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22nd May '18 4:01:56 AM Grudgeal
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* In ''Manga/VinlandSaga'', [[spoiler:Canute]] uses this trope as defense for his actions. By appropriating land by force, he gains wealth. Through wealth, he can attract vikings. By attracting vikings, he can select who they fight, or encourage them to settle his lands in peace. By directing and settling vikings, he saves the rest of the world from their predations.
6th May '18 12:38:14 AM C2
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** Explicitly averted in the ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' when Kirk [[spoiler: tells Spock that the needs of the one outweighed the needs of the many (in this case, the Enterprise crew.]]

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** Explicitly averted in the ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' when Kirk [[spoiler: tells Spock that the needs of the one outweighed the needs of the many (in this case, the Enterprise crew.crew).]]
9th Apr '18 7:48:48 PM Fireblood
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* The Trolley Problem is a though experiment which forces the subject to choose [[SadisticChoice between actively sacrificing one for the many or allowing the many to die through inaction]]. The thought experiment involves a scenario where a runaway train is barreling down a track towards a group of five people who are immobilized, and a fork between the train and the group leads to another track on which is one immobilized person. The subject has to decide whether to toggle the switch that will move the train onto the other track, and kill the person on it. The thought experiment is used in psychological studies to gauge the degree of utilitarian thinking in the test subject and how various variables such as age, sex, and degree of fatigue affects it.

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* The Trolley Problem is a though thought experiment which forces the subject to choose [[SadisticChoice between actively sacrificing one for the many or allowing the many to die through inaction]]. The thought experiment involves a scenario where a runaway train is barreling down a track towards a group of five people who are immobilized, and a fork between the train and the group leads to another track on which is one immobilized person. The subject has to decide whether to toggle the switch that will move the train onto the other track, and kill the person on it. The thought experiment is used in psychological studies to gauge the degree of utilitarian thinking in the test subject and how various variables such as age, sex, and degree of fatigue affects it.
7th Apr '18 2:30:03 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': When asked where his allegiances lie, Varys says he serves the ''realm'', not the ruler. This is his justification for going along with the plan to assassinate Daenerys, for trying to prevent Littlefinger from gaining even more power, and most likely his reason for selling out Tyrion despite obviously having no desire to do so.
27th Mar '18 1:09:01 PM fighwitt
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* In ''Fanfic/HellsisterTrilogy'', ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} and fellow [[ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} Legionnaire]] Dev-Em argue because of her unwillingness to let one little girl die to protect their cover during a mission. Dev points out leaders often have to sacrifice a few lives to save a greater number of people.
-->'''Kara Zor-El:''' (shaking her head) Oh, Dev. I thought I knew you better than that. I thought you knew me better than that. If we don't step in to save people from the evil we're fighting, than what in Sheol are we fighting it for?\\
'''Dev-Em:''' Kara, you ever have a chance to read military theory and / or history? In case you don't know, commanders have to make decisions that will endanger some innocents, perhaps even kill them--\\
'''Kara:''' Not me. Not ever.\\
'''Dev:''' --Perhaps even kill them, to save the greater number and achieve the greater objective. You have to hold to the greater objective. You simply have to. There is no escaping that fact.
25th Mar '18 3:41:19 PM Chabal2
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** Tau: Their main philosophy, the so-called "Greater Good", is essentially this. All Tau are expected to act in benefit to as many of their kind as possible, and screwing over others to benefit yourself is seen as one of the greatest sins you could commit. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality While personal ambition is a sin, ambition on a galaxy-wide scale is considered a virtue.]]

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** Tau: Their main philosophy, the so-called "Greater Good", is essentially this. All Tau are expected to act in benefit to as many of their kind as possible, and screwing over others to benefit yourself is seen as one of the greatest sins you could commit. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality While personal ambition is a sin, ambition on a galaxy-wide scale is considered a virtue.]]]] Curiously, the idea of sacrificing yourself to benefit others isn't seen as a virtue either- a commander who lets the situation degrade into a last stand clearly wasn't very competent to begin with.
6th Mar '18 12:30:02 PM StFan
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* ''{{Fanfic/Troller}}'': The human inspired form of Reproduction that the Cybertronians are seen to be adopting produces young which are unable to transform (Sorry, ''Transmute''). It will eventually breed out their transforming abilities, but it is the only way the Species can survive.
* ''{{Fanfic/Passionate Pragmatism}}'': Erwin and Hange feel that making sacrifices is sometimes [[IDidWhatIHadToDo necessary]] in order to [[ForHappiness maximizing happiness]].

