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17th Jun '17 2:11:47 PM nombretomado
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* This is the reasoning the Nazi party used in their propaganda to justify the sterilization of 400,000 German citizens in the period 1933-45 and the extermination of Germany's 70,000 remaining mentally ill and disabled in the period 1939-45. Interestingly, the sterilizations were not carried out by government personnel or under orders, but by regular doctors with government encouragement and approval. In fact, the Nazis had a slogan, ''Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz'': "The common good goes before individual good." See [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust]] and the article on [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4 Aktion T4]] on the OtherWiki for more on this.

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* This is the reasoning the Nazi party used in their propaganda to justify the sterilization of 400,000 German citizens in the period 1933-45 and the extermination of Germany's 70,000 remaining mentally ill and disabled in the period 1939-45. Interestingly, the sterilizations were not carried out by government personnel or under orders, but by regular doctors with government encouragement and approval. In fact, the Nazis had a slogan, ''Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz'': "The common good goes before individual good." See [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust]] and the article on [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4 Aktion T4]] on the OtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki for more on this.
16th Jun '17 3:13:14 PM atypicaloracle
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* A major theme of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''; it shows up in the Redcliffe and Circle quests, the whole concept of the Grey Wardens, and [[spoiler: the endgame]]. The Qun (not so much a race as a "religion" / philosophical movement) is also built on this, to the point where its adherents give up personal names and refer to each other by [[HisNameReallyIsBarkeep their role in society.]] They view their society as a single creature that they must all work to strengthen and protect.

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* A major theme of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''; it shows up in the Redcliffe and Circle quests, the whole concept of the Grey Wardens, and [[spoiler: the endgame]]. The Qun Qunari (not so much a race as a "religion" / philosophical movement) is also built on this, to the point where its adherents give up personal names and refer to each other by [[HisNameReallyIsBarkeep their role in society.]] They view their society as a single creature that they must all work to strengthen and protect. Dissent is not tolerated under the Qun; those who question their role in society are tortured or killed. Those who escape are regarded as psychopathic monsters who have damned their own souls.
13th Jun '17 4:18:13 PM Linda58
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** In "My Name is Oliver Queen", Felicity tries to get Roy to abandon his work on [[spoiler:an inoculant to the Alpha and Omega virus]] to save Oliver. Roy quite rightly refuses, pointing out that thousands will die if he stops. She insists ''again'' that he save Oliver instead, only for him to refuse again. [[spoiler:He then realizes that [[TakeAThirdOption he can work on the inoculant, and she can use his ATOM suit to save Oliver.]]

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** In "My Name is Oliver Queen", Felicity tries to get Roy to abandon his work on [[spoiler:an inoculant to the Alpha and Omega virus]] to save Oliver. Roy quite rightly refuses, pointing out that thousands will die if he stops. She insists ''again'' that he save Oliver instead, only for him to refuse again. [[spoiler:He then realizes that [[TakeAThirdOption he can work on the inoculant, and she can use his ATOM suit to save Oliver.]]]]]]
13th Jun '17 4:17:47 PM Linda58
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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}: In "Streets of Fire" Oliver is briefly torn between escorting Laurel to safety or [[spoiler:getting the cure to the Mirakuru serum]], which he will need to stop Slade. To make matters worse, the two goals are in opposite directions. She makes the choice for him:

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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}: ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': In "Streets of Fire" Oliver is briefly torn between escorting Laurel to safety or [[spoiler:getting the cure to the Mirakuru serum]], which he will need to stop Slade. To make matters worse, the two goals are in opposite directions. She makes the choice for him:



** In ''My Name is Oliver Queen", Felicity tries to get Roy to abandon his work on [[spoiler:an inoculant to the Alpha and Omega virus]] to save Oliver. Roy quite rightly refuses, pointing out that thousands will die if he stops. She insists ''again'' that he save Oliver instead, only for him to refuse again. [[spoiler:He then realizes that [[TakeAThirdOption he can work on the inoculant, and she can use his ATOM suit to save Oliver.]]

