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24th Jul '16 8:32:57 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/MurderInTheFirst'': Erich Blunt goes on a rant along this line, claiming the murder of a few people doesn't matter as the world is overpopulated and they must "cull the herd".
24th Jul '16 10:45:32 AM nombretomado
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Note that CharlesDarwin himself would not be amused by all these people and the way they interpreted his works; he proposed nothing of the sort, and the idea predated him by centuries. (And while Darwin ''did'' believe that the Caucasian race had evolved further than other races, his racism was based not on arrogance or sociopathy; [[ScienceMarchesOn it was simply where the conclusions of his research led him]]. At the time his insistence that all humans were the same ''species'' was controversial.) You never see a social Darwinist treating societies in the same way a real Darwinist treats species: Darwinists are interested in maintaining biodiversity, and Darwinism is a ''description'' of the way species work, not a ''prescription'' for which species should live or die. See AppealToNature for the fallacy of using "nature" to prescribe any behavior (moral, immoral or not), and also see [[Analysis/TheSocialDarwinist the Analysis page for this trope]] for more information on that. This did not stop Social Darwinism from becoming a fairly mainstream philosophy from the Victorian era to WWII, when it became [[GodwinsLaw associated with the Nazis]]; this association contributed greatly to its loss of popularity. However, the emergence of [[CulturePolice culture war politics]] in the late 20th century appears to have won new adherents to the philosophy.

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Note that CharlesDarwin UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin himself would not be amused by all these people and the way they interpreted his works; he proposed nothing of the sort, and the idea predated him by centuries. (And while Darwin ''did'' believe that the Caucasian race had evolved further than other races, his racism was based not on arrogance or sociopathy; [[ScienceMarchesOn it was simply where the conclusions of his research led him]]. At the time his insistence that all humans were the same ''species'' was controversial.) You never see a social Darwinist treating societies in the same way a real Darwinist treats species: Darwinists are interested in maintaining biodiversity, and Darwinism is a ''description'' of the way species work, not a ''prescription'' for which species should live or die. See AppealToNature for the fallacy of using "nature" to prescribe any behavior (moral, immoral or not), and also see [[Analysis/TheSocialDarwinist the Analysis page for this trope]] for more information on that. This did not stop Social Darwinism from becoming a fairly mainstream philosophy from the Victorian era to WWII, when it became [[GodwinsLaw associated with the Nazis]]; this association contributed greatly to its loss of popularity. However, the emergence of [[CulturePolice culture war politics]] in the late 20th century appears to have won new adherents to the philosophy.
12th Jul '16 1:29:06 PM Willbyr
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* In ''LightNovel/MadanNoOuToVanadis'', Duke Thenardier, one of the [[spoiler: main antagonists of the first five volumes]], is this due to his upbringing by his father. He killed all of his siblings to rise to power, and holds no sympathy for anyone he considers weak besides his son, which is why he decides [[spoiler: to raze Alsace to the ground in Volume 1]] and levies ridiculously high taxes on anyone he considers useless or weak.

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* In ''LightNovel/MadanNoOuToVanadis'', ''LightNovel/LordMarksmanAndVanadis'', Duke Thenardier, one of the [[spoiler: main antagonists of the first five volumes]], is this due to his upbringing by his father. He killed all of his siblings to rise to power, and holds no sympathy for anyone he considers weak besides his son, which is why he decides [[spoiler: to raze Alsace to the ground in Volume 1]] and levies ridiculously high taxes on anyone he considers useless or weak.
10th Jul '16 11:49:02 AM nombretomado
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* Apparently, BioWare is fond of this trope. According to [[spoiler:Javik]] from ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the Prothean civilization worked on this principle, calling it "The Cosmic Imperative", and it combines the natural and social forms. That is, they believed weaker species' societies would only get in the way of the strong and should be crushed. They were willing to uplift lesser races, but [[AbusivePrecursors only as long as they had something to offer as slaves to the Prothean Empire]]; the "worthless" races were destroyed. For the Prothean client races, it's suggested that much of their cultural identity was wiped out as far as the official record since said person notes that Prothean wasn't just the name of his species or empire but applied to any citizen, Prothean or non, within that empire. Thus if your species joined the Empire, you would stop being say... an earthling and instead be a Prothean.

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* Apparently, BioWare Creator/BioWare is fond of this trope. According to [[spoiler:Javik]] from ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the Prothean civilization worked on this principle, calling it "The Cosmic Imperative", and it combines the natural and social forms. That is, they believed weaker species' societies would only get in the way of the strong and should be crushed. They were willing to uplift lesser races, but [[AbusivePrecursors only as long as they had something to offer as slaves to the Prothean Empire]]; the "worthless" races were destroyed. For the Prothean client races, it's suggested that much of their cultural identity was wiped out as far as the official record since said person notes that Prothean wasn't just the name of his species or empire but applied to any citizen, Prothean or non, within that empire. Thus if your species joined the Empire, you would stop being say... an earthling and instead be a Prothean.
9th Jul '16 5:16:01 AM shonengirl
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** Many evil teams in the series have shades of this. In particular [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus of Team Galactic]] and his more... emotional counterpart [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Lysandre of Team Flare]]]], who outright seek to commit mass-genocide. [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids This isn't sugarcoated whatsoever.]] The former wanted to establish a utopia completely void of emotion, seeing it as a weakness that needed to be purged, by ''[[ApocalypseHow completely remaking it]]'', the latter, an insane NaziByAnyOtherName who basically wanted to nuke the entire region.

