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26th Mar '17 1:05:17 PM mrnickname
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A side effect of HollywoodHistory, these are time periods that rarely, if ever, appear in fiction. Maybe the writers/executives/etc. aren't aware of or familiar with them. Maybe they fear the ignorance of the viewers. Maybe [[MisplacedNationalism they actively dislike]] the people portrayed, [[AcceptableTargets and have personal reasons for ignoring or misrepresenting them.]] And Whatever the reason, mentioning these time periods will leave the audience confused over some details and [[GeniusBonus the history buffs cheering]].

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A side effect of HollywoodHistory, these are time periods that rarely, if ever, appear in fiction. Maybe the writers/executives/etc. aren't aware of or familiar with them. Maybe they fear the ignorance of the viewers. Maybe [[MisplacedNationalism they actively dislike]] the people not portrayed, [[AcceptableTargets and have personal reasons for ignoring or misrepresenting them.]] And Whatever the reason, mentioning these time periods will leave the audience confused over some details and [[GeniusBonus the history buffs cheering]].
26th Mar '17 1:03:58 PM mrnickname
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A side effect of HollywoodHistory, these are time periods that rarely, if ever, appear in fiction. Maybe the writers/executives/etc. aren't aware of or familiar with them. Maybe they fear the ignorance of the viewers. Maybe [[MisplacedNationalism they actively dislike]] the people portrayed, [[AcceptableTargets and have personal reasons for ignoring ir misrepresenting them.]] And Whatever the reason, mentioning these time periods will leave the audience confused over some details and [[GeniusBonus the history buffs cheering]].

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A side effect of HollywoodHistory, these are time periods that rarely, if ever, appear in fiction. Maybe the writers/executives/etc. aren't aware of or familiar with them. Maybe they fear the ignorance of the viewers. Maybe [[MisplacedNationalism they actively dislike]] the people portrayed, [[AcceptableTargets and have personal reasons for ignoring ir or misrepresenting them.]] And Whatever the reason, mentioning these time periods will leave the audience confused over some details and [[GeniusBonus the history buffs cheering]].
26th Mar '17 1:03:18 PM mrnickname
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A side effect of HollywoodHistory, these are time periods that rarely, if ever, appear in fiction. Maybe the writers/executives/etc. aren't aware of or familiar with them. Maybe they fear the ignorance of the viewers. Whatever the reason, mentioning these time periods will leave the audience confused over some details and [[GeniusBonus the history buffs cheering]].

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A side effect of HollywoodHistory, these are time periods that rarely, if ever, appear in fiction. Maybe the writers/executives/etc. aren't aware of or familiar with them. Maybe they fear the ignorance of the viewers. Maybe [[MisplacedNationalism they actively dislike]] the people portrayed, [[AcceptableTargets and have personal reasons for ignoring ir misrepresenting them.]] And Whatever the reason, mentioning these time periods will leave the audience confused over some details and [[GeniusBonus the history buffs cheering]].
23rd Mar '17 3:15:48 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* ''The Etruscans'', who served as TheRival to the early Roman Republic and, at sea, the cities of 'Magna Graecia'. Despite the vast cultural and technological influence they had on Rome, the trading and naval power that spread across the Mediterranean, the military power wielded in central and northern Italy up until the 3rd century BC, and their enduring reputation as being exceptionally pious and for producing the very best [[{{Seers}} diviners and haruspices]] which lasted well into the fourth century AD, they're almost entirely anonymous, even among historians, and if they're brought up at all, it's usually in reference to the mystery of their supposedly indecipherable language (which somehow contrives to be non-Indo-European) and as a result, their origins, despite the fact that their language can be read (not very well, admittedly, but it can be read).

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* ''The Etruscans'', '''The Etruscans''', who served as TheRival to the early Roman Republic and, at sea, the cities of 'Magna Graecia'. Despite the vast cultural and technological influence they had on Rome, the trading and naval power that spread across the Mediterranean, the military power wielded in central and northern Italy up until the 3rd century BC, and their enduring reputation as being exceptionally pious and for producing the very best [[{{Seers}} diviners and haruspices]] which lasted well into the fourth century AD, they're almost entirely anonymous, even among historians, and if they're brought up at all, it's usually in reference to the mystery of their supposedly indecipherable language (which somehow contrives to be non-Indo-European) and as a result, their origins, despite the fact that their language can be read (not very well, admittedly, but it can be read).
23rd Mar '17 3:15:26 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* ''The Etruscans'', who served as TheRival to the early Roman Republic and, at sea, the cities of 'Magna Graecia'. Despite the vast cultural and technological influence they had on Rome, the trading and naval power that spread across the Mediterranean, the military power wielded in central and northern Italy up until the 3rd century BC, and their enduring reputation as being exceptionally pious and for producing the very best [[{{Seers}} diviners and haruspices]] which lasted well into the fourth century AD, they're almost entirely anonymous, even among historians, and if they're brought up at all, it's usually in reference to the mystery of their supposedly indecipherable language (which somehow contrives to be non-Indo-European) and as a result, their origins, despite the fact that their language can be read (not very well, admittedly, but it can be read).



