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27th Sep '16 3:20:06 PM AtticusOmundson
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* Esdeath in ''Manga/AkameGaKill''. It's only natural for the weak to perish, after all. To her, the feelings of the "weak" are utterly incomprehensible and absurd. Exactly how much was the result of her upbringing in the harsh winter north or inherent in her very nature is a matter of debate. In fact, the reason she’s in love with Tatsumi so much is because he constantly manages to find ways to avoid her killing him.

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* Esdeath in ''Manga/AkameGaKill''. It's only natural for the weak to perish, after all. To her, the feelings of the "weak" are utterly incomprehensible and absurd. Exactly how much was the result of her upbringing in the harsh winter north or inherent in her very nature is a matter of debate. In fact, the reason she’s she's in love with Tatsumi so much is because he constantly manages to find ways to avoid her killing him.
27th Sep '16 3:19:35 PM AtticusOmundson
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* Esdeath in ''Manga/AkameGaKill''. It's only natural for the weak to perish, after all. To her, the feelings of the "weak" are utterly incomprehensible and absurd. Exactly how much was the result of her upbringing in the harsh winter north or inherent in her very nature is a matter of debate.

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* Esdeath in ''Manga/AkameGaKill''. It's only natural for the weak to perish, after all. To her, the feelings of the "weak" are utterly incomprehensible and absurd. Exactly how much was the result of her upbringing in the harsh winter north or inherent in her very nature is a matter of debate. In fact, the reason she’s in love with Tatsumi so much is because he constantly manages to find ways to avoid her killing him.
27th Sep '16 3:19:04 PM AtticusOmundson
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6th Sep '16 1:32:15 AM RhymeBeat
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* Jasper from WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse believes in this life style. Though as evolution is not a part of Gem biology, she instead has an intense hatred for deformed Gems including [[spoiler: Amethyst]] to the point of attempting to shatter her, even after she proved she was no threat to Jasper. She is taken down with a combination of the "weaker characters team up" and the "disabled character shows them up" variant [[spoiler: by Steven and Amethyst fusing to form Smoky Quartz.]]
4th Sep '16 2:06:40 PM MadCat221
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* Averted with the TropeNamer: Darwin himself, later in his life, went at length explaining why this trope was wrong. First was that we do not know what traits that humanity needs to survive in the future, so purging any "undesirables" could and would weaken us as a species. Second was that HumansAreSpecial and even if you come from a long line of "undesirables" you can rise above it. Like if a person comes from a long line of uneducated people and then goes on to win the Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

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* Averted with the TropeNamer: Darwin himself, later in his life, went at length explaining why this trope was wrong. First was that we do not know what traits that humanity needs to survive in the future, future; what is an "unfit" trait today may not be so tomorrow, so purging any "undesirables" could and would weaken us as a species. Second was that HumansAreSpecial and even if you come from a long line of "undesirables" you can rise above it. Like if a person comes from a long line of uneducated people and then goes on to win the Nobel Prize for Chemistry.
28th Aug '16 6:31:03 PM foxley
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* Literature/TheSecretAgent: The Professor has views like this, wanting to crush those he consider is weak (even though he himself is not really strong in any way).

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* Literature/TheSecretAgent: ''Literature/TheSecretAgent'': The Professor has views like this, wanting to crush those he consider is weak (even though he himself is not really strong in any way).


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* In ''Literature/SilverFin'', Randolph Hellebore is obsessed with weeding what he sees as weakness, and uses his son as a test subject for his theories.
20th Aug '16 8:14:42 AM ZimFan89
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* In ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'', this trope is Baron Zemo's main characteristic. He believes that it is natural for the strong to rule the weak, and when accused by T'Challa of being ANaziByAnyOtherName, is [[EvenEvilHasStandards insulted]], as he views the Nazis as having been fools obsessed with cosmetics like race -- as he puts it, while they would have looked down on T'Challa just because he's black, Zemo sees him as [[WorthyOpponent an equal]] because of his skills.
** Lucius Malfoy also comes into this way of thinking later on, for the most part shedding his normal FantasticRacism. He still thinks wizards are naturally superior as a whole to {{Muggles}}, but because of their power, not their blood, and admits that there are plenty of the latter who can -- through gaining powers or [[BadassNormal natural skill]] -- come to exceed wizards.
14th Aug '16 9:17:23 PM Fireblood
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** Social Darwinism was of no avail against corruption. The image which we have today of Sparta is the idealized version of their great admirer Plato, not the realistic version of Thucydides, who described Sparta to be a thoroughly corrupt military dictatorship. The Persians described the Spartans as the most easily corruptible of all Greeks and their loyalty was easy to buy. Athenians were the most difficult to buy.
*** The other issue that was the undoing of Sparta is that their state would not exist without being held up by slave labor. With the men being soldiers and the women staying at home to bear children, the rest of the tasks all had to be done by slaves. If there were ever a slave revolt (and there were, quite often), the Spartans would have to drop everything to get the slaves back under control, then go to a nearby village to raid them in order to replace the slaves they inevitably killed. Without their slaves, Sparta collapsed rather quickly.

