture found a sort of "violent thoughts" BlackMarket. Of course it examined the issue that when something was so taboo, it meant their own people were unable to handle it when confronted with the situation.



** Even more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement controversially]] the same argument has been made against hate crime legislation, since people are not just punished for committing a crime but for what they were thinking while doing it.

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** Even more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement controversially]] the same argument has been made against hate crime legislation, since people are not just punished for committing a crime but for what they were thinking while doing it. For instance, assault is already a crime, but assaulting someone because they were ''black'' is a hate crime. So the specific motive is the difference.



* Conspiracy to commit a crime. In some jurisdictions, a person can be punished and incarcerated for the act of plotting an illegal act -- even if they never carry it out! (They must have performed at least one overt act "in furtherance of the conspiracy" but that can be virtually anything.) Conspiracy Law is where thoughtcrime starts to bump into the (on its face) perfectly reasonable goal of police forces and the government to stop crimes like mass murder and theft before they are committed and cause harm to people (by allowing cops to intervene earlier instead of having to wait until the crime is actually carried out). The tension is prevalent throughout judicial opinions on the subject.

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* Conspiracy to commit a crime. In some jurisdictions, a person can be punished and incarcerated for the act of plotting an illegal act -- even if they never carry it out! (They must have performed at least one overt act "in furtherance of the conspiracy" but that can be virtually anything.anything-for instance legally buying a gun to commit a murder, but not actually using it.) Conspiracy Law law is where thoughtcrime thought crime starts to bump into the (on its face) perfectly reasonable goal of police forces and the government to stop crimes like mass murder and theft before they are committed and cause harm to people (by allowing cops to intervene earlier instead of having to wait until the crime is actually carried out). The tension is prevalent throughout judicial opinions on the subject.
17th Sep '15 1:58:19 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Some scriptures of Literature/TheBible point out that thinking of a sin is just as bad as doing it in God's eyes. For example, a literal reading of the commandment "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" would indicate that the proscription is not merely against the ''act'' of adultery, but the very thought or feeling of envy. Indeed, the New Testament states that a man who lusts after a woman "has already committed adultery with her in his heart".

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* Some scriptures of Literature/TheBible point out that thinking of a sin is just as bad as doing it in God's eyes. For example, a literal reading of the commandment "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" would indicate that the proscription is not merely against the ''act'' of adultery, but the very thought or feeling of envy. Indeed, the New Testament states that a man who lusts after a woman "has already committed adultery with her in his heart".
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13th Sep '15 2:28:42 PM eroock
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->''Whether he wrote DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, or whether he refrained from writing it, made no difference. Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The [[SecretPolice Thought Police]] would get him just the same. He had committed -- would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper -- the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you.''

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->''Whether ->''"Whether he wrote DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, or whether he refrained from writing it, made no difference. Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The [[SecretPolice Thought Police]] would get him just the same. He had committed -- would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper -- the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you.''"''
7th Sep '15 1:09:21 PM nombretomado
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* At least one street sign seen in NewYorkCity and elsewhere in the 1980s read "Don't even ''think'' about parking here!"

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* At least one street sign seen in NewYorkCity UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and elsewhere in the 1980s read "Don't even ''think'' about parking here!"
20th Jul '15 9:43:56 PM MechWarrior
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Compare {{Heresy}} for a religious equivalent. Related to TheEvilsOfFreeWill. In more nuanced stories, some of these guys sincerely believe they're using BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood. For others, it's just business as usual. As a means of propaganda, if the methods combating Thoughtcrime are known to the public, the government (or their corporate benefactors) might attempt to paint it in a lighter vein by calling them EnhancedInterrogationTechniques. PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad often occurs when a free, democratic society is the one that tries to codify such rules.

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Compare {{Heresy}} TheHeretic for a religious equivalent. Related to TheEvilsOfFreeWill. In more nuanced stories, some of these guys sincerely believe they're using BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood. For others, it's just business as usual. As a means of propaganda, if the methods combating Thoughtcrime are known to the public, the government (or their corporate benefactors) might attempt to paint it in a lighter vein by calling them EnhancedInterrogationTechniques. PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad often occurs when a free, democratic society is the one that tries to codify such rules.



* Some of the most notable examples of thoughtcrime are the concepts of ''sin'' and ''{{heresy}}'' in some religions. Couple it with ''guilt and fear of eternal punishment for even thinking about it'' and you have a very effective method for auto-enforcement of policies.

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* Some of the most notable examples of thoughtcrime are the concepts of ''sin'' and ''{{heresy}}'' ''[[TheHeretic heresy]]'' in some religions. Couple it with ''guilt and fear of eternal punishment for even thinking about it'' and you have a very effective method for auto-enforcement of policies.
13th Jul '15 8:32:51 PM Llygodenfawr
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* In ''Series/BabylonFive'' the [[SecretPolice Nightwatch]] organization was set up to report not just actions, but potentially seditious attitudes (as could be "inferred" from casual remarks and such) among Earth Alliance personnel and citizens. [[spoiler: As Earth Alliance [[SlidingScaleOfLibertarianismAndAuthoritarianism slid further into despotism]], it is mentioned that [[MutantDraftBoard PsiCorps]] was routinely used by the Clark dictatorship to [[MindRape telepathically scan]] for supposedly seditious (anti-regime) thoughts.]]

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* In ''Series/BabylonFive'' the [[SecretPolice Nightwatch]] organization was set up to report not just actions, but potentially seditious attitudes (as could be "inferred" from casual remarks and such) among Earth Alliance personnel and citizens. [[spoiler: As Earth Alliance [[SlidingScaleOfLibertarianismAndAuthoritarianism slid further into despotism]], it is mentioned that [[MutantDraftBoard PsiCorps]] was routinely used by the Clark dictatorship to [[MindRape telepathically scan]] scan for supposedly seditious (anti-regime) thoughts.]]
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