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22nd May '16 8:39:51 AM MAI742
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...it can sometimes be ''bad'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''law-abiding'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in [[TheGuildedAge the USA's 'Gilded Age']] to stave off [[RedScare 'The Red Hydra']]).

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...it can sometimes be ''bad'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''law-abiding'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in [[TheGuildedAge [[TheGildedAge the USA's 'Gilded Age']] to stave off [[RedScare 'The Red Hydra']]).
22nd May '16 8:38:48 AM MAI742
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...it can sometimes be ''bad'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''law-abiding'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in the USA's 'Gilded Age' to stave off 'The Red Hydra').

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...it can sometimes be ''bad'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''law-abiding'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in [[TheGuildedAge the USA's 'Gilded Age' Age']] to stave off [[RedScare 'The Red Hydra').Hydra']]).
22nd May '16 8:37:02 AM MAI742
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...it can be ''bad idea'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''legal'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in the USA's 'Gilded Age' to stave off 'The Red Hydra').

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...it can sometimes be ''bad idea'' ''bad'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''legal'' ''law-abiding'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in the USA's 'Gilded Age' to stave off 'The Red Hydra').



This trope is incredibly common in {{Cyberpunk}} works.

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This trope is incredibly common practically ubiquitous in {{Cyberpunk}} works.
22nd May '16 8:30:09 AM MAI742
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To a certain extent this is TruthInTelevision. While pride, greed, and amorality are InherentInTheSystem this does not ''always'' translate into sadism, violence, and crime. It is not, for instance, illegal to lie about the contents of a food product in the USA (as this constitutes 'freedom of speech').

Moreover when a company is not:

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To a certain extent this is TruthInTelevision. While pride, greed, TruthInTelevision as greed and amorality are InherentInTheSystem InherentInTheSystem: the purpose of companies is to generate profits, and the purpose of management is to maximise them. ''However'', this does not ''always'' translate into sadism, violence, and crime. It This is not, for instance, illegal to lie about the contents of a food product in the USA (as this constitutes 'freedom of speech').

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...it ''can'' be bad for business for a company to engage in criminal activity or even ''legal'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in the USA's 'Gilded Age').

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...it ''can'' can be bad for business ''bad idea'' for a company to engage in criminal activity - or even too much ''legal'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in the USA's 'Gilded Age').Age' to stave off 'The Red Hydra').
22nd May '16 8:17:51 AM MAI742
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In this setting, ''all'' businessmen are some variation of the CorruptCorporateExecutive. To them, swindling customers, abusing employees, or even resorting to violence to eliminate threats to their wealth and power simply comes with the job. Either that, or it's a nice fringe benefit. Don't expect to find any {{Honest Corporate Executive}}s. Even if you think you've found one, they'll turn out to be a VillainWithGoodPublicity.

This trope ''can'' be TruthInTelevision, but just as likely not. While ''some'' businessmen are evil, deceptive, and depraved, it is extreme hyperbole to consider ''all'' of them to be so. Indeed, it is quite reasonable to argue that [[EvilWillFail evil conduct is (in the long run) bad for a business]]; would ''you'' want to do business with a baby-eating puppy-kicking psychopath?

At times, this trope overlaps with YouFailEconomicsForever.

You may note that millionaire entrepreneurs do not always fall into this trope. These people are often depicted as independently wealthy [[SelfMadeMan Self Made Men]] who have wits and spirit enough to carve out their empires, and if not, they at least are in charge and take responsibility of them, tied to them in a way a king may be to his realm. Corporate executives, on the other hand, climb in an already established hierarchy, the leadership (thus also responsibility for any wrongdoing) of which is decentralised into some shadowy group, like "the board of directors"; going back to our feudal analogy, they would have more in common with [[EvilChancellor court intriguers]].

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In this setting, ''all'' businessmen are some variation of the CorruptCorporateExecutive. To them, CorruptCorporateExecutive: not merely greedy and amoral, but actively ''evil''. For them the swindling of customers, abusing abuse of employees, or even resorting to and use of violence to eliminate threats to their wealth and power problems simply comes with the job. Either that, job - or it's a are nice fringe benefit. Don't expect to find any {{Honest Corporate Executive}}s. Even if you think you've found one, they'll turn out to be benefits. In this setting the HonestCorporateExecutive is merely a VillainWithGoodPublicity.