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** In ''My "My Name is Oliver Queen", Felicity tries to get Roy to abandon his work on [[spoiler:an inoculant to the Alpha and Omega virus]] to save Oliver. Roy quite rightly refuses, pointing out that thousands will die if he stops. She insists ''again'' that he save Oliver instead, only for him to refuse again. [[spoiler:He then realizes that [[TakeAThirdOption he can work on the inoculant, and she can use his ATOM suit to save Oliver.]]
13th Jun '17 4:17:14 PM Linda58
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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}: In "Streets of Fire" Oliver is briefly torn between escorting Laurel to safety or [[spoiler:getting the cure to the Mirakuru serum]], which he will need to stop Slade. To make matters worse, the two goals are in opposite directions. She makes the choice for him:
-->'''Laurel:''' I don't need you right now. Everyone else does. So go. Go save the city.
** In ''My Name is Oliver Queen", Felicity tries to get Roy to abandon his work on [[spoiler:an inoculant to the Alpha and Omega virus]] to save Oliver. Roy quite rightly refuses, pointing out that thousands will die if he stops. She insists ''again'' that he save Oliver instead, only for him to refuse again. [[spoiler:He then realizes that [[TakeAThirdOption he can work on the inoculant, and she can use his ATOM suit to save Oliver.]]
5th Jun '17 10:52:48 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''VideoGame/SpiderManEdgeOfTime'': This is the primary source of conflict between Spider-Man 2099 and the present day Spider-Man. Miguel is only concerned with the grand scheme of things and stopping [[BigBad Walker Sloan]] from ruining the future, while Peter is [[ChronicHeroSyndrome obsessed with the human cost of his actions]] and refuses to abandon innocent people no matter what. At one point, the two end up in each other's time periods, and when Peter finds out that [[LoveInterest Mary Jane]] is destined to die that night, Miguel initially refuses to save her, stating he's got "enough to deal with," and only goes along with it when Peter outright begs him to do so. Even so, it doesn't stop him from snarking about it.
-->'''O'Hara''': Hope the universe doesn't end while I'm trying to save one person.
21st May '17 11:52:46 AM jamespolk
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* ''Film/ANewHope'': Princess Leia plays this game with Grand Moff Tarkin, when faced with the Death Star destroying Alderaan, naming the planet Dantooine as the site of the hidden rebel base, knowing full well Tarkin would order the planet destroyed. The Star Wars Expanded Universe later confirms that Dantooine is an inhabited world, meaning Leia is willing to trade the inhabitants of that planet with the (presumably greater in number) residents of her homeworld. The effort turns out to be moff, er, moot.

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* ''Film/ANewHope'': Princess Leia plays this game with Grand Moff Tarkin, when faced with the Death Star destroying Alderaan, naming the planet Dantooine as the site ''Film/WildRiver'': Not spelled out in dialogue but an obvious theme of the hidden rebel base, knowing full well Tarkin would order film. The Tennessee Valley Authority will be a boon to the planet destroyed. The Star Wars Expanded Universe later confirms that Dantooine is an inhabited world, meaning Leia is willing to trade whole region, creating jobs, bringing electricity (one of the inhabitants of that planet farmhands gapes with delight at the (presumably greater electric light in number) residents his cottage), and saving lives and property by ending the uncontrolled flooding of her homeworld. The effort turns out the river. But for this to be moff, er, moot.happen, people like Ella Garth have to give up their river land, to allow for the construction of dams.
18th May '17 4:13:12 PM MAI742
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* This is the reasoning the Nazi party used in their propaganda to justify the sterilization of 400,000 German citizens and extermination of Germany's 80,000 mentally ill and disabled in the period 1933-45. Interestingly, the sterilizations were not carried out by government personnel or under orders, but by regular doctors with government encouragement and approval. In fact, the Nazis had a slogan, ''Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz'': "The common good goes before individual good." See [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust]] and the article on [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4 Aktion T4]] on the OtherWiki for more on this.

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* This is the reasoning the Nazi party used in their propaganda to justify the sterilization of 400,000 German citizens in the period 1933-45 and the extermination of Germany's 80,000 70,000 remaining mentally ill and disabled in the period 1933-45.1939-45. Interestingly, the sterilizations were not carried out by government personnel or under orders, but by regular doctors with government encouragement and approval. In fact, the Nazis had a slogan, ''Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz'': "The common good goes before individual good." See [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust]] and the article on [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4 Aktion T4]] on the OtherWiki for more on this.
17th May '17 8:46:31 AM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheMachineriesOfEmpire'', Cheris has to sacrifice hundreds of her soldiers in a blatantly suicidal plan (one that involves them killing themselves, no less) for the sake of saving the Hexarchate. Understandably, she doesn't take it well.
16th May '17 2:16:09 PM Prometheus117
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* This was the logic behind creating the [[SuperSoldier SPARTAN-II program]] in ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''. Faced with a galaxy-wide civil war that threatened to completely destabilize the UNSC and fighting terrorists who were willing to [[NukeEm use nukes in populated areas]] to achieve their goals, which would result in millions, if not ''billions'' dead, ONI authorized Dr. Catherine Halsey to create a fighting force that could stop them. Said process involved taking kidnapping 75 children around 6 to 7 years old, subjecting them to TrainingFromHell, giving them physical augmentations that ''killed'' or crippled at least half of them, and committing them to a lifetime of battle. Noticeably, while the survivors were a resounding success against the Insurrection and would become humanity's best hope against the [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Covenant]], Halsey always carried a great deal of guilt about the process and resolved to do right by them as best as she could. As she told Cortana herself [[Literature/HaloFirstStrike once]]:
-->"I'm tired of sacrificing others for the 'greater good.' It never stops, Cortana...and we're running out of people to sacrifice."
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