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** Social Darwinism was of no avail against corruption. The image which we have today of Sparta is the idealized version of their great admirer Plato, not the realistic version of Thucydides, who described Sparta to be as a thoroughly corrupt military dictatorship. The Persians described the Spartans as the most easily corruptible of all Greeks and their loyalty was easy to buy. Athenians were the most difficult to buy.
*** The other issue that was the undoing of Sparta is that their state would not exist without being held up by slave labor. With the men being soldiers and the women staying at home to bear children, the rest of the tasks all had to be done by slaves. If there were ever a slave revolt (and there were, was, quite often), the Spartans would have to drop everything to get the slaves back under control, then go to a raid nearby village to raid them in order villages to replace the slaves they inevitably killed. Without their slaves, Sparta collapsed rather quickly.



* As all of the above in this folder shows, this trope doesn't work in RealLife. It doesn't matter how much better, stronger, faster, or smarter you are; if you piss off everyone else to the point where they gang up on you, you're screwed.[[note]]Not to mention there's AlwaysABiggerFish[[/note]] Most evolutionary biologists are certain that the two traits that enabled humanity to conquer the planet are tool use and a greater ability to cooperate and coordinate than every other species.

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* As all of the above in this folder shows, this trope doesn't work in RealLife. It doesn't matter how much better, stronger, faster, or smarter you are; if you piss off everyone else to the point where they gang up on you, you're screwed.[[note]]Not to mention there's AlwaysABiggerFish[[/note]] AlwaysABiggerFish.[[/note]] Most evolutionary biologists are certain that the two traits that enabled humanity to conquer the planet are tool use and a greater ability to cooperate and coordinate than every other species.



* There are people out there who claim that the victims of things from bullying to rape deserve what they get. If they were strong enough to defend themselves, they wouldn't have been attacked. [[FridgeLogic (By this logic, all the children throughout the world should be dead.)]]

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* There are people out there who claim that the victims of things from bullying to rape deserve what they get. If they were strong enough to defend themselves, they wouldn't have been attacked. attacked [[FridgeLogic (By (by this logic, all the children throughout the world should be dead.)]] dead)]].
14th Aug '16 8:47:54 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'': Krall believes that struggle makes you strong, and loathes the Federation's idea it comes from unity, though his people seem [[{{Hypocrite}} pretty united themselves]].



** Deconstructed in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story discussed below; while [[DontExplainTheJoke explaining the joke to a listener who didn't get it]][[note]]If you don't get it, it's basically this: the second person doesn't have to outrun the lion, he/she just has to outrun the first person, so that the lion will hunt down and kill the first person instead[[/note]], the Doctor points out that while it's effective in a ruthless sort of way, it's effective one time only -- who's the surviving friend going to outrun when the next lion shows up?

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** Deconstructed in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story discussed below; while [[DontExplainTheJoke explaining the joke to a listener who didn't get it]][[note]]If you don't get it, it's basically this: the second person doesn't have to outrun the lion, he/she just has to outrun the first person, so that the lion will hunt down and kill the first person instead[[/note]], instead.[[/note]], the Doctor points out that while it's effective in a ruthless sort of way, it's effective one time only -- who's the surviving friend going to outrun when the next lion shows up?
13th Aug '16 3:08:46 PM zarpaulus
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* In Donald Kingsbury's ''Literature/CourtshipRite'', the entire population of the world of Geta are Racism Theorist fictional Social Darwinists; the native life of the planet is mostly not edible, and famines are historically common. Cannibalism is part of their way of life, in which people with less ''kalothi'' (worthiness to survive) go to feed those of higher ''kalothi'' in times of need. The end of the book reveals that in the far future they have become a different species.

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* In Donald Kingsbury's ''Literature/CourtshipRite'', the entire population of the world of Geta are Racism Theorist fictional Straw Meritocrat Social Darwinists; the native life of the planet is mostly not edible, and famines are historically common. Cannibalism is part of their way of life, in which people with less ''kalothi'' (worthiness to survive) go to feed those of higher ''kalothi'' in times of need. The end of the book reveals that in the far future they have become a different species.species.
** The idea of social darwinism is so ingrained in their culture that even one character who is a self-proclaimed "vegetarian" and openly advocates an end to the "sacrifices" believes in eugenics. She doesn't think carriers of genetic disorders should reproduce.


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* Subverted in Creator/GeorgeRRMartin's ''Literature/TufVoyaging'' with the planet S'uthlam. The dominant religion believes that man can someday evolve into God, but they emphasize random mutation over struggle as the driver of evolution, as such they encourage everyone to multiply as much as possible to increase the opportunities for mutation. By their third appearance they're planning to conquer the neighboring systems for more living space [[spoiler: so Tuf gives them a superfood that could satisfy their dietary needs, and carries a SterilityPlague. Though he estimates that between 0.3 and 0.7% of the population would be resistant, and natural selection would enable the population to recover eventually.]]
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