This trope To a certain extent this is TruthInTelevision. While pride, greed, and amorality are InherentInTheSystem this does not ''always'' translate into sadism, violence, and crime. It is not, for instance, illegal to lie about the contents of a food product in the USA (as this constitutes 'freedom of speech').

Moreover when a company is not:
* The sole company operating in that field (i.e. it does not possesses a 'monopoly')
* Able to forge effective working relationships with the other companies operating in its field (to form 'cartels' which possess an 'oligopoly')
* Able to influence or blackmail the government, press, or organised crime

...it
''can'' be TruthInTelevision, but just as likely not. While ''some'' businessmen are evil, deceptive, and depraved, it is extreme hyperbole to consider ''all'' of them to be so. Indeed, it is quite reasonable to argue that [[EvilWillFail evil conduct is (in the long run) bad for a business]]; would ''you'' want to do business with for a baby-eating company to engage in criminal activity or even ''legal'' chicanery and ruthlessness. Indeed, on several occasions perfectly legal exploitation and brutality has resulted in government intervention (as in the USA's 'Gilded Age').

For
puppy-kicking psychopath?

At times,
baby-eating sociopaths who openly flout the law in an otherwise perfectly nice and functional society, this trope overlaps can overlap with YouFailEconomicsForever.

You may note that millionaire Wealthy entrepreneurs are the only type of 'executive' who do not always fall into this trope. These people are often depicted as independently wealthy [[SelfMadeMan Self Made Men]] who have wits and spirit enough to carve out their empires, and if not, they at least are in charge and take responsibility of them, tied to them in a way a king may be to his realm. Corporate executives, on the other hand, climb in an already established hierarchy, the leadership (thus also responsibility for any wrongdoing) of which is decentralised into some shadowy group, like "the board of directors"; going back to our feudal analogy, they would have more in common with [[EvilChancellor court intriguers]].
8th Dec '15 6:48:19 PM Luigifan
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In this setting, ''all'' businessmen are some variation of the CorruptCorporateExecutive. To them, swindling customers, abusing employees or even resorting to violence to eliminate threats to their wealth and power simply comes with the job. Either that or it's a nice fringe benefit. Don't expect to find any {{Honest Corporate Executive}}s. Even if you think you've found one, they'll turn out to be a VillainWithGoodPublicity.

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In this setting, ''all'' businessmen are some variation of the CorruptCorporateExecutive. To them, swindling customers, abusing employees employees, or even resorting to violence to eliminate threats to their wealth and power simply comes with the job. Either that that, or it's a nice fringe benefit. Don't expect to find any {{Honest Corporate Executive}}s. Even if you think you've found one, they'll turn out to be a VillainWithGoodPublicity.



* Over at [[MarvelComics Marvel]], ComicBook/NormanOsborn, aka [[SuperpoweredEvilSide the Green Goblin]] is the poster child for this trope, along with many of IronMan's enemies, like Justin Hammer and Obadiah Stane.

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* Over at [[MarvelComics Marvel]], ComicBook/NormanOsborn, aka [[SuperpoweredEvilSide the Green Goblin]] Goblin]], is the poster child for this trope, along with many of IronMan's enemies, like Justin Hammer and Obadiah Stane.
26th Nov '15 9:59:39 AM FF32
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* J.K. Robertson in the movie ''Film/TimeChasers'' was not at all deterred from proceeding on the Time Transport project, even after its inventor returned from a second visit to the future to reveal that the future had changed to one of anarchy as a result of the Time Transport being used as a weapon. In fact, he has the inventor and his love interest arrested, and later pursues them into the past, killing the love interest and murdering his own reluctant companion.
* Without exception, every single person on the corporate side of UBS in ''Film/{{Network}}'' is an amoral, money-grubbing monster. The film ends with [[spoiler:the main character being shot by a hitman hired by UBS, the voiceover stating that he was killed [[ScrewedByTheNetwork due to his show's failing ratings]]]].
* ''Film/TronLegacy'' had an infamous scene with the Encom boardroom, where they're boasting about their latest and greatest operating system. The only subversion in the room points out that they're charging schools and non-profits a fortune - what are the customers getting in return? The idiot CEO shrugs and says "it has a 12 on the box..." This is meant to demonstrate that the company has fallen from its innovative times under Walter Gibbs and Flynn Sr. while cementing sympathy for Sam's [[PlayfulHacker annual]] [[LikeFatherLikeSon practical joke]].
* Pretty much every executive at Clamp Enterprises in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'' is a complete amoral a-hole except, ironically, the C.E.O. Daniel Clamp who's aloof but otherwise a nice guy. He does do one really douchy thing near the end, but it's to Forster [[KickTheSonOfABitch who's a jerk anyways.]]