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** Many evil teams in the series have shades of this. In particular [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus of Team Galactic]] and his more... emotional counterpart [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Lysandre of Team Flare]]]], who outright seek to commit mass-genocide. [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids This isn't sugarcoated whatsoever.]] The former wanted to establish a utopia completely void of emotion, seeing it as a weakness that needed to be purged, by ''[[ApocalypseHow completely remaking it]]'', the latter, an insane NaziByAnyOtherName [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi by Any Other Name]] who basically wanted to nuke the entire region.
9th Jul '16 4:54:55 AM shonengirl
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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel Oh, and he's only around 11 or 12 years old]]. It's thought that he inspired Paul, mentioned in the anime folder above, in the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime several years later. [[spoiler:It's revealed in the remakes that there's a reason for this. He was abandoned by his father, [[BigBad Giovanni]], after the defeat of Team Rocket at the hands of [[TheHero Red]], when he was only around 8 or 9 years old. Seeing his father as weak and a coward, he vowed to become stronger at any cost.]] He gets better, however.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel Oh, and he's only around 11 or 12 years old]]. It's thought that he inspired Paul, mentioned in the anime folder above, in the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime anime]] several years later. [[spoiler:It's revealed in the remakes that there's a reason for this. He was abandoned by his father, [[BigBad Giovanni]], after the defeat of Team Rocket at the hands of [[TheHero Red]], when he was only around 8 or 9 years old. Seeing his father as weak and a coward, he vowed to become stronger at any cost.]] He gets better, however.
9th Jul '16 4:52:49 AM shonengirl
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* In ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'', Dr. Genus was, even as a child, disgusted by the weakness of man. His goal is to take over the world and replace the human race with his army of genetically engineered monsters. He gets really shocked when he discovers [[TheHero Saitama's]] incredible power came from training and not genetics or anything of the sort. [[spoiler:When his most powerful experiment is [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly destroyed after failing to do any real damage to Saitama]], he has a change of heart and decides to open a restaurant.]]

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* In ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'', Dr. Genus was, even as a child, chill day ud, disgusted by the weakness of man. His goal is to take over the world and replace the human race with his army of genetically engineered monsters. He gets really shocked when he discovers [[TheHero Saitama's]] incredible power came from training and not genetics or anything of the sort. [[spoiler:When his most powerful experiment is [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly destroyed after failing to do any real damage to Saitama]], he has a change of heart and decides to open a restaurant.]]



* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel Oh, and he's only around 11 or 12 years old]]. It's thought that he inspired Paul, mentioned in the anime folder above, in the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} animeseveral years later. It's revealed in the remakes that there's a reason for this. [[spoiler:He was abandoned by his father, [[BigBad Giovanni]], after the defeat of Team Rocket at the hands of [[TheHero Red]], when he was only around 8 or 9 years old. Seeing his father as weak and a coward, he vowed to become stronger at any cost.]] He gets better, however.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel Oh, and he's only around 11 or 12 years old]]. It's thought that he inspired Paul, mentioned in the anime folder above, in the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} animeseveral anime several years later. It's [[spoiler:It's revealed in the remakes that there's a reason for this. [[spoiler:He He was abandoned by his father, [[BigBad Giovanni]], after the defeat of Team Rocket at the hands of [[TheHero Red]], when he was only around 8 or 9 years old. Seeing his father as weak and a coward, he vowed to become stronger at any cost.]] He gets better, however.
9th Jul '16 4:49:06 AM shonengirl
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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel Oh, and he's only around 11 years old]]. He gets better, however. It's thought he inspired Paul, as mentioned in the anime folder, in the anime several years later.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel Oh, and he's only around 11 or 12 years old]]. He gets better, however. It's thought that he inspired Paul, as mentioned in the anime folder, folder above, in the anime several [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} animeseveral years later.later. It's revealed in the remakes that there's a reason for this. [[spoiler:He was abandoned by his father, [[BigBad Giovanni]], after the defeat of Team Rocket at the hands of [[TheHero Red]], when he was only around 8 or 9 years old. Seeing his father as weak and a coward, he vowed to become stronger at any cost.]] He gets better, however.
** Many evil teams in the series have shades of this. In particular [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus of Team Galactic]] and his more... emotional counterpart [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Lysandre of Team Flare]]]], who outright seek to commit mass-genocide. [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids This isn't sugarcoated whatsoever.]] The former wanted to establish a utopia completely void of emotion, seeing it as a weakness that needed to be purged, by ''[[ApocalypseHow completely remaking it]]'', the latter, an insane NaziByAnyOtherName who basically wanted to nuke the entire region.
9th Jul '16 2:59:20 AM shonengirl
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* Franchise/{{Pokèmon}} has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. [[KidsAreCruel And he's still around 11 years old]]. He gets better, however.

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* Franchise/{{Pokèmon}} ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. Especially when it comes to his own Pokèmon. [[KidsAreCruel And Oh, and he's still only around 11 years old]]. He gets better, however. It's thought he inspired Paul, as mentioned in the anime folder, in the anime several years later.
9th Jul '16 2:41:57 AM shonengirl
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* [[Franchise/{{Pokèmon}}] features a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. [[KidsAreCruel And he's still around 11 years old]]. He gets better, however.

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* [[Franchise/{{Pokèmon}}] features Franchise/{{Pokèmon}} has a G-rated version in [[TheRival Silver]], from ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''. He sees anything he considers "weak" as worthless, and is exceptionally abusive and ruthless towards Pokèmon and humans alike. [[KidsAreCruel And he's still around 11 years old]]. He gets better, however.
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