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26th May '16 9:55:02 PM Doug86
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* ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'': TheRival Kaito Kumon, AKA Armored Rider Baron, presents an unusual JerkWithAHeartOfGold spin on this trope. On the one hand, he sided with a group that's willing to let the AlienKudzu take over Earth because he feels it'll cull the weak. On the other hand, rather than advocating MightMakesRight, he believes that the weak have a duty to become strong enough to stand up on their own two feet so nobody can push them around anymore. He doesn't boast about his own strength, but believes that only those who seek out strength are worthy of respect; the strong who oppress the weak are the enemy, while the weak who do nothing about it are beneath notice. The {{Fansub}}bers at Æsir have noted that this makes Kaito's dialog ''very'' difficult to translate accurately.

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* ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'': TheRival Kaito Kumon, AKA Armored Rider Baron, presents an unusual JerkWithAHeartOfGold spin on this trope. On the one hand, he sided with a group that's willing to let the AlienKudzu take over Earth because he feels it'll cull the weak. On the other hand, rather than advocating MightMakesRight, he believes that the weak have a duty to become strong enough to stand up on their own two feet so nobody can push them around anymore. He doesn't boast about his own strength, but believes that only those who seek out strength are worthy of respect; the strong who oppress the weak are the enemy, while the weak who do nothing about it are beneath notice. The {{Fansub}}bers at Æsir [=Æ=]sir have noted that this makes Kaito's dialog ''very'' difficult to translate accurately.
25th May '16 5:41:49 AM LondonKdS
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* '''The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi By Any Other Name]]:''' The second type is a racist or [[FantasticRacism speciesist]] who believes that their race is a MasterRace or SuperiorSpecies, and by extension, the only one fit to live and [[SuperBreedingProgram reproduce]] in this world, and uses this belief as a justification for subjugating, enslaving or just plain [[AbsoluteXenophobe getting rid]] of those that they consider "inferior" (as the RealLife [[NaziGermany Nazis]] did). ScaryDogmaticAliens are very likely to have this mindset, as is any society [[ANaziByAnyOtherName modeled upon the Nazis]]. Occasionally also held by [[WhatMeasureIsANonSuper superheroes]].

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* '''The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi By Any Other Name]]:''' The second type is a racist or [[FantasticRacism speciesist]] who believes that their race is a MasterRace or SuperiorSpecies, and by extension, the only one fit to live and [[SuperBreedingProgram reproduce]] in this world, the world/galaxy/universe, and uses this belief as a justification for subjugating, enslaving or just plain [[AbsoluteXenophobe getting rid]] of those that they consider "inferior" (as the RealLife [[NaziGermany Nazis]] did). ScaryDogmaticAliens are very likely to have this mindset, as is any society [[ANaziByAnyOtherName modeled upon the Nazis]]. Occasionally also held by [[WhatMeasureIsANonSuper superheroes]].
8th May '16 4:36:24 PM Fireblood
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A final note: despite the similarity in spelling, this trope has nothing to do with Socialism. Part of the problem comes from conflating socialism with atheism (the two do not always go together), and then reasoning that someone who does not believe in God they thus take a crudely biological view of humanity, seeing them as animals with an instinct to dominate one another. But the fact is that the socialist's [[WeAreStrugglingTogether concern for and solidarity with all of humankind]] rules out - at least in theory - the prospect of him or her becoming so cynical, selfish and cruel.

Most Social Darwinists have naturally been of the opposite political persuasions, with the Soviet Union going so far as to condemn Darwinism in favor of a primitive [[LamarckWasRight Lamarckism]], due to the latter being more attuned with Marxist ideology (with disastrous consequences in agriculture). One must also not confuse Social Darwinism with eugenics. While many Social Darwinists did advocate eugenics (the Nazis most notoriously), it was also advocated by prominent progressives and socialists in the late 1800s/early 1900s, arguing that the "less fit" should be relieved of having children they couldn't care for and that would be a burden to society. This would be the opposite impulse-a [[CondescendingCompassion condescending, misguided compassion]].

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A final note: despite the similarity in spelling, this trope has nothing to do with Socialism. Part of the problem comes from conflating socialism with atheism (the two do not always go together), and then reasoning that someone who does not believe in God they will thus take a crudely biological view of humanity, seeing them as animals with an instinct to dominate one another. But the fact is that the socialist's [[WeAreStrugglingTogether concern for and solidarity with all of humankind]] rules out - at least in theory - the prospect of him or her becoming so cynical, selfish and cruel.