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* J.K. Robertson in the movie ''Film/TimeChasers'' was not at all deterred from proceeding on the Time Transport project, even after its inventor returned from a second visit to the future to reveal that the future had changed to one of anarchy as a result of the Time Transport being used as a weapon. In fact, he has the inventor and his love interest arrested, and later pursues them into the past, killing the love interest and murdering his own reluctant companion.
* Without exception, every single person on the corporate side of UBS in ''Film/{{Network}}'' is an amoral, money-grubbing monster. The film ends with [[spoiler:the main character being shot by a hitman hired by UBS, the voiceover stating that he was killed [[ScrewedByTheNetwork due to his show's failing ratings]]]].
* ''Film/TronLegacy'' had an infamous scene with the Encom boardroom, where they're boasting about their latest and greatest operating system. The only subversion in the room points out that they're charging schools and non-profits a fortune - what are the customers getting in return? The idiot CEO shrugs and says "it has a 12 on the box..." This is meant to demonstrate that the company has fallen from its innovative times under Walter Gibbs and Flynn Sr. while cementing sympathy for Sam's [[PlayfulHacker annual]] [[LikeFatherLikeSon practical joke]].
* Pretty much every executive at Clamp Enterprises in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'' is a complete amoral a-hole except, ironically, the C.E.O. Daniel Clamp who's aloof but otherwise a nice guy. He does do one really douchy thing near the end, but it's to Forster [[KickTheSonOfABitch who's a jerk anyways.]]
3rd Nov '15 1:31:30 PM Morgenthaler
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*** Oliver Queen now has an investment firm, but it's really only used to justify the sheer number of arrows he goes through (and the trick arrows, when the writer likes them).
*** Oliver Queen ''upheld'' this trope at least once, when he remade his fortune through "The Gun Run Stock Market Crash", wherein he profited from short-selling on several major defense contractors after first artificially boosting their share price via timed purchases and then undermining consumer confidence in them through carefully placed rumors. Apparently the writer was unaware that this kind of investment strategy is called 'pump and dump', and is hilariously illegal.



** ...Except for one chapter of ''Comicbook/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck'', where he JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope because he got sick of being the aversion ("Why should ''I'' have to be the only honest man in this cockeyed world? ... Why can't I take shortcuts like everyone else? ... Who died and left ''me'' in charge of morals?!") Considering that it got him a buttload of guilt and a zombie pursuer for several decades, he quickly learned to accept it.
** Although it depends heavily on the quality of the writer, as some minor stories have him commit acts that would, under close (or not so close) scrutiny be considered theft, extortion and fraud. (Hint: Trying to claim a heritage for yourself when legally binding documents state that it belongs to your nephew is ''not legal''.) Usually a sign that the writer didn't do their research.
*** CharacterizationMarchesOn. Scrooge started out as a much more antagonistic character, and many of his early appearances presented him as completely ruthless and downright eager to screw his nephew over at times. He also used to be a foil to Junior Woodchucks, often carelessly polluting the environment and once actively trying to drive a species of bald eagle to extinction to justify an industrial operation in their nesting area.



** The most benevolent big business seen in ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' was Doublemeat Palace, and they were concealing something (albeit something relatively innocuous) from their customers.
** Also on ''Buffy'', the demise of the reptile demon Mokita led to bankruptcies and suicides among a few corporate executives as his magic failed them.

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** The most benevolent big business seen in ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' was Doublemeat Palace, and they were concealing something (albeit something relatively innocuous) from their customers.
** Also on ''Buffy'', the
customers. The demise of the reptile demon Mokita led to bankruptcies and suicides among a few corporate executives as his magic failed them.



** And then there's ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' and the Blue Sun Corporation...
*** Interesting in that, due to the notoriously short run of ''Firefly'', we were given minimal info on Blue Sun, other than a small tidbit on the Commentary, and the fact that River didn't like them. But everyone ''knows'' [[ForegoneConclusion they weren't going to be nice people...]]

