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06:38:07 PM Jul 18th 2014
Eastern front? Evil vs evil? Russians and nazis both evil? This contradicts Misplaced Nationalism.
07:01:21 PM Jan 27th 2016
Agreed. It's amended now.
02:46:31 AM Feb 18th 2014

This is self-contradictory. Either "those periods of history are not well-known outside of [Japan]", or "most of the Samurai movies that had big success in the West" were set there. They can't both be true.
07:43:10 AM Feb 18th 2014
Technically, they can be both true. A work being popular doesn't necessarily translate to the time period it's set in being well-known.
02:50:24 AM Dec 22nd 2012
Isn't all this in large part a matter of writing, or in this case, making films about what you know? Are there many films made in China about American or English history? Looking further back, the Bible and the Greek and Roman classics are part of our cultural heritage far more than religious or classical texts from other parts of the world, so naturally there are more Roman and biblical epics than Indian ones (plenty of these of course are made in Bollywood because these stories are part of India's heritage).

Fears of being called culturally insensitive or appropriating other people's stories may be another reason why filmmakers particularly today are reluctant to make movies based on unfamiliar cultures.
03:33:47 PM Jan 22nd 2013
What you say makes sense, but what is being things that Hollywood seems to ignore, as, you may have pointed out.

Hollywood may ignore a period of time if they don't think they could make money on it.

also, how do I get notified that there are messages here?
02:42:52 AM Feb 18th 2014
I don't think this page needs to be seen as a complaint. It's a list of interesting historical events that aren't well-known enough to have their own pages on TV Tropes, and a place to share info about works that are set during those events.
05:24:25 AM Nov 14th 2011
edited by moshimoshi44
Could I possibly add the Weimar Republic? I can only think of one Western work and that's Cabaret but my knowledge of works is pretty limited. I'm not sure if its existence is common knowledge or not (or if that matters when adding examples).

03:23:37 PM Jan 22nd 2013
yea, that seems fine to me
10:10:21 PM Mar 3rd 2011
I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but is there any sort of reason we have a couple paragraphs just talking about the Articles of Confederation?
11:35:59 AM Jun 21st 2010
edited by johnnye
The layout of this page is really confusing. What do "includes" and "examples" refer to? If it's "civilisations in this time period" I think that's covered elsewhere - if it's "civilisatons from this time period overlooked by Hollywood History" then entries like "Athens and Sparta" need to be removed unless there are specific aspects of those civs that get ignored. Plenty of fiction has acknowledged Athenian Greece.
05:46:38 PM Jun 22nd 2010
"includes" is suppose to be a brief overview of civilizations, themes, etc. that you would find in literature about and/or from that time period.

"examples" was "other examples", which are texts on time periods that aren't yet big enough for an isolated spot on the page, a folder, etc.

Still, if you have a better option, feel free to propose it.
11:21:17 AM Jun 23rd 2010
Most of them are alright, I think I was confused by the "Ancient Times" intro, which was just a list of ancient civilisations including Athens and Rome, which get plenty of play, and China and Babylonia, which don't. I've changed it along the lines of "Hollywood History acknowledges: A, B, C; it's never heard of: X, Y, Z"
10:10:31 PM Jun 23rd 2010
yea, something should be included to make them match the other time periods, or remove the sections from them altogether.

I do like your summery statement, though
07:34:59 AM May 14th 2010
edited by johnnye
Wiki Schizophrenia. If anyone who knows about the subject thinks the info is relevant, feel free. If there's genuine controversy about it, just present both sides.

  • The Alamo occurred during Texas' war for independence, the Mexican-American War started later, when Texas applied to the US for membership and was accepted. The Mexican government, correctly seeing this as the end of any chance of ever getting Texas back, violently objected. Mexico ended up losing even more territory to the US as a result, including California.
    • FYI: Un, no. When Texas joined the Union, the US agreed to a border on the Nuaces River instead of the Rio Grande. President Polk, however, wanted the border at the Rio Grande, as did the Texans, so he ordered the army to cross the Nuaces. When the Mexicans fought back, Polk told Congress that American territory had been attacked.
      • FYI: Uh, no. The U.S. never agreed to the border on the Nueces River. The Republic of Texas considered its border with Mexico to be the Rio Grande. Mexico recognized its border with the Republic of Texas to be on the Nueces. The United States never spoke on the issue until the annexation of Texas. The United Kingdom actually explicitly recognized the Nueces claim, and the Mexicans expected the Empire to back them up in the border dispute. However, the British were unwilling to take sides against a major trading partner, especially when they were trying for a peaceful solution with the United States concerning the ownership of Oregon Territory (now the U.S. states of Oregon and Washington, and the Canadian province of British Columbia).
05:33:42 PM Jun 22nd 2010
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