Most Social Darwinists have naturally been of the opposite political persuasions, with the Soviet Union going so far as to condemn Darwinism in favor of a primitive [[LamarckWasRight Lamarckism]], due to the latter being more attuned with Marxist ideology (with (this had disastrous consequences in agriculture). One must also not confuse Social Darwinism with eugenics. While many Social Darwinists did advocate eugenics (the Nazis most notoriously), it was also advocated by prominent progressives and socialists in the late 1800s/early 1900s, arguing that the "less fit" should be relieved of having children they couldn't care for and that would be a burden to society. This would be the opposite impulse-a [[CondescendingCompassion condescending, misguided compassion]].
6th May '16 1:42:36 AM PaulA
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* ''[[Literature/TheShipWho The Ship Who Searched]]'' has a minor character (Haakon-Fritz) who fits this. He actually belongs to an organization called the Neo-Darwinists. When the archaeological team he's on is attacked by a pack of what are alien wolves, his response is to bolt for the nearest building and lock the door, leaving the rest of the team out.
** In the same series, the villains of Creator/AnneMcCaffrey and Creator/SMStirling's ''The City That Fought'' are a race of social darwinists who, like the Fremen, have grown up in an extremely harsh environment.

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* ''[[Literature/TheShipWho The ''Literature/TheShipWho'' series:
** ''The
Ship Who Searched]]'' Searched'' has a minor character (Haakon-Fritz) who fits this. He actually belongs to an organization called the Neo-Darwinists. When the archaeological team he's on is attacked by a pack of what are alien wolves, his response is to bolt for the nearest building and lock the door, leaving the rest of the team out.
** In the same series, the The villains of Creator/AnneMcCaffrey and Creator/SMStirling's ''The City That Who Fought'' are a race of social darwinists who, like the Fremen, have grown up in an extremely harsh environment.
4th May '16 5:47:46 PM aye_amber
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* "The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing" by FrankZappa.

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* "The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing" by FrankZappa.Music/FrankZappa.
26th Apr '16 2:22:17 PM cwf123
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* In ''Film/TheMatrixReloaded'', the Architect despises humans at any cost, regardless of imperfection.
-->'''The Architect:''' Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion. Simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.
25th Apr '16 1:47:46 PM MadCat221
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** The Reapers' effectiveness against the Protheans compared to the next cycle that Humans were part of is the logical conclusion of such social Darwinism: the danger of homogeneity. Because the cycle that had Humans, Turians, Salarians, Asari, and countless other sentient starfaring species as neighbors in a galactic community instead of masters and clients like in the Prothean times allowed a heterogeneity of culture, science, philosophy, and strategy that emphatically ''proved'' to produce a far better and effective array of solutions to the Reaper menace.

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** The Reapers' effectiveness against the Protheans compared to the next cycle that Humans were part of is the logical conclusion of such social Darwinism: Darwinism (and is in-line with the true gist of Darwin's theory): the danger of homogeneity. Because the cycle that had Humans, Turians, Salarians, Asari, and countless other sentient starfaring species as neighbors in a galactic community instead of masters and clients like in the Prothean times allowed a heterogeneity of culture, science, philosophy, and strategy that emphatically ''proved'' to produce a far better and effective array of solutions to the Reaper menace. A strong species or civilization doesn't have an optimization of traits, but a diversity; so when a change happens, the largest array of potential adaptations to that change are available to ensure the species/civilization survives in some form.
19th Apr '16 10:48:02 PM zoda
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* [[TheEmpire Brian and especially Angelo]] from ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure'' enforce this way of thinking. None of their soldiers are allowed to grow [[RPGMechanicsVerse above the 16th level]] without their permission and are secretly destroyed if they do so.
19th Apr '16 3:34:56 AM FoxBluereaver
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** A more extreme example is Jiemma, the Guildmaster of Sabertooth, who is willing to publicitly humilliate and kick out of his guild any member who so much loses one battle. [[spoiler: He even did this to his own daughter, Minerva, who is not the least bit sad when [[LaserGuidedKarma he ends up being kicked out of the guild after apparently killing Sting's companion Lector, and only got impaled through the chest for his trouble (although he survives).]] ]]
18th Apr '16 8:37:05 PM KingLyger
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