* The Christian Roman Empire (Not to be confused with the UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire -- Charlemagne ''et al''). In the last days of UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire, Christianity was on the rise. Fear of persecution, invasions from outsiders, and the quickly deteriorating interior was forcing the empire to give up more and more power to the religious figures and the land owners. In order to try and stabilize the empire, it was divided into two sections: East and West. The East would eventually become the Byzantine Empire, and would survive for a long while. The west would continue to break apart and enter into MedievalStasis for the next 500 years. In fiction, it's depicted either as if there was no difference at all to pre-Christian Rome, or teeming with {{Corrupt Church}}men who run the place as if it belonged to them.

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* The Christian Roman Empire (Not to be confused with the UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire -- Charlemagne ''et al''). In the last days of UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire, Christianity was on the rise. Fear of persecution, invasions from outsiders, and the quickly deteriorating interior was forcing the empire to give up more and more power to the religious figures and the land owners. In order to try and stabilize the empire, it was divided into two sections: East and West. The East would eventually become the Byzantine Empire, and would survive for a long while. another millennium. The west would continue to break apart and enter into MedievalStasis for spend the next 500 years.300 years fighting either the Byzantines or the Muslims, before steadily coalescing and re-coalescing into variations on the UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire. In fiction, it's depicted either as if there was no difference at all to pre-Christian Rome, or teeming with {{Corrupt Church}}men who run the place as if it belonged to them.



* The entire history of the '''Byzantine Empire'''. The turbulent and splendid reign of Justinian I is somewhat better represented than the rest of the empire's history.

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* The entire history of the '''Byzantine Empire'''. The turbulent and splendid reign of Justinian I is somewhat better represented than the rest of the empire's thousand year history.



*** Creator/HarryTurtledove has a [=PhD=] in Byzantine history, so several of his books feature this period while others, set in more modern times, occasionally {{lampshade|Hanging}} the fact that this area is considered extraordinarily obscure even among historians..

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*** Creator/HarryTurtledove has a [=PhD=] in Byzantine history, so several of his books feature this period while others, set in more modern times, occasionally {{lampshade|Hanging}} the fact that this area is considered extraordinarily obscure obscure, even among historians..historians, though this is changing (slowly).



* '''The Hundred Years War''' covered hundred years and featured such important events and sub-conflicts as the Avignon Papacy, the Black Death, the uprising of the Jacquerie, Etienne Marcel's time as Provost, the Armagnac-Burgundian war. People generally know about this period because of UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc who was ShortLivedBigImpact. On the other hand, neither Edward III or the Black Prince appear very often.

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* '''The Hundred Years War''' covered one hundred and sixteen years and featured such important events and sub-conflicts as the Avignon Papacy, the Black Death, the uprising of the Jacquerie, the Peasants Revolt, Etienne Marcel's time as Provost, the Armagnac-Burgundian war. People generally know about this period because of UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc who was ShortLivedBigImpact. On the other hand, neither Edward III or the Black Prince appear very often.



* '''The Northern Crusades'''. The Crusades were not only fought in the Middle East, but also Northeastern Europe, where Western European powers fought old Prussians, Russians, and Lithuanians, with enormous historic consequences (such as the creation of Prussia). Not to mention Germans and Danes fighting against the Pomeranian Slavic tribes and Finland becoming a naturalized part of Sweden. In France, there was Catharism, which led to the Albigensian Crusade. Nobody outside the region knows much about these though, although it is a frequent topic among Russian, Polish, and Lithuanian literature.
** Creator/SergeiEisenstein's ''Film/AlexanderNevsky''.

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* '''The Northern Crusades'''. The Crusades were not only fought in the Middle East, but also Northeastern Europe, where Western European powers fought old Prussians, Russians, and Lithuanians, with enormous historic consequences (such such as the creation of Prussia).the ''Ordenstaat'', the 'State of the Holy Order', by the Teutonic Order, which dominated politics along the Baltic coast for three hundred years and became the Duchy of Prussia when the last Grand Master went secular in 1525. The Duchy in turn later became the Kingdom of Prussia, even later the German Empire. Not to mention Germans and Danes fighting against the Pomeranian Slavic tribes and Finland becoming a naturalized part of Sweden. In France, there was Catharism, which led to the Albigensian Crusade. Nobody outside the region knows much about these though, although it is a frequent topic among Russian, Polish, and Lithuanian literature.
** Creator/SergeiEisenstein's ''Film/AlexanderNevsky''.''Film/AlexanderNevsky'', which depicts the famous 'Battle on the Ice' and is, as might be expected, more romantic than accurate.
18th Mar '17 9:06:55 PM CosmicFerret
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*** Creator/ShusakuEndo's HistoricalFiction, ''Film/{{Silence}}'' and ''The Samurai''. The latter novels depicts an actual diplomatic mission of converted JapaneseChristian Samurai who travel from Japan to Mexico to Spain and Rome, and all the way back, this during the time of the late Sengoku Jidai period.