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* ''{{Fanfic/Troller}}'': ''Webcomic/{{Troller}}'': The human inspired form of Reproduction that the Cybertronians are seen to be adopting produces young which are unable to transform (Sorry, ''Transmute''). It will eventually breed out their transforming abilities, but it is the only way the Species can survive.
* ''{{Fanfic/Passionate Pragmatism}}'': ''Fanfic/PassionatePragmatism'': Erwin and Hange feel that making sacrifices is sometimes [[IDidWhatIHadToDo necessary]] in order to [[ForHappiness maximizing happiness]].



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* ''Film/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' - as the damaged Nautilus is sinking to the bottom of the ocean, Captain Nemo must make a decision.
-->'''Ishmael''': Aft bulkhead open. Pump valves jammed!
-->'''Nemo''': Seal it off!
-->'''Ishmael''': There are men in there!
-->'''Nemo''': For the greater good, we must seal it!

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* ''Film/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' - as ''Film/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'': As the damaged Nautilus is sinking to the bottom of the ocean, Captain Nemo must make a decision.
-->'''Ishmael''': -->'''Ishmael:''' Aft bulkhead open. Pump valves jammed!
-->'''Nemo''':
jammed!\\
'''Nemo:'''
Seal it off!
-->'''Ishmael''':
off!\\
'''Ishmael:'''
There are men in there!
-->'''Nemo''':
there!\\
'''Nemo:'''
For the greater good, we must seal it!



-->'''Steve:''' People are gonna die, Buck. I can't let that happen. ''Please'' don't make me do this.

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-->'''Steve:''' --->'''Steve:''' People are gonna die, Buck. I can't let that happen. ''Please'' don't make me do this.



--> '''Sasha''': Why should she do it?
--> '''Other Russian''': Her life for many others.
--> '''Sasha''': Is it all right to barter with lives like that?

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--> '''Sasha''': -->'''Sasha:''' Why should she do it?
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it?\\
'''Other Russian''': Russian:''' Her life for many others.
--> '''Sasha''':
others.\\
'''Sasha:'''
Is it all right to barter with lives like that?



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-->'''Gunn''': Those men you sent to [[WeNeedADistraction create a diversion]] are going to get killed.
-->'''Wesley''': Yes, they are. ''({{beat}})'' You try not to get anybody killed, you wind up getting everybody killed.

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-->'''Gunn''': -->'''Gunn:''' Those men you sent to [[WeNeedADistraction create a diversion]] are going to get killed.
-->'''Wesley''':
killed.\\
'''Wesley:'''
Yes, they are. ''({{beat}})'' ''[{{beat}}]'' You try not to get anybody killed, you wind up getting everybody killed.



-->'''The Head:''' This is a tough one, Palindrome. But as you know, one of the responsibilities of those in charge is to order the sacrifice of the few, for the sake of the many.
-->'''Palindrome:''' Yes, sir.
-->'''The Head:''' Particularly when those in charge, are among the many.

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-->'''The Head:''' This is a tough one, Palindrome. But as you know, one of the responsibilities of those in charge is to order the sacrifice of the few, for the sake of the many.
-->'''Palindrome:'''
many.\\
'''Palindrome:'''
Yes, sir.
-->'''The
sir.\\
'''The
Head:''' Particularly when those in charge, are among the many.



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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': This trope is played straight by various factions...

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': This trope is played straight by various factions...



-->'''O'Hara''': Hope the universe doesn't end while I'm trying to save one person.

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-->'''O'Hara''': -->'''O'Hara:''' Hope the universe doesn't end while I'm trying to save one person.
person.



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15th Feb '18 8:18:55 PM jamespolk
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* ''Film/{{Kapo}}'': A group of prisoners are plotting to break out of a Nazi slave labor camp, helped by Nicole, a "kapo" (prison trusty guard). The plan for the prison breakout has already been made and is about to go forward when the Russians plotting their escape find out that cutting the power to the electrified fence will set off an alarm siren. That means that whoever cuts the power is doomed to be caught by the guards and immediately shot to death--and that's Nicole's job. A horrified Sasha has a hurried debate with another Russian who insists that Nicole can't be told.
--> '''Sasha''': Why should she do it?
--> '''Other Russian''': Her life for many others.
--> '''Sasha''': Is it all right to barter with lives like that?
14th Feb '18 7:22:27 PM ChocChip
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* In ''Fanfic/PartingTheClouds'', an ongoing conundrum for Cassie is just how many innocent deaths are worth small advantages in the war, and where killing for military advantage turns into killing for mere convenience.
3rd Feb '18 10:22:17 PM DavidDelony
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* Utilitarian philosophers, most notably Jeremy Bentham and Peter Singer, have argued for animal rights on the grounds that sentient animals are capable of suffering and thus their needs must be taken into account.
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