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** And then there's ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' and the Blue Sun Corporation...
***
Corporation... Interesting in that, due to the notoriously short run of ''Firefly'', we were given minimal info on Blue Sun, other than a small tidbit on the Commentary, and the fact that River didn't like them. But everyone ''knows'' [[ForegoneConclusion they weren't going to be nice people...]]



** There have been notable subversions - the president in "The Top Hat Job" seems to be a decent guy, and an executive is their ''client'' in "The Lonely Hearts Job".
*** In fact, Nate believes this trope whole-heartedly, and has problems wrapping his head around the subversions.

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** There have been notable subversions - the president in "The Top Hat Job" seems to be a decent guy, and an executive is their ''client'' in "The Lonely Hearts Job".
*** In fact, Nate believes this trope whole-heartedly, and has problems wrapping his head around the subversions.



* ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'', of course, although its viewpoint might be better described [[HumansAreBastards There Are No Good People]].
** One of the strip reprint books was titled ''I'm Not Anti-Business, I'm Anti-Idiot''.

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* ''Comicstrip/{{Dilbert}}'', of course, although its viewpoint might be better described [[HumansAreBastards There Are No Good People]].
**
People]]. One of the strip reprint books was titled ''I'm Not Anti-Business, I'm Anti-Idiot''.



** To be fair on the first score, he thought knowing about the future would enable him to prevent it (surely anarchy isn't good for business after all), which makes sense because the future had changed once already in the film.
*** Waitaminute, is this ''Time Chasers'' as in the ''[=MST3K=]'' film? Because if so ... well, that kind of explains any and every characterization fuckup fairly instantly...



** Even most of the [[BombThrowingAnarchists Marxist terrorist gang]] are greedy capitalists! One of the main executives gives a speech about how Communist nations are run the same as large American corporations.
19th Oct '15 6:17:04 AM Morgenthaler
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* J.K. Robertson in the movie ''TimeChasers'' was not at all deterred from proceeding on the Time Transport project, even after its inventor returned from a second visit to the future to reveal that the future had changed to one of anarchy as a result of the Time Transport being used as a weapon. In fact, he has the inventor and his love interest arrested, and later pursues them into the past, killing the love interest and murdering his own reluctant companion.

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* J.K. Robertson in the movie ''TimeChasers'' ''Film/TimeChasers'' was not at all deterred from proceeding on the Time Transport project, even after its inventor returned from a second visit to the future to reveal that the future had changed to one of anarchy as a result of the Time Transport being used as a weapon. In fact, he has the inventor and his love interest arrested, and later pursues them into the past, killing the love interest and murdering his own reluctant companion.



* Without exception, every single person on the corporate side of UBS in ''{{Network}}'' is an amoral, money-grubbing monster. The film ends with [[spoiler:the main character being shot by a hitman hired by UBS, the voiceover stating that he was killed [[ScrewedByTheNetwork due to his show's failing ratings]]]].

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* Without exception, every single person on the corporate side of UBS in ''{{Network}}'' ''Film/{{Network}}'' is an amoral, money-grubbing monster. The film ends with [[spoiler:the main character being shot by a hitman hired by UBS, the voiceover stating that he was killed [[ScrewedByTheNetwork due to his show's failing ratings]]]].
18th Oct '15 10:08:11 AM nombretomado
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** Before the ComicBook/{{Crisis|on Infinite Earths}}, Morgan Edge was [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold arrogant and obnoxious, but certainly not evil]], and he could even show a surprisingly decent side from time to time (refusing to cross a union's picket line, for instance). An [[EvilTwin evil clone]] once tried to frame him as being a minion of {{ComicBook/Darkseid}}, but Edge was proven innocent. PostCrisis, the affiliation with Darkseid was declared ''real,'' and he is now really and truly evil.

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** Before the ComicBook/{{Crisis|on Infinite Earths}}, Morgan Edge was [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold arrogant and obnoxious, but certainly not evil]], and he could even show a surprisingly decent side from time to time (refusing to cross a union's picket line, for instance). An [[EvilTwin evil clone]] once tried to frame him as being a minion of {{ComicBook/Darkseid}}, but Edge was proven innocent. PostCrisis, ComicBook/PostCrisis, the affiliation with Darkseid was declared ''real,'' and he is now really and truly evil.
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