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*** Creator/ShusakuEndo's HistoricalFiction, ''Film/{{Silence}}'' and ''The Samurai''. The latter novels depicts an actual diplomatic mission of converted JapaneseChristian UsefulNotes/JapaneseChristian Samurai who travel from Japan to Mexico to Spain and Rome, and all the way back, this during the time of the late Sengoku Jidai period.
12th Mar '17 3:47:34 AM Xtifr
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* UsefulNotes/TheRomanRepublic is presented as the GloryDays of UsefulNotes/TheGloryThatWasRome and unambigously invoked as GoodRepublicEvilEmpire. Yet we almost never ''see'' the Republic in its glory days, leave alone the Pyrrhic War and the UsefulNotes/PunicWars. Most fiction deals with the Twilight of the Republic, the Third Servile War (aka [[Podcast/TheHistoryOfRome Spartacus Rocks, starring Spartacus]]), the First and Second Triumvirate, the career of Creator/JuliusCaesar, Mark Antony, Creator/{{Cicero}}, Catilina, Brutus and Augustus. Missing are {{Cincinnatus}}, and Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, both of whom invent street politics, egalitarian reform, protest marches only to get killed by the aristocratic senate. The names Gracchus are invoked in many late republican-early empire stories, but you never see the real thing, since it directly touched on how thoroughly unequal and oppressive the old Republic really was,

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* UsefulNotes/TheRomanRepublic is presented as the GloryDays of UsefulNotes/TheGloryThatWasRome and unambigously invoked as GoodRepublicEvilEmpire. Yet we almost never ''see'' the Republic in its glory days, leave alone the Pyrrhic War and the UsefulNotes/PunicWars. Most fiction deals with the Twilight of the Republic, the Third Servile War (aka [[Podcast/TheHistoryOfRome Spartacus Rocks, starring Spartacus]]), the First and Second Triumvirate, the career of Creator/JuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, Mark Antony, Creator/{{Cicero}}, Catilina, Brutus and Augustus. Missing are {{Cincinnatus}}, and Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, both of whom invent street politics, egalitarian reform, protest marches only to get killed by the aristocratic senate. The names Gracchus are invoked in many late republican-early empire stories, but you never see the real thing, since it directly touched on how thoroughly unequal and oppressive the old Republic really was,
18th Jan '17 11:14:12 AM JulianLapostat
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*** Shusaku Endo's HistoricalFiction, ''Film/{{Silence}}'' and ''The Samurai''. The latter novels depicts an actual diplomatic mission of converted JapaneseChristian Samurai who travel from Japan to Mexico to Spain and Rome, and all the way back, this during the time of the late Sengoku Jidai period.

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*** Shusaku Endo's Creator/ShusakuEndo's HistoricalFiction, ''Film/{{Silence}}'' and ''The Samurai''. The latter novels depicts an actual diplomatic mission of converted JapaneseChristian Samurai who travel from Japan to Mexico to Spain and Rome, and all the way back, this during the time of the late Sengoku Jidai period.
18th Jan '17 11:08:08 AM Alas_Poor_Donny
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*** To add another layer of HollywoodHistory, even "hard" historical fictions usually present the invention of science itself (which did occur during this period and the later middle ages) as simply some advances in technology they feel were important. This is likely a result of most writers not actually knowing what science is, or how it is distinct from older methods of inquiry and invention, and part of the misconception that nothing was ever invented in the [[TheDungAges Dark Ages]].
23rd Nov '16 10:05:39 AM JulianLapostat
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*** Shusaku Endo's HistoricalFiction, ''Silence'' and ''The Samurai''. The latter novels depicts an actual diplomatic mission of converted JapaneseChristian Samurai who travel from Japan to Mexico to Spain and Rome, and all the way back, this during the time of the late Sengoku Jidai period.

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*** Shusaku Endo's HistoricalFiction, ''Silence'' ''Film/{{Silence}}'' and ''The Samurai''. The latter novels depicts an actual diplomatic mission of converted JapaneseChristian Samurai who travel from Japan to Mexico to Spain and Rome, and all the way back, this during the time of the late Sengoku Jidai period.
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